Should my wife go to bishop for porn addiction?

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"Sex, lust, porn addictions are legit, true, real addictions. Addictions are diseases. That is the connection between cancer and pornography addiction. A disease is something that can't just be willed away. Also, most often, although not in all cases, but most often there are underlying issues and concerns for those who have a sex, lust, porn addiction and the porn, sex, and lust are just manifestations of something else going on in that person's life.

My whole point in my post was to make you aware of the fact that porn, sex, lust issues that many struggle with are in fact addictions and addictions are in fact diseases. You seem to deny that this is the case, so then you are prone to treat the problem as if it were just a matter of people being vile sinners or as if they can just will themselves to stop. Your perspective is common, but it ignores the reality. Look, I'm not an expert, a doctor, or a psychologist, but I have been through treatment myself, I am an ARP facilitator helping those who struggle with addictions of all sorts, and I have plenty of experience working with psychologist and other mental health professionals as I've worked through my own issues, addictions, etc. This process has educated me and I am intimately familiar with what is actually going on and how porn, sex, lust affect the body, the mind, and the spirit. Alcoholism and sex/lust/porn addictions are very much in the same class and addictions are diseases and therefore they are in the same class as other diseases. I wrote what I wrote so that you and others can be aware of this connection so that you can start dealing with this issue from the correct perspective. Otherwise, your views and perspectives will be biased and missing the mark and being punitive and vengeful is NOT helpful or even something that will make a difference for the good to anyone. The Church's ARP program is centered on Christ and His atonement. I know from experience that the principles taught in ARP are good and true and they work. Thousands of others know this as well. Educate yourself and take time to attend a few ARP sessions. By the way, those meetings are not just for people suffering from substance abuse or porn addictions, this program is intended for anyone who has a weakness and continues to struggle with a weakness year after year. Someone once called it the Advance Repentance Program, because it truly is that"
I guess we will have to agree to disagree..
I do not believe that it is an incorrect perspective at all nor do I believe it is even in the slightest way a disease at all... Put a cancer patient in the same room as a porn addict and see how long they get along together.. two completely different worlds... The cancer patient is trying to overcome a physical disease and is not a sinner , whereas the porn addict is a sinner that needs to repent... I'll even take it further, to take sin and whitewash it by twisting it into a "disease" and to put it on the same plane as physical diseases is doing a disservice to the sinner ... It is calling white black and black white or good evil and evil good...
or as Isaiah says:

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

Or how about what this same Savior says :

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And you call that a disease? I call that sin that needs to be swiftly repented of or else we shall lose His Spirit and then satan gains control and that actually is what is happening,, porn addicts come under the influence of the power of the adversary and his minions and unless repented of , they shall remain under his power and influence...

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simpleton wrote:
"Sex, lust, porn addictions are legit, true, real addictions. Addictions are diseases. That is the connection between cancer and pornography addiction. A disease is something that can't just be willed away. Also, most often, although not in all cases, but most often there are underlying issues and concerns for those who have a sex, lust, porn addiction and the porn, sex, and lust are just manifestations of something else going on in that person's life.

My whole point in my post was to make you aware of the fact that porn, sex, lust issues that many struggle with are in fact addictions and addictions are in fact diseases. You seem to deny that this is the case, so then you are prone to treat the problem as if it were just a matter of people being vile sinners or as if they can just will themselves to stop. Your perspective is common, but it ignores the reality. Look, I'm not an expert, a doctor, or a psychologist, but I have been through treatment myself, I am an ARP facilitator helping those who struggle with addictions of all sorts, and I have plenty of experience working with psychologist and other mental health professionals as I've worked through my own issues, addictions, etc. This process has educated me and I am intimately familiar with what is actually going on and how porn, sex, lust affect the body, the mind, and the spirit. Alcoholism and sex/lust/porn addictions are very much in the same class and addictions are diseases and therefore they are in the same class as other diseases. I wrote what I wrote so that you and others can be aware of this connection so that you can start dealing with this issue from the correct perspective. Otherwise, your views and perspectives will be biased and missing the mark and being punitive and vengeful is NOT helpful or even something that will make a difference for the good to anyone. The Church's ARP program is centered on Christ and His atonement. I know from experience that the principles taught in ARP are good and true and they work. Thousands of others know this as well. Educate yourself and take time to attend a few ARP sessions. By the way, those meetings are not just for people suffering from substance abuse or porn addictions, this program is intended for anyone who has a weakness and continues to struggle with a weakness year after year. Someone once called it the Advance Repentance Program, because it truly is that"
I guess we will have to agree to disagree..
I do not believe that it is an incorrect perspective at all nor do I believe it is even in the slightest way a disease at all... Put a cancer patient in the same room as a porn addict and see how long they get along together.. two completely different worlds... The cancer patient is trying to overcome a physical disease and is not a sinner , whereas the porn addict is a sinner that needs to repent... I'll even take it further, to take sin and whitewash it by twisting it into a "disease" and to put it on the same plane as physical diseases is doing a disservice to the sinner ... It is calling white black and black white or good evil and evil good...
or as Isaiah says:

