Donald Trump is the only true conservative

[Mountain man]

Trump's positions on major political issues are very clear and in writing. Republican Senator Lindsay Graham and other liberal republicans may call themselves conservatives on the television, but do not be deceived by these liars. Please click on the LINK below and see for yourself Donald Trump's position on the important issues, including our second Amendment.
Mountain man

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[gclayjr]

mountain man,

There are many here who foolishly think that Trump is the "Savior". OK I get it. I think you are wrong, but I get it. However,
you destroy any credibility you might have by making such ridiculous assertions as :

Trump's positions on major political issues are very clear and in writing

Rather than making such vapid assertions, how about showing us those conservative things he has written (I don't want to see his claim that he is going to get Mexico to pay for our fence, or that he is going to send all illegals back, or that he is going to put a moratorium on Muslim immigration.....unless...., you can show his writings on how he is going to do these things using Constitutional principles).

Regards,

George Clay

[kennyhs]

mountain man,

There are many here who foolishly think that Trump is the "Savior". OK I get it. I think you are wrong, but I get it. However,
you destroy any credibility you might have by making such ridiculous assertions as :

Trump's positions on major political issues are very clear and in writing

Rather than making such vapid assertions, how about showing us those conservative things he has written (I don't want to see his claim that he is going to get Mexico to pay for our fence, or that he is going to send all illegals back, or that he is going to put a moratorium on Muslim immigration.....unless...., you can show his writings on how he is going to do these things using Constitutional principles).

Regards,

George Clay

I don't think he's the Savior, that remark is what's foolish.

[carbon dioxide]

I am neither for or against trump but I don't think one can call him the only true conservative. I don't even know if he is conservative. He changes his views on issues (not necessarily bad) and when he speaks on an issue its in very general terms. He may be a conservative but I have not seen the proof for it. He is not like a Ron Paul who you know where he stands on an issue and has been consistent for years.

[djinwa]

I once thought conservative meant you would spend less. Like Ron or Rand Paul who had plans to cut spending.

If someone could point out roughly how much Trump wants slash federal spending, and in what departments, I would appreciate it.

[Matthew.B]

I wonder if "conservative" is even a useful term anymore. It implies conserving the established or traditional order. The order that's now established is by and large corrupt. Perhaps it's time for a departure from "conservatism" and a return to the founding principles of the nation--which at this point would be as much of a non-conservative revolution as anything else.

/wordnazi

[gclayjr]

Mathew.B

I wonder if "conservative" is even a useful term anymore. It implies conserving the established or traditional order. The order that's now established is by and large corrupt. Perhaps it's time for a departure from "conservatism" and a return to the founding principles of the nation--which at this point would be as much of a non-conservative revolution as anything else.

/wordnazi

hmmmm.... Interesting. I hope that as conservatives, we go a bit further back for that which we want to conserve. But unfortunately, as time goes by, you could become more right.

Just like the great difference between a

a conservative Christian and a Conservative Muslim. Both are going back to their Roots, in the case of the Christian, the Bible, and the Muslim, the Quran... However, the Quran is nothing like the Bible, so a Conservative Muslim is nothing like a conservative Christian.

So let's not replace our Constitution with anything that reflects the government we have been experiencing these past several years.

Regards,

George Clay

[AI2.0]

Trump's positions on major political issues are very clear and in writing. Republican Senator Lindsay Graham and other liberal republicans may call themselves conservatives on the television, but do not be deceived by these liars. Please click on the LINK below and see for yourself Donald Trump's position on the important issues, including our second Amendment.
Mountain man

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With Donald Trump, the problem is that his positions change. And, he's only claimed to be Republican for a couple of years, he was a full supporter of Democrat ideals and candidates up till just a while ago. Didn't he endorse Obama in 2007? He endorsed Mitt Romney in 2012, but only after he decided that he didn't want to run for Pres. himself. Also, he was a candidate for Pres. in the Reform party and back then, he did advocate some gun control measures and he was a firm supporter of abortion rights. He's never held any political office, so he's a wild card--we have no way to know how he would actually govern.

