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I want to prophesy that all men and women who oppose the revelation which God has given in relation to polygamy will find themselves in darkness; the Spirit of God will withdraw from them from the very moment of their opposition to that principle, until they will finally go down to hell and be damned, if they do not repent. That is just as true as it is that all the nations and kingdoms of the earth, when they hear this Gospel which God has restored in these last days, will be damned if they do not receive it; for the Lord has said so.
This reminds me of a story I ran across recently about how Finland is facing a crisis as their birthrate is at record low (suicidal) levels:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... by-problem

I also ran across an article that noted that porn consumption per capita on earth is highest for Sweden -- which is considered the most non-religious nation on earth.

Se we can see the fruits of secularism and rejecting the Gospel in any form, even basic Protestant Christianity. The people begin to dwindle and if, as I have done in the past, you note how they are dying out they give you that embarassed giggle and say, "I suspect that's true."

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djinwa wrote: September 20th, 2017, 8:26 pm
roycelerwick wrote: September 20th, 2017, 2:08 pm
djinwa wrote: August 9th, 2017, 11:15 pm We tell investigators we get special revelation through our prophets, yet they let us argue endlessly over basic doctrine.
Is this really arguing about "basic" doctrine? Not really "basic" is it? A pretty obscure, fringe concept isn't it?

You're the one who's decided it's "basic" doctrine, or doctrine at all.
I think that it is pretty basic to know how you'll spend eternity - whether with one wife or many. That is a pretty big issue for a lot of people, and would be a major factor in exercising their free agency and choosing which path they want to take.

Fascinating how few know what they're getting into. Just keep speculating. If we do end up doing polygamy in the next life, it will be hell for many.
Is my name Joseph Smith? Is my name Brigham Young? No. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and if you really believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, then our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ revealed the New and Everlasting Covenant. Care to define that phrase? Is that "basic" doctrine? I tend to think so.

What I find almost comically ironic is that D&C Official Declaration 1, https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/od/1 where Wilford Woodruff has to capitulate to American Political persecution and surrender the notion of plural marriage in Canon form, uses the much self-defending claim of LDS leadership that the "Prophet will not lead the church astray," going on to say it is "not in the program."

This appeal to a wholeheartedly heretical notion of Papal Infallibility has been used as a cheap defense for any number of political, social, or just personal LDS leadership fads, the worst of which was the infestation of the LDS faith with Skousanism and Bircherism. And lately I suppose, Beckism. But it was very specifically and in a canonical sense, directed at the very central retraction of a very central principle of "Mormonism," plural marriage, and was issued only because this retraction, this legal restriction on the "New and Everlasting Covenant" was so vehemently despised and contested by general Mormon membership, that the presidency felt obliged to issue this guarantee that such an overt deviation from central "principles" or shall we just say, "doctrine," was not a corruption of the church, the gospel, the inspired leadership of same, but a political reality that the Lord would forgive and set aside until a more perfect environment arose for its fulfilment.

Central to LDS doctrine is the assurance that there will be multiple "wives" in the hereafter. Or at least there can be, and that's not a problem.

Basic doctrine pal, and you don't have to argue that in a whole host of countries where they already support plural marriage. Monogamy is a Roman Church notion based upon inheritance and legal considerations attempting to halt the generations of backstabbings in a corrupt empire. "Christianity" inherited that. But really, Ooh ooh baby it's a wild world...

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Yes, the current western paradigm of monogamy is inherited from Roman Catholicism and subsequent puritan notions. And therefore, all of western culture including the LDS Church is steeped in it.

It is imperative that the saints learn the distinction, between what is of God, and what is of Man. I've known some instances (plural marriage being one of them) where people couldn't tell the difference, and it caused a lot of unwarranted difficulty and confusion for them. God is the Source of truth, and the fulness thereof can only be learnt from Him.

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The elephant in the room lets just mix the pot!!! For men it seems like a dream come true SEX with many women throw porno out the window choose from your many wives.