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

Or how about what this same Savior says :

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And you call that a disease? I call that sin that needs to be swiftly repented of or else we shall lose His Spirit and then satan gains control and that actually is what is happening,, porn addicts come under the influence of the power of the adversary and his minions and unless repented of , they shall remain under his power and influence...
Well, you've sort of equivocated and you ought to actually address the point that I am making before you make a decision as to whether you agree with me or not. Here it is one more time plainly stated so that there is no misunderstanding:

1. Addiction is a disease - This is a medical fact.

2. Porn/sex/lust addiction is real - another fact that the Church recognizes.

3. You cannot wish/will a disease to go away whether you are dealing with the disease of addiction or the disease of cancer, it is the same - another fact that the Church recognizes.

Here is what is important to me in this discussion - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints recognizes that porn/sex/lust addiction is real. The Church recognizes that addiction is a disease. I'm very happy with how the Church, in general, deals with the issue of pornography. How members, in general, deal with pornography/sex/lust addiction is judgmental, punitive, self-righteous, and largely based on biases, prejudices, ignorance, and fear.

An addict, whether it is porn or alcohol or something else, is suffering from a disease. Once something has reached the level of addiction, it is not just a matter of someone repenting. What you are saying just doesn't work. The Church knows this and that is why it has the Addiction Recovery Program and also why it has the Family Support Group because the Church also recognizes the harm and damage that can occur to family members and spouses who are living with an individual who has an addiction. Both parties in these situations need love and support.

Here is something anecdotal to add to the mix - We don't know the circumstances and the roots of how or why people act out the way that they do. We, simply put, are not in a position to make judgment and assumptions about whether someone is a vile sinner or not. Our job is to offer empathy, love, and support for those who are struggling with addictions, be they of any variety, but including porn/sex/lust addiction. It is extremely difficult and courageous for a person to admit that they have a problem and to seek help with overcoming their addictions. The gospel of Jesus Christ is uniquely positioned to offer a solution to all ailments that afflict mankind. In most cases (I concede there are exceptions) it is completely unhelpful to approach a person with an addiction with punitive actions and judgments, especially those who have courageously decided to admit that their life has become unmanageable and they need help.

There are two types of people in the Church: Those who know they have weaknesses and those who haven't come terms with this fact yet.

-Finrock

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In that case I disagree with the church

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This thread which is available to all to read on the internet is hardly a support for the missionary programme of the Church. In fact I think it is a disgrace and should be deleted. If immorality is an issue for some, then those concerned should be counselled privately. In all my time as a member I have never known of any immorality within the Church. It is beyond understanding that anyone would be a member if their heart was set on immoral matters.

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Elizabeth wrote:This thread which is available to all to read on the internet is hardly a support for the missionary programme of the Church. In fact I think it is a disgrace and should be deleted. If immorality is an issue for some, then those concerned should be counselled privately. In all my time as a member I have never known of any immorality within the Church. It is beyond understanding that anyone would be a member if their heart was set on immoral matters.
People are just people. Expectations for members is higher because of covenants made and knowledge about right and wrong. BUT, members are just people and are not immune to sin.

It's not that a heart set on immoral matters joins the church but rather one joins at 8 per expectation then falls into immorality. And because of expectations throughout life, they keep their smiling happy face and go through the motions not to draw attention, judgement or dissapointment. There are PLENTY of immoral hearts in every church.

Truth is truth and it doesn't help to hide it.

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And might I add, church is NOT for perfect people. It's for the sinner and when we try to appear better than we are, many "imperfect" people feel like they don't fit in enough with the membership to be reasonably comfortable.