You mention Lindsey Graham as someone who calls himself a conservative, but what about Chris Christie? Do you think he's a conservative--because I'm pretty sure he calls himself a conservative (he's not by my standards). Christie endorsed Trump, so why is that not a problem for you?

So far, Trump is all over the map on his views, some are 'conservative' but some are liberal. He's praised Planned Parenthood many times 'for the good work they do'. He's said that Govt. would pay for Nationalized Health Care, because 'it's the right thing to do'. He's said he'd force companies to move their factories back to the United states. He said he'd make the Military follow his orders (he sounded like a dictator when he said that!) How is that 'conservative'?

I'm sorry, but I've heard with my own ears Donald Trump contradict his claimed 'conservative' positions, so, when you put the whole 'Trump' package together, I'm very skeptical that he'd actually govern by conservative, constitutional principles.

[lundbaek]

I'm sure none of the republican presidential candidates adhere to constitutional principles. What's worse, very few LDS voters are familiar with "the principles of the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" that the Prophet told Church members "we must learn" in the October 1987 General Conference.

[Mountain man]

I have never read so many lies and distortions and false statements in a very long time, and I am 79 years old and have been a conservative Republican all of my life, including when some of you were in diapers.
Look at the statement of issues that are on the LINK to his website . You have been watching too much Liberal controlled TV. Mountain man

[skmo]

Trump is the only true conservative in this race just like I am the only true athlete in this country - All 500 pounds of me.

[skmo]

Look at the statement of issues that are on the LINK to his website

When you're done with that, watch the hildabeast's testimony on Benghazi. You'll get the same level of "truth" as tRump gives in any of his statements.

[captainfearnot]

I have never read so many lies and distortions and false statements in a very long time, and I am 79 years old and have been a conservative Republican all of my life, including when some of you were in diapers.

Look at the statement of issues that are on the LINK to his website.

Okay. I did. Trump lists his position on seven issues at his website. Seven.

1. Pay for the Wall
2. Healthcare Reform
3. US-China Trade Reform
4. Veterans Administration Reform
5. Tax Reform
6. Second Amendment Rights
7. Immigration Reform

(And really No. 1 is part of No. 7, so he actually only has positions on six issues. Six.)

Where does Trump outline his position on abortion? That's right, off the cuff in front of live cameras. And then he retreats from it days later.

What is his position on climate change? Education? Welfare? The war on drugs? The war on terror? Rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure? Social Security and Medicare? The Middle East? Guantanamo? Israel/Palestine? Wall Street and the bailouts? And so on.

No doubt he has addressed all of this and more in his speeches, but only in his trademarked way of offering no details except that it will be beautiful. (It reminds me of Charlie Sheen constantly reminding us that he's "winning.") If he does offer any details in his speeches they change the next day. If it's not spelled out on his website he can't be said to have a position in any meaningful sense.

Trump seems to believe that every issue can be addressed with off the cuff common sense and gut-level reasoning. No doubt those are sorely lacking in government these days, but it takes more than that to run a country.

[Jason]

Door #1 - Flaming Liberal Liar
Door #2 - Career Democrat and known Gadianton Liar
Door #3 - Career Republican with CFR connections Liar
Door #4 - Wildcard Democrat/Republican/Libertarian Businessman who runs in the Gadianton circles Liar

Good luck!

[kennyhs]

Door #1 - Flaming Liberal Liar
Door #2 - Career Democrat and known Gadianton Liar
Door #3 - Career Republican with CFR connections Liar
Door #4 - Wildcard Democrat/Republican/Libertarian Businessman who runs in the Gadianton circles Liar

Good luck!

I don't know Jason, that's a little vague, do you like Trump or not? :p

[Mark]

Door #1 - Flaming Liberal Liar
Door #2 - Career Democrat and known Gadianton Liar
Door #3 - Career Republican with CFR connections Liar
Door #4 - Wildcard Democrat/Republican/Libertarian Businessman who runs in the Gadianton circles Liar

Good luck!

