Trump's Wall
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lundbaek
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Re: Trump's Wall
I should be apparent that probably most of those acting as advisers to President Trump are globalists, and as such do not want the wall, or anything else that will hinder the flow of people from Mexico into the United States. Mass migration into the United States is part of the conspiracy to facilitate the submersion of America under world government.
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Joel
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Re: Trump's Wall
We The People Will Fund The Wall: https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
Ladders to Get Over Trump's Wall: https://www.gofundme.com/ladders-to-get ... p039s-wall
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righteousrepublic
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Re: Trump's Wall
The building of a wall is unconstitutional.
Border patrol agents are unconstitutional.
Border patrol agents stopping Americans and asking if they are an American citizen is unconstitutional.
Border patrol agents stopping Americans and keeping them from moving freely down the road is unconstitutional.
Unreasonable searches and seizures performed by law enforcement are unconstitutional.
Unreasonable search and seizure
Definition
An unreasonable search and seizure is a search and seizure by a law enforcement officer without a search warrant and without probable cause to believe that evidence of a crime is present.
Overview
An unreasonable search and seizure is unconstitutional as it violates the Fourth Amendment. Further, evidence obtained from the unlawful search may not be introduced in court. This evidence is referred to as fruit of the poisonous tree. In Mapp v. Ohio, 347 U.S. 643 (1961), the Supreme Court held that exclusionary rule applies to evidence gained from an unreasonable search and seizure.
Remedies
Qualified Immunity
A defendant who has been subject to unreasonable search and seizure typically will have no remedy against the police officer who performed the search. This is due to qualified immunity, which is a doctrine that protects government employees when they perform certain actions pertinent to their occupations. A police officer who qualifies for qualified immunity is protected from being personally sued by the defendant.
Because of qualified immunity, the exclusionary rule is often a defendant's only remedy when police officers conduct an unreasonable search or violate the defendant's Miranda Rights. Qualified immunity usually will extend to officers who violate a defendant's constitutional or statutory rights.
Under qualified immunity, an officer may be sued only when no reasonable officer would believe that the officers' conduct was legal. This exception comes from both Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989) (stating an objective standard for reasonableness which "must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene") and Justice Ginsburg's concurrence in Saucier v. Katz, 533 U.S. 194 (2001) (stating that "an officer whose conduct is objectively unreasonable under Graham should find no shelter under a sequential qualified immunity test).
Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/unreaso ... nd_seizure
Fourth Amendment
The Fourth Amendment originally enforced the notion that “each man’s home is his castle”, secure from unreasonable searches and seizures of property by the government. It protects against arbitrary arrests, and is the basis of the law regarding search warrants, stop-and-frisk, safety inspections, wiretaps, and other forms of surveillance, as well as being central to many other criminal law topics and to privacy law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitutio ... _amendment
Border patrol agents are unconstitutional.
Border patrol agents stopping Americans and asking if they are an American citizen is unconstitutional.
Border patrol agents stopping Americans and keeping them from moving freely down the road is unconstitutional.
Unreasonable searches and seizures performed by law enforcement are unconstitutional.
Unreasonable search and seizure
Definition
An unreasonable search and seizure is a search and seizure by a law enforcement officer without a search warrant and without probable cause to believe that evidence of a crime is present.
Overview
An unreasonable search and seizure is unconstitutional as it violates the Fourth Amendment. Further, evidence obtained from the unlawful search may not be introduced in court. This evidence is referred to as fruit of the poisonous tree. In Mapp v. Ohio, 347 U.S. 643 (1961), the Supreme Court held that exclusionary rule applies to evidence gained from an unreasonable search and seizure.
Remedies
Qualified Immunity
A defendant who has been subject to unreasonable search and seizure typically will have no remedy against the police officer who performed the search. This is due to qualified immunity, which is a doctrine that protects government employees when they perform certain actions pertinent to their occupations. A police officer who qualifies for qualified immunity is protected from being personally sued by the defendant.
