Jew/Israel the most wicked nation in the world?

[azalea.rubicon]

I have read the Book of Mormon over and over for years now and every single time I learn something interesting. We've been told the Jews are chosen people because the Savior was born in that race. Why were they chosen? Are they chosen because they're just special? I found out why they are the chosen people. IN 2 Nephi 10: 3-4.

3 Wherefore, as I said unto you, it must needs be expedient that Christ—for in the last night the angel spake unto me that this should be his name—should come among the Jews, among those who are the more wicked part of the world; and they shall crucify him—for thus it behooveth our God, and there is none other nation on earth that would crucify their God.

4 For should the mighty miracles be wrought among other nations they would repent, and know that he be their God.

So the reason they are chosen is because they are so wicked that they would actually crucify the Savior despite all the miracles He's shown them. If he had been born in say China/India, they would have believed him and repented of their sins. This is a very interesting scripture to me.
My question is, is this still true with the Jewish people in our day and age? The bankster- Rothschild and their role in wars and control of world currency. I can't help but think that this may still be the case. Any thoughts?

[jwharton]

The Jews were the gathered people that came back out of the Babylonian exile (scattering) and were offered their messiah from the House of Judah.
Yes, they killed him.
But, that was only part of the House of Israel.
There yet remains the people of the northern kingdom to have their chance as well.
Will they also kill their messiah from the House of Ephraim?
The answer is: YES, they will, and, they already have.

The judgment against the southern kingdom was much shorter than the judgment against the northern kingdom.
See Ezekiel chapter 4 where the time-frame of their period of judgement is specified.
For the northern kingdom Ezekiel was banded down for 390 days.
When the day for a year and the Mosaic punishment 7x factor is applied this was a period of 2,730 years.
For the southern kingdom Ezekiel was banded down for 40 days which becomes 40 years x7 which is 280 years.

So, the judgment against the southern kingdom had expired and they were eligible to have their Messiah deliver them from exile.
But, the unfortunate situation for the southern kingdom is they were told they would drink the cup of the northern kingdom too.
This means that they will receive their own punishment and on top of that they will also receive the northern kingdom's punishment too.
So, they were in fact still under the dark cloud of the judgment against the northern kingdom as well, which manifested in them killing Jesus.
Instead of receiving deliverance and again becoming a sovereign nation under God, they were crushed by the Romans and thrust back into exile.

Ephraim also was sent their Messiah and deliverer but what became of Joseph Smith Jr.? He too was a lamb that went to the slaughter.

[Rachael]

Whether they're tje most evil or not, the LORD comes back to them first, per the book of Zachariah.

And there's that covenant they have since the OT, about the LORD telling them whoever blesses them, HE will bless, whoever curses them, HE will curse

[Robin Hood]

The Jews were the gathered people that came back out of the Babylonian exile (scattering) and were offered their messiah from the House of Judah.
Yes, they killed him.
But, that was only part of the House of Israel.
There yet remains the people of the northern kingdom to have their chance as well.
Will they also kill their messiah from the House of Ephraim?
The answer is: YES, they will, and, they already have.

The judgment against the southern kingdom was much shorter than the judgment against the northern kingdom.
See Ezekiel chapter 4 where the time-frame of their period of judgement is specified.
For the northern kingdom Ezekiel was banded down for 390 days.
When the day for a year and the Mosaic punishment 7x factor is applied this was a period of 2,730 years.
For the southern kingdom Ezekiel was banded down for 40 days which becomes 40 years x7 which is 280 years.

So, the judgment against the southern kingdom had expired and they were eligible to have their Messiah deliver them from exile.
But, the unfortunate situation for the southern kingdom is they were told they would drink the cup of the northern kingdom too.
This means that they will receive their own punishment and on top of that they will also receive the northern kingdom's punishment too.
So, they were in fact still under the dark cloud of the judgment against the northern kingdom as well, which manifested in them killing Jesus.
Instead of receiving deliverance and again becoming a sovereign nation under God, they were crushed by the Romans and thrust back into exile.