:)) And lest we forget who really runs the show:

“Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, and confusion all
over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the president of the United States; it is
not Hitler; it is not Mussolini; it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan
himself.”


― Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation Vol I

PS Anybody been reading your Book of Mormon lately? :-s

[kennyhs]

Door #1 - Flaming Liberal Liar
Door #2 - Career Democrat and known Gadianton Liar
Door #3 - Career Republican with CFR connections Liar
Door #4 - Wildcard Democrat/Republican/Libertarian Businessman who runs in the Gadianton circles Liar

Good luck!

:)) And lest we forget who really runs the show:

“Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, and confusion all
over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the president of the United States; it is
not Hitler; it is not Mussolini; it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan
himself.”


― Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation Vol I

PS Anybody been reading your Book of Mormon lately? :-s

I just read this from President Benson;

“…the Book of Mormon exposes the enemies of Christ. It confounds false doctrines and lays down contention. (See 2 Ne. 3:12.) It fortifies the humble followers of Christ against the evil designs, strategies, and doctrines of the devil in our day. The type of apostates in the Book of Mormon are similar to the type we have today. God, with his infinite foreknowledge, so molded the Book of Mormon that we might see the error and know how to combat false educational, political, religious, and philosophical concepts of our time…Now, we have not been using the Book of Mormon as we should. Our homes are not as strong unless we are using it to bring our children to Christ. Our families may be corrupted by worldly trends and teachings unless we know how to use the book to expose and combat falsehoods in socialism, rationalism, etc…The situation in the world will continue to degenerate unless we read and heed the words of God and quit building up and upholding secret combinations, which the Book of Mormon tells us proved the downfall of ancient civilizations.” (Ezra Taft Benson, First Presidency Message, Ensign, January 1988).

[skmo]

PS Anybody been reading your Book of Mormon lately?

My wife and I read at least a chapter a day together as part of us getting me ready to again enter the waters of baptism.

[creator]

Based on the modern corrupted definition of what makes one a "conservative" perhaps you can call Trump a conservative but he's no friend of true Liberty.

[Mark]

PS Anybody been reading your Book of Mormon lately?

My wife and I read at least a chapter a day together as part of us getting me ready to again enter the waters of baptism.

Good for you Bro. Several parts of Helaman and the first part of 3rd Nephi seem like a pretty good comparison to where we find ourselves today. A hearty congrats on your upcoming baptism. I would come to support if you were closer. :ymhug:

[AI2.0]

Trump's positions on major political issues are very clear and in writing. Republican Senator Lindsay Graham and other liberal republicans may call themselves conservatives on the television, but do not be deceived by these liars. Please click on the LINK below and see for yourself Donald Trump's position on the important issues, including our second Amendment.
Mountain man

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I posted this on another thread, but I want to repost it here because as a Conservative, I agree with the Republican stand on these issues and Trump apparently does not.


These are the top 10 republican core values. In blue is what I've found on Donald Trumps positions on these core values:

http://republicansusa.org/GOPCoreValues.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1. Lower Taxes: Speaking of Trump's tax plan: "The analysis estimates that Trump's tax plan would increase deficits by at least $9.5 trillion over a decade and by another $15 trillion in the second decade." It would lower taxes on the poor but also on the rich, at a high cost to the country.http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/22/pf/taxe ... -tax-plan/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; He says he'll lower taxes but he'll do it in the usual progressive way--balloon the national deficit. That's not something I support.

2. Smaller Government: 'Trump wants to make the government huge again" http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... sm/473538/. This article explains that Trump is, like most progressives, a big government supporter--he just thinks it will be 'great' when he's in charge of that huge government.

3. Encourage growth of Business: Trump wants to impose tariffs, force and punish companies that don't do what he wants, he has said he would interfere with free market system.

"But on issue after issue, Trump vows to use government as a tool to improve the lot of his supporters, and address their anxieties. He’d interfere in free markets, imposing tariffs to punish companies that move factories offshore, and countries with abusive trade practices. He’s pledged to preserve Social Security. He’s proposed, at various times, registering Muslims and banning them from entering the country.