Because of qualified immunity, the exclusionary rule is often a defendant's only remedy when police officers conduct an unreasonable search or violate the defendant's Miranda Rights. Qualified immunity usually will extend to officers who violate a defendant's constitutional or statutory rights.
Under qualified immunity, an officer may be sued only when no reasonable officer would believe that the officers' conduct was legal. This exception comes from both Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989) (stating an objective standard for reasonableness which "must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene") and Justice Ginsburg's concurrence in Saucier v. Katz, 533 U.S. 194 (2001) (stating that "an officer whose conduct is objectively unreasonable under Graham should find no shelter under a sequential qualified immunity test).
Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/unreaso ... nd_seizure
Fourth Amendment
The Fourth Amendment originally enforced the notion that “each man’s home is his castle”, secure from unreasonable searches and seizures of property by the government. It protects against arbitrary arrests, and is the basis of the law regarding search warrants, stop-and-frisk, safety inspections, wiretaps, and other forms of surveillance, as well as being central to many other criminal law topics and to privacy law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitutio ... _amendment
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djinwa
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Re: Trump's Wall
Why does the solution from our government for every problem have to involve increased spending? Of course, corporations and contractors will benefit greatly from building a wall.
Here's a novel idea. Instead of spending more, how about cutting the welfare available after they cross the border?
We make coming here as attractive as possible, and can't figure out why they try so hard to get here.
If you have a problem with mice and cockroaches, don't leave food laying around for them.
Here's another idea. Instead of our troops being across the globe creating more enemies, how about putting them on the border to defend our country. Imagine that - our defense department getting involved with defense.
But then, how can contractors sell more bombs if we aren't blowing them up 6,000 miles away?
Here's another idea. Our youth are fat and lazy. How about bussing them out to the farms and construction sites to do the work the illegals are doing.
Not going to happen. We want the cheap labor. It is all about money.
Here's a novel idea. Instead of spending more, how about cutting the welfare available after they cross the border?
We make coming here as attractive as possible, and can't figure out why they try so hard to get here.
If you have a problem with mice and cockroaches, don't leave food laying around for them.
Here's another idea. Instead of our troops being across the globe creating more enemies, how about putting them on the border to defend our country. Imagine that - our defense department getting involved with defense.
But then, how can contractors sell more bombs if we aren't blowing them up 6,000 miles away?
Here's another idea. Our youth are fat and lazy. How about bussing them out to the farms and construction sites to do the work the illegals are doing.
Not going to happen. We want the cheap labor. It is all about money.
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julietbaney
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Re: Trump's Wall
the west are showing it to expose how evil an act this was. The young woman starting screaming for her mother as they began to cut her head off. That is all I will share on this. However, while I say that it only goes to show that Trump was right about his policies in Syria. Now that we are pulling out, having, along with Russia, weakened the terrorists, this will give the Syrian military the ability to finally finish the job. The Syrian people have been the victims of a huge proxy war and many have been subjected to unspeakable atrocities.
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lundbaek
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Re: Trump's Wall
As I understand, the purpose of immigration barriers and restrictions is to prevent people from settling in a country who would destroy it in any of several ways. Certain powerful people actively fomenting the immigration and migrations that America is currently beset with have as at least a big part of their goal the continued destruction of the constitutional republican government that the Lord intended Americans to live under and its replacement with a highly centralized socialist government under their control.
Following is an organization of statements that tell me that the principles of the Constitution are/were intended to reverberate to other nations by the example set in the first place by Latter-day Saints, and then by American voters and government. The page numbers are in the book A GLORIOUS STANDARD by Christopher S. Bentley, which is my source for these quotes. Already it appears this may be a lost cause for now - until after the "cleansing".