A glorified portrayal versus honesty and openness and "realness'" will attract more people than many may realize. If we're so darn "perfect", where is there room and acceptance for the sinner or past sinner?

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There are many degrees of perfection. Some, such as sexual morality and keeping the word of wisdom are basic requirements easy to achieve.

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Elizabeth wrote:There are many degrees of perfection. Some, such as sexual morality and keeping the word of wisdom are basic requirements easy to achieve.
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Elizabeth wrote:There are many degrees of perfection. Some, such as sexual morality and keeping the word of wisdom are basic requirements easy to achieve.

There are not many degrees of perfection. There is ONE. Jesus Christ is the standard and until we have been resurected in HIM we will all fall short of the standard that Jesus set for us. To believe otherwise is also a sin.

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Elizabeth wrote:There are many degrees of perfection. Some, such as sexual morality and keeping the word of wisdom are basic requirements easy to achieve.
For you? For everyone?

This is a typical mentality of lifelong mormon culture members that comes accross as judgemental and non-accepting of people who come from a different life story than molly mormon types. Not everyone has had the "mormon" life, many people have some real crap dealt to them...if they are trying to conquer and improve and change to healthier ways, we should be happy and patient.

I wasn't sheltered at all growing up and I have found that I have very different views than the typical mormon and am suprised at how much misunderstandings, lack of compassion and straight judgement people can have.

If someone was dealt an abusive upbringing, what business does a person who had a safe loving home have in judging the other? They know nothing yet still judge.
Say a person is dealing with PTSD and started smoking again to deal with their anxiety...can you tell this person that it's easy? If you know anything about what's going on with this person individually, you wouldn't judge, you would love.

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Elizabeth wrote:This thread which is available to all to read on the internet is hardly a support for the missionary programme of the Church. In fact I think it is a disgrace and should be deleted. If immorality is an issue for some, then those concerned should be counselled privately. In all my time as a member I have never known of any immorality within the Church. It is beyond understanding that anyone would be a member if their heart was set on immoral matters.
And that is the reason I bother to post on these endless threads dealing with pornography. I have known people who have found the inspiration to visit our Church services. And some have not been impressed. I know one teen who went and encountered the "Who wants to lick Candy the bad girl" lesson. That totally turned her off. I know someone else who, when she visited, heard a talk about how evil this kid felt about opening up a Playboy. Well, how do you think that went over?

I want people to understand this issue from a psychological standpoint. Yes, there are Mormons here who seem to be of the same stripe as Wahabbi Saudis who would cover a woman from head to toe to protect men from her evil and seductive body. of course there are others who would probably be okay with dating an LDS porn star, as long as she paid tithing on her earnings. I still think that if a non-member sees pornography dealt with in a rational manner, not excusing it, but not making it appear as a sin that will send you lower than the bankers get sent in Dante's Inferno. Porn is exploitive, yes. Porn is an extension of Hollywood, yes. And it does promote immoral lifestyles. Let us keep the debate in those areas and see how effective it will be -- the name and shame approach doesn't seem to have done so well, has it?

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simpleton wrote:In that case I disagree with the church
That is fine. I disagree with the Church on a number of things. Let me ask you this, though, simpleton and please answer honestly and with complete integrity:

Is there anything in your life that you have tried to stop doing, which you know is wrong, but you find yourself constantly falling short? Meaning, are there any weaknesses that you possess that you have yet to this day been unable to overcome despite you striving and despite your best efforts?

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Melissa wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:There are many degrees of perfection. Some, such as sexual morality and keeping the word of wisdom are basic requirements easy to achieve.
For you? For everyone?

This is a typical mentality of lifelong mormon culture members that comes accross as judgemental and non-accepting of people who come from a different life story than molly mormon types. Not everyone has had the "mormon" life, many people have some real crap dealt to them...if they are trying to conquer and improve and change to healthier ways, we should be happy and patient.

I wasn't sheltered at all growing up and I have found that I have very different views than the typical mormon and am suprised at how much misunderstandings, lack of compassion and straight judgement people can have.

