The Earth is Not a Globe!?! Is God literal, water above and below the firmament?

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What do the scriptures teach us about the earth?

The Earth is a globe.
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The Earth is Flat like a terrarium (a dome).
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The Earth is a globe and hollow.
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The Earth is Flat and hollow.
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Postby Silver » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:32 am

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Never thought I would agree with RH on anything pertaining to this issue, but he's right about one thing. That an astronaut happens to be LDS is about the dumbest reason to conclude that the earth is a globe that I can imagine.
Wow, extrapolate much? Just because I said I doubted that a Mormon astronaut would lie to me, it doesn't mean that I have no other reason for believing the earth is a sphere.

Here, for you, Mr. Conclusion-Jumper, is what I wrote on January 5th in this very thread:

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"Well, I didn't think this discussion would last this long, but since it has:

Did the astronauts really go to the moon?

When astronauts go up in space, to the moon for example, is it true they circle Earth and observe that it is a globe?

If Earth is not a globe, is it possible the astronauts know this and are a part of a grand conspiracy to keep the public uninformed?

If there is this grand conspiracy to deceive the unwashed masses, who profits from it?

How would it hurt the public to know that the Earth is flat?

If the public learns that the Earth is flat, what would be the consequences? (For example, funding would be cut from all the various space programs and thousands of people would be prosecuted for perpetrating a fraud on society.)

Is it really possible that thousands of people are in on a secret of this scale and significance without revealing it to their parents, spouses, siblings, children, clergymen, best friends and bartenders?

Disclaimer: I'm not a science guy. I probably got some technical terms messed up. If you are kind enough to respond to me, please explain things just like you would to a 3rd grader."
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Postby Robin Hood » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:17 am

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Robin Hood,
am very grateful for my university education, where I studied environmental science, because it taught me to question and examine everything, irrespective of the perceived wisdom or the acknowledged concensus.
Do you have as many doubts about "man made" Global warming as you do about a spherical earth?

Do you reject the conclusions of the faked data from the University of East Angiia, as readily as you expect those of us who have looked people in the eyes, who have become good friends and personally know people (me with the nephew of Auguste Piccard, and Silver with his friend the Astronaut in his ward) who are being smeared here in order to promote a completely false narrative of liars and conspiracy in NASA and among explorers and scientists, which is the only way to even make a ridiculous case for a flat earth?

So let me get this straight Environmental Science... Solid science by honorable scientists with no agenda, NASA a lying corrupt organization... Right

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George,
From what I have studied and observed, I do not fully concur with the current explanation for climate change.
Anyone who studies all of the data, including historical data, closely will, in my view, conclude that the climate has changed over the past few decades. However, the reasons for that change are not fully known, except that we know that a changing climate is the norm.
Atmospheric CO2 levels clearly could play a part, though it is quite an inefficient greenhouse gas. Methane, for example, is much more potent in this regard. The explosion in livestock farming should be of greater concern to us than petrol powered vehicles, in my view. Oil reserves are diminishing, but the demand for meat and dairy products is increasing significantly; especially as China develops a taste for protein.

I have not smeared anyone. All I said was that we put too much faith in others.
Knowing someone who knows someone who claims to know something, does not constitute reasonable evidence, let alone proof. If you think it does, be my guest. Personally I think it qualifies as what the scriptures would call "every wind of doctrine".

NASA have clearly, by their own admission, been involved in a certain degree of deception. Their website now carries a disclaimer that the images of the earth they have produced are just that... images; not photographs. They didn't do that in the past and have been obliged to do it now because the cat was let out of the bag by one of their own. This doesn't mean that all NASA operatives are deceptive, and I certainly wouldn't tar them all with the same brush. But clearly some elements within the organization were a little economical with the truth when they had the opportunity to be otherwise.
This doesn't mean they are faking everything or even nearly everything, but it does bring into question their reliability.

George, you really should read what I have said, instead of what you think I have said.
Repeating myself is rather tedious.

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Postby gclayjr » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:52 am

Robin Hood,

Then can I conclude that you do not support the idea of raising massive taxes on CO2, fossil fuels, and otherwise penalizing people and industry because of their contributions to climate change?

