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Church Members Mistreat Homeless Man in Church Unaware It Is Their Pastor in Disguise

Pastor Jeremiah Steepek transformed himself into a homeless person and went to the 10,000 member church that he was to be introduced as the head pastor at that morning.

He walked around his soon to be church for 30 minutes while it was filling with people for service, only 3 people out of the 7-10,000 people said hello to him.

He asked people for change to buy food – no one in the church gave him change.

He went into the sanctuary to sit down in the front of the church and was asked by the ushers if he would please sit in the back.

He greeted people to be greeted back with stares and dirty looks, with people looking down on him and judging him.

As he sat in the back of the church, he listened to the church announcements and such.

When all that was done, the elders went up and were excited to introduce the new pastor of the church to the congregation.

“We would like to introduce to you Pastor Jeremiah Steepek.” The congregation looked around clapping with joy and anticipation.

The homeless man sitting in the back stood up and started walking down the aisle. The clapping stopped with all eyes on him.



He walked up the altar and took the microphone from the elders (who were in on this) and paused for a moment then he recited,

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

‘The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

After he recited this, he looked towards the congregation and told them all what he had experienced that morning. Many began to cry and many heads were bowed in shame.

He then said, “Today I see a gathering of people, not a church of Jesus Christ. The world has enough people, but not enough disciples. When will YOU decide to become disciples?”

He then dismissed service until next week.

Following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ should be more than just talk. It ought to be a lifestyle that others around you can love about you and share in.
I want to do this downtown SLC sometime when I come up... anybody want to help with costume and makeup? Filming? I already look the part.

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That'd be a good documentary for sure!

I read that account of the pastor previously and even shared it on FB. I suppose it's probably fake as most things are these days - but it's the idea that has power to teach and wake up people.

I'd like to see this happen in my own congregation on Sunday. Maybe I can share this with one of the High Priests in our Stake and he'll do it? :)

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Church Members Mistreat Homeless Man in Church Unaware It Is Their Pastor in Disguise

Pastor Jeremiah Steepek transformed himself into a homeless person and went to the 10,000 member church that he was to be introduced as the head pastor at that morning.

He walked around his soon to be church for 30 minutes while it was filling with people for service, only 3 people out of the 7-10,000 people said hello to him.

He asked people for change to buy food – no one in the church gave him change.

He went into the sanctuary to sit down in the front of the church and was asked by the ushers if he would please sit in the back.

He greeted people to be greeted back with stares and dirty looks, with people looking down on him and judging him.

As he sat in the back of the church, he listened to the church announcements and such.

When all that was done, the elders went up and were excited to introduce the new pastor of the church to the congregation.

“We would like to introduce to you Pastor Jeremiah Steepek.” The congregation looked around clapping with joy and anticipation.

The homeless man sitting in the back stood up and started walking down the aisle. The clapping stopped with all eyes on him.



He walked up the altar and took the microphone from the elders (who were in on this) and paused for a moment then he recited,

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

‘The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

After he recited this, he looked towards the congregation and told them all what he had experienced that morning. Many began to cry and many heads were bowed in shame.

He then said, “Today I see a gathering of people, not a church of Jesus Christ. The world has enough people, but not enough disciples. When will YOU decide to become disciples?”

He then dismissed service until next week.

Following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ should be more than just talk. It ought to be a lifestyle that others around you can love about you and share in.
I want to do this downtown SLC sometime when I come up... anybody want to help with costume and makeup? Filming? I already look the part.
I had the same idea - I was going to do this in my own ward and see how the members treated me. I'm totally in if you want help!

P.S. I have access to surveillance equipment to covertly document/record it - as Swiftbrook said, this would be an excellent documentary!

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A homeless man approached the car my wife was in as they waited in the church parking lot to go to the temple, asking for money.

Take a guess what happened.

OK, I'll tell you. 5 sisters argued as whether this man was deserved it, should see the bishop, was going to drink it away, or whatever.

My wife passed $20 forward for the driver to give him.

If I was my wife, I would have just gotten out of the car and gone home. There would have been no point after that, and I'm sure I don't need to explain why.

The LDS are so programmed that they cannot even loosen up to give a homeless man a few bucks.

I think the homeless man was Jesus Christ.

I think the reaction of the sisters in the car is so typical.

