The Second Coming Is Not Happening In Our Lifetime. . . But What COULD Happen

[Benjamin_LK]

In the days of Noah, people were celebrating shortly before the flood overtook them. Given how the situation is in today's world, the destruction and the tribulations could happen quickly at any time.

The wicked are celebrating their wickedness today :ymparty:

Hence why they aren't an accurate indicator of the situation.

[francisco.colaco]

The Second Coming will be in two or three decades. Unless people live productive lives, surviving under a siege and the subsequent famine, well over their eighties.

Or that we are discarding Bruce R. McConkie as an apostle, inspired by the Lord.

One or the other.

Question: how much can live and survive a fierce and sister siege someone born in the Salt Lake Valley between 1962 and 1968?

[Fiannan]

The third group are the Gentile converts of the times of types and shadows, who are routinely dumped into the tribe of Ephraim by the patriarchs, becoming spiritual (not literal) Israel.

If a patriarch says you are from the loins of Ephraim you are a genetic descendant of him. If a patriarch says you are adopted then you are grafted in.

[Cc07]

The scripture and quotes are all linked here.. viewtopic.php?t=19131#p225844

Thank you. This is the quote that mentions the "come home" bit:

Do you think there is calamity abroad now among the people? Not much. All we have yet heard and experienced is scarcely a preface to the sermon that is going to be preached. When the testimony of the Elders ceases to be given, and the Lord says to them, "Come home; I will now preach my own sermons to the nations of the earth," all you now know can scarcely be called a preface to the sermon that will be preached with fire and sword, tempests, earthquakes, hail, rain, thunders and lightnings, and fearful destruction. "What matters the destruction of a few railway cars? You will hear of magnificent cities, now idolized by the people, sinking in the earth, entombing the inhabitants. The sea will heave itself beyond its bounds, engulfing mighty cities. Famine will spread over the nations, and nation will rise up against nation, kingdom against kingdom, and states against states, in our own country and in foreign lands. (Brigham Young JD 8:123)

I knew I had read that before, but couldn't find it in the scriptures.

So you're willing to quote Prophets and Apostles when it suits you?! They are wrong on saying we will do temple work during the millennium but right on when discussing the meaning of missionaries being sent home? Makes sense!

[Cc07]

I'd pray and ask if these things are true in the name of Jesus Christ. As said in the epistle of James, God liberally gives knowledge to those who ask in faith.

I just posted a dozen official lds.org links from Joseph Smith to President Ballard, to official church manuals, they all say the Work of Salvation continues into and throughout the millennium till it's done. There are dozens more on the same topic saying the same thing but the ones I posted were the most common ones used in the church today.

Ok so I guess scriptures don't matter - just church manuals.

Since it was Joseph Smith who wrote his revelations from
The Lord and that is what the Doctrine and Covenants are but Joseph Smith also said temple work and missionary work would be performed during the millennium- you can't pick and choose what you believe.

[Spaced_Out]

Very simple " turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the children to the fathers"
Doctrine and Covenants 110:15 To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the children to the fathers, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse—

How is that done by family history not by an angle coming down and doing billions of baptisms and endowments in behalf of the dead - how would that turn the fathers to children and visa versa.

John 14:12-13; 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

What greater works than Jesus are to be done, it is the work for the dead, and who is to do it?? simple the members of the church.

I never said an angel will be coming down and doing the work. I said a man will be doing the work, all of it, while we all stand still and watch in amazement, just as Joseph Smith said:

Therefore, dearly beloved brethren, let us cheerfully do all things that lie in our power; and then may we stand still, with the utmost assurance, to see the salvation of God, and for his arm to be revealed. (D&C 123:17)

The members of the church perform these works, cheerfully doing all things that lie in our power, until Elias shows up. Then we stand still and watch Elias, who is the salvation of God, perform all the works from beginning to end.

That is not what the scripture says or indicated. There is no point in further discussion, it is a total disregard of all truth...

[Spaced_Out]

Once again you have skipped over the passage, to cherry pick what you are willing to address. The passage clearly says, "complete the salvation of man" and you refuse to address that point. Joseph Smith says in this revelation that "the Lord God" will "complete the salvation of man" "in the beginning of the seventh thousand years" and "before the time of his coming." Now, address this issue.