For me I'm trying to understand why Abraham boasted about his favorite wife, then kicked his non favorite wife out, on request of the first. If God is all loving, everyone has value, how do you play favorites. Dosesn't that diminish one's value. I am not for polygamy, tell it can be explained by people not motivated by the World.

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exactly, why debate it.
the scriptures are perfectly clear about plural marriage being a "new and everlasting covenant"

D&C 132

1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—

2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.

3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you;
for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant,
then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.


5 For all who will have a blessing at my hands shall abide the law which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.

6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.

please read all of Section 132
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testa ... ang=eng#p3
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The Manifesto or "covenant with death"of 1890 to end plural marriage
was totally man made.
Church leaders were being persecuted by the legislature for following their faith.
They feared man more than God. Hence The Manifesto.
There is much evidence that marriages were performed by the
church even after the Manifesto had been issued.
WHY ? If it really was a revelation.
In fact, prior to the Manifesto, the attorney prosecuting Elder Lorenzo Snow
for polygamy “predicted that if Snow and others were found guilty
and sent to prison church leaders would find it convenient
to have a revelation setting aside the commandment on polygamy.

The Polygamy Story: Fiction and Fact
by J. Max Anderson
http://www.shields-research.org/Books/P ... ry-c09.htm

(in part)
THE WOODRUFF MANIFESTO

President Taylor said that the time would come when many of the Saints would apostatize because of this principle. He said, "one-half of this people will apostatize over the principle for which we are now in hiding, yea, and possibly one-half of the other half" (rising off the floor while making the statement). He also said the day will come when a document similar to that (Manifesto) then under consideration would be adopted by the Church, following which "apostasy and whoredom would be rampant in the Church."

The issuance of the Manifesto came in response to the demands of the people; President Woodruff signed it under a permissive grant. That he did not subscribe to it in spirit was well known by his intimates at the time. He did what he said he "felt inspired" to do; he doubtless did the best he knew how under the circumstances. But all the childish babble and prattle about the Manifesto being a revelation from God and putting an end to the practice of the patriarchal order of marriage [polygamy] is pure buncombe.

Joseph Musser wrote
My God! what have I done," President Woodruff is reported to have said, after placing his signature to the Manifesto. And one of his counselors [Joseph F. Smith] answered, "You have signed a covenant with death and an agreement with hell, that's what you have done."
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"And your covenant with death" - (the man made manifesto)
"shall be disannulled"
ISAIAH Chapter 28 is talking about WHO ?, yes us, the Mormons,
the "drunkards of Ephraim."

Isaiah 28
18"And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it."
15 "Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves"


Isaiah 24:5
5 "The earth lies polluted under its inhabitants:
they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinances,
set at nought the ancient covenant
."

explanation: Avraham Gileadi
"Causing these curses is the wickedness of Jehovah’s people, who have altered his “ordinances” or “ritual” and perverted his “laws” or “doctrine” , thereby violating Jehovah’s covenant and rendering it void. Jehovah’s servant, who personifies Jehovah’s covenant (Isaiah 42:6; 49:8), they likewise set at nought (Isaiah 49:7; 50:5-11; 52:14)."

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The elephant in the room lets just mix the pot!!! For men it seems like a dream come true SEX with many women throw porno out the window choose from your many wives.
That is so ridiculous. A man today, being reasonably good-looking and having even an average level of social charm, can have the milk without paying for the cow, so to speak. He can play the field, as many do, having sex with a variety of women until he chooses to settle down in his late 30s with some gal in her mid-20s and start a family, if that is his goal. The women who may have sacrificed to have great educations and careers who he used to flirt with and were more his age? They wind up with no prospects, well, there is always cats.

A "worldly" man is not going to marry three women and look forward to them all being pregnant at the same time, or with PMS, or having issues with their mothers. Men would sacrifice their porn for that fantasy? Give me a break. Only highly spiritual men, or those who really like families, would become polygamists.