Ephraim also was sent their Messiah and deliverer but what became of Joseph Smith Jr.? He too was a lamb that went to the slaughter.

Judah and Israel (and the Gentiles of course) have the same Messiah.
Joseph Smith was not a messiah.

[jwharton]

The Jews were the gathered people that came back out of the Babylonian exile (scattering) and were offered their messiah from the House of Judah.
Yes, they killed him.
But, that was only part of the House of Israel.
There yet remains the people of the northern kingdom to have their chance as well.
Will they also kill their messiah from the House of Ephraim?
The answer is: YES, they will, and, they already have.

The judgment against the southern kingdom was much shorter than the judgment against the northern kingdom.
See Ezekiel chapter 4 where the time-frame of their period of judgement is specified.
For the northern kingdom Ezekiel was banded down for 390 days.
When the day for a year and the Mosaic punishment 7x factor is applied this was a period of 2,730 years.
For the southern kingdom Ezekiel was banded down for 40 days which becomes 40 years x7 which is 280 years.

So, the judgment against the southern kingdom had expired and they were eligible to have their Messiah deliver them from exile.
But, the unfortunate situation for the southern kingdom is they were told they would drink the cup of the northern kingdom too.
This means that they will receive their own punishment and on top of that they will also receive the northern kingdom's punishment too.
So, they were in fact still under the dark cloud of the judgment against the northern kingdom as well, which manifested in them killing Jesus.
Instead of receiving deliverance and again becoming a sovereign nation under God, they were crushed by the Romans and thrust back into exile.

Ephraim also was sent their Messiah and deliverer but what became of Joseph Smith Jr.? He too was a lamb that went to the slaughter.

Judah and Israel (and the Gentiles of course) have the same Messiah.
Joseph Smith was not a messiah.

Read D&C 113 where it talks about the Stem, the Rod and the Branch.
Yes, he actually was the messiah from the House of Ephraim.
This is the person who sits in the seat of Moses, so to speak.
They are the presiding high priest of the church and the king of the kingdom.
Joseph Smith Jr. was both of these to the people of Ephraim.

[Robin Hood]

The Jews were the gathered people that came back out of the Babylonian exile (scattering) and were offered their messiah from the House of Judah.
Yes, they killed him.
But, that was only part of the House of Israel.
There yet remains the people of the northern kingdom to have their chance as well.
Will they also kill their messiah from the House of Ephraim?
The answer is: YES, they will, and, they already have.

The judgment against the southern kingdom was much shorter than the judgment against the northern kingdom.
See Ezekiel chapter 4 where the time-frame of their period of judgement is specified.
For the northern kingdom Ezekiel was banded down for 390 days.
When the day for a year and the Mosaic punishment 7x factor is applied this was a period of 2,730 years.
For the southern kingdom Ezekiel was banded down for 40 days which becomes 40 years x7 which is 280 years.

So, the judgment against the southern kingdom had expired and they were eligible to have their Messiah deliver them from exile.
But, the unfortunate situation for the southern kingdom is they were told they would drink the cup of the northern kingdom too.
This means that they will receive their own punishment and on top of that they will also receive the northern kingdom's punishment too.
So, they were in fact still under the dark cloud of the judgment against the northern kingdom as well, which manifested in them killing Jesus.
Instead of receiving deliverance and again becoming a sovereign nation under God, they were crushed by the Romans and thrust back into exile.

Ephraim also was sent their Messiah and deliverer but what became of Joseph Smith Jr.? He too was a lamb that went to the slaughter.

Judah and Israel (and the Gentiles of course) have the same Messiah.
Joseph Smith was not a messiah.

Read D&C 113 where it talks about the Stem, the Rod and the Branch.
Yes, he actually was the messiah from the House of Ephraim.
This is the person who sits in the seat of Moses, so to speak.
They are the presiding high priest of the church and the king of the kingdom.
Joseph Smith Jr. was both of these to the people of Ephraim.