If you continue to state that the salvation of man will not be complete until after Jesus comes back and for many years into the Millennium, you are contradicting Joseph Smith's own words, his very revelation. Do you not believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God? Do you not believe D&C 77 is a revelation of God? Do you not believe verse 12 are the words of God? The canonized scriptures is official church doctrine. Do you not accept the official church doctrine of the LDS church? If you believe this verse, then why do you continue to claim that it means exactly the opposite of what it says? Such tactics is called wresting the scriptures.

That is what the scriptures says but again your interpretation of what is is saying is wrong. The scriptures say on his coming he will burn up the wicked and destroy the nations. No work done for those that will be destroyed at his coming!!

I did address the scripture it says that the preparations for the second coming and the earth being transformed into a terrestrial paradisaical state will have been completed, the work required for the salvation of man during the 6k years for the salvation of man will be completed it is incorrect to consider that all the work will be completed. There will still be much work to be done.

No one person will do the remaining work for billions of people who have died without any records - , it is not turning the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers. D&C 77 is not talking about work for the dead. The scriptures states God will complete the salvation of man, and judge all things. It is a judgement of destruction and placement of man, but that is not the final judgement

There are many other scriptures detailing about Elias and the work of the temples going on during the Millennium you cant take one scripture out of context and build a doctrine around it that contradicts all the teachings of the prophets,and general handbooks of the church.

The work is not finished - till after the final battle or Armageddon and the final judgement... It is a contradiction to say the work will be finished there are so many scriptures on the matter it will take up pages to list and discuss them all, likewise with the writing of the general authorities of the church. The answer is simple the scripture is only related to the work required for the the preparing of the way before the time of his coming

D&C 76:81 And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament.
82 These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus.
83 These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit.
84 These are they who are thrust down to hell.
85 These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work.

DEC77:12 ....trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—the preparing of the way before the time of his coming.

[Spaced_Out]

Agreed..
The scriptures are clear that there will be heathen nations on the earth at the start of the Millennium as well as every person who is able to live a terrestrial or celestial law. I have quoted some of the scriptures before, some more scriptures and teachings of a Prophet of God. All the gentiles will be destroyed is not true, and has no scriptural bases.

The heathen nations idea among latter-day saints (and this includes presidents of the church, unfortunately) that "there will be heathen nations on the earth at the start of the Millennium as well as every person who is able to live a terrestrial or celestial law" is simply wrong. There is no scriptural basis for this belief. The scriptures say the following:

And then shall the heathen nations be redeemed, and they that knew no law shall have part in the first resurrection; and it shall be tolerable for them. (D&C 45:54)

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The first Resurrection continues during the millennium that is why we talk about the morning of the first Resurrection. This is again a big straw man argument.

Extensive Temple Work during the Millennium, to link families together, and provide ordinances for those who lived upon the earth who did not have access to such ordinances during their lifetimes.

"Instead of a time to rest, the Millennium is to be a time for all to labor [But what kind of labor?] The Saints will be kept busy in the temples which shall be built in all parts of the land. In fact, so busy, will they be, that the temples will be occupied most of the time." (Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection).

Doctrine & Covenants 128:18 reveals that the earth will be cursed "unless there is a welding link of some kind...between the fathers and the children..." This scripture explains how generations will once more be welded together (united) through the temple work which "the children" (descendants) will perform for their ancestors. Since God himself set the requirement that "except a man be born of water [baptism] and of the spirit [gift of the Holy Ghost], he cannot enter the Kingdom of God," (John 3:5), then in order to be just and fair (one of the attributes of God), God must provide a way for ALL of his children to have the opportunity to receive or reject his ordinances, in order that all who desire may have an equal opportunity to enter his kingdom and receive of his blessings. God has provided this way for all in temple work for the "dead" (i.e., the spirits of those people who have departed this earthly mortal life, and whose spirits wait in paradise or spirit prison prior to their judgment and assignment to a kingdom).

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 268-269. While in conversation at Judge Adams' during the evening, I said, Christ and the resurrected Saints will reign over the earth during the thousand years. They will not probably dwell upon the earth, but will visit it when they please, or when it is necessary to govern it. There will be wicked men on the earth during the thousand years. The heathen nations who will not come up to worship will be visited with the judgments of God, and must eventually be destroyed from the earth.