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Fiannan wrote: April 19th, 2018, 11:36 pm
The elephant in the room lets just mix the pot!!! For men it seems like a dream come true SEX with many women throw porno out the window choose from your many wives.
That is so ridiculous. A man today, being reasonably good-looking and having even an average level of social charm, can have the milk without paying for the cow, so to speak. He can play the field, as many do, having sex with a variety of women until he chooses to settle down in his late 30s with some gal in her mid-20s and start a family, if that is his goal. The women who may have sacrificed to have great educations and careers who he used to flirt with and were more his age? They wind up with no prospects, well, there is always cats.

A "worldly" man is not going to marry three women and look forward to them all being pregnant at the same time, or with PMS, or having issues with their mothers. Men would sacrifice their porn for that fantasy? Give me a break. Only highly spiritual men, or those who really like families, would become polygamists.
This is not true. I have heard quite the opposite. In the Muslim world young men who believe they want an additional wife for sexual reasons find themselves leaving the practice more and more and even warning other young men to stay away from it.

So the natural man DOES believe polygamy is the answer to him desiring more sexual partners. Especially in a society where it's patriarchal and legal and his right if he desires despite the opposition of the women. The early church polygamy and section 132 and other words spoken by many people today give this exact situation for polygamy to flourish.

Of men got married and kept their complete sexual energy within their marriage covenant then I would believe you that men don't want sex with multiple women without even thinking about the downsides such as what you mentioned.

Maybe you say these words because your an older and wiser person having gone through your prime of hormones and learned through the years of marriage. Young men are not at all smart enough or experienced enough to know any of these things, they just see the opportunity and that there are scriptures that seem to elude to his entitlement of having it someday.

What I don't understand is how having 2 or 3 or more women as your wife is more "spiritual" or noble than having 1. How is it actually better for your soul? I see the worldly benefits, that's as simple as many vessel to each man's seed. I'm talking about why doss it take a "spiritual" man to be able to live this? What's spiritual about it?

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What I don't understand is how having 2 or 3 or more women as your wife is more "spiritual" or noble than having 1. How is it actually better for your soul? I see the worldly benefits, that's as simple as many vessel to each man's seed. I'm talking about why doss it take a "spiritual" man to be able to live this? What's spiritual about it?
If a man and his wives are so altruistic enough to create a large family of children with superior values then that alone proves the point.

Nowadays I am sure you know at least a few women who would have made excellent mothers but never found a spiritual man and thus are the end of the line genetically speaking.

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Fiannan wrote: April 20th, 2018, 12:34 am
What I don't understand is how having 2 or 3 or more women as your wife is more "spiritual" or noble than having 1. How is it actually better for your soul? I see the worldly benefits, that's as simple as many vessel to each man's seed. I'm talking about why doss it take a "spiritual" man to be able to live this? What's spiritual about it?
If a man and his wives are so altruistic enough to create a large family of children with superior values then that alone proves the point.

Nowadays I am sure you know at least a few women who would have made excellent mothers but never found a spiritual man and thus are the end of the line genetically speaking.
Nobal to think of us women, who haven't been married. Try being the second wife, try being the un-favorite wife. Try the other way around were The woman has ten men and you have to wait your turn. There would be many grumpy good looking men.

Maybe this is the parable of the Ten Virgins, All the men stay in the church to obey God's law and all the woman leave. There is your 50/50 . You men are ready and whiling good for you.
It's true when they say men are the more rightous of the two sexes. All those women shopping, and looking for rich men.

Tell me how many women, would strap on bombs to, have 30 virgins waiting in Heaven for them.

This part of the church has been left behind because the rightous application is not there. If we have to live this law again. Tell me there is a better explanation than my best friend needs to have babies too!!! Maybe an all knowing God should make more male spirits to account for all the men lost in war.

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Love wrote: April 20th, 2018, 5:05 am
Fiannan wrote: April 20th, 2018, 12:34 am
What I don't understand is how having 2 or 3 or more women as your wife is more "spiritual" or noble than having 1. How is it actually better for your soul? I see the worldly benefits, that's as simple as many vessel to each man's seed. I'm talking about why doss it take a "spiritual" man to be able to live this? What's spiritual about it?
If a man and his wives are so altruistic enough to create a large family of children with superior values then that alone proves the point.

