Why force parents to vaccinate their kids?

[BroJones]

Mes. quotes an intriguing article in today's USA Today; we find this bold proposal:

Jail 'anti-vax' parents: Column

The entirely preventable California measles outbreak has now sickened more than 70 people. With perhaps hundreds more exposed, the outbreak will likely continue.
... Parents who do not vaccinate their children should go to jail.

I had measles when I was a child. Bed rest and fluids. Now I'm immune, because my body fought off the disease.
Let me understand the logic of the USA Today journalist --
Parents who do not vaccinate their children should go to jail.

So let's say 90 people have had measles, or have been vaccinated. 10 have not, because they decline vaccinations for whatever reason (Amish, etc).

In comes a guy with measles. How many can catch measles? How are those who choose to not have innoculation a threat to the 90?

[BroJones]

How many Amish babies die of the measles?

[Lizzy60]

Does God want us to FORCE others to do something against their closely-held religious principles?

I have a young friend who prayed about vaccinating her baby girl. She received very strong personal revelation that she should NOT. Should she be threatened with jail time, and should they take her baby and vaccinate her. She is a stay-at-home mom, and her child is not in daycare, and will most likely be homeschooled. How is she putting other kids at risk?

[Benjamin_LK]

Mes. quotes an intriguing article in today's USA Today; we find this bold proposal:

Jail 'anti-vax' parents: Column

The entirely preventable California measles outbreak has now sickened more than 70 people. With perhaps hundreds more exposed, the outbreak will likely continue.
... Parents who do not vaccinate their children should go to jail.

I had measles when I was a child. Bed rest and fluids. Now I'm immune, because my body fought off the disease.
Let me understand the logic of the USA Today journalist --
Parents who do not vaccinate their children should go to jail.

So let's say 90 people have had measles, or have been vaccinated. 10 have not, because they decline vaccinations for whatever reason (Amish, etc).

In comes a guy with measles. How many can catch measles? How are those who choose to not have innoculation a threat to the 90?

I would prevent the options as, have your kid get administered the actual measles virus to get sick and develop a long-lasting immunity as a result. If they didn't want the vaccine, then offer them something better, right?

[Benjamin_LK]

Does God want us to FORCE others to do something against their closely-held religious principles?

What religion are you talking about?

[Lizzy60]

I am talking about a personal relationship with God, and receiving personal revelation regarding those under your stewardship -- children God has put in your care. It doesn't require an organized religious affiliation to believe God can reveal His guidance in your life.

[shadow]

I blame Adam and Eve. To heck with the second article of faith.


And yes pink death, there should be better education regarding the effects, good and bad, of vaccines. There are some nasty side effects to vaccines. Lots of studies that link vaccines (particularly the MMR!) to autism and ADD etc.
hey, don't you have a boy who suffers from this? Is he vaccinated? :-ss

My kids aren't vaccinated, except the two with allergies

[buffalo_girl]

The concern is not for the vaccinated people. The risk is for babies who have not been YET vaccinated and those who cannot be vaccinated due to allergies to ingredients in the vaccine, and those with weakened immune systems like those being treated for cancer. The more people who go unvaccinated, the more cases of the measles/whooping cough we see and the less protection babies and those other groups i listed have. Those groups rely on "heard immunity" for their protection. We are starting to lose that.

Babies who are breast fed from mothers who have measles immunity - either from vaccination or from having had the virus - are immune.

I'm still confused as to why parents who have chosen to have their children vaccinated are terrified of having their children exposed to children who have NOT been vaccinated.

DOESN'T VACCINATING your child make him/her IMMUNE? ISN'T that the reason you have them vaccinated?

I had a least two strains of measles as a child. I was pretty sick with the one strain when I was seven or eight. Haven't had measles since.

However, my last tetanus shot included pertussis (whooping cough), and diphtheria. Less than two years after my DPT shot I came down with a 'killer' case of Whooping Cough. My first bout lasted two weeks of bed rest. After spending 1/2 day working in my garden soon after I started feeling better, I had a relapse that put me back in bed for over a month! A lot of vaccinated children in Washington State came down with Whooping Cough a couple of years ago.

Vaccination is NOT a guarantee of immunity. NO ONE should be forced to vaccinate - child or adult!

I do have a 'horror' of Tetanus and would not risk contracting it by failing to receive regular (every 10-20 years) Tetanus specific vaccination. Usually when you or your child have suffered a puncture wound or have had any kind of surgery, you will receive a Tetanus booster.

Here's an interesting read regarding the 'difference between immunization and vaccination'.

http://www.vaccineinjuryhelpcenter.com/ ... ccination/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Livingston]

This is a case of understanding only from a medical point of view as Pink Death has. My 20-year-old son had a reaction to an MMR vaccine and it took more than a decade of homeopathic treatment to right a failing ship. It isn't the disease we should be immunizing against, it is the terrain we should be strengthening.

