Disease outbreaks, start of possible pandemics

[bobhenstra]

Which we are promised!

D&C, 5:18-19

During the time that the world hardens their hearts against the gospel, a desolating scourge will pour out upon the earth from time to time.

18 And their testimony shall also go forth unto the condemnation of this generation if they harden their hearts against them;
19 For a desolating scourge shall go forth among the inhabitants of the earth, and shall continue to be poured out from time to time, if they repent not, until the earth is empty, and the inhabitants thereof are consumed away and utterly destroyed by the brightness of my coming.
D&C, 45:30-32

When the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled, an overflowing scourge shall cover the land. But the Lord's disciples will stand in holy places and will not be among the wicked.

30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.
32 But my disciples shall stand in holy places, and shall not be moved; but among the wicked, men shall lift up their voices and curse God and die.
D&C, 97:23-26

23 The Lord's scourge shall pass over by night and by day, and the report thereof shall vex all people; yea, it shall not be stayed until the Lord come;
24 For the indignation of the Lord is kindled against their abominations and all their wicked works.
25 Nevertheless, Zion shall escape if she observe to do all things whatsoever I have commanded her.

JD, B YOUNG 15:193

I refer to a revelation given in the year 1833, called the Word of Wisdom. We fail to obey it to-day, and we shall fail to-morrow unless we make a short turn and determine in our own minds that we will obey it. How many of us have disregarded that revelation, in every particular? It is to be found in the Doctrine and Covenants, and it shadows to me that a time will come in the midst of this people when a desolating scourge will pass through our ranks, and the destroying angel will be in our midst as he was in Egypt when he slew all the firstborn of the Egyptians. God says "The destroying angel shall pass by" and shall not harm you if you will observe to do these things.

JD, O PRATT 12:344

For the Lord has said in this book, (the Book of Mormon) which has been published for thirty eight years, that if they will not repent He will throw down all their strongholds and cut off the cities of the land, and will execute vengeance and fury on the nation, even as upon the heathen, such as they have not heard. That He will send a desolating scourge on the land; that He will leave their cities desolate, without inhabitants.

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Gonna get my flu shot in a few weeks, will need to re-prepare my will (again). This one is sure to do me in-- Uh, that's according to the many medical experts on this site---But, we all know about experts-----

Bob

[A Random Phrase]

Bobby, I was wondering where you've been. Either we don't hang out in the same threads anymore, or one of us is not on here as much.

Already, it's time for a new thread on flu shots? Wow, time flies! (You proved us wrong by not being killed by the flu shots last time around - I think. This is really you, right? :)) )

[bobhenstra]

Yup, me! Not twinkled yet---- :-\

[TZONE]

I already got the flu or cold. uhk. sinuses right now.

[InfoWarrior82]

Bob, you're not a sucker, are you?




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[Bee Prepared]

Whatever it takes Bob, just stay healthy! :ymhug:

[jdawg1012]

I already got the flu or cold. uhk. sinuses right now.

TZONE, this may or may not help you, but I'm hoping it will (and anyone else).

I'm adamantly opposed to getting a flu shot myself. My dad, may he rest in peace, was only every sick a few times in his whole life, and only a very few (until nigh unto his death) during my lifetime. The last ten or so years of his life he got the flu shot, and nearly died both times (years apart). I have never gotten one that I know of (I may have as a kid), but I got really, really sick when I had shots as a youth. I refuse to get a single one.

Now to the important part of my post. Last year I found out that I have a genetic vitamin D deficiency. I have to take pretty large doses of vitamin D (I usually take about 100,000+ IU a few times a week, or otherwise take 30-50,000 IU a day, depending upon how I feel.) I had read that vitamin D3 is a cure for the flu, and I'm a believer. I never get the flu anymore, even around people who have it. Everyone around me can get sick, even much more healthy people, and I tend not to. I used to be chronically ill (for decades), but after getting enough vitamin D, I rarely get very sick (unless I have digestive issues, which are separate). If I do get anything, I just take a load of vitamin c. I take about 4000mg every couple hours until I feel I might get incontinent (vitamin C is water soluble), and then I back off. I'm usually well within a few days. I tend to only get somewhat symptomatic if something particularly bad is going around and usually for me it's of short duration, and low severity.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that, because I'll take the vitamin D over a flu shot anytime!