Nowadays I am sure you know at least a few women who would have made excellent mothers but never found a spiritual man and thus are the end of the line genetically speaking.
Nobal to think of us women, who haven't been married. Try being the second wife, try being the un-favorite wife. Try the other way around were The woman has ten men and you have to wait your turn. There would be many grumpy good looking men.

Maybe this is the parable of the Ten Virgins, All the men stay in the church to obey God's law and all the woman leave. There is your 50/50 . You men are ready and whiling good for you.
It's true when they say men are the more rightous of the two sexes. All those women shopping, and looking for rich men.

Tell me how many women, would strap on bombs to, have 30 virgins waiting in Heaven for them.

This part of the church has been left behind because the rightous application is not there. If we have to live this law again. Tell me there is a better explanation than my best friend needs to have babies too!!! Maybe an all knowing God should make more male spirits to account for all the men lost in war.
Men rarely if ever will look at polygamy the other way around. It not because it's never happened either, there are cultures where this does happen. Not so foreign of a thought that men should be uncapable of entertaining the notion for a moment to better understand placing women in it.

And I really don't think we need to worry about there being an abundance of truly righteous people even available to live this. There will be few who make it to the kingdom and those that do make it will likely make it as a husband/wife union, besides those who die before the age of accountability in which there are likely more males.

It's going to be very difficult to make it far enough to even keep the spouse you have now for eternity. Members of this church are marginally better if.. than the sinful world around us. Entitled thoughts will be done away soon enough when members are actually confronted with their own wickedness. And those men who are at the end having made it on the straight and narrow are likely men who have great love for their wife and won't be thinking in worldly ways at all. If a man hasn't been really good to his earthly wife he will not be given another, that's for certain!

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Nobal to think of us women, who haven't been married. Try being the second wife, try being the un-favorite wife. Try the other way around were The woman has ten men and you have to wait your turn. There would be many grumpy good looking men.
Try being no wife. That is the option for many women.

As for one woman ten men, if that is what a woman might like to try then so what?
Maybe this is the parable of the Ten Virgins, All the men stay in the church to obey God's law and all the woman leave. There is your 50/50 . You men are ready and whiling good for you.
It's true when they say men are the more rightous of the two sexes. All those women shopping, and looking for rich men.
If polygamy came back some men and some women would leave but I am pretty confident that those Mormon men with superior genetics would attract plenty of non-member women who would convert and marry them. Worked for islam's conquest of Christianity in the Middle East.
Tell me how many women, would strap on bombs to, have 30 virgins waiting in Heaven for them.
So tell me why so many Muslim women have strapped bombs on and detonated them.
This part of the church has been left behind because the rightous application is not there. If we have to live this law again. Tell me there is a better explanation than my best friend needs to have babies too!!! Maybe an all knowing God should make more male spirits to account for all the men lost in war.
Well, God did condemn war. Check the D&C.

As for genetic history the figure I have heard is that 80% of women have reproduced once reaching adulthood while only 40% of males.

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By the way, CNN may have a solution for the women who want more men:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/25/heal ... index.html

And some people don't believe Trump when he calls them fake news.

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so now we should add 'P' to 'LGBTQ+' ? so LGBTQP+ right? or LGBTQ+P? I mean Polygamists are born that way.. and if you condemn them or tell them they are sinners it will cause them to be sad and commit suicide.

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Love wrote: April 19th, 2018, 9:12 pm The elephant in the room lets just mix the pot!!! For men it seems like a dream come true SEX with many women throw porno out the window choose from your many wives.