Vaccination is not a fool-proof method of granting 'herd-immunity'. The idea of calling it this demonstrates a mentality that will always perpetuate the Western view of health.

[BroJones]

This is a case of understanding only from a medical point of view as Pink Death has. My 20-year-old son had a reaction to an MMR vaccine and it took more than a decade of homeopathic treatment to right a failing ship. It isn't the disease we should be immunizing against, it is the terrain we should be strengthening.

Vaccination is not a fool-proof method of granting 'herd-immunity'. The idea of calling it this demonstrates a mentality that will always perpetuate the Western view of health.

Well said, and welcome.

Buff-girl raised the question I was asking also 0--- will anyone answer?

I'm still confused as to why parents who have chosen to have their children vaccinated are terrified of having their children exposed to children who have NOT been vaccinated.

DOESN'T VACCINATING your child make him/her IMMUNE? ISN'T that the reason you have them vaccinated?

[shadow]

The answer doc, is that babies aren't supposed to get the MMR until they are at least one. So those who can't be vaccinated are threatened by those who won't get vaccinated.

I disagree with vaccinations, particularly FORCED vaccinations.


And yes Pink Death, lots of myths with the MMR.

I suggest reading this link, and studying it out. Give it an honest look and decide if all is as it seems from the pro vax folks. And maybe you'll still be a pro vaxer, maybe not. But study it out a bit.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... utism.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[A Random Phrase]

Why force parents to vaccinate their kids?

Because it is easier to decrease the surplus population at some point. Trusting and brainwashed parents take their children in and guess what is really in the syringes? (It could happen. In fact, some believe that AIDS got to this country via free vaccines for homosexuals in California many years ago.)

I'm rather negative about vaccines. My oldest went into shock after hers. I reported it, but didn't have much hope that it would make any difference. My youngest got a vaccine without my knowledge and permission (just a guilty look on the face of the nurse when I refused to sign to give them the right to do it. It was later, at a doctor's appointment, that I found out what they did. Are my son's issues with language a result of this? I believe so. [Luckily it is not bad enough to be noticeable, he just appears to be someone who doesn't like to hear people talk very long, nor likes to read and write if he can get away with it.] )

[A Random Phrase]

Mes. quotes an intriguing article in today's USA Today; we find this bold proposal:

Jail 'anti-vax' parents: Column

The entirely preventable California measles outbreak has now sickened more than 70 people. With perhaps hundreds more exposed, the outbreak will likely continue.
... Parents who do not vaccinate their children should go to jail.

I had measles when I was a child. Bed rest and fluids. Now I'm immune, because my body fought off the disease.
Let me understand the logic of the USA Today journalist --
Parents who do not vaccinate their children should go to jail.

So let's say 90 people have had measles, or have been vaccinated. 10 have not, because they decline vaccinations for whatever reason (Amish, etc).

In comes a guy with measles. How many can catch measles? How are those who choose to not have innoculation a threat to the 90?

This is exactly my stance. If vaccinations work, then how are unvaccinated children a threat? How are vaccinated children in any danger? It's all just a game of fear and control.

[A Random Phrase]

The concern is not for the vaccinated people. The risk is for babies who have not been YET vaccinated and those who cannot be vaccinated due to allergies to ingredients in the vaccine, and those with weakened immune systems like those being treated for cancer. The more people who go unvaccinated, the more cases of the measles/whooping cough we see and the less protection babies and those other groups i listed have. Those groups rely on "heard immunity" for their protection. We are starting to lose that.

I got a "mild" case of whooping cough about eight years ago. It was going around. Some people linked it to a child who had been vaccinated.

When my children were little, a friend of mine got her baby vaccinated and was told to stay away from unvaccinated children for x amount of time (1 or 2 weeks) because her baby could give them the disease - so we didn't see her for a while.

Babies have protection if their mothers have it, if they are nursed. The immunity wears off after the baby is weaned. Not sure if this applies to babies that are given supplements/food in addition to nursing.

[A Random Phrase]

Does God want us to FORCE others to do something against their closely-held religious principles?

What religion are you talking about?

It is against my religious convictions to vaccinate my children. It doesn't matter to me what the stance is of the church I belong to. My personal or, as Lizzy said, "closely-held religious principles" are opposed to vaccines.

[A Random Phrase]

I am talking about a personal relationship with God, and receiving personal revelation regarding those under your stewardship -- children God has put in your care. It doesn't require an organized religious affiliation to believe God can reveal His guidance in your life.

Amen

[A Random Phrase]

I blame Adam and Eve. To heck with the second article of faith.