(P.S. If you are vitamin D deficient, most people in northern latitudes are anyway, by nature of exposure--vitamin D will boost your energy and your mental acumen, and emotional state. Just saying.)

[marc]

Woohoo, Bob is still with us! You better give us notice before you finally head for that big ppi in the sky. O:-)

[Lizzy60]

jdawg -- it's really weird how I agree completely with you on some things, and then you drive me nuts on others! Keeps things interesting.
I had a flu shot - once - in the 70's (I was coerced) and never since. I will NEVER get one. I'm grateful that I am not in a situation that I would lose my job for declining, as some people are. I have experienced some flak from friends because of my stance, and my son and his wife, who make sure their VERY young children get flu shots yearly, won't allow me to discuss the issue.
Also, I take 6000 IU of vitamin D daily, and I very rarely get sick. I also use a lot of Vitamin C when I feel a cold coming on, but I may increase the amount based on your experience. I have had my father tell me I was totally crazy, but I quit listening to him a long, long time ago!! I can't argue with him, I am crazy.

[Bee Prepared]

Bobby is the only boy allowed in my underwater basket weaving club!

[marc]

Bobby is the only boy allowed in my underwater basket weaving club!

=)) =)) =))

[TZONE]

I have never had flu shots, except the past two years because work gave them out. I feel they made little difference but they could have helped. Not really sure. Nor did I get really sick when I did take them. This year I got sick quick. Either way I probably won't get the shots. I may try the Vitamin D. May help. I am taking On Guard (essential oil) occasionally.

[jdawg1012]

jdawg -- it's really weird how I agree completely with you on some things, and then you drive me nuts on others! Keeps things interesting.
I had a flu shot - once - in the 70's (I was coerced) and never since. I will NEVER get one. I'm grateful that I am not in a situation that I would lose my job for declining, as some people are. I have experienced some flak from friends because of my stance, and my son and his wife, who make sure their VERY young children get flu shots yearly, won't allow me to discuss the issue.
Also, I take 6000 IU of vitamin D daily, and I very rarely get sick. I also use a lot of Vitamin C when I feel a cold coming on, but I may increase the amount based on your experience. I have had my father tell me I was totally crazy, but I quit listening to him a long, long time ago!! I can't argue with him, I am crazy.

Awww Lizzy, I (Platonicly, no bans, please) love you, too. It's ok that we don't always agree, as long as we're working towards understanding one another!

I first learned about the vitamin C by a man in my stake who was dying of Cancer, but went to a doctor that specializes in massive vitamin IV's. I forgot the exact name, but anyway, they cured him. He had gotten chemo and whatnot (if I remember correctly) like 3 times, and finally it came back and nothing responded. Then he went to this specialist that said something along the lines of "I can cure you, but it'll probably cost about $1,000. And you have to keep coming back every x weeks for 3 months." The man told be he said, "What have I got to lose at this point?" So he did it, and that was that.

Anyway, it's impossible to OD on Vitamin C, that I know of, you will just keep flushing it out. It doesn't store. So if you get to the point of incontinence, you just stop adding more. I recommend reading about Vitamin C levels from the vitamin C Institute or Foundation (I forget which, and can't remember their website!), but they basically say take 2-6000mg a day, but that you can take much more. They site the studies on other animals (only a handful cannot make their own), and how corresponding levels in humans should be in the 10,000's (we cannot make our own either, by the way).

If I find the website, I'll post it, it has links to lost of research papers on the subject.

[jdawg1012]

I have never had flu shots, except the past two years because work gave them out. I feel they made little difference but they could have helped. Not really sure. Nor did I get really sick when I did take them. This year I got sick quick. Either way I probably won't get the shots. I may try the Vitamin D. May help. I am taking On Guard (essential oil) occasionally.

Please tell me your experience with "On Guard." I use essential oils for skin conditions, burns, bugbites, etc., but don't really eat them (Except Oregano Oil, which I don't know if it counts). I have heard of "On Guard" (by doterra, right?), but have not used it/them.

[Jarbar]

I've never had the flu shot (or any vaccines for that matter). Haven't had the flu since the January of 2009

[creator]

I'd rather get the flu than a flu shot.