So you don't subscribe to the notion that we're Gentiles then?
So when Joseph stated in the Kirtland Temple dedicatory prayer that we "are identified with the Gentiles" he meant what? Or the coming forth of the BoM "by way of a Gentile" should be interpreted how?
And Moroni was addressing which Gentiles in Mormon 8?

[skmo]

My question is, is this still true with the Jewish people in our day and age?

The way I read it, he spoke of a specific people of a specific age. That was 2,000 years ago. In that time there have been Jewish people who were excellent people and there have been Jewish people who were terrible people. I'm quite sure there have been people who would crucify their god in many times and places in the last 2,000 years. We know there were Lamanites and Nephites who would do among the wickedest of things. I know there are people today who are capable of doing some of the most evil of things. I know it because I lived among them.

We criticize black people today for crying "White Privilege" and demanding reparations for actions against their ancestors from over 100 years ago. It matters not how wicked people from 100 years ago were or how wicked people from 2,000 years ago were. It matters how people today are. The wonderful 62 year old Jewish lady I baptized on my mission was a kind and loving soul.

I'm sure there are some Jewish people today who are evil. I'm sure there are some Agnostics and even some Atheists who are evil. There may even be some LDS people who are evil. Just because there are some bad ones does not mean they are all bad. I've complained almost as much as anyone about "Utah Mormons" and yet I know there are many good, Christlike and loving LDS people who live here in the Beehive state. I'm not one of them yet, but I'm working on it.

[jwharton]

So you don't subscribe to the notion that we're Gentiles then?
So when Joseph stated in the Kirtland Temple dedicatory prayer that we "are identified with the Gentiles" he meant what?
Or the coming forth of the BoM "by way of a Gentile" should be interpreted how?
And Moroni was addressing which Gentiles in Mormon 8?

You are 100% correct to believe the restoration was Gentile oriented.
I know exactly where you are coming from and I do not disagree.
The conclusion I reached is that Ephraim's tribal status was blotted out.
But, because of the covenant, Ephraim still was given a run at it.
Tribes can be blotted out per Deut. 29:18-20 and Ephraim qualified.

[Sunain]

My question is, is this still true with the Jewish people in our day and age?

The way I read it, he spoke of a specific people of a specific age. That was 2,000 years ago. In that time there have been Jewish people who were excellent people and there have been Jewish people who were terrible people. I'm quite sure there have been people who would crucify their god in many times and places in the last 2,000 years. We know there were Lamanites and Nephites who would do among the wickedest of things. I know there are people today who are capable of doing some of the most evil of things. I know it because I lived among them.

We criticize black people today for crying "White Privilege" and demanding reparations for actions against their ancestors from over 100 years ago. It matters not how wicked people from 100 years ago were or how wicked people from 2,000 years ago were. It matters how people today are. The wonderful 62 year old Jewish lady I baptized on my mission was a kind and loving soul.

I'm sure there are some Jewish people today who are evil. I'm sure there are some Agnostics and even some Atheists who are evil. There may even be some LDS people who are evil. Just because there are some bad ones does not mean they are all bad. I've complained almost as much as anyone about "Utah Mormons" and yet I know there are many good, Christlike and loving LDS people who live here in the Beehive state. I'm not one of them yet, but I'm working on it.

They aren't the most wicked nation in the world. Not even close. The Jews have proven since the holocaust that they are not the warmongers that countries around the world, including the United States as of late, portray them to be. At any point since the creation of modern day Israel, they could have easily continued fighting their opposers, but they have held back. If Israel for instance really wanted to eliminated the Palestinians, they could have.

[Lexew1899]

Christ will reside in the city of Jehovah-Shamnah when he returns. This will be the rebuilt city of Jerusalem following the battle of Armageddon. The Jews will take their rightful place as a chosen people, having again the fullness of the gospel among them. They once had it in its fullness, but it became lost bit by bit.

Why did the ancient temple have two floors to it? What was done on the second floor that required the same design of the first floor? A large room, separated by a veil into a smaller Holy chamber?