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 268-269. Footnote. The Prophet's statement that there will be wicked men on the earth during the Millennium has caused considerable confusion in the minds of many who have read in the Scripture in many places that when Christ comes the earth shall be cleansed from its wickedness, and that the wicked shall not stand, but shall be consumed. See D&C 5:18-29; 29:8-10; 101:23-25; Isa 24:1-3; Mal 4:1. The evil-minded inhabitants, those "who love and make a lie" and are guilty of all manner of corruption, will be consumed and pass away when Christ comes. In using the term "wicked men" in this instruction at the home of Judge Adams, the Prophet did so in the same sense in which the Lord uses it in the 84th section of the Doctrine and Covenants, vs. 49-53. The Lord in this scripture speaks of those who have not received the Gospel as being under the bondage of sin, and hence "wicked." However, many of these people are honorable, clean living men, but they have not embraced the Gospel. The inhabitants of the terrestrial order will remain on the earth during the Millennium, and this class are without the Gospel ordinances. See D&C 76:73-76. [See also Doctrine and Covenants Commentary, pg. 149.]

D&C Commentary, pg. 160. Some who believe in a Millennium hold that Christianity will be gradually diffused until the entire race is Christianized, and that will be the Millennium. This is an error. The world will be redeemed through the mighty arm of Jehovah; through judgments and tribulation. The general conversion will take place during the Millennium.

D&C 63:49-54. (Cf. 2 Ne 30:10 - division.)

D&C 101:22-34.

[Lizzy60]

The third group are the Gentile converts of the times of types and shadows, who are routinely dumped into the tribe of Ephraim by the patriarchs, becoming spiritual (not literal) Israel.

If a patriarch says you are from the loins of Ephraim you are a genetic descendant of him. If a patriarch says you are adopted then you are grafted in.

I have heard that the early patriarchal blessings had patriarchs promising the person outlandish stuff, such as he would be translated, and then the faithful latter-day saint lived out his life...and then died. So, does this mean that all these dead people, who died, didn't actually die, because their patriarchs said they wouldn't die, but would instead be translated? (I'm just curious about how this doctrine of "whatever the patriarch says, is the absolute truth" works.)

From my personal experience....when my son received his PB, he was told he was from a very obscure tribe. I could not figure this out. Then later some other parents talked about the weird tribes their sons had been assigned (like Dan and Gad) and many received new blessings from a new patriarch.

This was told to me personally by the wife of the patriarch of a neighboring stake. We worked in the temple together and met for lunch, etc. After her husband was made patriarch, a group of parents came to him with their kids' blessings, and they were all identical, word-for-word. Of course, they wanted new blessings given, as they were not confident that the blessings were individually inspired.

Bishops molest kids, stake presidents solicit underage girls for sex, and not all patriarch's give inspired blessings. And yes, GA's sometimes teach false doctrine. We are all, every one of us, dealing with our fallen nature.

[Spaced_Out]

The third group are the Gentile converts of the times of types and shadows, who are routinely dumped into the tribe of Ephraim by the patriarchs, becoming spiritual (not literal) Israel.

If a patriarch says you are from the loins of Ephraim you are a genetic descendant of him. If a patriarch says you are adopted then you are grafted in.

I have heard that the early patriarchal blessings had patriarchs promising the person outlandish stuff, such as he would be translated, and then the faithful latter-day saint lived out his life...and then died. So, does this mean that all these dead people, who died, didn't actually die, because their patriarchs said they wouldn't die, but would instead be translated? (I'm just curious about how this doctrine of "whatever the patriarch says, is the absolute truth" works.)

From my personal experience....when my son received his PB, he was told he was from a very obscure tribe. I could not figure this out. Then later some other parents talked about the weird tribes their sons had been assigned (like Dan and Gad) and many received new blessings from a new patriarch.

This was told to me personally by the wife of the patriarch of a neighboring stake. We worked in the temple together and met for lunch, etc. After her husband was made patriarch, a group of parents came to him with their kids' blessings, and they were all identical, word-for-word. Of course, they wanted new blessings given, as they were not confident that the blessings were individually inspired.

Bishops molest kids, stake presidents solicit underage girls for sex, and not all patriarch's give inspired blessings. And yes, GA's sometimes teach false doctrine. We are all, every one of us, dealing with our fallen nature.

My understanding is the post refers to the Patriarchs of the 12 tribes or Abraham Issac and Jacob etc.. not what we call today... I don't even know how you make a link from the post to PB..

[EdGoble]

Based on what I have learned, I make the above statement as my personal opinion and will offer my reasons for why this is the case. In the human perspective, I believe we actually have a long, long way to go before His coming.

