Artificial Intelligence and World War III

[Michelle]

I gotta agree. And I came to the same conclusion using scriptures.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/04/technol ... index.html

[Fiannan]

I gotta agree. And I came to the same conclusion using scriptures.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/04/technol ... index.html

Revelations makes perfect sense if you see everything from an advanced technology perspective.

[Michelle]

I gotta agree. And I came to the same conclusion using scriptures.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/04/technol ... index.html

Revelations makes perfect sense if you see everything from an advanced technology perspective.

Yes, it does!

[Michelle]

So, another thought.

I was watching a documentary recently that said that a man from Germany was concerned about the Nazi's creating an atomic bomb, so he contacted Einstein, who contacted the President and the USA started working on creating its own bomb, trying to beat the Germans.

Fast forward, German is out of the war, no bomb has been created. The same man goes back and tries to convince the president to stop working on the atomic bomb here. Of course, the President says no. The USA does finalize an atomic bomb and uses it twice. World War II is over. But the threat will never go away.

If the USA had not acted out of fear, if they had set aside the project once the threat of German building a bomb was gone, how would things have been different? It was, in fact, the USA that created what it feared.

Elon Musk has said more than once he fears, to some extent, AI. He is working on developing it responsibly, to protect us. Isn't he acting just like the USA in World War II? Creating what he fears, and then having to protect himself from it? What if he just refused? It might still get made sure (actually, I believe revelation confirms that) but he wouldn't have a hand in it. It might take longer. Christ said something along the lines that offenses must come, but wo unto the man by whom they come.

[Michelle]

Another thought.

Both Daniel and Revelation give information concerning the beast that make it seem like it will resemble a man to some extent. It will have eyes like a man, a mouth to speak, a heart like a man, it will stand on feet like a man, and make judgments.

We know the beast is created by Satan and cannot be destroyed by the Saints. The beast is destroyed when it confronts Christ and Christ destroys it.

Satan doesn't have a body. It is his followers that create the beast and cause others to worship it. The beast is essentially his chance to have something like a physical body to control. Even those who follow Satan retain their agency and can comply or refuse his commands. But if he "inspires" them to create this body and program it to act as he would, it is almost the same thing as him having a body.

Any thoughts? Crazy or possible?

[markharr]

Summed up perfectly here.

[Fiannan]

Great documentary but start at 23:50 and go to 28:10

Many scientists have, as a guiding principle, that if it can be done it must be done. Some scientists working of the a-bomb thought that when you set it off you would not be able to stop the chain reaction and it would ignite the entire atmosphere. They still went ahead.

[Michelle]

Great documentary but start at 23:50 and go to 28:10

Many scientists have, as a guiding principle, that if it can be done it must be done. Some scientists working of the a-bomb thought that when you set it off you would not be able to stop the chain reaction and it would ignite the entire atmosphere. They still went ahead.

Interesting documentary. So many problems to be addressed.

So, if we all upload our brains to the matrix, who is the custodian? Why do we trust them not to just shut off the computers? Are all the computers going to be housed in Faraday cages so we don't "die" from a solar flare or EMP? If no one ever dies, we certainly wouldn't want more people to be born. But really, if we are in the matrix, we aren't reproducing are we, just pretending to reproduce through virtual reality. So this can last like, what, one generation?

All those problems aside, I believe most of what they say about the tech being developed to be true, until we see the merging of the technology with the revelations given in Daniel and Revelation. Then it all falls apart pretty quickly, I estimate about 42 months.

Edit:
On that note, I think it is time for a tech break. (Man, I love unplugging.) I think right around 3 weeks should be about right-I don't want to miss General Conference.

[davedan]

Elon Musk is talking about the dangers of AI because his solution (the globalist solution) is to control AI by integrating it with the human mind via cybernetic implants. Our acceptance of Cybernetics/Transhumanism is what TPTB really want. Musk is just playing his part to propagandize this solution by getting us to fear AI. Musk started a company called Neuralink to better research cybernetics.

I do think AI needs to be controlled by "social referencing", but not by cybernetics because instead of controlling these implants, we will one day find our implants controlling us. Cybernetics will have backdoors and will likely be programmed to send us subliminal impulses.

[JohnnyL]

Another thought.

Both Daniel and Revelation give information concerning the beast that make it seem like it will resemble a man to some extent. It will have eyes like a man, a mouth to speak, a heart like a man, it will stand on feet like a man, and make judgments.

We know the beast is created by Satan and cannot be destroyed by the Saints. The beast is destroyed when it confronts Christ and Christ destroys it.

Satan doesn't have a body. It is his followers that create the beast and cause others to worship it. The beast is essentially his chance to have something like a physical body to control. Even those who follow Satan retain their agency and can comply or refuse his commands. But if he "inspires" them to create this body and program it to act as he would, it is almost the same thing as him having a body.

Any thoughts? Crazy or possible?

Possible. It's called a "golem." Myths/ legends are there. Creating "almost life".