If someone was dealt an abusive upbringing, what business does a person who had a safe loving home have in judging the other? They know nothing yet still judge.
Say a person is dealing with PTSD and started smoking again to deal with their anxiety...can you tell this person that it's easy? If you know anything about what's going on with this person individually, you wouldn't judge, you would love.
Melissa,

This what you wrote is the other perspective I have been driving at. I felt that in your other posts you have made some generalizations about men and porn use (I'm assuming you have had a spouse or someone in your life who has struggled with this and it has hurt you tremendously) and were making some hasty generalizations about why the porn problem exist and you were not taking in to account a wide variety of motivations, issues, backgrounds, and like which can contribute to why people do and act the way they do and that porn does not just exist because men are wanting to see or hook up with naked women. Women don't just get in to porn because men made them or want them do it. Or, I'm speculating, but even if all men were completely chaste and never looked at porn, I suspect based on what I understands about what motivates a person to get in to pornography, many women would still be involved and take part in pornography.

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Finrock wrote:
Melissa wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:There are many degrees of perfection. Some, such as sexual morality and keeping the word of wisdom are basic requirements easy to achieve.
For you? For everyone?

This is a typical mentality of lifelong mormon culture members that comes accross as judgemental and non-accepting of people who come from a different life story than molly mormon types. Not everyone has had the "mormon" life, many people have some real crap dealt to them...if they are trying to conquer and improve and change to healthier ways, we should be happy and patient.

I wasn't sheltered at all growing up and I have found that I have very different views than the typical mormon and am suprised at how much misunderstandings, lack of compassion and straight judgement people can have.

If someone was dealt an abusive upbringing, what business does a person who had a safe loving home have in judging the other? They know nothing yet still judge.
Say a person is dealing with PTSD and started smoking again to deal with their anxiety...can you tell this person that it's easy? If you know anything about what's going on with this person individually, you wouldn't judge, you would love.
Melissa,

This what you wrote is the other perspective I have been driving at. I felt that in your other posts you have made some generalizations about men and porn use (I'm assuming you have had a spouse or someone in your life who has struggled with this and it has hurt you tremendously) and were making some hasty generalizations about why the porn problem exist and you were not taking in to account a wide variety of motivations, issues, backgrounds, and like which can contribute to why people do and act the way they do and that porn does not just exist because men are wanting to see or hook up with naked women. Women don't just get in to porn because men made them or want them do it. Or, I'm speculating, but even if all men were completely chaste and never looked at porn, I suspect based on what I understands about what motivates a person to get in to pornography, many women would still be involved and take part in pornography.

-Finrock
Yes, there are many reasons people do sexually deviant things but have you thought that maybe people would deal with issues in a different way if sexuality was more appropriate in our society. I was speaking in gereralizations because that's what my angle was.

I know some of the reasons men look at porn and I also know some of the reason women participate in it.

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I know some of the reasons men look at porn and I also know some of the reason women participate in it.
Men look at porn, and men participate in it as well.
Women look at porn, and women participate in it as well.

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Fiannan wrote:
I know some of the reasons men look at porn and I also know some of the reason women participate in it.
Men look at porn, and men participate in it as well.
Women look at porn, and women participate in it as well.
Cool, let's normalize murder while we're at it.

Men are murdered all the time, and men participate in it as well.
Women are murdered all the time, and women participate in it as well.

Sin is as sin does. Normalizing it doesn't make it right.

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Yet we never generalize and say only men murder people. Many conservative people still repress the idea that women actually live to watch erotic movies as well as read on this subject as well.

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Fiannan wrote:Yet we never generalize and say only men murder people. Many conservative people still repress the idea that women actually live to watch erotic movies as well as read on this subject as well.
Don't we generalize a ton about offenses committed by men versus women? Men have statistically been more deviant in society. It's changing now but it's usually been men. That's a generalization...but somehow that's bad? That's why it's a generalization not an absolute.

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Melissa wrote:
Fiannan wrote:Yet we never generalize and say only men murder people. Many conservative people still repress the idea that women actually live to watch erotic movies as well as read on this subject as well.
Don't we generalize a ton about offenses committed by men versus women? Men have statistically been more deviant in society. It's changing now but it's usually been men. That's a generalization...but somehow that's bad? That's why it's a generalization not an absolute.
I think that depends on what we define as "deviancy." I mean yes, a lot of men cheat on their wives. But who are they cheating with, other men?

