How about looking at this issue from the following perspective? I am fallen. I sin. I am not perfect. However, I am a perfect tithe payer. I covenanted long ago that I would always pay tithing and I always have. I need to work on other imperfections with the remaining time the Lord gives me. That would fall under the striving "for steady improvement" Elder Holland mentions above.markharr wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2017, 9:01 amIt absolutely is a given. We are all fallen, and there cannot be a perfect organization created by fallen men. Created by fallen men being the key phrase here. There can only be organizations created by fallen men who strive for perfection.iWriteStuff wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2017, 8:54 amI don't know that I'd say it's a given. What I will say is don't fall victim to false dichotomy thinking.markharr wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2017, 8:51 am I thought it was a given that neither party is right.
With the exception of the savior, not person that has ever lived on this earth is perfect, and all of us make mistakes. There can be no perfect political party or candidate.
Except for Jesus Christ, there have been no “flawless performances” during mortality. “So while in mortality, let’s strive for steady improvement without obsessing over what behavioral scientists call ‘toxic perfectionism’. - Jeffrey R Holland.
So applying that perspective to US relations with other countries, we should back away from our current policy of destroying people and committing war crimes among them. So says Brigham Young, prophet of God. That would qualify for steady improvement, not the insane act of following the same failed policies of the past 100 years or more. So says Elder Holland.