For me I'm trying to understand why Abraham boasted about his favorite wife, then kicked his non favorite wife out, on request of the first. If God is all loving, everyone has value, how do you play favorites. Dosesn't that diminish one's value. I am not for polygamy, tell it can be explained by people not motivated by the World.
Seems polygamy would be a dream for women, also. Ask most married men if they get enough sex. Probably not. Women aren't that interested. Read this to see how much many women hate sex. An excerpt:
https://forums.webmd.com/3/sex-and-rela ... /9407?pg=1
Thank you for this informed post. I agree that the majority of married women I talk to (privately) that they would be happy if they never had to have sex again. They go through the motions for their husbands and those that don't, get divorced.
Just think, if there are ten wives to keep a man satisfied, women would only have to have sex every tenth time. Which is about once per year.

The biggest reason for women marrying is to get money so they can have kids. So they don't want polygamy because they would have to split the dough.

But if the guy made so much that their share exceeded the average salary, might be appealing. Imagine being one of 5 wives to a guy making a million a year. Each wife would get $250,000. Sure beats monogamy with a janitor making $20,000.

So it just depends. Of course, polygamy won't happen until heaven, where money is unlimited. So the biggest benefit there for women will be reduced sexual obligations.

Of course, polygamy is seen as great for guys, but only if you happen to have wives. For each guy with 10 wives, there are 9 guys with none. That seems to be forgotten.

Not sure how that problem will be solved in heaven. If we are to be damned for not practicing polygamy, more women need to be created. Or maybe a lot more men will be damned than women. The whole idea was flawed from the beginning.

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It is fascinating to see supposedly church members who praise our leaders as inspired of God, deciding that earlier leaders were not inspired of God, because they don't like some of what they said.

I guess in 50 years, we will be condemning today's revelation, so why bother.

Cherry picking. If you like it, it is revelation - if you don't, it was somebody's opinion, which was wrong.

Thank goodness we have a Prophet!

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Seems polygamy would be a dream for women, also. Ask most married men if they get enough sex. Probably not. Women aren't that interested. Read this to see how much many women hate sex.
There are some women who are asexual, just as there are men who are asexual. That is a very small minority (1% perhaps).

One observation for conservative people is that how sex is looked at. If one is brought up to see it as a necessary evil to make babies that will affect how they wish to participate in it, especially after their desired number of children have been born.

The fact that women are beginning to catch up to men in regards to porn use and the fact that non-porn production studios are beginning to put more sex and nudity in programs to attract female audiences demonstrates that women too like sex. Studies have shown however that if you show something of erotic content to a male he will psychologically and physiologically react but women can see it and report that they aren't that effected, but physiologically they are absolutely effected. This could be a combination of society and a built-in braking system so they will be more selective in matters of sexuality and mate selection. Nevertheless their subconscious is as interested in sex as a male's and if couples are aware of this then sex will occur more often.

An important note though, when a woman is trying to get pregnant she will be more into sex than a man. However, when she does get pregnant she will naturally be less interested in sex, and when the baby is born then there is competition for her attention. Not to say having babies is bad, in fact couples who do not reproduce have a much higher rate of divorce in the long-run, but here I can see that polygamy would keep families together more as you would have far less cheating and resentment. One wife might be pregnant, one trying and one nursing and this cycle satisfies the female desire to reproduce and the male for attention.

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And for the women that are over fifty, what is the benefit? Baby sitting!

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Love wrote: April 21st, 2018, 7:55 am And for the women that are over fifty, what is the benefit? Baby sitting!
Humans are one of the few species that the female loses the ability to reproduce at the mid-point of life. Humans are also one of the few species that recognize the concept of grandchildren.

Perhaps that answers your question from an evolutionary psychology point of view?

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Fiannan wrote: April 21st, 2018, 8:03 am
Love wrote: April 21st, 2018, 7:55 am And for the women that are over fifty, what is the benefit? Baby sitting!
Humans are one of the few species that the female loses the ability to reproduce at the mid-point of life. Humans are also one of the few species that recognize the concept of grandchildren.

Perhaps that answers your question from an evolutionary psychology point of view?
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and men can reproduce all their life untill they die.
Why did God make it that way ?
"It is very common for Hunzas to have children after the age of 60."
Men have fathered children at the age of 90.

God wants His righteous family to grow.