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Fiannan wrote:
Melissa wrote:
Fiannan wrote:Yet we never generalize and say only men murder people. Many conservative people still repress the idea that women actually live to watch erotic movies as well as read on this subject as well.
Don't we generalize a ton about offenses committed by men versus women? Men have statistically been more deviant in society. It's changing now but it's usually been men. That's a generalization...but somehow that's bad? That's why it's a generalization not an absolute.
I think that depends on what we define as "deviancy." I mean yes, a lot of men cheat on their wives. But who are they cheating with, other men?
I said deviant because I wanted to avoid criminal. Yes, where a man is cheating you will find a woman. That's a given and I wasn't specifically referencing sex which takes both male and female. More criminal aggressive type stuff. You know what I mean.

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I said deviant because I wanted to avoid criminal. Yes, where a man is cheating you will find a woman. That's a given and I wasn't specifically referencing sex which takes both male and female. More criminal aggressive type stuff. You know what I mean.
Sorry, I did not know what you meant. However, if you are speaking of criminal then, in reference to this issue, there is actually an inverse relationship between porn use and rape.

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Melissa wrote: February 10th, 2017, 12:45 am
Fiannan wrote:
Different wrote:"So I'm assuming I should report her to the bishop and tell as many people I can."

Tell as many people as you can? Hmm sounds pretty unchristian to me to go around murmuring to others about personal problems and rather childish really. Try acting like an adult when dealing with problems then spreading gossip in your community.


Im not taking sides just pointing out your statement.
I am assuming that he is employing satire to make a point. Some LDS women have done this to their husbands -- finding something in his history and then tattling on them to family and associates. Totally vile thing to do but some people think it is fantastic.
Fantastic? Really?? A wife tells people of her husband's porn issues for fun? Your kidding right?

Why would a woman want everybody to know this? Women feel shame from this, so it doesn't make sense to me. Maybe they tell someone to get some support?
My sister has done that, as has my mom, and they are part of "support groups" of women who do that. It's sickening.
I tried to tactfully suggest that if they made a mistake & apologized, they wouldn't want someone to keep reminding them of it & pointing it out to others.

Victim mentality is addicting - and allows them to take the easy road - if it's all the other person's fault.

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Its not wrong to get counseling on this. You can go into the bishop and ask for advise for how to treat it. Get help on it for sure. And you were right to ask questions to feel out what to do in an anonymous environment. You can meet with him privately at first and then work out how to get both you and your wife to go together. Use the spirit for your guide. People can be fixed and rehabilitated with the Gospel and by living it. Think of how many scriptures there is on this...here are some scriptures on hope for you to think about. I'd encourage you to think about them during the week as you meditate on this;

D&C 138:42 ...the Redeemer was anointed to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that were bound, were also there.
Ezekiel 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Luke 10:34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? (We still have and can have hope of a future with a family, even though we will slip and slide back a few times before the end. We just don't give up. We fight for it!)
Moroni 7:42 Wherefore, if a man have faith he must needs have hope; for without faith there cannot be any hope. (What is hope? Hope is the heart's desire for a future with Christ and with our family with him. That we will get back. Faith lets us step forward daily, but HOPE is what is helping us endure to the end.)

Hope
The confident expectation of and longing for the promised blessings of righteousness (in spite of our weaknesses). The scriptures often speak of hope as anticipation of eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ.

In other words...Ether 12:27,28
27 And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them. 28 Behold, I will show unto the Gentiles their weakness, and I will show unto them that faith, hope and charity bringeth unto me—the fountain of all righteousness.

I would NOT tell anyone. Don't tell a soul that you don't have to because what can happen then is the person feel so ashamed they'll not ever want to go to church again, or they'll lash out and decide to wreck as much havok as they can and bring the whole family down with them.

This is a good time to get your family back on family prayer, personal prayer, and scriptures daily both together and alone. After what you've experienced I would be trying to spiritually but not physically fight to save your family. But do so with humility and meekness not forcefulness or heavy voices. And if this is happening to your wife, it will be very easily infect other family members. You'll need to act fast before they are brought down into it too.

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Have any of you seen/read this article which of all places came from BYU researchers? Perhaps we're focused on the wrong thing when it comes to porn addiction. Maybe the worst thing the church has ever done is put so much emphasis on porn itself when the actual 'addiction' stems from the guilt and shame created by the church.

Interesting read regardless of where you sit on this issue.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wo ... ationships

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“Not everyone who uses pornography willfully is addicted to it,” points out Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. “In fact, most young men and young women who struggle with pornography are not addicted. That is a very important distinction to make—not just for the parents, spouses, and leaders who desire to help but also for those who struggle with this problem.
https://www.lds.org/ensign/2017/08/eigh ... y?lang=eng

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