There’s a common theme dividing the government initiatives Trump supports from the ones he opposes. He’s speaking to his core supporters: working-class whites who identify not by ethnicity, but simply as American. And he’s promising to defend their interests. He’ll protect their jobs from spotted owls and immigrants and offshoring; he’ll keep them safe by keeping terrorists abroad, and troops at home; he’ll buffer them against shifting economic fortunes with robust social-insurance programs." http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... sm/473538/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



4.Sanctity of Human life: Trump's actual commitment to the sanctity of life is in doubt. http://prolifeprofiles.com/donald-trump ... t-pro-life" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

5. Protecting Traditional marriage: I thought Trump would at least be on the side of traditional marriage, but I guess that's in question by some as well. "The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) and a number influential evangelicals have endorsed Senator Ted Cruz in the race for president. The Texas senator has not only committed to appointing pro-marriage justices, but says the president and the states can rightly defy the “fundamentally illegitimate” ruling just as President Lincoln defied the Dred Scott decision.

NOM has also been highly critical of Trump, saying he has “abandoned” their cause. The organization said in its January 27 blog post just prior to the Iowa Caucus that “Donald Trump does not support a constitutional amendment to restore marriage to our laws. Worse, he has publicly abandoned the fight for marriage. When the US Supreme Court issued their illegitimate ruling redefining marriage, Trump promptly threw in the towel with these comments on MSNBC: ‘You have to go with it. The decision's been made, and that is the law of the land.’”

NOM had said the week before that Trump “has made no commitments to fight for marriage, or the rights of supporters of marriage to not be discriminated against and punished for refusing to go along with the lie that is same-sex 'marriage.'” https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/can-c ... n-marriage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

6. Support right to keep and bear arms: Trump's position has changed. He said this in 2000: "
It's often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions....
I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."


7.Safeguarding religious liberties: I guess this is questionable as well. Many have criticized Trump on his positions regarding religious liberty. Here is one article on many on this subject: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... y-weakness" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Three out of the top four GOP candidates just committed to passing the First Amendment Defense Act (FADA) in their first 100 days in the White House. Carson, Cruz, Rubio, Trump: Which one would you guess refused to make that commitment? Donald J. Trump. The pledge request to prioritize FADA was made by Heritage Action, FRC Action, and the American Principles Project (APP, where I work). FADA would protect gay-marriage dissidents from punishment by the federal government or its regulatory arms, including the IRS: “The Federal Government shall not take any discriminatory action against a person, wholly or partially on the basis that such person believes or acts in accordance with a religious belief or moral conviction that marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man or one woman, or that sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage.” Christian schools, charities, individuals, and small-business owners would receive guarantees of equal access to charitable tax deductions, contracts, loans, accreditation, and employment. As we explained to all the candidates: Serious scholars suggest religious schools should expect to be punished by the withholding of federal funds under current law if they do not treat same-sex unions as marriages. “It seems to me very likely that, in the coming years, schools and universities that accept public funds and support will be required — as a condition of those funds — to have nondiscrimination rules that forbid discrimination on sexual-orientation grounds,” one such scholar, a professor who oversees the Program on Church, State & Society at Notre Dame’s law school, told The Atlantic. “And, these rules will not distinguish between sexual-orientation discrimination and non-recognition of same-sex marriages.” We told them that Americans like Kelvin Cochran are losing their livelihoods because they publicly oppose gay marriage. It seemed like such a simple ask: “Millions of Americans can disagree over the definition of marriage, however, it is essential that the millions of Americans who support natural marriage are not punished by the Federal government for their support for marriage as it has been understood for millennia. “We ask, therefore, for your public assurance that you would prioritize passing the First Amendment Defense Act in the first 100 days of your administration.” Carson, Cruz, and Rubio said yes. Donald J. Trump said no.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... y-weakness




8.Ensuring equal treatment for all people: Trump has been accused of speaking disparagingly of Mexicans, Muslims, women and disabled people.http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... mpion.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