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The sealings for my grandma, who never joined the church in life, were to her 2 different husbands - both who were abusive & she divorced. It seems insane to insist she be sealed to them, but she was! It gets even more crazy - she was sealed into polygamy! If she was alive, I could just hear her. She disliked religious organizations.

“For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” - Matt. 22:30

On the other hand (& please pick up your jaw after this), I read how previous to Christianity sweeping Africa, polygamy- AND MANY LESS STDs - existed. So, I’ll admit that maybe, in some situations (where it’s tradition already) - in the big picture (but still limited to life), polygamy is more healthy than monogamy.

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I AM wrote: April 21st, 2018, 8:42 am and men can reproduce all their life untill they die.
Why did God make it that way ?
"It is very common for Hunzas to have children after the age of 60."
Men have fathered children at the age of 90.

God wants His righteous family to grow.
1) People should not have children when it is likely they cannot live long enough to raise them to adulthood. Preferably, they have kids when they are young enough that they are active and healthy at least until their kids are in their mid-20’s.

2) How do you know God wants us all to reproduce as much as possible (-if that is what you meant)? Beyond about 3 or 4 kids, it gets increasingly difficult for parents to manage. In bigger families, I see it over & over that the older ones sacrifice their childhoods to take over the parenting responsibilities, & that isn’t right.

Also, if we (especially in the US) want to continue taking way over our share (about 25%, when we are just 5%) of resources, it would be greedy and inconsiderate to excessively reproduce. https://public.wsu.edu/~mreed/380Americ ... mption.htm

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1) People should not have children when it is likely they cannot live long enough to raise them to adulthood. Preferably, they have kids when they are young enough that they are active and healthy at least until their kids are in their mid-20’s.
Not to worry, we will soon have genetic tests that will accurately predict when we will die. So if one stays away from being obese and follows the other aspects of the Word of Wisdom they can be like President Nelson, surfing until his 90s. So by your logic a man like Nelson could marry a woman who is still fertile up until his late 60s. Besides, such marriages would favor longevity and thus, in theory, push up the number of people who are genetically likely to live very long lifespans.
2) How do you know God wants us all to reproduce as much as possible (-if that is what you meant)? Beyond about 3 or 4 kids, it gets increasingly difficult for parents to manage. In bigger families, I see it over & over that the older ones sacrifice their childhoods to take over the parenting responsibilities, & that isn’t right.
What sacrifices? You see the current crop of overweight, condom snorting, Tide-pod chewing, wanna-be narcissists out there nowadays? I would venture to say most of these kids are only children, or only have one sibling. There is absolutely nothing wrong with older kids learning a bit of responsibility when it comes to household chores and helping with the younger siblings.
Also, if we (especially in the US) want to continue taking way over our share (about 25%, when we are just 5%) of resources, it would be greedy and inconsiderate to excessively reproduce.
Oh please, I would note that it is people who don't have kids that use resources the most. People with families maybe take a plane trip together once when the kids are still in the house while singles and double-income-no-kids fly all the time. How much gas does a van take to go fishing with the kids as opposed to a middle-aged, single, female teacher flying to Belize to rent a young man for a couple of weeks to romp with?

You know, I have seen many an article say that being gay is good for the planet for the same reasons you bring out. I suspect the reason we are seeing a push for alternative lifestyle experimentation, staying single and being childless is because people have bought into this sort of reasoning at the top of society and are using media and entertainment to promote this.

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Love
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Re: Why debate polygamy?

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So why start with Adam one Eve? Why not start with Adam, Eve, Ava, and Iva so that the pattern of perfection can be from the start? When God started after the Flood There were 8 none in polygamy. My point God might uses polygamy in desperate times to fulfill a need. If it was manditory every prophet would have done it. God is the same yesterday, today and for ever. Maybe we will find out that Jesus and Adam were polygamists.
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Re: Why debate polygamy?

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the bible already proves jesus practises plural marriage. psalm 45.

there are plenty of beliefs/traditions surrounding adam, lilith perhaps the best-known examples.
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