The Jews are the branch that was broken off from the olive tree, because they rejected the gospel. They clung to traditions and pride of the world. The wild branch was grafted in its place. Soon to be torn off and thrown into the fire itself.

[dauser]

Jew/Israel the most wicked nation in the world?

If the Jews are not the most wicked... then who else might be the most wicked?

Jewish self righteousness, pride, hypocrisy, lies, deceit, control of the world's money supply, banking, the Vatican, the wars, the anti-family porn and gay agendas, media, entertainment, universities, pharmaceuticals, seeds, false flag attacks, communism, and Jewish occupied governments....is a big turn off to some people.

Jesus, Jeremiah, Lehi, Nephi, Adolf and Martin Luther may have shared a few similar beliefs, which got them in trouble on occasion.

A good place to start studying Jewish, collectivist, thought and behavior... look to their: Talmudic Oral Traditions...they will never knock on your door like missionaries and give you books and pamphlets and tell you to kneel down and pray out loud for understanding.

The last thing they want you to do is to study and pray about the Jews.

[skmo]

If the Jews are not the most wicked... then who else might be the most wicked?

I'd say Washington D.C. or Hollyweird would be a good place to start looking.

The last thing they want you to do is to study and pray about the Jews.

But one of the last things I want to do is be a hate-filled fear monger spreading blanket prejudice on a whole group of people.

Many people on this site have called me out for slamming Donald Trump and/or his followers. I understand not everyone shares my viewpoint on what a useless piece of belly-button lint he is, but at least they know I despise him for who he is and what he's done, not because he has New York blood in his vein or because he has white skin. You really ought to work on that race-filled vitriol you have.

[dauser]

I'd say Washington D.C. or Hollyweird would be a good place to start looking.

Good point.

How The Jews Took Washington
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Do Jews Run Hollywood? -
You Bet They Do...& What Of It?
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Pity the American People for They Live in a Jewish Run Democracy
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[Robin Hood]

Jew/Israel the most wicked nation in the world?

If the Jews are not the most wicked... then who else might be the most wicked?

Jewish self righteousness, pride, hypocrisy, lies, deceit, control of the world's money supply, banking, the Vatican, the wars, the anti-family porn and gay agendas, media, entertainment, universities, pharmaceuticals, seeds, false flag attacks, communism, and Jewish occupied governments....is a big turn off to some people.

Jesus, Jeremiah, Lehi, Nephi, Adolf and Martin Luther may have shared a few similar beliefs, which got them in trouble on occasion.

A good place to start studying Jewish, collectivist, thought and behavior... look to their: Talmudic Oral Traditions...they will never knock on your door like missionaries and give you books and pamphlets and tell you to kneel down and pray out loud for understanding.

The last thing they want you to do is to study and pray about the Jews.

While I understand where you're coming from, I think it unwise to mention Adolf Hitler in the same list as Jesus.
Jesus was a victim of the Jews, whereas Hitler's victims were Jews.

[dauser]

Jesus was a victim of the Jews, whereas Hitler's victims were Jews.

You don't learn what the Jews did to the Germans or to the Christians in our ZOG school textbooks or establishment media.

The Vatican, The City in London and The District Of Columba are the 3 ZOG countries you want to keep an eye on. Israel is just the side show.
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[Robin Hood]

So you don't subscribe to the notion that we're Gentiles then?
So when Joseph stated in the Kirtland Temple dedicatory prayer that we "are identified with the Gentiles" he meant what? Or the coming forth of the BoM "by way of a Gentile" should be interpreted how?
And Moroni was addressing which Gentiles in Mormon 8?

This is a common mistake.
I identify with my favourite football team. That does not mean I am my favourite football team.
If Joseph meant "we are Gentiles" I submit he would have said that. But he didn't.

Moroni was addressing the people of the US mostly. These are the current population, all of whom (with a few exceptions) regard themselves as Gentiles in a Gentile nation.
Moroni regarded anyone who wasn't Nephite as a Lamanite, and anyone who wasn't a Jew as a Gentile.