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Postby Robin Hood » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:58 am

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Robin Hood,

Then can I conclude that you do not support the idea of raising massive taxes on CO2, fossil fuels, and otherwise penalizing people and industry because of their contributions to climate change?

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George Clay
And I would conclude that you, being a patriotic American, would also be opposed to such taxes.
After all, was it not the arbitrary imposition of taxes that ultimately led to the revolutionary war?

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Postby gclayjr » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:08 am

Robin Hood,
And I would conclude that you, being a patriotic American, would also be opposed to such taxes.
After all, was it not the arbitrary imposition of taxes that ultimately led to the revolutionary war?
Of course, I am surprised that you even have to ask. I am so obviously conservative with libertarian leanings that I would have thought that to be obvious..

But what about you?

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Postby gclayjr » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:24 am

Robin Hood,
Knowing someone who knows someone who claims to know something, does not constitute reasonable evidence, let alone proof. If you think it does, be my guest. Personally I think it qualifies as what the scriptures would call "every wind of doctrine".
Why do you think God had 11 witnesses to the book of Mormon?

On one hand, you say that you don't accept the words of others and have to see for yourself, but if you trust nobody and only accept what you personally observe, you know very little.

I got to know my friend Jean ( he called himself John) very well. I learned a lot about his character over the years of my friendship. I think that I can trust what Learned about his father and uncle's ballooning explorations from the many discussions I had with a trusted friend a lot more , than what Kitkat inferred by reading brief PS article.

We have many witnesses to many things, whether people or writings. One of the most important things we use to make our decisions is to evaluate the character of either the person, or the source of written thought. I would think that that is obvious. I would suspect that Silver got a lot of chance to get to know his fellow Ward Elder who was an astronaut, and it is very right and proper to use that judgment of character to determine whether what he says is true or just a lie! That is "REASONABLE EVIDENCE!

I am quite confused about our new president Trump. We live in a world where "Fake news" abounds, and opinion that is hoisted as news is all over the place. I guarantee you that if I either knew president Trump personally, or had a good friend that I respected who knew him well, I would with much more confidence be able to form my own opinion of him.

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Postby Robin Hood » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:21 am

gclayjr wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:24 am
Robin Hood,
Knowing someone who knows someone who claims to know something, does not constitute reasonable evidence, let alone proof. If you think it does, be my guest. Personally I think it qualifies as what the scriptures would call "every wind of doctrine".
Why do you think God had 11 witnesses to the book of Mormon?


This is getting silly now George.
If you don't know the answer to this then I can't help you I'm afraid.

The 11 witnesses are there to encourage us to seek and obtain our own witness, not to replace it.

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Postby shadow » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:40 am

Robin Hood wrote:
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I"m quite sure the scientists of 1000 years ago had exactly the same attitude.
Scientists of 1000 years ago, even some scientists 2500 years ago had already figured out the earth was not flat. Regardless of NASA, the scientific community already KNEW the earth was NOT flat.

Spherical Earth
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the history. For the mathematics, see Earth radius.

Medieval artistic representation of a spherical Earth – with compartments representing earth, air, and water (c. 1400).
The earliest reliably documented mention of the spherical Earth concept dates from around the 6th century BC when it appeared in ancient Greek philosophy[1][2] but remained a matter of speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the Earth as a physical given. The paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.[3][4][5][6] A practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastián Elcano's expedition's circumnavigation (1519−1522).[7]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
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Postby JohnnyL » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:36 am

Wow, this is one of the wildest threads I've ever been on. Reminds me of a pack of rabid JW's (mission experience).

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Postby Robin Hood » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:38 am

George,
In answer to your question, I would describe myself as a conservative.
Having said that, the EU referendum (Brexit) was the first time I have voted in years. I was very pleased with the outcome; though I am generally suspicious of all politicians and the parties they represent.
The whole thing is one massive slight of hand in my view.

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Postby iWriteStuff » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:44 am

JohnnyL wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:36 am
Wow, this is one of the wildest threads I've ever been on. Reminds me of a pack of rabid JW's (mission experience).
You served a mission for the Jehovah's Witnesses?

Suddenly it all makes sense! :o)
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Postby gclayjr » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:45 am

Robin Hood,
In answer to your question, I would describe myself as a conservative.
I am pleasantly surprised. First that someone who is conservative is inside the bureaucracy of environmental enforcement, and that my aged 65 year old mind that somehow thought that you had supported some sort of Democratic Socialism, or Social Democracy or whatever was faulty.