And yes pink death, there should be better education regarding the effects, good and bad, of vaccines. There are some nasty side effects to vaccines. Lots of studies that link vaccines (particularly the MMR!) to autism and ADD etc.
hey, don't you have a boy who suffers from this? Is he vaccinated? :-ss

My kids aren't vaccinated, except the two with allergies

I know of people who were paralyzed on one side because of vaccines (or, in the case of a man I know, one arm from the elbow down - flu vaccine).

[A Random Phrase]

This post is worth repeating. :ymapplause:

I'm still confused as to why parents who have chosen to have their children vaccinated are terrified of having their children exposed to children who have NOT been vaccinated.

DOESN'T VACCINATING your child make him/her IMMUNE? ISN'T that the reason you have them vaccinated?

I had a least two strains of measles as a child. I was pretty sick with the one strain when I was seven or eight. Haven't had measles since.

However, my last tetanus shot included pertussis (whooping cough), and diphtheria. Less than two years after my DPT shot I came down with a 'killer' case of Whooping Cough. My first bout lasted two weeks of bed rest. After spending 1/2 day working in my garden soon after I started feeling better, I had a relapse that put me back in bed for over a month! A lot of vaccinated children in Washington State came down with Whooping Cough a couple of years ago.

Vaccination is NOT a guarantee of immunity. NO ONE should be forced to vaccinate - child or adult!

I do have a 'horror' of Tetanus and would not risk contracting it by failing to receive regular (every 10-20 years) Tetanus specific vaccination. Usually when you or your child have suffered a puncture wound or have had any kind of surgery, you will receive a Tetanus booster.

Here's an interesting read regarding the 'difference between immunization and vaccination'.

http://www.vaccineinjuryhelpcenter.com/ ... ccination/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[A Random Phrase]

I did answer you silly. I said that the worry isn't for vaccinated kids. Yes they are immune. The worry is for those who aren't. Nobody is worried about the vaccinated kids. There seems to be a lot of confusion about this.
And Livingston...i do realize the side effects of vaccines...that they are real and they are terrible but also extremely rare in comparison to the diseases being vaccinated against. And I am sorry you and your son had to go through that.

2/3 of my children reacted. That's 66.6%
0 of my children got whooping cough. That's 0.0%
0 of my children got the other diseases people vaccinate for. That's 0.0%.
(Chicken pox vaccine didn't come around until they were older. 2/3 of them got chicken pox. 66%. But the chicken pox also came from a child who had been vaccinated, who gave it to the children in the area.)

For our family, the side effects were real and not at all "extremely rare". If children must be vaccinated, they should wait until the children are old enough to fight off the toxins in the vaccines.

[A Random Phrase]

The answer doc, is that babies aren't supposed to get the MMR until they are at least one. So those who can't be vaccinated are threatened by those who won't get vaccinated.

But, if those babies are nursed by a mother who has a natural immunity, the baby won't get the diseases as long as they are nursing. (Vaccinated mothers don't seem to carry a lifelong immunity - or else it doesn't carry over to a nursing baby.)

[BroJones]

I have done a lot of research on the subject. Something I've been very interested in...especially when all the autism stud came out. Read many things for both sides...my conclusion i came to was that i choose to vaccinate. That the benefits outway the risks.

Your conclusion-- and its OK for you to do so -- as long as you don't try to FORCE it on someone else. (Who's plan is THAT?)

[A Random Phrase]

I have done a lot of research on the subject. Something I've been very interested in...especially when all the autism stud came out. Read many things for both sides...my conclusion i came to was that i choose to vaccinate. That the benefits outway the risks.

I think this is the way it should be. Research. Make an informed decision. The brainwashing and fear-mongering way of getting Americans to do things really ought to stop.



In my research, I discovered that those diseases were declining (according to the death rate in the U.S. and England) before vaccines became popular. Now, most (if not all) of those diseases are caused by the vaccines.

Interesting thing. When I got that whooping cough, my children didn't - or else it was so mild that it seemed like an ordinary cold. They were not vaccinated against it (except for my oldest when she was a few weeks old in the dpt/polio stuff they gave her about 13 years earlier).

[A Random Phrase]

I have done a lot of research on the subject. Something I've been very interested in...especially when all the autism stud came out. Read many things for both sides...my conclusion i came to was that i choose to vaccinate. That the benefits outway the risks.

Your conclusion-- and its OK for you to do so -- as long as you don't try to FORCE it on someone else. (Who's plan is THAT?)

:ymapplause:

[A Random Phrase]

You're a good person, Muerte Rosa. (This was in response to all your posts. The last one just showed up now, right after I clicked "submit".)

[A Random Phrase]

I don't believe in all of them either. I don't get me or my family a flu shot...i think it's worthless.

You know, the idea behind vaccines sounds good. If they really worked and were really harmless, the flu shots would still be worthless ... because the serum is for flus that were around earlier and the flu viruses have mutated each season. The flu going around this year is not the same as the ones that went around earlier.