It is absolutely clear that Joseph, Brigham et al regarded themselves and the church as Israel. It is also clear that Joseph regarded the populations of northern Europe, and by extension the population of the US at the time to be Israelites, although they were unaware of it.

[sandman45]

Jew/Israel the most wicked nation in the world?

If the Jews are not the most wicked... then who else might be the most wicked?

Jewish self righteousness, pride, hypocrisy, lies, deceit, control of the world's money supply, banking, the Vatican, the wars, the anti-family porn and gay agendas, media, entertainment, universities, pharmaceuticals, seeds, false flag attacks, communism, and Jewish occupied governments....is a big turn off to some people.

Jesus, Jeremiah, Lehi, Nephi, Adolf and Martin Luther may have shared a few similar beliefs, which got them in trouble on occasion.

A good place to start studying Jewish, collectivist, thought and behavior... look to their: Talmudic Oral Traditions...they will never knock on your door like missionaries and give you books and pamphlets and tell you to kneel down and pray out loud for understanding.

The last thing they want you to do is to study and pray about the Jews.

While I understand where you're coming from, I think it unwise to mention Adolf Hitler in the same list as Jesus.
Jesus was a victim of the Jews, whereas Hitler's victims were Jews.

According to the official narratives which were controlled by the Jews. Ie. public school, Mainstream Media, Hollywood, etc

[sandman45]

I recommend watching the documentary “The Greatest Story Never Told”

[Sirius]

I recommend watching the documentary “The Greatest Story Never Told”

Or reading the book "Hellstorm", or "Against Our Better Judgment: The hidden history of how the U.S. was used to create Israel". You can actually just witness the atrocities going on daily against the Palestinians (and other peoples of the world) at the hands of Zionist jews. Either way, this group everyone views as "God's chosen people", are lying (ignorantly or intentionally) of their true identity and purpose. Nothing more than modern day secret combinations that the US and Western Europe have been building up for decades. We know the result of such works.

[Elendil]

This is a common mistake.
I identify with my favourite football team. That does not mean I am my favourite football team.
If Joseph meant "we are Gentiles" I submit he would have said that. But he didn't.

Moroni was addressing the people of the US mostly. These are the current population, all of whom (with a few exceptions) regard themselves as Gentiles in a Gentile nation.
Moroni regarded anyone who wasn't Nephite as a Lamanite, and anyone who wasn't a Jew as a Gentile.

It is absolutely clear that Joseph, Brigham et al regarded themselves and the church as Israel. It is also clear that Joseph regarded the populations of northern Europe, and by extension the population of the US at the time to be Israelites, although they were unaware of it.

In 1. Nephi 15:13-17 Nephi tells us that the Gentiles will take the gospel to the house of Israel (the remnant of Nephis' seed) in the latter days. If the Gentiles Nephi is talking about are not the Latter-day Saints, who will then take the gospel to the house of Israel?

[sandman45]

Revelation describes them

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Rev 2: 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

[brianj]

I recommend watching the documentary “The Greatest Story Never Told”

Or reading the book "Hellstorm", or "Against Our Better Judgment: The hidden history of how the U.S. was used to create Israel". You can actually just witness the atrocities going on daily against the Palestinians (and other peoples of the world) at the hands of Zionist jews. Either way, this group everyone views as "God's chosen people", are lying (ignorantly or intentionally) of their true identity and purpose. Nothing more than modern day secret combinations that the US and Western Europe have been building up for decades. We know the result of such works.

Do you have some kind of final solution to the Jewish question in Palestine that you can offer?

[Robin Hood]

This is a common mistake.
I identify with my favourite football team. That does not mean I am my favourite football team.
If Joseph meant "we are Gentiles" I submit he would have said that. But he didn't.

Moroni was addressing the people of the US mostly. These are the current population, all of whom (with a few exceptions) regard themselves as Gentiles in a Gentile nation.
Moroni regarded anyone who wasn't Nephite as a Lamanite, and anyone who wasn't a Jew as a Gentile.