[Silas]

Every time I get a flu shot I get really sick with the flu within about a month or so. It is awful and I hate it.

[jdawg1012]

I'd rather get the flu than a flu shot.

Well, since the flu shot's "protection" from the flu is virtually nonexistent (and in many cases amplifies it), even getting the one, you're pretty well condemned to get both!

[leth]

I'd rather get the flu than a flu shot.

I got the swine flu my first year at San Diego Comic Con. Worst. Flu. Ever.

Imagine getting hit by a train without going into shock. It is like that.

Go get hit by a large car and then let a 300 pound lineman site on you. Blanket off? Antarctica! Blanket on? Furnace of Hell!
That is the swine flu.

That said, I've never had a flu shot. My wife works as a Pharmacist Technician and gets one every year and I don't think I get sick more or worse than she does.

Aren't flu shots an educated guess? They guess at which strain will be prolific, no?

[bobhenstra]

Since I have been taking flu injections I haven't had the flu, many years! People, relatives all around me sicker than dogs, but not me! Same goes with the pneumonia shot. For years I suffered from a condition that made me ill every Winter, I called it "Mom's" disease because she suffered from the same malady that lasted both of us up to three or more months. One single pneumonia shot stopped "Mom's" disease dead in it's tracks, haven't suffered from it since! I tried all the vitamin therapies, none worked!

I also suffered from serious migraines for many years, only my doctor was able to help, I trust him! I have no trust in vitamin "therapies," but I do take a multi-vitamin daily.

My wife JoAnn died of ovarian cancer 5 1/2 years ago. She tried all the different supposed therapies, none worked, not one! Then chemo made her so sick she had to be hospitalized, until she decided---no more! Her pain was incredible, was not totally controllable until her last three months. A new drug stopped her pain and she was pain free for her last three months, I was very grateful! We had very spiritual conversations I'll remember forever, conversations we were not able to have after cancer pain started!

Jo and I had 8 kids, one died just at birth because of a blood clot. I insisted all our kids would be born in a hospital, I wanted the very best care available for Jo and our child, I would settle for nothing less!

I'll take the shot rather than suffer the flu!

Bob

[TZONE]

I have never had flu shots, except the past two years because work gave them out. I feel they made little difference but they could have helped. Not really sure. Nor did I get really sick when I did take them. This year I got sick quick. Either way I probably won't get the shots. I may try the Vitamin D. May help. I am taking On Guard (essential oil) occasionally.

Please tell me your experience with "On Guard." I use essential oils for skin conditions, burns, bugbites, etc., but don't really eat them (Except Oregano Oil, which I don't know if it counts). I have heard of "On Guard" (by doterra, right?), but have not used it/them.

I am a slight skeptic, my wife loves it. It does seem to help kill it or help you get better faster. I can't tell if its just psychological or not though lol. My wife uses it though in while at her job and it helps her from not getting so sick being around a lot of kids. So not sure what to say. Try google i guess. If you believe oils really work well, than I bet On guard will do the trick. Some are hit and miss for certain people though. It does have a kick when I drink it haha.

I hear its a good preventative and just like anything once you get the flu/cold you just got to fight it off and it won't help too much get over it, maybe a little faster. We diffuse it in our bedroom occasionally at night.

[jdawg1012]

I'd rather get the flu than a flu shot.

I got the swine flu my first year at San Diego Comic Con. Worst. Flu. Ever.

Imagine getting hit by a train without going into shock. It is like that.

Go get hit by a large car and then let a 300 pound lineman site on you. Blanket off? Antarctica! Blanket on? Furnace of Hell!
That is the swine flu.

That said, I've never had a flu shot. My wife works as a Pharmacist Technician and gets one every year and I don't think I get sick more or worse than she does.

Aren't flu shots an educated guess? They guess at which strain will be prolific, no?

I got the swine flu, it hit people with a healthy immune system more than the weak (like the Spanish Flue last century). I was sick, for about a week, with moderate symptoms, but one of my coworkers was hospitalized and incapacitated for nearly a month, if I remember right, and he was under the constant care of an RN, his mother!