PART I

Prior to the Second Coming there are three periods of missionary efforts to fully complete before His coming,
and the fourth will have already begun.
1. The Times of the Gentiles.
2. The Mission to the House of Israel.
3. The Mission to the Heathen Nations.
4.The Final Mission To All Mankind which will begin immediately prior to the His second coming and continue throughout the millennium.

1. The Times of the Gentiles began with the restoration of the gospel in 1830 and the launching of the missionary efforts throughout the world to primarily the Christian nations. Now, nearly 200 years later from its beginning, we continue to live in the Times of the Gentiles.

So what specific event will signify the end of this very important time period?

Briefly, it is the calling home of the missionaries from the so-called Christian nations of the earth because of their wickedness and unreceptive attitude towards the gospel. Let me be more specific. They will be called home because they are in danger. Anyone faithful to this gospel will risk persecution.

According to apostle Orson Pratt, even our meeting houses will be shut down as part of this persecution.
My guess is that the Church will be branded as promoting hate speech and intolerance.
If this happens, I suppose members will meet in one another’s homes for some semblance of church meetings.

And what will the consequences be to the world for having had the gospel messengers taken from amongst them?
The answer is found in the scriptures. There will be war, famine, pestilence, disease, earthquake, tidal waves, etc.
By these means the Lord will preach His own sermon to the world.
Other details surrounding this event will be discussed in part II.

2. Following the Times of the Gentiles, we will enter what President Kimball termed “The Great Day of the Lamanite.”

This great day will be the time their great conversion as a people and their great “blossoming as a rose.” Up to that time, their conversion and blossoming will have been limited by comparison of what will come.

And thus, will be further fulfillment of Jesus’ words: “Those who are first shall be last, and those who were last shall be first.”

* * * * Now here is an important part.
IF this Great Day of the Lamanite lasts anywhere near as long as the Times of the Gentiles, then we are AT THE VERY LEAST 200 years away from the Second Coming.

3. Following this Mission to the House of Israel, and after the Battle of Armageddon and the great Jewish conversion at Christ’s brief appearance at the splitting of the Mount of Olives, will begin the Mission to the Heathen Nations of the world. And who knows how long that mission will last?!
And so the Second Coming is even further delayed.

4. Lastly, will be the Final Mission to All of Mankind. This will take place immediately preceding the Second Coming and throughout the Millennium after the Lord’s Second Coming.

In this entire timeline, it is important to realize that our generation is but one link in a chain containing many links. The important thing is that we maintain and fortify our link.
Our posterity will have their own generational links to maintain and fortify.


PART II

So what COULD happen in the lifetime of our generation and what does it look like?

A. Prior to the end of the Times of the Gentiles, the United States will have been victorious against Russia and her allies in World War III. As to whether the Solis Cardisto account of this war is an accurate depiction, I cannot say.
But I do think that a ground invasion by Communist forces from around the world, and all the tragedy, suffering and abuse that will come with it, will be part of America’s cleansing.

B. We could see the missionaries called home from the so-called Christian nations, thus actually fulfilling the Times of the Gentiles.

This is when the Lord will begin to preach his own sermon to the world. . . the United States included.
There will be great geologic cataclysms, famine and war that will eventually end all nations.

Speaking specifically to the United States, this is when a massive civil war will break out, causing the entire fall of government on both the state and federal level. However, according to the writings of the modern day apostles and prophets, this will not be a war like unto the first civil war, the North vs. the South. It will be a war of state against state, city against city, neighborhood against neighborhood and family against family.
And it will be tremendously bloody. Perhaps maybe even like unto Book of Mormon depictions wherein the warring peoples left the corpses of the dead upon the open ground to become prey to the worms, birds and beasts.

Do you remember the promise that the Lord made to the brother of Jared regarding the Promised Land?
Well, America is going to more greatly feel the hand of God’s justice. America will be cleansed.
It’s will just be a repeat pattern from the Book of Mormon.

C. But it is not all bad news. The Lord has prepared a place to hide up His People and anyone else who will not take up the sword against their neighbor. It is here in the mountains and valleys of the Rocky Mountains.
But here too we will not be free from grave challenges. According to the modern prophets, it will be near famine if not all out famine conditions there because so many people will have fled to the Mormons to be fed.

Also, it is my opinion that it is during this time of civil war when the Lord’s prophecy from the Book of 3rd Nephi regarding the Lamanite people going “amongst the Gentiles as a lion goes through a flock of sheep” will be fulfilled. For amidst the civil war, its occurrence will be unable to be resisted.

