Are we suppose to pay tithing on our "Surplus Property" to?

[caddis]

Your statement to me is a threat. And so help me god I would kill to protect my children from people like you and the state who don't know correct godly principles. And I also know that I would be justified in doing so.

God entrusted those children to those parents. If God trusts them who the hell are you to think you know better then God.

You have obliviously pushed my buttons. And I'm up in arms right now over it. If you were standing in front of me you wouldn't walk away from this conversation. And I would feel really bad about it after wards.

It's not smart to threaten people's children. Your messing with God when you do.


All I have to say is your statement is a total a$$ thing to ever say or do.

Is your Dad Chris Hansen aka CHH?

We will know for sure if he starts ranting about what a "real" dollar is.

[freedomforall]

When someone hits a raw nerve

1. Why the ouch?
2. What's really happening?
3. The antidote to "ouch!"

But what can be said about those who "it appears" cause an "ouch" on purpose?

This picture can depict someone out to make things bad for others. It is truly a calling?

[freedomforall]

I was kidding lol And i can honestly say one of my weaknesses is the desire to "cause ouch" i have a nasty vindictive streak. Not proud of that.

Maybe the picture actually depicts the White House. There is always something crumby coming down from it that can make some peoples blood boil.

And it is Satan's calling to make it happen!

[braingrunt]

Every cent you get is something you didn't have before; and ANYTHING that cent buys is also something you didn't have before. so it's increase. Makes sense to me.

[freedomforall]

Every cent you get is something you didn't have before; and ANYTHING that cent buys is also something you didn't have before. so it's increase. Makes sense to me.

Isn't one major problem because many people earning a peanut income try to live a champagne lifestyle and use this situation as an excuse for not paying a full tithe? And isn't another reason for paying less because some people's heart just isn't into paying what is due to the Lord, as if the Lord doesn't really require ten percent?
I know these to be true because I've been there, done that. I realized that a partial tithe just might provide a partial glory called the Telestial kingdom.

[braingrunt]

Every cent you get is something you didn't have before; and ANYTHING that cent buys is also something you didn't have before. so it's increase. Makes sense to me.

Isn't one major problem because many people earning a peanut income try to live a champagne lifestyle and use this situation as an excuse for not paying a full tithe? And isn't another reason for paying less because some people's heart just isn't into paying what is due to the Lord, as if the Lord doesn't really require ten percent?
I know these to be true because I've been there, done that. I realized that a partial tithe just might provide a partial glory called the Telestial kingdom.

I wonder which side of the debate you think im on. If it wasnt clear, there was no irony intended in my post, and i think all your money, no matter how its used, is increase, and therefore should be tithed according to the scriptures.
Some of the dissenting opinion sounds compassionate and reasonable, but i dont care for it because i think the scriptures tell me to tithe it anyway. I dont recall jesus chiding the widows mite, or saying she shouldnt have paid it

[Ezra]

Sound like freedom for all agrees with you. And I do too.

[Grudunza]

The scriptures tell us to tithe a tenth of our surplus, the increase over which we have need (see JST Genesis 14:39), as a standing law. We're also taught to be good stewards over our finances and our families and to pay our debtors what they're owed and not to become debtors ourselves. The scriptures are in harmony when paying on net after reasonable expenses and after paying our debtors, and that is the only method that is fair and uniform across the board for all incomes and situations, and does not put an extra burden upon the poor.

The widow's mite wasn't tithing. It was a charitable contribution, or offering. We are taught to pay the law of tithing to support the basic framework of the church, but we are also commanded repeatedly in scripture to pay generous offerings, and that therein lies the greater measure of our faith and charity. If you're concerned about "partial glory" or blessings, I would look at charitable contributions, and not worry about paying more than the expected amount of tithing.

I look at tithing as the dues you pay to help maintain the structure and pay off the incurred debts of the organization (which is what it's described as being for, in D&C 119). Are you blessed with a great physique merely for joining a gym and paying the membership dues? It may be a required part of the process to be able to go there, but the real blessing and "glory" of that is in the continual exercising and use of the gym equipment. Someone may pay 30% of their gross income on tithing, and pay it before everything else, but what really matters is how often and how well they show up and exercise (their faith and service).

[freedomforall]

Every cent you get is something you didn't have before; and ANYTHING that cent buys is also something you didn't have before. so it's increase. Makes sense to me.

Isn't one major problem because many people earning a peanut income try to live a champagne lifestyle and use this situation as an excuse for not paying a full tithe? And isn't another reason for paying less because some people's heart just isn't into paying what is due to the Lord, as if the Lord doesn't really require ten percent?
I know these to be true because I've been there, done that. I realized that a partial tithe just might provide a partial glory called the Telestial kingdom.

I wonder which side of the debate you think im on. If it wasnt clear, there was no irony intended in my post, and i think all your money, no matter how its used, is increase, and therefore should be tithed according to the scriptures.
Some of the dissenting opinion sounds compassionate and reasonable, but i dont care for it because i think the scriptures tell me to tithe it anyway. I dont recall jesus chiding the widows mite, or saying she shouldnt have paid it

Sorry. I shouldn't have put my thoughts in association with your post. Actually, I agree with you. Didn't mean to cause you to think otherwise.
Carry on! :ymhug:

[oklds]

The scriptures tell us to tithe a tenth of our surplus, the increase over which we have need (see JST Genesis 14:39), as a standing law. We're also taught to be good stewards over our finances and our families and to pay our debtors what they're owed and not to become debtors ourselves. The scriptures are in harmony when paying on net after reasonable expenses and after paying our debtors, and that is the only method that is fair and uniform across the board for all incomes and situations, and does not put an extra burden upon the poor.

The widow's mite wasn't tithing. It was a charitable contribution, or offering. We are taught to pay the law of tithing to support the basic framework of the church, but we are also commanded repeatedly in scripture to pay generous offerings, and that therein lies the greater measure of our faith and charity. If you're concerned about "partial glory" or blessings, I would look at charitable contributions, and not worry about paying more than the expected amount of tithing.

I look at tithing as the dues you pay to help maintain the structure and pay off the incurred debts of the organization (which is what it's described as being for, in D&C 119). Are you blessed with a great physique merely for joining a gym and paying the membership dues? It may be a required part of the process to be able to go there, but the real blessing and "glory" of that is in the continual exercising and use of the gym equipment. Someone may pay 30% of their gross income on tithing, and pay it before everything else, but what really matters is how often and how well they show up and exercise (their faith and service).

Yep. The one and only gift Almighty God actually gave me was time; I can always get more money. If I tithe my time, I am actually giving God something which actually costs me something, and is actually worth something to him. The weird thing is, when I tithe my time, I actually end up with more of it than I would have had if I had not done so. Besides, is anyone really stupid enough to believe that God needs your money?