And now, verily I say unto you concerning the laws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them. And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me. Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land; And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil. (August 6, 1833, Doctrine and Covenants 98:4-7) [The] laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established…, should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles…. And for this purpose have I [the Lord] established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of A Free People By The Power Of The Father 15 wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose. (The Lord Jesus Christ, December 16, 1833, Doctrine and Covenants 101:77, 80) [Page 14]
Have mercy, O Lord, upon all the nations of the earth; have mercy upon the rulers of our land; may those principles, which were so honorably and nobly defended, namely, the Constitution of our land, by our fathers, be established forever. (Joseph Smith, March 27, 1836, Doctrine and Covenants 109:54, Dedicatory Prayer of the Kirtland Temple) [Page 16]
[T]he government of the United States was begun under the direction of our Father in heaven, as declared by his own word of mouth to be an ensample unto the nations of the earth, and the liberties that we enjoy are pointed out in a most forceful way to the children of men…. Today this wonderful land is not only a land of liberty and hope to us, but there goes out from these shores across the mighty ocean to other peoples encouragement in the struggle that they are making, that they may have something to do with the government that directs their destinies. (George Albert Smith, September 15, 1918, Journal History of the Church, 4) [Page 34-35]
[T]hose 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence, those who drew up the Constitution of the United States nine years later, gave to the world a concept of government which, if applied, will strike from the arms of downtrodden humanity the shackles of tyranny, and give hope, ambition, and freedom to the teeming millions throughout the world. (President David O. Mckay, Statements on Communism, 1964) [Page 40]
[The] Constitution of the United States is the basic law for all of the Americas, of Zion, as it has been defined by the Lord…. [The] great essentials of that document, the Constitution of the United States, which God Himself inspired, is the law of Zion, the Americas. So, Brethren, I wish you to understand that when we begin to tamper with the Constitution we begin to tamper with the law of Zion which God Himself set up, and no one may trifle with the word of God with impunity. (President J. Reuben Clark, October 1942, General Conference) [Page 43]
Freedom will be established for the entire human race. Therefore, it should come as no surprise to Latter-day Saints that the Lord has already established the political foundation upon which it will be built: the Constitution of the United States. Isaiah called it the law of Zion (Isaiah 2:3). Indeed, this is why the Lord told us through his Prophet Joseph Smith that the Constitution should be “maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh” (D&C 101:77), and that this sacred “principle of freedom… belongs to all mankind” (D&C 98:5). [Christopher S. Bentley, author and compiler of A GLORIOUS STANDARD FOR ALL MANKIND, Page 140]
The Lord Jesus Christ And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me. (August 6, 1833, Doctrine and Covenants 98:5) [The] laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established…should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh. (The Lord Jesus Christ, December 16, 1833, Doctrine and Covenants 101:77) [Page 142]
Joseph Smith Have mercy, O Lord, upon all the nations of the earth; have mercy upon the rulers of our land; may those principles, which were so honorably and nobly defended, namely, the Constitution of our land, by our fathers, be established forever.(Joseph Smith, March 27, 1836, Doctrine and Covenants 109:54, Dedicatory Prayer of the Kirtland Temple) [Page 142] [Page 142]
I believe in a true republican theocracy…. What do I understand by a theocratic government? One in which all laws are enacted and executed in righteousness, and whose officers possess that power which proceedeth from the Almighty. That is the kind of government I allude to when I speak of a theocratic government, or the Kingdom of God upon the earth…. [Few], if any, understand what a theocratic government is. In every sense of the word, it is a republican government…but its subjects will recognize the will and dictation of the Almighty…. The Constitution and laws of the United States resemble a theocracy more closely than any government now on the earth…. The kingdom of God will be extended over the earth; and it is written, “I will make thine officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.” [Isaiah 60:17] Is that day ever coming? It is; and the doctrine we preach leads to that point. Even now the form of the Government of the United States differs but little from that of the kingdom of God…. 144 A Glorious Standard Whoever lives to see the Kingdom of God fully established upon the earth will see a government that will protect every person in his rights…[every] class of worshipers most strictly protected in all their municipal rights and in the privileges of worshiping who, what, and when they pleased, not infringing upon the rights of others. Does any candid person in his sound judgment desire any greater liberty? (July 31, 1859, Journal of Discourses, 6:342-343, 345, 346-347) I expect to see the day when the Elders of Israel will protect and sustain civil and religious liberty and every constitutional right bequeathed to us by our fathers, and spread those rights abroad in connection with the Gospel for the salvation of all nations. I shall see this whether I live or die. (Brigham Young, July 28, 1866, Journal of Discourses, 11:262-263) [Page 143-144]
Orson Pratt It was for this purpose, then, that a republic was organized upon this continent to prepare the way for a kingdom which shall have dominion over all the earth to the ends thereof. (Orson Pratt, July 8, 1855, Journal of Discourses, 3:73) [Page 144]
[T]he Elders of Israel…have something to do with the world politically as well as religiously, that it is as much their duty to study correct political principles as well as religious…to know and comprehend the social and political interests of man, and to learn and be able to teach that which would be best calculated to promote the interests of the world. (April 13, 1862, Journal of Discourses, 9:340) I want a principle that will maintain, uphold, and stand by the rights of man, giving to all men everywhere equal rights, and that will preserve inviolate the fundamental principles of the Constitution of our country. (March 31, 1867, Journal of Discourses, 11:343) The worst wish we have to the human family is that the principles enunciated in our Constitution may reverberate over the wide earth, and spread from shore to shore, until all mankind shall be free. (Orson Pratt, December 17, 1871, Journal of Discourses, 14:267) [Page 146]
Besides the preaching of the Gospel, we have another mission, namely, the perpetuation of the free agency of man and the maintenance of liberty, freedom, and the rights of man…. The Declaration of Independence states that men are in possession of certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This belongs to us; it belongs to all humanity. I wish, and the worst wish I have for the United States, is, that they could have liberality enough to give to all men equal rights…. (Orson Pratt, April 9, 1882, Journal of Discourses, 23:63) [Page 148]
Melvin J. Ballard I want my young brethren and sisters to feel that the institutions founded and established in America are Godgiven; the constitution of the United States is a revelation from the Lord, for all the earth, and not only for America; and that the Lord has committed unto this land the mission of lifting up an ensign to the nations of the earth. (April 1917, General Conference) [The] Lord established the Constitution of the United States for the blessing of all flesh. In my soul I believe that that is part of the great Kingdom of God, the political part, for Jesus was to come as “King of kings and Lord of lords.” In the capacity of King of kings he rules in a political way, Belongs To All Mankind 151 and as Lord of lords in a spiritual way. He is the greatest statesman the world has ever seen, and that great kingdom, cut out of the mountain without hands, founded by God, has been rolling forth. Let me tell you, my weak-kneed brethren and sisters, if there are any of you here, take courage, for God’s word shall not fail when he predicted that the instrument known as the Constitution of the United States, the Spirit of Liberty established here by a few weak colonists, was his order of things for the government of men, and it should roll forth to fill the whole earth.(Melvin J. Ballard, October 1918, General Conference) [Page 150-151]
J. Reuben Clark The Constitution and its free institutions must be our ensign. For America has a destiny—a destiny to conquer the world,—not by force of arms, not by purchase and favor, for these conquests wash away, but by high purpose, by unselfish effort, by uplifting achievement, by a course of Christian living; a conquest that shall leave every nation free to move out to its own destiny; a conquest that shall bring, through the workings of our own example, the blessings of freedom and liberty to every people, without restraint or imposition or compulsion from us; a conquest that shall weld the whole earth together in one great brotherhood in a reign of mutual patience, forbearance, and charity, in a reign of peace to which we shall lead all others by the persuasion of our own righteous example. (J. Reuben Clark, February 24, 1944, Los Angeles, California) [Page 152]
Harold B. Lee The question is now whether or not we can make a Republican form of government work, not merely for America but for the world, as all other nations under Heaven may be persuaded of the blessings of freedom enjoyed by the people of this land and to adopt similar governmental systems, thus fulfilling the ancient prophecy of Isaiah “that out of Zion might go forth the law and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.” (Harold B. Lee, address delivered May 31, 1953, and published June 6, 1953, Church News, “I Dare You to Believe,”
In the wisdom of the Almighty, this ensign of liberty was raised to the nations to fulfill an ancient prophecy that “out of Zion [should] go forth the law, and the word of the Belongs To All Mankind 153 Lord from Jerusalem” (Isaiah 2:3). How could this be? The answer is clear: through the Constitution, kings and rulers and the peoples of all nations under heaven may be informed of the blessings enjoyed by the people of this land of Zion by reason of their freedom under Divine guidance, and be constrained to adopt similar governmental systems and thus fulfill the ancient law to which I have already referred. (Harold B. Lee, November 25, 1963, Salt Lake Tabernacle) [Page 152-153]
Ezra Taft Benson This is a great and glorious nation, with a God-given, divine mission to perform for liberty-loving people everywhere. This mission cannot be performed unless America is kept strong and virile, unless this people adhere to those eternal principles embodied in the gospel and in the Constitution of our land. (Ezra Taft Benson, April 1953, General Conference) [Page 153-154]
Following is an organization of statements that tell me that the principles of the Constitution are/were intended to reverberate to other nations by the example set in the first place by Latter-day Saints, and then by American voters and government. The page numbers are in the book A GLORIOUS STANDARD by Christopher S. Bentley, which is my source for these quotes. Already it appears this may be a lost cause for now - until after the "cleansing".
And now, verily I say unto you concerning the laws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them. And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me. Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land; And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil. (August 6, 1833, Doctrine and Covenants 98:4-7) [The] laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established…, should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles…. And for this purpose have I [the Lord] established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of A Free People By The Power Of The Father 15 wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose. (The Lord Jesus Christ, December 16, 1833, Doctrine and Covenants 101:77, 80) [Page 14]
Have mercy, O Lord, upon all the nations of the earth; have mercy upon the rulers of our land; may those principles, which were so honorably and nobly defended, namely, the Constitution of our land, by our fathers, be established forever. (Joseph Smith, March 27, 1836, Doctrine and Covenants 109:54, Dedicatory Prayer of the Kirtland Temple) [Page 16]
[T]he government of the United States was begun under the direction of our Father in heaven, as declared by his own word of mouth to be an ensample unto the nations of the earth, and the liberties that we enjoy are pointed out in a most forceful way to the children of men…. Today this wonderful land is not only a land of liberty and hope to us, but there goes out from these shores across the mighty ocean to other peoples encouragement in the struggle that they are making, that they may have something to do with the government that directs their destinies. (George Albert Smith, September 15, 1918, Journal History of the Church, 4) [Page 34-35]
[T]hose 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence, those who drew up the Constitution of the United States nine years later, gave to the world a concept of government which, if applied, will strike from the arms of downtrodden humanity the shackles of tyranny, and give hope, ambition, and freedom to the teeming millions throughout the world. (President David O. Mckay, Statements on Communism, 1964) [Page 40]
[The] Constitution of the United States is the basic law for all of the Americas, of Zion, as it has been defined by the Lord…. [The] great essentials of that document, the Constitution of the United States, which God Himself inspired, is the law of Zion, the Americas. So, Brethren, I wish you to understand that when we begin to tamper with the Constitution we begin to tamper with the law of Zion which God Himself set up, and no one may trifle with the word of God with impunity. (President J. Reuben Clark, October 1942, General Conference) [Page 43]
Freedom will be established for the entire human race. Therefore, it should come as no surprise to Latter-day Saints that the Lord has already established the political foundation upon which it will be built: the Constitution of the United States. Isaiah called it the law of Zion (Isaiah 2:3). Indeed, this is why the Lord told us through his Prophet Joseph Smith that the Constitution should be “maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh” (D&C 101:77), and that this sacred “principle of freedom… belongs to all mankind” (D&C 98:5). [Christopher S. Bentley, author and compiler of A GLORIOUS STANDARD FOR ALL MANKIND, Page 140]
The Lord Jesus Christ And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me. (August 6, 1833, Doctrine and Covenants 98:5) [The] laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established…should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh. (The Lord Jesus Christ, December 16, 1833, Doctrine and Covenants 101:77) [Page 142]
Joseph Smith Have mercy, O Lord, upon all the nations of the earth; have mercy upon the rulers of our land; may those principles, which were so honorably and nobly defended, namely, the Constitution of our land, by our fathers, be established forever.(Joseph Smith, March 27, 1836, Doctrine and Covenants 109:54, Dedicatory Prayer of the Kirtland Temple) [Page 142] [Page 142]