To answer your question about flue shot's, I'm going to copy/paste my response to how they're created from a thread from January (note, not everything will relate to this thread, or even be of interest, as it's outside the original context):

I think may have once had the flu vaccine as a kid, and if I remember correctly, I got pretty sick. I know that in all of my adult life, I have refused to ever get the flu vaccine. I stupidly got one for hepatitis as an adult, years back, but now would refuse any of them. I have had formal (college/university) education in microbiology, and epidemiology, as well as the history of vaccines. I am by no means a vaccine or germ expert, but I refuse to use anti-bacterials, and refuse to have vaccines (I do use alcohol as a disinfectant, per the Word of Wisdom).

Growing up where I did, one of the major pharmaceutical companies was a big employer. As such several of my college professors were former employees for the drug companies (I don't know if all worked for the same one). I also had several friends that worked in the industry. Specifically in the field of SSRIs, et al., one professor was a statistician for one of the world's largest drug companies. He unequivocally stated that the numbers are manipulated to get the desired effect, and pleaded with all of the classes to never take mood altering drugs, because the true clinical numbers showed that they were virtually no different from a placebo. In any event, I was never convinced about most drugs, in general, and refuse to use most of them for any condition.

Anyway, going back to your comment:

One of my biology professors (she had taught from many decades, and was probably in her 70's), stated that we should never get the flu vaccine. In her words, she said, "There are thousands of strains of the flu, and each year 6 strains are chosen based upon extrapolation of severity, communicability, and mortality, etc." She continued, "These 6 are chosen the year prior, and are the best guess as to what MAY become a problem in the following year. They're not necessarily the "worst" in symptoms, mortality, etc., they're just the ones that have a convergence of conditions that are presumed to have the biggest impact." She said, "Even if you take them, you will probably get the flu, and possibly several times--the vaccine doesn't protect you from the other thousands of strains, many of which, you will encounter."

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I have since heard that by the "biggest impact" it refers to the strains they prognosticate may cause the most economic strain, ie. days missed from work. I believe I read that it's the WHO that determines which strains are the candidates. Additionally studies have shown that besides the 6 strains which you might (and I stress MIGHT), be inoculated against getting, you become more susceptible to the other forms of flu. I'm not sure if that was due to the adjuvants, a weakened immune system or what. ANyway, to each his/her own, I guess.

[jdawg1012]

I have never had flu shots, except the past two years because work gave them out. I feel they made little difference but they could have helped. Not really sure. Nor did I get really sick when I did take them. This year I got sick quick. Either way I probably won't get the shots. I may try the Vitamin D. May help. I am taking On Guard (essential oil) occasionally.

Please tell me your experience with "On Guard." I use essential oils for skin conditions, burns, bugbites, etc., but don't really eat them (Except Oregano Oil, which I don't know if it counts). I have heard of "On Guard" (by doterra, right?), but have not used it/them.

I am a slight skeptic, my wife loves it. It does seem to help kill it or help you get better faster. I can't tell if its just psychological or not though lol. My wife uses it though in while at her job and it helps her from not getting so sick being around a lot of kids. So not sure what to say. Try google i guess. If you believe oils really work well, than I bet On guard will do the trick. Some are hit and miss for certain people though. It does have a kick when I drink it haha.

I hear its a good preventative and just like anything once you get the flu/cold you just got to fight it off and it won't help too much get over it, maybe a little faster. We diffuse it in our bedroom occasionally at night.

Well, based on your experience, I might just have to try it. One interesting thing, is that there's a lot of remedies that I have heard will work for thing, but which I have not yet (thankfully) had the opportunity to try, as I don't get sick that often anymore. I may order a bottle and try it out, or keep it on hand, just in case. I have had the sense that if something really bad did ever become widespread, that's not only will there be a lot of people that may need treatment/help, but that I'll personally be glad to have a myriad of things to try throwing at it, lol.

[Bee Prepared]

Everywhere I go, I see " Free Flu Shots". I smell a skunk!! I walk a wide berth around the area. Mercury, Thermisol, whatever they want to call it, I don't trust them. I have never seen so much infertility in my life. Population control? Conspiracy, I'm not so sure.

I also would rather have the flu than get a flu shot.

[AshleyB]

Haha Bob! You are a stubborn one... those flu shots have little chance in hell of killing you off. :)) :ymhug: Looks like you are stuck with us for a while. I was wondering when you were going to make your yearly flu shot post. :ymparty: