Forum Rules Update (2017 Feb 23) - Discussion

[Hidingbehindmyhandle]

3) men can't take God's word literally; they just have to argue, complain, wish, rant, argue some more and discuss it relentlessly until everyone is totally exhausted.

It seems your own words condemn you.

[creator]

Have more control over confidence in the truth brother. The spirit testifies and does not require you to silence people in order for it to stand out. Contention is way, way worse than error because it chases away the spirit.

Yes, this.

[freedomforall]

Have more control over confidence in the truth brother. The spirit testifies and does not require you to silence people in order for it to stand out. Contention is way, way worse than error because it chases away the spirit.

What spirit? If the spirit has been chased away by other than true doctrine believers, then it is already too late. Yet, I suppose you are correct. This isn't my forum, so why should I care? Why should I even think that by listening to others cry, spout off, teach false principles and doctrine, try to belittle the intelligence of those that believe what is taught in scripture or trying to convey their heartfelt testimony, only to be told it is incorrect because of something said 187 years ago...that it would affect my testimony, or the testimony of others? How foolish of me.
Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. Ya, Hooooo!

[Hidingbehindmyhandle]

Edit edit: I like you. Nobody likes the condescension unless they listen to that same spirit of contention. Then why do you keep pushing the envelop ? Can you take your own advice ?

Now we're into the BS stage. Do you, like many others have to put words in my mouth and then claim I said them ? Are you now pretending to be clairvoyant ? Must you twist my words and meanings around so you can take credit for how you perceive things not really knowing me or what I am saying ?

I even told you to think as you wish, but does this give you the right to twist my words and meanings around in order to appease that kind of thinking ?

Please don't start in with the intellect bashing. If you want to be like Jesus then can you at least act like it ?

No, I am not Jesus or ever pretend being as such, but do you have to arrogantly try to imply that your conception of such is true ? Can you lighten up and give it a rest ? Do you want to be further cause for contention as you have been doing thus far ? Can you come down off your high horse and smell the roses ? Can you not take yourself so seriously, and try to understand what someone is saying rather than to twist their words to suit yourself ? Can you ask questions instead of making rash judgements geared to tick someone off ?

I asked you to agree to disagree. I thought that was a reasonable request, but why must I be proven wrong every time someone wants what they believe to be shouted from housetops, before being humble enough to let things go and agree to disagree ?

If you refuse to heed my request then your name will end up on my ignore list
among names of those who just can't be humble enough to be wrong in their assessments of others. We've had issues before as you know, so this isn't the first time we've clashed.

Now, if you want to continue baiting me then maybe the forum admin ought to be in on this, because I get agitated for getting board warnings for defending myself. I want this BS to come to a screeching halt. Can you handle that ? Or can you not refrain from having the last word and judgement ? :-w

You've got a problem with anger and negativity. I'm sure the forum admin is watching this. I've not insulted you but have offered you only advice as to why so many have asked you to reconsider your approach.

Look back to my first question you to which you reacted.

And by the voice of your current aly.

[skmo]

is not a good fit for anti-Mormons and most likely not a good fit for bitter ex-Mormons....

I would be interested in your feedback, questions, comments, etc..

One thing DESPERATELY now missing, in my opinion, is a statement that doctrines which directly contradict the basic teachings of the LDS gospel are not allowed.

We can disagree about how our political leaders can uphold the Constitution while still being an active LDS member and without failing to be a faithful follower of the restored gospel. However, if the standard is just:

#1: Be kind and respectful.

Here's a list of "Christian Church" discussion topics I've seen which are kind and respectful:
Open marriage
Do Mormons have horns
Christ would be a Communist
Pan-Sexuality is the only way to learn true love
The Book of Mormon will damn you
Mushrooms and LSD can help you find god
Joseph Smith was an adulterer

:Edited to add:
Most of these are discussions from forums other than LDSFF, but they're all topics I've seen.

It's been years since I got deeply involved on these boards with someone who was making claims directly in violation of simple gospel teachings, but even under the old forum rules things like that would sneak in.

[skmo]

What I see is way too much apostate speech, false doctrine being thrown into the good stuff, and people condemning the church and/or its leaders in one one way or another. Forum rules stated this was not to be. And I hope that remains in force.

How about being told the Book of Mormon is not of God? From what I can see, that is NOT against the rules, and it currently exists in a topic.

[skmo]

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[skmo]

I felt the Holy Spirit when I read through the new "LDS Freedom Forum Rules" and the supporting scriptures. I approve of these changes!

Now the truth has a fair chance to be respectfully presented even if some find it uncomfortable.

Who's truth?

Truth, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I can get satan's truth everywhere. I'd like to be able to get more of Christ's Truths here.

[skmo]

It has been interesting to see the forum rules evolve over the years. Maybe one day soon, it can be reduced to the Golden Rule, or in other words, the two greatest commandments.

In a Zion community this would be great.

Until then, we would do well to remember Ecclesiastes: To everything there is a season. Is the baptismal font the place for a bath? Is Sunday School a place for tax policy questions? Is LDSFF the place to say "Christ loves everyone but if you follow the teachings of Joseph Smith you'll go to hell"?

[skmo]

I don't view this recent emphasis on the rules as advantageous to any one particular group or mindset. I think you're worried about something.

Being told the Book of Mormon is a false book. Having people discuss that there really no such thing as sin as long as anything you do is for love. People teaching that Christ was A perfect example, but not THE perfect example, as there are a lot of saviors in this world. These are three things I've seen on this forum at some point.

[skmo]

I'm hardheaded in presenting God's truth, not man's

And I'm hardheaded in proclaiming that if you follow man's truth that great suffering will come upon you when you return to God's truth. I'll also proclaim following FFA's truth rather than the path I did is a better way (except voting for Trump.)

[freedomforall]

What I see is way too much apostate speech, false doctrine being thrown into the good stuff, and people condemning the church and/or its leaders in one one way or another. Forum rules stated this was not to be. And I hope that remains in force.

How about being told the Book of Mormon is not of God? From what I can see, that is NOT against the rules, and it currently exists in a topic.

Well, we need more people standing as a witness for Christ in all things, at all times and in all places, this would include this forum no matter who is weak in their testimony. It is Christ we are to please not anyone one else with an axe to grind against the church or those trying their hardest to make waves.

[skmo]

Well, we need more people standing as a witness for Christ in all things, at all times and in all places, this would include this forum no matter who is weak in their testimony.

Certainly no need to look any further than right here at ME to see an example of someone who is weak in their testimony, but I'm also a living demonstration of both God's grace and the will to keep trying.

[Hidingbehindmyhandle]

Certainly no need to look any further than right here at ME to see an example of someone who is weak in their testimony, but I'm also a living demonstration of both God's grace and the will to keep trying.

It matters little where you are, it matters little how fast you are going, it matters greatly the direction you are going.
Learn to be patient and merciful with yourself, God is more patient and merciful than you.

[freedomforall]

Well, we need more people standing as a witness for Christ in all things, at all times and in all places, this would include this forum no matter who is weak in their testimony.

Certainly no need to look any further than right here at ME to see an example of someone who is weak in their testimony, but I'm also a living demonstration of both God's grace and the will to keep trying.

I meant no offense by what I said above. I know your situation and appreciate the fact that you are striving to work out your salvation with trembling.

Psalm 2:11
11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Note: the word "fear" equates to "reverence."

On another note, anyone that feels the need to throw stones at you had better beware. Here is why:

Mosiah 26:31
31 And ye shall also forgive one another your trespasses; for verily I say unto you, he that forgiveth not his neighbor’s trespasses when he says that he repents, the same hath brought himself under condemnation.

So, skmo, don't worry about standing up for Christ at any time, because as man can only see the outer man, He looks upon the heart.

And our thoughts are known to Him as well.

Alma 12:14,15
14 For our words will condemn us, yea, all our works will condemn us; we shall not be found spotless; and our thoughts will also condemn us; and in this awful state we shall not dare to look up to our God; and we would fain be glad if we could command the rocks and the mountains to fall upon us to hide us from his presence.
15 But this cannot be; we must come forth and stand before him in his glory, and in his power, and in his might, majesty, and dominion, and acknowledge to our everlasting shame that all his judgments are just; that he is just in all his works, and that he is merciful unto the children of men, and that he has all power to save every man that believeth on his name and bringeth forth fruit meet for repentance.

I applaud you.

[Sunain]

is not a good fit for anti-Mormons and most likely not a good fit for bitter ex-Mormons....

I would be interested in your feedback, questions, comments, etc..

One thing DESPERATELY now missing, in my opinion, is a statement that doctrines which directly contradict the basic teachings of the LDS gospel are not allowed.

We can disagree about how our political leaders can uphold the Constitution while still being an active LDS member and without failing to be a faithful follower of the restored gospel.

Indeed it is an issue on the forums here currently. Too many people are starting discussions that contradict the basic teachings of the gospel. These debates shouldn't even be open for discussion. The doctrine of Christ is sound and clear.

[freedomforall]

is not a good fit for anti-Mormons and most likely not a good fit for bitter ex-Mormons....

I would be interested in your feedback, questions, comments, etc..

One thing DESPERATELY now missing, in my opinion, is a statement that doctrines which directly contradict the basic teachings of the LDS gospel are not allowed. There were these similar words, but have since been removed.

We can disagree about how our political leaders can uphold the Constitution while still being an active LDS member and without failing to be a faithful follower of the restored gospel. However, if the standard is just:

#1: Be kind and respectful.

Here's a list of "Christian Church" discussion topics I've seen which are kind and respectful:
Open marriage
Do Mormons have horns
Christ would be a Communist
Pan-Sexuality is the only way to learn true love
The Book of Mormon will damn you
Mushrooms and LSD can help you find god
Joseph Smith was an adulterer

It's been years since I got deeply involved on these boards with someone who was making claims directly in violation of simple gospel teachings, but even under the old forum rules things like that would sneak in.

Here is another fine example of a poster referring to the written word of scripture to be a fairy tale.

"You are now making things up to keep your fairy tail that Adam dies.
He died only in the fairy tail, In reality he did not die."

[freedomforall]

is not a good fit for anti-Mormons and most likely not a good fit for bitter ex-Mormons....

I would be interested in your feedback, questions, comments, etc..

One thing DESPERATELY now missing, in my opinion, is a statement that doctrines which directly contradict the basic teachings of the LDS gospel are not allowed.

We can disagree about how our political leaders can uphold the Constitution while still being an active LDS member and without failing to be a faithful follower of the restored gospel.

Indeed it is an issue on the forums here currently. Too many people are starting discussions that contradict the basic teachings of the gospel. These debates shouldn't even be open for discussion. The doctrine of Christ is sound and clear.

Oh, how about the Adam-God doctrine? It is being taught here in full force with no let up. It appears that some people do not agree that the scriptures are clear...scriptures that provide our very doctrine, some of which are now referred to as fairy tales. Is this acceptable on this supposed "LDS" freedomforum?

[skmo]

I meant no offense by what I said above. I know your situation and appreciate the fact that you are striving to work out your salvation with trembling.

Oh, I know this. Sorry if you mistook my words.

I said what I did as both an affirmation and an addendum to what you said.

On another note, anyone that feels the need to throw stones at you had better beware. Here is why:

People are free to throw stones at me all they want. No one on earth, other than my wife, has a single stone capable of hurting me anymore. I'll gladly do what I can to help people who may do so understand they're only hurting themselves. I have been through the emotional hurt the world can throw at me and I've learned to let it bounce off of me.

I applaud you.

I appreciate it. Maybe someday a time will come I can share some of the experiences I've had that will make you laugh at me as well. Spoiler Alert: You'll laugh so hard you'll hurt your sides. You may wet yourself a little, too.