[utez]

These guys freak me out...

https://transfigurism.org/

[Fiannan]

Battlestar Galactica anyone?
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[Michelle]

These guys freak me out...

https://transfigurism.org/

Wow.

I had no idea such a group existed. Or what I was getting myself into when I clicked that link.

What is the Mormon Transhumanist Association?

The Mormon Transhumanist Association is the world’s largest advocacy network for ethical use of technology and religion to expand human abilities, as outlined in the Transhumanist Declaration and the Mormon Transhumanist Affirmation. Although we are neither a religious organization nor affiliated with any religious organization, we support our members in their personal religious affiliations, Mormon or otherwise, and encourage them to adapt Transhumanism to their unique situations.

What is the relation between Mormonism and Transhumanism?

Increasingly, people are recognizing parallels and complements between Mormon and Transhumanist views. On one hand, Mormonism is a religion of the Judeo-Christian tradition that advocates immersive discipleship of Jesus Christ that leads to creative and compassionate works. On the other hand, Transhumanism is a mostly secular ideology that advocates ethical use of technology to expand human abilities. However, Mormonism and Transhumanism advocate remarkably similar views of human nature and potential: material beings organized according to natural laws, rapidly advancing knowledge and power, imminent fundamental changes to anatomy and environment, and eventual transcendence of present limitations.
Resources available through this site provide details about the relation between Mormon and Transhumanist views.

Talk about trusting in the arm of flesh, not to mention all the quotes on their website taken out of context by church leaders.

Now they freak me out too.

[markharr]

These guys freak me out...

https://transfigurism.org/

Wow.

I had no idea such a group existed. Or what I was getting myself into when I clicked that link.

What is the Mormon Transhumanist Association?

The Mormon Transhumanist Association is the world’s largest advocacy network for ethical use of technology and religion to expand human abilities, as outlined in the Transhumanist Declaration and the Mormon Transhumanist Affirmation. Although we are neither a religious organization nor affiliated with any religious organization, we support our members in their personal religious affiliations, Mormon or otherwise, and encourage them to adapt Transhumanism to their unique situations.

What is the relation between Mormonism and Transhumanism?

Increasingly, people are recognizing parallels and complements between Mormon and Transhumanist views. On one hand, Mormonism is a religion of the Judeo-Christian tradition that advocates immersive discipleship of Jesus Christ that leads to creative and compassionate works. On the other hand, Transhumanism is a mostly secular ideology that advocates ethical use of technology to expand human abilities. However, Mormonism and Transhumanism advocate remarkably similar views of human nature and potential: material beings organized according to natural laws, rapidly advancing knowledge and power, imminent fundamental changes to anatomy and environment, and eventual transcendence of present limitations.
Resources available through this site provide details about the relation between Mormon and Transhumanist views.

Talk about trusting in the arm of flesh, not to mention all the quotes on their website taken out of context by church leaders.

Now they freak me out too.

Why go through all the bother of having to obey commandments, pay tithing and be a righteous person when you can emulate god through technology?

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2 Timothy 3

[FTC]

Kinda like the technological singularity coming up in 2045?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictio ... y_Kurzweil

[BeNotDeceived]

I'm not worried about any of that stuff. The end times speak of the power of God (miracles) being present: ...

Technology cannot compete with miracles. A miracle-worker trumps everything else. ...

FrontRunner to Provo complete; test runs begin - The Salt Lake Tribune
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Jun 12, 2012 - ... big challenges, especially at the narrows of the Jordan River near Point of the Mountain. "We literally moved a mountain there," said Allegra, ...

Allegra says we moved a mountain.

[Michelle]

I'm not worried about any of that stuff. The end times speak of the power of God (miracles) being present:

And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles who had gone forth out of captivity did humble themselves before the Lord; and the power of the Lord was with them. And I beheld that their mother Gentiles were gathered together upon the waters, and upon the land also, to battle against them. And I beheld that the power of God was with them, and also that the wrath of God was upon all those that were gathered together against them to battle. And I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles that had gone out of captivity were delivered by the power of God out of the hands of all other nations. (1 Nephi 13:16-19)

Technology cannot compete with miracles. A miracle-worker trumps everything else. This is why the end time scenarios all have people fighting with swords. When all the guns and missiles and bombs refuse to fire and explode because the resident miracle-working seer has cursed them, then people go back to bows and arrows and stones and slings and swords, etc. After all, all those weapons of mass destruction do too much damage to the earth and property, and the Gentile desolated cities are to be given to the house of Israel, so it wouldn't do to have these things wiped out with such ordinance. So, back to swords we will go, given that they only kill people and leave the beautiful property of the wicked intact.

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord. (Isaiah 54:17)

I don't know. Many will be deceived by evil "miracles" in the last day.

Revelation 13:13-15

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

[markharr]

I read this and thought that it applies here.

Former Google Employee Engineering His Own A.I. Religion

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/09/2 ... -religion/

[Michelle]

I read this and thought that it applies here.