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We think we are the homeless man's judge. We judge he will use the money to drink and we, being more righteous than him, can not finance his sin in good faith.

We are horribly wicked in our thinking. God lets the sun shine on EVERYONE. We should share bountifully with EVERYONE. We ask, receive, and misuse blessings all the time from the Lord. He doesn't judge us to be unworthy of His blessings. We ought to do the same for others.

Who has the Tenth Parable handy?? Someone emailed it to me a couple years ago but I've lost it and I would love to re-read and share it with my husband today.

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Is the admonition by the church to not give money to panhandlers something that was written somewhere, or announced in sacrament, or just a verbal instruction from leaders, or...? I'd like to see a source for that, but I know I've always been told that we are not to give money to them - especially those outside the temple.

It makes me so sad to see that people actually turn their noses up and practically trip over those in need as they carry their temple bags to go do ordinances for the Lord.....

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Awesome story. I'd love to see what happens when you try this in SLC. Go for it!

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...Or all the well-dressed Elders of the Church rushing by the thousands into the Conference Center for Priesthood Session and brushing right past the old homeless woman holding up a petition for help? Okay, maybe I'll just buy the book.

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I have some camera equipment and a really nice mic to mic me up with. I think it would be fun to get a couple people though.

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clarkkent14 wrote:I have some camera equipment and a really nice mic to mic me up with. I think it would be fun to get a couple people though.
As I said, I'm with you!

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I am trying to get up on conference weekend...

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ithink wrote:
The LDS are so programmed that they cannot even loosen up to give a homeless man a few bucks.
I take great issue with this comment. At no time as a lifelong member of the LDS Church have I ever been counseled against giving to anyone in need. Such being the case, I have given to many who have crossed my path, and not so I could report it here and thump my chest about it.

I appreciate the story about the pastor, but be careful of the motives you might have in performing such a ruse.

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Please keep us posted! I think if someone were to do this where I currently live, that the members of the Church would welcome such an individual with open arms and all sorts of offers of help without question.

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jo1952 wrote:Please keep us posted! I think if someone were to do this where I currently live, that the members of the Church would welcome such an individual with open arms and all sorts of offers of help without question.
That's wonderful Jo that you have members like that in your area. I've seen firsthand that in my area, even members of the stake have been shunned and denied life-sustaining help to those truly in need. I've seen this in other stakes as well.

For sevenator, I've also been counseled all my life not to give money to beggars and panhandlers because "they are breaking the law, and will probably just drink it away, so we are not to contribute to that". Also, I've been told that we are "not to enable those sitting around the temple and conference center" and if we refuse help to them, then "they will go away".

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JulesGP wrote:
jo1952 wrote:Please keep us posted! I think if someone were to do this where I currently live, that the members of the Church would welcome such an individual with open arms and all sorts of offers of help without question.
That's wonderful Jo that you have members like that in your area. I've seen firsthand that in my area, even members of the stake have been shunned and denied life-sustaining help to those truly in need. I've seen this in other stakes as well.

For sevenator, I've also been counseled all my life not to give money to beggars and panhandlers because "they are breaking the law, and will probably just drink it away, so we are not to contribute to that". Also, I've been told that we are "not to enable those sitting around the temple and conference center" and if we refuse help to them, then "they will go away".
We are very blessed to be living where we live. There are peoples of various denominations who are always giving of their time, energy, and belongings whenever they see a need. The receivers don't even have time to ask for assistance. It seems that as soon a need is seen, help even comes unbidden. :)

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This is just such a ridiculous distraction anti- Mormons would do to disrupt the Conference and other LDS activities and take away the joy from visitors who may have sacrificed to travel from the ends of the earth to visit Temple Square, or who may be just tourists... perhaps on a once in a life time visit... interested to learn LDS history and beliefs, and who have the right to do so without harassment. There is no plausible reason why beggars should be encouraged or allowed to frequent the area. The LDS Church is more than generous in humanitarian aid, too generous in my opinion. A country such as the US, who while crippled with debt gives money they do not have to other countries, including their enemies who would stab them in the back at the first opportunity, should surely be able to organise their communities so that there are not beggars in the street. Basic food, shelter and medical should be provided by Government Authorities to the deserving in genuine need, and those physically able should be required to work for assistance.

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sevenator wrote:
The LDS are so programmed that they cannot even loosen up to give a homeless man a few bucks.
I take great issue with this comment. At no time as a lifelong member of the LDS Church have I ever been counseled against giving to anyone in need. Such being the case, I have given to many who have crossed my path, and not so I could report it here and thump my chest about it.


I appreciate the story about the pastor, but be careful of the motives you might have in performing such a ruse.[/quote] Well then let me clarify: "those 5 LDS sisters need to loosen up to give a homeless man a few bucks". I can testify as well that I have sat through numerous meetings where the discussion revolved around how to handle giving to the less fortunate. The discussions all went about the same way those 5 sisters responded.

How about the time a homeless man showed up in the lobby of the church? The entire congregation filed out past him. Those who did stop, called for the bishop. I called for my son, and I sent him home for food and money.

Take issue if you will, but that is my experience.

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SARAH Ward wrote:This is just such a ridiculous distraction anti- Mormons would do to disrupt the Conference and other LDS activities and take away the joy from visitors who may have sacrificed to travel from the ends of the earth to visit Temple Square, or who may be just tourists... perhaps on a once in a life time visit... interested to learn LDS history and beliefs, and who have the right to do so without harassment. There is no plausible reason why beggars should be encouraged or allowed to frequent the area. The LDS Church is more than generous in humanitarian aid, too generous in my opinion. A country such as the US, who while crippled with debt gives money they do not have to other countries, including their enemies who would stab them in the back at the first opportunity, should surely be able to organise their communities so that there are not beggars in the street. Basic food, shelter and medical should be provided by Government Authorities to the deserving in genuine need, and those physically able should be required to work for assistance.

Matthew 25:40-45

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.




Mosiah 4:16-20

16 And also, ye yourselves will succor those that stand in need of your succor; ye will administer of your substance unto him that standeth in need; and ye will not suffer that the beggar putteth up his petition to you in vain, and turn him out to perish.

17 Perhaps thou shalt say: The man has brought upon himself his misery; therefore I will stay my hand, and will not give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance that he may not suffer, for his punishments are just—

18 But I say unto you, O man, whosoever doeth this the same hath great cause to repent; and except he repenteth of that which he hath done he perisheth forever, and hath no interest in the kingdom of God.


19 For behold, are we not all beggars? Do we not all depend upon the same Being, even God, for all the substance which we have, for both food and raiment, and for gold, and for silver, and for all the riches which we have of every kind?

20 And behold, even at this time, ye have been calling on his name, and begging for a remission of your sins. And has he suffered that ye have begged in vain? Nay; he has poured out his Spirit upon you, and has caused that your hearts should be filled with joy, and has caused that your mouths should be stopped that ye could not find utterance, so exceedingly great was your joy.


Though, it is not clear about those who might impede access to General Conference....

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ithink wrote:
sevenator wrote:
The LDS are so programmed that they cannot even loosen up to give a homeless man a few bucks.
I take great issue with this comment. At no time as a lifelong member of the LDS Church have I ever been counseled against giving to anyone in need. Such being the case, I have given to many who have crossed my path, and not so I could report it here and thump my chest about it.

I appreciate the story about the pastor, but be careful of the motives you might have in performing such a ruse.
Well then let me clarify: "those 5 LDS sisters need to loosen up to give a homeless man a few bucks". I can testify as well that I have sat through numerous meetings where the discussion revolved around how to handle giving to the less fortunate. The discussions all went about the same way those 5 sisters responded.

How about the time a homeless man showed up in the lobby of the church? The entire congregation filed out past him. Those who did stop, called for the bishop. I called for my son, and I sent him home for food and money.

Take issue if you will, but that is my experience.[/quote]

There is no wrongdoing in calling for the bishop. That would be "good". It is his responsibility, after all.
Talking to the person while waiting on the bishop would be "better"...just being kind and taking and interest.
Doing what you did would be "best" and I commend you for it, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Those in your congregation who just filed out past would not fit into my ward. That's not how we operate.

It's a southern thing. Utes wouldn't understand. =))

Edited to add: For what it's worth, the story in the OP is fake.