Following this civil war, when the promised land of America has been cleansed, it is my opinion that then is the day when the prophesied great conversion and “blossoming as the rose” for the Lamanite People will go full throttle. Then some time during that period is when the New Jerusalem will be built.

In closing, I encourage the reading of Prophesy, Key To The Future by Duane Crowther.
This book has provided a great deal of the information and opinion that I have shared.
Here is a link to this years updated version.

https://www.amazon.com/Prophecy-Key-Fut ... the+future

I don't agree that we are that far away. Things are speeding up. That's why this time is called the hastening, aside from the fact that the work of family history and temple work is hastening.

It's an acceleration. All it takes is for the rising generation of people to apostatize from all that is good, not just in our Church, but in the so-called Christianity, for their youth to apostatize from their religions. And then, in the scriptural definition of fullness of iniquity is a physical separation of the righteous from the wicked. All we need is for the more righteous people's rights to continue to be robbed from them, and their property to be taken from them, to the degree, that they flee from the more wicked geographical areas to be among the righteous and get away from the wicked. Then the missionary efforts done by regular young people cease because it is no longer safe, and they are called home.

So, with the wicked concentrated in geographic areas, you have fulness of iniquity in those areas. Then, as prophesied by Joseph Smith, you have city against city, state against state, as a civil war where the wicked destroy the wicked, and the more wicked part of the Lamanites destroy the wicked Gentiles who are in their fulness of iniquity. As prophesied by Heber C. Kimball, the last destruction of the wicked Gentiles of this nation are destroyed in the Great Lakes area in Upstate New York, following the pattern of ancient times, and Upstate New York becomes yet again a battle ground.

With the collapse of our country which holds the world together, the rest of the societies of the world collapse. A dictator in the middle east, probably in Turkey (Erdogan?), takes advantage of the power vacuum with the lack of the United States and Russia to stop him, and he goes against Jerusalem. Two of our general authorities stationed in the middle east hold him off for a time by pure priesthood authority.

With all of this anarchy and destruction comes worldwide collapse of the social order, where the governments of all nation states collapse. Then the righteous, like in 3 Nephi, basically have to barricade themselves to some degree in centralized locations, much like the classic Road Warrior scenario with the righteous barricaded in with their food storage and other resources.

Then, when the wicked, having no storage of food and resources in those areas die off and self destruct, and are destroyed in natural disasters. Then the righteous, being no longer caged in, are able to take possession of the land again and, then a new social order arises, the Kingdom of God, at which point, a revelation is received for the New Jerusalem Temple to be built, and the Adam Ondi Ahman conference to take place.

The ten tribes will return to the truth from their apostate condition in Kurdistan, Northern Asia, and Eastern Asia, and will learn of their identities. There will be a revelation for them to have a mass exodus to North America.

The last missionaries are sent out for a time, 144000 in number (some from the ten tribes exodus from the other tribes), high priests who are mostly older individuals, but who may be translated in order to protect them from the wicked that they must face. They will gather the rest of the people that will come to the LDS Church, while the regular sectarian Christians, who are good people living among the Mormons will continue gather in those who are righteous enough to abide the day, but who will not believe in Mormonism. When all of the good people are gathered in by either the Mormons or Christians or any other good group worthy of abiding the day, will all be physically gathered, separated geographically from the wicked.

While the righteous are once again able to possess the land without fear, still quite a number of wicked people still exist and are ripe for destruction. Then, at some unspecified time after that, then comes the burning. This can all easily happen in less than two or three decades. The signs in the heavens are here. The signs in the earth and in the weather are here. Let's just go ahead and embrace that it is not far distant, in my opinion.

[FTC]

What could happen? We'll all die of old age. All our posts will eventually vanish down at the bottom of the list, and we'll be entirely forgotten. That is, if BrianM doesn't out-age us first and call it quits with this board entirely. Our grandkids will get chuckles out of us as the crazy old grandparents that were always talking about the end of the world. Medical science will become amazing, and nasty diseases will be cured. Or, we could just go Gattaca style and genomically purge those born with DNA deformities. The internet, and everything visual, will evolve into 3-D displays. We'll probably develop cybernetic implants, and have things wi-fi'd directly into our brains. Bionic implants, too. Or, a technology singularity will replace everyone of us human beings, and we'll be nothing more than memories in some archive museum. We'll become space proficient and start to populate other worlds. Wouldn't that really screw up the scriptures??