9. Freedom of speech and of the press: "But a closer look at Donald Trump’s actions and words clearly show a disturbing pattern: Not only is he a long way from being the proud free-speech activist he claims to be, but he is in fact the most politically correct candidate running for the presidency in 2016. Trump consistently uses the threat of authority to silence those who criticize him, and such banana-republic tactics set conservatives on edge. Not being social-justice warriors by nature, conservatives don’t seek out ideological opponents in the hopes of silencing them through protests, brute force, or judicial restraint. And they are wary of a social-justice god king barreling toward them from their (supposedly) right flank.......During a Republican debate, Trump came out against the Supreme Court’s pro–free speech decision in Citizen United. On more than one occasion, he has expressed his desire to “open up” libel laws so he can punish journalists who write “mean” things about him. He has urged the FCC to suspend his critics on television. On social media, he has demanded that his critics be fired, much to the delight of his mob of anonymous supporters, who flood the accounts of those Trump has singled out. Some online Trump enforcers have even attempted to “dox” the naysayers by revealing their personal info on the Internet. Trump has also managed to turn his campaign into one big safe space. The Daily Dot obtained a copy of Trump’s non-disclosure agreement for campaign volunteers, which prohibits volunteers from disparaging Trump, his campaign, his company, or his family in any way, presumably for life. The contract specifically states: No Disparagement. During the term of your service and at all times thereafter you hereby promise and agree not to demean or disparage publicly the Company, Mr. Trump, any Trump Company, any Family Member, or any Family Member Company or any asset any of the foregoing own, or product or service any of the foregoing offer, in each case by or in any of the Restricted Means and Contexts and to prevent your employees from doing so. This is enough to make even Lena Dunham blush. Trump doesn’t want to expand or defend the constitutional provisions protecting speech. He simply wants to be the only person able to take advantage of them. What’s more telling is that his supporters, under the misguided impression they are conquering political correctness, cheer him on every step of the way."

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ch-pc-left" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

10.Protecting our national symbols: I couldn't find his opinion on flag burning, so this may be one value of the Republican party he shares.


After looking at what are supposed to be the 'conservative' core values of the Republican Party and comparing them to what Donald Trump has said, I believe he does not support these values, at least, his commitment to them is certainly in doubt. He's been a democrat (even a member of the reform party at one time) for ages, but he decided he'd have a better chance of winning on the Republican ticket.
"...the ultimate most annoying person on this forum, A.120!"

[kennyhs]

Don't care if he was a democrat at one time, just don't care...

[Mountain man]

The repeated lies from the "controlled" media being repeated here by people who refuse to look at the official views of Mr. Trump are childish "fairy tales'. Be brave and see what Donald Trump's views are and not what his detractors say.
Here is the LINk and see what the man says and not what he said 12 years ago ,etc.etc..

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Those who are unafraid of truth will never find it, for they prefer to believe a lie.

[Jason]

The repeated lies from the "controlled" media being repeated here by people who refuse to look at the official views of Mr. Trump are childish "fairy tales'. Be brave and see what Donald Trump's views are and not what his detractors say.
Here is the LINk and see what the man says and not what he said 12 years ago ,etc.etc..

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Those who are unafraid of truth will never find it, for they prefer to believe a lie.

Supposed to believe him today but not 12 years ago when he wasn't campaigning???

Seriously??? Unafraid of truth???

Some ocean front property in North Dakota for you....and a piece of paper from Trump University...from the looks of things you've got that one covered though...

Question to test that piece of paper of yours...How many Republican presidential candidates in history have donated to their Democrat competitor campaigns???

[SamFisher]

Trump's positions on major political issues are very clear and in writing. Republican Senator Lindsay Graham and other liberal republicans may call themselves conservatives on the television, but do not be deceived by these liars. Please click on the LINK below and see for yourself Donald Trump's position on the important issues, including our second Amendment.
Mountain man

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Are you out of you freaking mind? Do you have the slightest understanding of what conservatism is? You must be a troll. Go away.