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SARAH Ward wrote:This is just such a ridiculous distraction anti- Mormons would do to disrupt the Conference and other LDS activities and take away the joy from visitors who may have sacrificed to travel from the ends of the earth to visit Temple Square, or who may be just tourists... perhaps on a once in a life time visit... interested to learn LDS history and beliefs, and who have the right to do so without harassment. There is no plausible reason why beggars should be encouraged or allowed to frequent the area. The LDS Church is more than generous in humanitarian aid, too generous in my opinion. A country such as the US, who while crippled with debt gives money they do not have to other countries, including their enemies who would stab them in the back at the first opportunity, should surely be able to organise their communities so that there are not beggars in the street. Basic food, shelter and medical should be provided by Government Authorities to the deserving in genuine need, and those physically able should be required to work for assistance.
I'm sad to hear that you are one of those who would turn away a brother or sister in need, and think of them as nothing more than a "distraction" and a burden to you personally.

Here's what Christ and a few other wise men have to say about it:
40 And remember in all things the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted, for he that doeth not these things, the same is not my disciple.
38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?

40 Yea, why do ye build up your secret abominations to get gain, and cause that widows should mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground, for vengeance upon your heads?

41 Behold, the sword of vengeance hangeth over you; and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer.
9 The word of the Lord, in addition to the law which has been given, making known the duty of the bishop who has been ordained unto the church in this part of the vineyard, which is verily this—

10 To keep the Lord’s storehouse; to receive the funds of the church in this part of the vineyard;

11 To take an account of the elders as before has been commanded; and to administer to their wants, who shall pay for that which they receive, inasmuch as they have wherewith to pay;

12 That this also may be consecrated to the good of the church, to the poor and needy.

13 And he who hath not wherewith to pay, an account shall be taken and handed over to the bishop of Zion, who shall pay the debt out of that which the Lord shall put into his hands.
11 Therefore, verily I say unto you, that it is expedient for my servants Edward Partridge and Newel K. Whitney, A. Sidney Gilbert and Sidney Rigdon, and my servant Joseph Smith, and John Whitmer and Oliver Cowdery, and W. W. Phelps and Martin Harris to be bound together by a bond and covenant that cannot be broken by transgression, except judgment shall immediately follow, in your several stewardships—

12 To manage the affairs of the poor, and all things pertaining to the bishopric both in the land of Zion and in the land of Kirtland;

13 For I have consecrated the land of Kirtland in mine own due time for the benefit of the saints of the Most High, and for a stake to Zion.

14 For Zion must increase in beauty, and in holiness; her borders must be enlarged; her stakes must be strengthened; yea, verily I say unto you, Zion must arise and put on her beautiful garments.

15 Therefore, I give unto you this commandment, that ye bind yourselves by this covenant, and it shall be done according to the laws of the Lord.

16 Behold, here is wisdom also in me for your good.

17 And you are to be equal, or in other words, you are to have equal claims on the properties, for the benefit of managing the concerns of your stewardships, every man according to his wants and his needs, inasmuch as his wants are just—

18 And all this for the benefit of the church of the living God, that every man may improve upon his talent, that every man may gain other talents, yea, even an hundred fold, to be cast into the Lord’s storehouse, to become the common property of the whole church—

19 Every man seeking the interest of his neighbor, and doing all things with an eye single to the glory of God.
All of 1 Corinthians 13 - http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/1-cor/13?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3 And they had all things common among them; therefore there were not rich and poor, bond and free, but they were all made free, and partakers of the heavenly gift.
29 If thou lovest me thou shalt serve me and keep all my commandments.

30 And behold, thou wilt remember the poor, and consecrate of thy properties for their support that which thou hast to impart unto them, with a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken.

31 And inasmuch as ye impart of your substance unto the poor, ye will do it unto me; and they shall be laid before the bishop of my church and his counselors, two of the elders, or high priests, such as he shall appoint or has appointed and set apart for that purpose.

32 And it shall come to pass, that after they are laid before the bishop of my church, and after that he has received these testimonies concerning the consecration of the properties of my church, that they cannot be taken from the church, agreeable to my commandments, every man shall be made accountable unto me, a steward over his own property, or that which he has received by consecration, as much as is sufficient for himself and family.

33 And again, if there shall be properties in the hands of the church, or any individuals of it, more than is necessary for their support after this first consecration, which is a residue to be consecrated unto the bishop, it shall be kept to administer to those who have not, from time to time, that every man who has need may be amply supplied and receive according to his wants.