[Soy_El_Que_Soy]

I’ve read every word of this thread and I’ve got to say you guys are relentless in pounding stakes in the ground and holding on with all your eternal might. It’s incredible…really!

But I’m grateful, your tenacious and relentless arrogance has caused me to search more diligently and I think I have found the truth within both sides of this discussion. Please excuse my brazen audacity as I proclaim that both sides to this discussion are doctrinally and scripturally correct.

LDS Anarchist you have pounded the same note on the piano so many times your D&C 77:12 argument very quickly sounded like a one note symphony. Come on, you know the gospel of Christ isn’t a single note. Think about it, throughout this entire thread you have inferred that every single prophet since, and including, Joseph Smith have been in error. Really? Note. Note. Note. Note…Ad nauseum – endlessly. Sorry, that’s just doesn’t sound like the Christ I know.

I mean really, look at the entirety of the live’s works of the individuals you have besmirched, I don’t want to be in your shoes when they all come to make an accounting of who accused them of preaching false doctrines. They were sincere, righteous, amazing men – all of them. Yeah, it is certainly possible they may have gotten this one point wrong, but THAT wrong? That the entirety of their lives were wasted, nulled, and worthless, as you indicate? I sincerely don’t think so. No, their lives were symphonic masterpieces with many, many harmonies, counter melodies, and profoundly abundant doctrinal understandings. One note, does not a symphony make.

I’m sorry. Your argument sounded empty. Incomplete. No matter how you played the note. The gospel of Christ is so much richer and way more beautiful. So your argument sounded pretty vacant and void of truth to me. Sorry.

And to those on the other side of the discussion: Come on. Sunday school answers were so…yesterday. The evil one cometh and taketh away light and truth by the traditions of our fathers. You were playing old melodies that sounded like tinkling brass. We’ve heard it so many times before.

This discussion requires you to step outside the Mormonism box and delve deeper into the mysteries. Sunday school answers and quoting from Gospel Principles manual just don’t cut it. When discussing topics of this nature you’ve got to put on your big-boy pants and bring it, especially when you are in the ring with LDS Anarchist (because he brings it – big time!).

I believe I’ve sufficiently sized up this thread and the two sides of the discussion. Perhaps now you think I’m just an arrogant jerk myself – so be it. But before you get yourself all worked up will you allow me to offer my insights and perspective?

For those of you who have served a mission you no doubt are familiar with a quaint little ditty we used to play.

39 For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. (Moses 1:39)

And then we taught the investigator that all men are saved, that’s immortality. All men will be resurrected. And then we throw in this little lick: But all men don’t obtain eternal life. And then we teach the investigator about the most beautiful music all – exaltation.

I’m not going to pull out all the scriptures, and all the quotes, because I’m going to assume you already know them, but I am going to stop inferring, and come out and just say it.

LDS Anarchist is right about D&C 77:12. Before the Second Coming the Telestial work of salvation will be 100% completed. It has to be. The Millennium is the Terrestrial state of the earth. No Telestial will exist in the Terrestrial, it will all be cleansed from the earth or will have been translated/transfigured into Terrestrial. The work of salvation will be completed to allow the Terrestrial work of exaltation to begin (or be continued – because that work is being done in the temples currently).

The Terrestrial work of exaltation requires temples, and missionary work – so temple work and missionary work will be done in the Millennium – period. But it will NOT be the work of salvation. That work will have been completed, and fulfilled just prior to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. And the end-time servant, Elias will have done a mighty work to have completed it in time, with the help of the 144,000, and the City of Enoch.

So, both sides of this discussion are correct. And what a beautiful orchestrated symphony it is! Hosanna! Hosanna! Hosanna! To God and the Lamb!

[Z2100]

What could happen? We'll all die of old age. All our posts will eventually vanish down at the bottom of the list, and we'll be entirely forgotten. That is, if BrianM doesn't out-age us first and call it quits with this board entirely. Our grandkids will get chuckles out of us as the crazy old grandparents that were always talking about the end of the world. Medical science will become amazing, and nasty diseases will be cured. Or, we could just go Gattaca style and genomically purge those born with DNA deformities. The internet, and everything visual, will evolve into 3-D displays. We'll probably develop cybernetic implants, and have things wi-fi'd directly into our brains. Bionic implants, too. Or, a technology singularity will replace everyone of us human beings, and we'll be nothing more than memories in some archive museum. We'll become space proficient and start to populate other worlds. Wouldn't that really screw up the scriptures??

here's a website that talks about what your talking about:

http://futuretimeline.net/23rdcentury/23rdcentury.htm

Really interesting. It'd be nice if someone made something like this but more spirtiually correct.

i fully expect Jesus to return within the next century.