Former Google Employee Engineering His Own A.I. Religion

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/09/2 ... -religion/

I wouldn't have believed such a thing a few years ago, but in the recent past it became clear that technology will likely be a huge stumbling block for many saints and just people in general. (See the link in a previous post about the MORMON transhumanism group) I even think it may be the fourth kingdom, diverse from the other beasts with teeth like iron, that rules over all the nations of the earth. A beast that must be worshiped or you will be put to death. "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." That force men to take a mark that determines if you may buy or sell. That is wounded unto death (EMP?) but is healed by a second beast (AI 2.0?).

The second beast gives "life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak." "And there was given unto him a mouth" "and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it." "were eyes like the eyes of man"

I watched a documentary recently where one of the professors who works on implants, (calls himself a cyborg because he has an implant in his arm) made it clear that people who do not adopt this technology (specifically connecting one's cerebral cortex to the internet or a real "matrix") will be a subspecies of human and that he would have not desire to interact with them and worse.

Sorry if this is disjointed answer, lots of interruptions from my kiddos. lol

Revelation 13
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

Daniel 7

1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 ¶ I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

15 ¶ I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.

17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

[Fiannan]

Someday there will be three types of intelligent entities on earth:

1) Unaltered humans.

2) Cyborgs in one degree or another.

3) AI advanced robots.

Perfection will become an ideal. Humans will initially use biotech to make sure all offspring are free of defects and look ideal. Those children will mature and then become enhanced synthetically and as time goes on they will vary between partially mechanical functioning to perhaps having nothing but their brain remaining organic and residing in a synthetic body. Of course that brain willl be so connected to computers (or whatever they call them then) that they may as well be machines.

And naturally society will seek to thin the herd of those who are basically seen as useless eaters.

[Michelle]

Someday there will be three types of intelligent entities on earth:

1) Unaltered humans.

2) Cyborgs in one degree or another.

3) AI advanced robots.

Perfection will become an ideal. Humans will initially use biotech to make sure all offspring are free of defects and look ideal. Those children will mature and then become enhanced synthetically and as time goes on they will vary between partially mechanical functioning to perhaps having nothing but their brain remaining organic and residing in a synthetic body. Of course that brain willl be so connected to computers (or whatever they call them then) that they may as well be machines.

And naturally society will seek to thin the herd of those who are basically seen as useless eaters.

I agree that is the goal of the wicked. That is why I take courage at the designation of 42 months. It won't last forever. Then when the beast confronts Christ he will be destroyed.

[Michelle]

Someday there will be three types of intelligent entities on earth:

1) Unaltered humans.

2) Cyborgs in one degree or another.

3) AI advanced robots.

Perfection will become an ideal. Humans will initially use biotech to make sure all offspring are free of defects and look ideal. Those children will mature and then become enhanced synthetically and as time goes on they will vary between partially mechanical functioning to perhaps having nothing but their brain remaining organic and residing in a synthetic body. Of course that brain willl be so connected to computers (or whatever they call them then) that they may as well be machines.

And naturally society will seek to thin the herd of those who are basically seen as useless eaters.

Then and EMP will hit and everybody who is a cyborg or AI robot will be gone. Then unaltered humans inherit the earth! WAHOO!

LOL, I really couldn't help myself.

[markharr]

I watched a documentary recently where one of the professors who works on implants, (calls himself a cyborg because he has an implant in his arm) made it clear that people who do not adopt this technology (specifically connecting one's cerebral cortex to the internet or a real "matrix") will be a subspecies of human and that he would have not desire to interact with them and worse. [/color]

Sorry if this is disjointed answer, lots of interruptions from my kiddos. lol

I know the documentary you are speaking of. The professor is named Kevin Warwick. You can see him here. The subspecies comment happens at 6:21

[Fiannan]

Maybe robots and cyborgs will be made able to wishstand EMP bursts.

[markharr]

Someday there will be three types of intelligent entities on earth:

1) Unaltered humans.

2) Cyborgs in one degree or another.

3) AI advanced robots.

Perfection will become an ideal. Humans will initially use biotech to make sure all offspring are free of defects and look ideal. Those children will mature and then become enhanced synthetically and as time goes on they will vary between partially mechanical functioning to perhaps having nothing but their brain remaining organic and residing in a synthetic body. Of course that brain willl be so connected to computers (or whatever they call them then) that they may as well be machines.

And naturally society will seek to thin the herd of those who are basically seen as useless eaters.

Then and EMP will hit and everybody who is a cyborg or AI robot will be gone. Then unaltered humans inherit the earth! WAHOO!

LOL, I really couldn't help myself.

The interesting thing is that they wouldn't be gone. They would still be alive but would basically be the new subspecies as they wouldn't know how to communicate, think, or obtain knowledge that isn't downloaded into their brain. Their organic brain would have probably shrunk just like muscles that you lose when you don't use them.