34 Therefore, the residue shall be kept in my storehouse, to administer to the poor and the needy, as shall be appointed by the high council of the church, and the bishop and his council;
3 But behold, they have not learned to be obedient to the things which I required at their hands, but are full of all manner of evil, and do not impart of their substance, as becometh saints, to the poor and afflicted among them;

4 And are not united according to the union required by the law of the celestial kingdom;

5 And Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom; otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself.
13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.
22 Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:
31 He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker: but he that honoureth him hath mercy on the poor.
20 The poor is hated even of his own neighbour: but the rich hath many friends.
16 He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want.
1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;

3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?

5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?

7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.
17 And the redemption of the soul is through him that quickeneth all things, in whose bosom it is decreed that the poor and the meek of the earth shall inherit it.
Gosh there are just so many scriptures about this - I don't think the forum post limit will allow for 1/10th of them. Sarah - I truly hope that you do not find yourself in a situation where you are regarded this way - as you are stating we should regard those in need outside of the temple.
Mosiah 4:19 For behold, are we not all beggars? Do we not all depend upon the same Being, even God, for all the substance which we have, for both food and raiment, and for gold, and for silver, and for all the riches which we have of every kind?

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sevenator wrote:
ithink wrote:
The LDS are so programmed that they cannot even loosen up to give a homeless man a few bucks.
I take great issue with this comment. At no time as a lifelong member of the LDS Church have I ever been counseled against giving to anyone in need. Such being the case, I have given to many who have crossed my path, and not so I could report it here and thump my chest about it.

I appreciate the story about the pastor, but be careful of the motives you might have in performing such a ruse.
I have heard counsel from leaders a few years back not to give money to people outside of temple square, so that the place doesn't turn into a homeless hangout.

I also was given counsel from leaders multiple times in word and in writing to not give away money when I was a full time missionary.

I have heard repeated by LDS friends ad nauseum that homeless people will just buy drugs or alcohol with any money received, needs to get a job, etc, and I have noticed that most of my LDS friends will be annoyed by a beggar usually to the point of saying something. Sometimes they will still give money, but mostly will not. I have been with a non LDS friend around someone asking for money too, and money was given, and nothing was said. But this doesn't mean anything for the church as a whole, my sample size is so small.

It is just my experience, I wonder if anyone else's is same/different.

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Jules: :ymhug:

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swiftbrook wrote:We think we are the homeless man's judge.
And, yet, he is probably our judge, is he not?

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Re: Homeless man in church...

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JulesGP wrote:
SARAH Ward wrote:This is just such a ridiculous distraction anti- Mormons would do to disrupt the Conference and other LDS activities and take away the joy from visitors who may have sacrificed to travel from the ends of the earth to visit Temple Square, or who may be just tourists... perhaps on a once in a life time visit... interested to learn LDS history and beliefs, and who have the right to do so without harassment. There is no plausible reason why beggars should be encouraged or allowed to frequent the area. The LDS Church is more than generous in humanitarian aid, too generous in my opinion. A country such as the US, who while crippled with debt gives money they do not have to other countries, including their enemies who would stab them in the back at the first opportunity, should surely be able to organise their communities so that there are not beggars in the street. Basic food, shelter and medical should be provided by Government Authorities to the deserving in genuine need, and those physically able should be required to work for assistance.
I'm sad to hear that you are one of those who would turn away a brother or sister in need, and think of them as nothing more than a "distraction" and a burden to you personally...
Sarah - I truly hope that you do not find yourself in a situation where you are regarded this way - as you are stating we should regard those in need outside of the temple.
I also truly hope I would not be in such a situation. My choices in life have determined that I am not an alcoholic, drug addict. My work ethic has determined that I am financially secure. My choices have determined that I have not squandered my finances on immorality, wasteful practices, gambling etc. I have not incured debt, nor lived above my means. I have earned the blessings I enjoy. That does not mean evil cannot take all and leave me destitute, but it will not be of my own making... and we are all born to die.

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Re: Homeless man in church...

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I was thinking about it... If they give money... maybe I could call them back... give the money back... hand them a piece of paper... tell them they passed the test...

we could compile a scripture chain to print on the paper.

I don't want the money obviously. If somehow I couldn't give it back, I'd donate it to the Church.

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