Welcome aboard!

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Postby Silver Pie » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:24 pm

iWriteStuff wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:44 am
JohnnyL wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:36 am
Wow, this is one of the wildest threads I've ever been on. Reminds me of a pack of rabid JW's (mission experience).
You served a mission for the Jehovah's Witnesses?

Suddenly it all makes sense! :o)
:)) :))
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Postby NinjaForJesus » Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:18 pm

Help me understand this please.

We have the following information:
Danyang-Kunshan Grand Bridge China
102.4 miles long

10,485.76 x 8/12 = 6,990.50
This bridge would have a round earth spherical drop of just shy of 7,000 feet from one end to the other.

Would it be possible to see one end from the other with a close to 7,000 foot drop from a curvature of the earth?
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Postby kenssurplus » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:06 pm

NinjaForJesus wrote:
Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:18 pm
Help me understand this please.

We have the following information:
Danyang-Kunshan Grand Bridge China
102.4 miles long

10,485.76 x 8/12 = 6,990.50
This bridge would have a round earth spherical drop of just shy of 7,000 feet from one end to the other.

Would it be possible to see one end from the other with a close to 7,000 foot drop from a curvature of the earth?
Although I am not quite sure about the specifics of your question, I think this is related enough to share:
This was originally posted by Joel, here:viewtopic.php?f=3&t=42076&sid=3c1d8008d ... 60#p779256
Doctrine and Covenants 6:34,36
34 Therefore, fear not, little flock; do good; let earth and hell combine against you, for if ye are built upon my rock, they cannot prevail.
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Postby gclayjr » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:23 pm

NInjaForJesus,

Interesting gambit but as the following quote says
Although the battle still rages on in some corners of the blogosphere, I think we can safely say, the earth is actually round. But the reason Danyang–Kunshan bridge has been getting a mention, is that when building it, the designers had to account for the curvature of the earth because it is so very long.

Although this will not convert the flat earth brigade to the way of the globe, it does kind of prove them wrong. Although the battle still rages on in some corners of the blogosphere, I think we can safely say, the earth is actually round. But the reason Danyang–Kunshan bridge has been getting a mention, is that when building it, the designers had to account for the curvature of the earth because it is so very long.

Although this will not convert the flat earth brigade to the way of the globe, it does kind of prove them wrong. But that doesn’t matter if you believe something utterly bonkers, does it?
again, but to those who believe something completely bonkers it won't matter. It is frustrating to try and have a conversation with these flat earthers, because NOTHING will convince them. Most of their justifications are based upon grand conspiracies, so I'm sure that with a country like China, it will be easy to construct a conspiracy for the godless Chinese to fake the information about the construction of the bridge in order to continue to promote that unbiblical idea of a spherical earth.


Regards,

George Clay

PS: Flat earthers have a theory that light only travels so far, and that the sun is tiny, and only a few miles up in the sky. That is not only how they explain that you cannot see long distances, but how it can be light in New York, and Dark in Auckland New Zealand at the same time ( I picked New Zealand, because I have worked there)

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Postby braingrunt » Mon May 01, 2017 5:55 am

NinjaForJesus wrote:
Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:18 pm
Help me understand this please.

We have the following information:
Danyang-Kunshan Grand Bridge China
102.4 miles long

10,485.76 x 8/12 = 6,990.50
This bridge would have a round earth spherical drop of just shy of 7,000 feet from one end to the other.

Would it be possible to see one end from the other with a close to 7,000 foot drop from a curvature of the earth?
I debunked this in detail a few pages back. Bottom line: most of the bridge is over uneven ground terrain. That water section in the picture is LESS THAN A MILE.

You can go look at it on a map.

Credibility=damaged for the nth time.

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Postby Silver » Mon May 01, 2017 7:07 am

I just figured out how to prove that the earth is a globe, once and for all. This should silence the flat-earthers for good. I mean after this post there will be no need for anybody to post in this thread. In fact, by the powers vested in me, I hereby pronounce a pox on anybody that posts after me. Let this be the last post. So let it be written, so let it be done. Oh, alright, y'all can post a few congratulatory posts, commenting on my genius and all-around good-guyness. But that's it. Nothing else...or a pox on you and all your kin even unto the 3rd or 4th generation.