I believe in a true republican theocracy…. What do I understand by a theocratic government? One in which all laws are enacted and executed in righteousness, and whose officers possess that power which proceedeth from the Almighty. That is the kind of government I allude to when I speak of a theocratic government, or the Kingdom of God upon the earth…. [Few], if any, understand what a theocratic government is. In every sense of the word, it is a republican government…but its subjects will recognize the will and dictation of the Almighty…. The Constitution and laws of the United States resemble a theocracy more closely than any government now on the earth…. The kingdom of God will be extended over the earth; and it is written, “I will make thine officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.” [Isaiah 60:17] Is that day ever coming? It is; and the doctrine we preach leads to that point. Even now the form of the Government of the United States differs but little from that of the kingdom of God…. 144 A Glorious Standard Whoever lives to see the Kingdom of God fully established upon the earth will see a government that will protect every person in his rights…[every] class of worshipers most strictly protected in all their municipal rights and in the privileges of worshiping who, what, and when they pleased, not infringing upon the rights of others. Does any candid person in his sound judgment desire any greater liberty? (July 31, 1859, Journal of Discourses, 6:342-343, 345, 346-347) I expect to see the day when the Elders of Israel will protect and sustain civil and religious liberty and every constitutional right bequeathed to us by our fathers, and spread those rights abroad in connection with the Gospel for the salvation of all nations. I shall see this whether I live or die. (Brigham Young, July 28, 1866, Journal of Discourses, 11:262-263) [Page 143-144]
Orson Pratt It was for this purpose, then, that a republic was organized upon this continent to prepare the way for a kingdom which shall have dominion over all the earth to the ends thereof. (Orson Pratt, July 8, 1855, Journal of Discourses, 3:73) [Page 144]
[T]he Elders of Israel…have something to do with the world politically as well as religiously, that it is as much their duty to study correct political principles as well as religious…to know and comprehend the social and political interests of man, and to learn and be able to teach that which would be best calculated to promote the interests of the world. (April 13, 1862, Journal of Discourses, 9:340) I want a principle that will maintain, uphold, and stand by the rights of man, giving to all men everywhere equal rights, and that will preserve inviolate the fundamental principles of the Constitution of our country. (March 31, 1867, Journal of Discourses, 11:343) The worst wish we have to the human family is that the principles enunciated in our Constitution may reverberate over the wide earth, and spread from shore to shore, until all mankind shall be free. (Orson Pratt, December 17, 1871, Journal of Discourses, 14:267) [Page 146]
Besides the preaching of the Gospel, we have another mission, namely, the perpetuation of the free agency of man and the maintenance of liberty, freedom, and the rights of man…. The Declaration of Independence states that men are in possession of certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This belongs to us; it belongs to all humanity. I wish, and the worst wish I have for the United States, is, that they could have liberality enough to give to all men equal rights…. (Orson Pratt, April 9, 1882, Journal of Discourses, 23:63) [Page 148]
Melvin J. Ballard I want my young brethren and sisters to feel that the institutions founded and established in America are Godgiven; the constitution of the United States is a revelation from the Lord, for all the earth, and not only for America; and that the Lord has committed unto this land the mission of lifting up an ensign to the nations of the earth. (April 1917, General Conference) [The] Lord established the Constitution of the United States for the blessing of all flesh. In my soul I believe that that is part of the great Kingdom of God, the political part, for Jesus was to come as “King of kings and Lord of lords.” In the capacity of King of kings he rules in a political way, Belongs To All Mankind 151 and as Lord of lords in a spiritual way. He is the greatest statesman the world has ever seen, and that great kingdom, cut out of the mountain without hands, founded by God, has been rolling forth. Let me tell you, my weak-kneed brethren and sisters, if there are any of you here, take courage, for God’s word shall not fail when he predicted that the instrument known as the Constitution of the United States, the Spirit of Liberty established here by a few weak colonists, was his order of things for the government of men, and it should roll forth to fill the whole earth.(Melvin J. Ballard, October 1918, General Conference) [Page 150-151]
J. Reuben Clark The Constitution and its free institutions must be our ensign. For America has a destiny—a destiny to conquer the world,—not by force of arms, not by purchase and favor, for these conquests wash away, but by high purpose, by unselfish effort, by uplifting achievement, by a course of Christian living; a conquest that shall leave every nation free to move out to its own destiny; a conquest that shall bring, through the workings of our own example, the blessings of freedom and liberty to every people, without restraint or imposition or compulsion from us; a conquest that shall weld the whole earth together in one great brotherhood in a reign of mutual patience, forbearance, and charity, in a reign of peace to which we shall lead all others by the persuasion of our own righteous example. (J. Reuben Clark, February 24, 1944, Los Angeles, California) [Page 152]
Harold B. Lee The question is now whether or not we can make a Republican form of government work, not merely for America but for the world, as all other nations under Heaven may be persuaded of the blessings of freedom enjoyed by the people of this land and to adopt similar governmental systems, thus fulfilling the ancient prophecy of Isaiah “that out of Zion might go forth the law and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.” (Harold B. Lee, address delivered May 31, 1953, and published June 6, 1953, Church News, “I Dare You to Believe,”
In the wisdom of the Almighty, this ensign of liberty was raised to the nations to fulfill an ancient prophecy that “out of Zion [should] go forth the law, and the word of the Belongs To All Mankind 153 Lord from Jerusalem” (Isaiah 2:3). How could this be? The answer is clear: through the Constitution, kings and rulers and the peoples of all nations under heaven may be informed of the blessings enjoyed by the people of this land of Zion by reason of their freedom under Divine guidance, and be constrained to adopt similar governmental systems and thus fulfill the ancient law to which I have already referred. (Harold B. Lee, November 25, 1963, Salt Lake Tabernacle) [Page 152-153]
Ezra Taft Benson This is a great and glorious nation, with a God-given, divine mission to perform for liberty-loving people everywhere. This mission cannot be performed unless America is kept strong and virile, unless this people adhere to those eternal principles embodied in the gospel and in the Constitution of our land. (Ezra Taft Benson, April 1953, General Conference) [Page 153-154]
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Joel
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President Trump Considering National Emergency Declaration for Border Wall
gotta resist the power grabs
April 8, 1952: President Truman Seizes The Steel Mills
This week marks the 65th anniversary of what was to become a turning point in constitutional history, President Harry S. Truman’s order seizing the nation’s steel mills during a labor dispute. Allen Pusey has an article on the episode at the ABA Journal.
The case was to result in the Supreme Court’s 6-3 decision later the same year in Youngstown Sheet & Tube v. Sawyer, rebuking Truman for his lawless action. It was one of American history’s key wins for the successful assertion of a Constitutional rule of law that binds the executive branch as against claims of inherent emergency power.
But Truman’s audacious behavior was itself based on the adventures in Caesarism of earlier presidents going back at least to Woodrow Wilson, and especially those of his immediate predecessor, Franklin D. Roosevelt. Among other wartime acts of seizure defended on national security rationales, Roosevelt had sent in armed troops on Dec. 27, 1944 to seize (on grounds of defiance of war labor advisories) the Chicago-based catalog and retail company Montgomery Ward. Known for its clothes and household items, Montgomery Ward was almost no one’s idea of a vital war industry. But its head, businessman Sewell Avery, had made himself a leading thorn in FDR’s side in opposition to the President’s New Deal policies. A famous photo showed Sewell Avery being carried bodily out on the street by military men while sitting in his executive chair.
Truman’s lawyers pointed to the various earlier seizures to back their view that a President simply must possess such powers as chief executive and commander in chief, certainly in wartime. (The Korean War was in progress.) Pusey:
…the government pressed the issue of constitutional authority. Before an astonished federal judge, lawyers argued that a president has unlimited power in a national crisis and the power to define that crisis. That executive authority had been ratified, they said, by decades of judicial silence on the matter.
Judge David A. Pine’s ruling was blunt: “Apparently, according to [the government’s] theory, several repetitive, unchallenged, illegal acts sanctify those committed thereafter. I disagree.”
When the case reached the high court, it was the concurrence by Justice Robert Jackson – himself a New Dealer – that was to go echoing down as one of the Court’s great pronouncements:
The example of such unlimited executive power that must have most impressed the forefathers was the prerogative exercised by George III, and the description of its evils in the Declaration of Independence leads me to doubt that they were creating their new Executive in his image. Continental European examples were no more appealing. And if we seek instruction from our own times, we can match it only from the executive powers in those governments we disparagingly describe as totalitarian. I cannot accept the view that this clause is a grant in bulk of all conceivable executive power…
This is a story that could easily have had an unhappy ending. Truman apparently expected to win the showdown, and the Court itself was full of New Dealers, many of whom had shown much deference to the government. Instead, the steel seizure cases came to stand as a milestone in constitutional law, making clear that claims of emergency, even in wartime, do not justify whatever assertions of arbitrary power a President may care to make. That’s worth celebrating these many years later.
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"But I just want to say I want to get to the real issue at hand. The Democrats are fighting for illegal aliens. Donald Trump is fighting for American citizens. That's what this whole thing is about. You have covered this better than probably anybody for years. You understand this is about sovereignty. It's about working men and women. It's about safe communities. It's about wages, living conditions, quality of life. This is the battle right now right before our very eyes. We are going to win because Donald Trump is not backing down. " Stephen Miller
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Will there be a civil war if Trump gets impeached? Will Constitutionalists stand for Communist takeover of our country?eddie wrote: ↑January 10th, 2019, 4:01 pm "But I just want to say I want to get to the real issue at hand. The Democrats are fighting for illegal aliens. Donald Trump is fighting for American citizens. That's what this whole thing is about. You have covered this better than probably anybody for years. You understand this is about sovereignty. It's about working men and women. It's about safe communities. It's about wages, living conditions, quality of life. This is the battle right now right before our very eyes. We are going to win because Donald Trump is not backing down. " Stephen Miller
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Well, true, a wall is to keep people out, and people inside safe.
It's also to keep people IN. Like, keep Americans controlled/ unable to flee to Mexico.
"But Johnny, no one wants to do that! No one would do that!"
I agree with you--not right now they wouldn't.
It COULD be built like Israel's wall, and cost 1/100 or whatever small fraction of the cost of what's been proposed. If Trump really wanted to make it good, I've thought of a few ways that could be done much more cheaply than it is now, yet very effective. And without people manning every part of it.
It's also to keep people IN. Like, keep Americans controlled/ unable to flee to Mexico.
"But Johnny, no one wants to do that! No one would do that!"
I agree with you--not right now they wouldn't.
It COULD be built like Israel's wall, and cost 1/100 or whatever small fraction of the cost of what's been proposed. If Trump really wanted to make it good, I've thought of a few ways that could be done much more cheaply than it is now, yet very effective. And without people manning every part of it.
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The Border Wall and Emergency Powers: Good Morning Liberty 01-11-19
The border wall - and the partial "shutdown" is getting coverage all over. On this episode of Good Morning Liberty, Michael Boldin discusses the views of three experts on the issue - one constitutional attorney and two constitutional scholars and law professors. They all take a different approach but come to similar conclusions.
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Re: The Border Wall and Emergency Powers: Good Morning Liberty 01-11-19
And what are those conclusions?Joel wrote: ↑January 11th, 2019, 4:28 pm The border wall - and the partial "shutdown" is getting coverage all over. On this episode of Good Morning Liberty, Michael Boldin discusses the views of three experts on the issue - one constitutional attorney and two constitutional scholars and law professors. They all take a different approach but come to similar conclusions.
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Build the wall, all the way around Zion!!!! When the lord takes over we can open the gates to all. Until then we can use the infrastructure to monitor our border.
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