It is absolutely clear that Joseph, Brigham et al regarded themselves and the church as Israel. It is also clear that Joseph regarded the populations of northern Europe, and by extension the population of the US at the time to be Israelites, although they were unaware of it.

In 1. Nephi 15:13-17 Nephi tells us that the Gentiles will take the gospel to the house of Israel (the remnant of Nephis' seed) in the latter days. If the Gentiles Nephi is talking about are not the Latter-day Saints, who will then take the gospel to the house of Israel?

We are Gentiles from Nephi's point of view, by virtue of the fact that we are not Jews.
But that does not mean we are actually Gentiles by blood, though I will concede that we are by culture.
My patriarchal blessing clearly states that I have "come through the loins of Ephraim" which brings with it "all of the blessings of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, which is of great worth" and that I am "choice in the House of Israel". These are very strange words if indeed I am a Gentile by blood. Not only that, but to believe I am a Gentile would be to disavow my patriarchal blessing.

The thing is, my PB is not unique. Not even close to being unique. In fact, wording to this effect is common in PB's throughout the US and northern European church membership and beyond.
Therefore I submit that Nephi is only right from his limited polarised worldview. In truth, the picture is far more complicated than that.

The Book of Mormon clearly abandons racial distinctions in favour of cultural and political ones quite early on. Those that are "friendly to Nephi" are referred to as Nephites, while everyone else, regardless of their ethnicity, is regarded as a Lamanite. Many of these are unlikely to have been directly descended from Laman or Lemuel, so blood ties seem to be less relevant than cultural or political ones.
It is not unreasonable therefore, for Nephi to look upon scenes from the future and identify us as Gentiles because politically and culturally we are. But that has nothing to do with our true lineage.

[gclayjr]

Sandman45,

I recommend watching the documentary “The Greatest Story Never Told”

Since the mid-20th century, the world has only ever heard one side of an incredible story. The story of a boy from an ordinary family whose ambition it was to become an artist, but who instead became a drifter.

His destiny however was not to drift into the awaiting oblivion, but to rise to the greatest heights of power, eventually to become one of the most influential men who ever lived.

Now for the first time, here is a documented account of a story many believe to be…


The Greatest Story NEVER Told!


Learn the untold story about the most reviled man in history. Adolf Hitler, The Greatest Story Never Told is a 6-hour Documentary by TruthWillOut Films.

Maybe you can tell me what you think about

"Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

Isn't it interesting the hateful responses I got for comparing the source information of many Conspiracy theorists with "Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

Also great denials of how so much conspiracy stuff is so anti-Semitic

Thank you for proving me right and those who attack me wrong!



Regards,

George Clay

[gclayjr]

Sirius,

Or reading the book "Hellstorm", or "Against Our Better Judgment: The hidden history of how the U.S. was used to create Israel". You can actually just witness the atrocities going on daily against the Palestinians (and other peoples of the world) at the hands of Zionist jews. Either way, this group everyone views as "God's chosen people", are lying (ignorantly or intentionally) of their true identity and purpose. Nothing more than modern day secret combinations that the US and Western Europe have been building up for decades. We know the result of such works.

Small extract from review of Against Our Better Judgment: The hidden history of how the U.S. was used to create Israel

It is also of significance that the American Zionists promised to push the U.S. into war not because they believed that it was in their own country’s national interest—as was the case for a number of prominent Americans such as former President Theodore Roosevelt—but solely for what they considered to be in the interests of world Jewry. Ascribing “dual loyalty” to any Jews is regarded as a classic anti-Semitic canard. In this case, however, the American Zionists’ position did not even rise to the level of “dual loyalty,” being purely singular in that it evinced no apparent concern whatsoever for American interests.

Linked to the Balfour Declaration, Weir points out that “American Zionists may also have played a role in preventing an early peace with the Ottoman Empire.

I would like to also thank you for helping to prove my point in the fact that so many conspiracy sources are blatantly anti-Semitic.

Regards,

George Clay