Here it is:
When I was a kid I learned that if I were to dig a hole, straight down, all the way through the earth, I would come out in China. That could never happen if the earth were flat. So there.
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Postby Robin Hood » Mon May 01, 2017 2:48 pm

Silver wrote:
Mon May 01, 2017 7:07 am
I just figured out how to prove that the earth is a globe, once and for all. This should silence the flat-earthers for good. I mean after this post there will be no need for anybody to post in this thread. In fact, by the powers vested in me, I hereby pronounce a pox on anybody that posts after me. Let this be the last post. So let it be written, so let it be done. Oh, alright, y'all can post a few congratulatory posts, commenting on my genius and all-around good-guyness. But that's it. Nothing else...or a pox on you and all your kin even unto the 3rd or 4th generation.

Here it is:
When I was a kid I learned that if I were to dig a hole, straight down, all the way through the earth, I would come out in China. That could never happen if the earth were flat. So there.
I don't think it would be China from where you are on a globe-earth. Are you secretly trying to tell us you believe the earth is an alternative shape?
You were given dud information (the location of China, globe-earth, your ability to dig) and have been misinformed ever since my friend. ;)

Now, what are these weird spots beginning to appear on me?

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Postby Silver » Mon May 01, 2017 3:22 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Mon May 01, 2017 2:48 pm
Silver wrote:
Mon May 01, 2017 7:07 am
I just figured out how to prove that the earth is a globe, once and for all. This should silence the flat-earthers for good. I mean after this post there will be no need for anybody to post in this thread. In fact, by the powers vested in me, I hereby pronounce a pox on anybody that posts after me. Let this be the last post. So let it be written, so let it be done. Oh, alright, y'all can post a few congratulatory posts, commenting on my genius and all-around good-guyness. But that's it. Nothing else...or a pox on you and all your kin even unto the 3rd or 4th generation.

Here it is:
When I was a kid I learned that if I were to dig a hole, straight down, all the way through the earth, I would come out in China. That could never happen if the earth were flat. So there.
I don't think it would be China from where you are on a globe-earth. Are you secretly trying to tell us you believe the earth is an alternative shape?
You were given dud information (the location of China, globe-earth, your ability to dig) and have been misinformed ever since my friend. ;)

Now, what are these weird spots beginning to appear on me?
Some how I knew it would be you, RH. As kids, we hadn't quite figured out the who northern/southern hemisphere thingy so straight down was still China. At least, however, even in those tender years, we knew the earth was a globe. Now, go find Maid Marion and stay away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself.
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Postby Robin Hood » Mon May 01, 2017 11:22 pm

Oh I knew it would be me too!
I couldn't resist commenting on the poor globe-centric geography. There is no way that straight down from the US would land you in China. But you were told it as a kid, so it's stuck. It's called indoctrination and it's easy as pie.

I wouldn't call her a flat-earther, but Maid Marion is definitely more questioning of the globe-earth than me!

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Postby Silver Pie » Thu May 04, 2017 3:43 pm

Silver wrote:
Mon May 01, 2017 7:07 am
I just figured out how to prove that the earth is a globe, once and for all. This should silence the flat-earthers for good. I mean after this post there will be no need for anybody to post in this thread. In fact, by the powers vested in me, I hereby pronounce a pox on anybody that posts after me. Let this be the last post. So let it be written, so let it be done. Oh, alright, y'all can post a few congratulatory posts, commenting on my genius and all-around good-guyness. But that's it. Nothing else...or a pox on you and all your kin even unto the 3rd or 4th generation.

Here it is:
When I was a kid I learned that if I were to dig a hole, straight down, all the way through the earth, I would come out in China. That could never happen if the earth were flat. So there.
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Dang! I learned the same thing, so there ya go.
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Postby Silver Pie » Thu May 04, 2017 3:45 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Mon May 01, 2017 11:22 pm
Oh I knew it would be me too!
I couldn't resist commenting on the poor globe-centric geography. There is no way that straight down from the US would land you in China. But you were told it as a kid, so it's stuck. It's called indoctrination and it's easy as pie.

I wouldn't call her a flat-earther, but Maid Marion is definitely more questioning of the globe-earth than me!
It would probably land us in Russia? (Or somewhere in the former USSR?)
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Postby gclayjr » Thu May 04, 2017 3:48 pm

Silver Pie,

We are in the Northern Hemisphere, and so is both China and the Former USSR. If you dig from anywhere in either Great Britain, or The USA, you will end up somewhere in the southern Hemisphere, probably in the Ocean.

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Postby Silver Pie » Thu May 04, 2017 9:51 pm

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Silver Pie,

We are in the Northern Hemisphere, and so is both China and the Former USSR. If you dig from anywhere in either Great Britain, or The USA, you will end up somewhere in the southern Hemisphere, probably in the Ocean.

Regards,

George Clay
Now, I'm trying to visualize that. I was thinking that I would be digging straight through, from western hemisphere to eastern hemisphere if I went straight down. I looked at pictures of a globe and I can see how the hole would angle somewhat toward the southern hemisphere if I went straight down. I guess I need an actual globe to see where I might end up.
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Postby gclayjr » Fri May 05, 2017 4:59 am

Silver Pie,
Now, I'm trying to visualize that. I was thinking that I would be digging straight through, from western hemisphere to eastern hemisphere if I went straight down. I looked at pictures of a globe and I can see how the hole would angle somewhat toward the southern hemisphere if I went straight down. I guess I need an actual globe to see where I might end up.
Actually Silver didn't precisely say that kid's analogy. If you dug a hole THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, you would end up in the southern hemisphere. If you just dug a hole into the earth, I guess you could come out anywhere including in your neighbor's yard.

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Postby Silver » Fri May 05, 2017 5:47 am

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Fri May 05, 2017 4:59 am
Silver Pie,
Now, I'm trying to visualize that. I was thinking that I would be digging straight through, from western hemisphere to eastern hemisphere if I went straight down. I looked at pictures of a globe and I can see how the hole would angle somewhat toward the southern hemisphere if I went straight down. I guess I need an actual globe to see where I might end up.
Actually Silver didn't precisely say that kid's analogy. If you dug a hole THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, you would end up in the southern hemisphere. If you just dug a hole into the earth, I guess you could come out anywhere including in your neighbor's yard.

Regards,

George Clay
You people appear to be perfectly impervious to that pox I pronounced on everyone who persisted in posting here.
As a prophet reveals the truth it divides the people. (T)he worldly either want to close the mouth of the prophet, or else act as if the prophet didn’t exist, rather than repent of their sins. Popularity is never a test of truth. Ezra Taft Benson

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Re: The Earth is Not a Globe!?! Is God literal, water above and below the firmament?

Postby Silver Pie » Tue May 09, 2017 9:56 am

gclayjr wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 4:59 am
Silver Pie,
Now, I'm trying to visualize that. I was thinking that I would be digging straight through, from western hemisphere to eastern hemisphere if I went straight down. I looked at pictures of a globe and I can see how the hole would angle somewhat toward the southern hemisphere if I went straight down. I guess I need an actual globe to see where I might end up.
Actually Silver didn't precisely say that kid's analogy. If you dug a hole THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, you would end up in the southern hemisphere. If you just dug a hole into the earth, I guess you could come out anywhere including in your neighbor's yard.

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George Clay
True. Very true.
Silver wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 5:47 am
You people appear to be perfectly impervious to that pox I pronounced on everyone who persisted in posting here.
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I was wondering what those dots were that keep appearing on my arms. :-ss
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Re: The Earth is Not a Globe!?! Is God literal, water above and below the firmament?

Postby JaredBees » Tue May 09, 2017 8:38 pm

I definitely am not Savvy with this debate. I have probably read 20 posts on this thread that consists of hundreds of posts. I'm sure there's compelling educational information for both camps of thinking on this extensive thread. I work at Hill Air Force Base. I asked two F-22 pilots yesterday if it's possible to go high enough in the Earth's atmosphere to where you can see the curvature of the Earth. Both said they had seen it and that you have to go way up there 48 to 50,000 feet. One of the pilots with countenance of, I don't know how else to say this, JOY said "it is really cool to see". I then told them why I asked the question because of the debate that's out there... They both shared passionate opinions about their iincredulity of why people believe the Earth is flat... anyways thought I would share.
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