[James-T-Prout]

Yes I too believe this thread has turned into a train wreck.

It appears to have contention. At least slightly so.

I believe that we, the readers of this thread, all want to know the truth about what has been said about the timeline of the last days.

We all want the straight truth. And we would like it from the highest grade data points first, meaning the LDS Standard Works of Scriptures.

In fact, this was the conclusion I came to in late 2016, before I wrote The "Last-Days" Timeline. I wanted a book that showed all the prophecies of the last days based upon the scriptures themselves. As it turned out, the book is based 90% upon the scriptures, to show the timeline of the last days events in order.

In my book, I recommended that everyone read Duane Crowther's Prophecy-Key to the Future. It is a landmark work in prophecy originally written in 1962. With the data of the day, Crowther did a bang up job of putting the information forth to the people.



There have been much criticism of the concepts the book was based upon, such as The White Horse Prophecy of Joseph Smith. The Brethren have repeatedly denounced that one prophecy. However, Crowther did a service to all LDS people by attempting to reconcile all the early Brethern's Conference Talks with the opinions mentioned in The White Horse Prophecy.

I for one, thank Duane for doing that work. It is of great value to see what the early Brethren had taught from the pulpit.
And yet I believe the modern Brethren's denunciation of The White Horse Prophecy. I did not use that prophecy for any part of the timeline of The "Last-Days" Timeline.

I did a review Duane Crowther's Prophecy - Key to the Future book here:
https://www.lastdaystimeline.com/prophe ... he-future/

I also did a quick timeline of Duane Crowther's work, so that the people could see what Duane was proposing in his book. It's free at the download link on that page. Thank you.

[Z2100]

Yes I too believe this thread has turned into a train wreck.

It appears to have contention. At least slightly so.

I believe that we, the readers of this thread, all want to know the truth about what has been said about the timeline of the last days.

We all want the straight truth. And we would like it from the highest grade data points first, meaning the LDS Standard Works of Scriptures.

In fact, this was the conclusion I came to in late 2016, before I wrote The "Last-Days" Timeline. I wanted a book that showed all the prophecies of the last days based upon the scriptures themselves. As it turned out, the book is based 90% upon the scriptures, to show the timeline of the last days events in order.

In my book, I recommended that everyone read Duane Crowther's Prophecy-Key to the Future. It is a landmark work in prophecy originally written in 1962. With the data of the day, Crowther did a bang up job of putting the information forth to the people.



There have been much criticism of the concepts the book was based upon, such as The White Horse Prophecy of Joseph Smith. The Brethren have repeatedly denounced that one prophecy. However, Crowther did a service to all LDS people by attempting to reconcile all the early Brethern's Conference Talks with the opinions mentioned in The White Horse Prophecy.

I for one, thank Duane for doing that work. It is of great value to see what the early Brethren had taught from the pulpit.
And yet I believe the modern Brethren's denunciation of The White Horse Prophecy. I did not use that prophecy for any part of the timeline of The "Last-Days" Timeline.

I did a review Duane Crowther's Prophecy - Key to the Future book here:
https://www.lastdaystimeline.com/prophe ... he-future/

I also did a quick timeline of Duane Crowther's work, so that the people could see what Duane was proposing in his book. It's free at the download link on that page. Thank you.

Man, that book never gets old. I love reading it.

[James-T-Prout]

Hi LDS Anarchist,

Yes, there is an apparent disconnect in those statements.

Here is what I mean.

Crowther's book Prophecy - Key to the Future was written in 1962. It forms some of the earliest collective LDS thought on the subject of prophecy. Very few books before that point, give a collection of data as expansive as Crowthers.

However, the first part of the book that deals with WW3 coming from the Patriarchal Blessings of individual members, hasn't happened yet. Therefore, not much in the early part of Crowther's timeline has come to pass. And yes, he is batting near zero. And Duane knows that. It's been 50 years since he wrote that book.

I, as an author, still recommend people read it to understand some of the research that has been done on prophecy. And for that reason, Crowther's work is important.

Does that make sense?