Homosexuality: Disorder

[Thinker]

Alan Craig warns France: "Don't cave in to relentless gay lobby like Britain"

Alan Craig, leader of the GayMarriageNoThanks campaign, told a massive pro-family demonstration in Paris on Sunday, that same-sex 'marriage' has caused a dangerous and anti-democratic shut-down on freedom of conscience and speech in the UK.

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[BrotherOfMahonri]

I like this new thought I'd never considered but have pondered since reading and it makes sense to me...

Many years ago I helped a man with his homosexuality who wrote the following account of his experience:
I always felt I was different, even as a kid. The attractions I felt to other males seemed to be a part of me at a very deep level. It was just who I was, no choice about it. As I grew up and matured sexually, the attractions to men were not a choice. I did not want these gay feelings. I felt so much guilt and confusion. Fast forward a lot of years to my experience with Brother X. He told me the desires were from female spirits who were making me feel their sexual desires for men. I was skeptical, but Brother X said that I would have my own experience and I did not need to believe anything he told me. When we met, Brother X taught me about a gift where I can know if any spirits are bugging me. I learned how to receive answers directly from the Holy Ghost. In my case, 3 female spirits with sexual sin had been in me since right after I was born and I was feeling their strong sexual attraction for men. Other females had come and gone during my life, but these 3 had always been with me. Then Brother X talked to the 3 women calmly. I was nervous about it until this feeling of love came through me and then I felt the women leave. The sensation is hard to describe, it was like the area around my lungs and heart felt lighter or less crowded for a moment. I didn’t see any spirits but some images of women’s faces flashed quickly in my mind. After that the attraction to men was just gone. It was so strange to suddenly have a normal heterosexual reaction to the people around me like I was a different person. I see now that the reason the women came right after birth was so that I wouldn’t know what my real personality was—I would only know the desires of the women and accept them as a core part of me. Now that the female spirits are gone, Satan sends other females sometimes to make me feel attracted to men again, but I am able to help the spirits and then the attraction is gone. Satan also tempts me sometimes, but the temptations are much weaker than the spirits and I command Satan to leave me. I find it ironic that people really are “born that way,” but it’s a spiritual cause instead of biological. - J.D.

To help these spirits who have sexual sin:
• To help these spirits throw off Satan’s lies, we must educate them on Jesus’ true feelings about them. Ask Jesus if He loves these spirits as much as He loves anyone; He will always say yes.
• Ask if Jesus has paid the price for the spirits’ sins; He will always say yes.
• Ask if there is any reason why these spirits cannot repent of their sins and accept the gospel; He will always say no.

taken from this blog:
http://uncleanspirits.blogspot.com/2012 ... irits.html

So essentially, we have endless evil spirits (followed satan in war in heaven) and disembodied spirits (humans who have died, - agency still is sacred in the hereafter) who can attack any of us for whatever reason, and for whatever susceptibility or environment we grew up in, we can have females spirits all about us (gay) or male (lesbian) that could be a factor in this issue.

[Thinker]

BalaamDoctrineLDS,
That's interesting - and a possibility, though I tend to think that there are multiple contributing factors that influence preferences, including sexual preferences. I often tell my kids that just as there are good people and bad people & each person has some good and some bad in them, similarly with spirits. There are misguided spirits that can influence us when we're open to it, as there are also good & helpful spirits that can influence us when we're open.

Based on research I've read & people I've known, it does seem that sexual abuse is very often a contributing factor in developing homosexual preferences. Others who work in the mental health field, like a relative, have seen this trend clearly. Sexual abuse seems to clearly come from negative spiritual energy. This is not to say that everyone who's abused develops homosexual/gender identity issues, but it is one of other contributing factors, as many people who've developed homosexual preferences have acknowledged: http://americansfortruth.com/issues/gay ... ay-agenda/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The main point is that we all have disorders (we're not perfect). It's not a disgraceful shame to have a disorder - but to pretend homosexuality, which is known to cause STDS, AIDS, and mental health issues is healthy when it's not - is a harmful problem in itself. Unfortunately, lawmakers are attempting to push such a harmful lie.

[BrotherOfMahonri]

BalaamDoctrineLDS,
That's interesting - and a possibility, though I tend to think that there are multiple contributing factors that influence preferences, including sexual preferences. I often tell my kids that just as there are good people and bad people & each person has some good and some bad in them, similarly with spirits. There are misguided spirits that can influence us when we're open to it, as there are also good & helpful spirits that can influence us when we're open.

Based on research I've read & people I've known, it does seem that sexual abuse is very often a contributing factor in developing homosexual preferences. Others who work in the mental health field, like a relative, have seen this trend clearly. Sexual abuse seems to clearly come from negative spiritual energy. This is not to say that everyone who's abused develops homosexual/gender identity issues, but it is one of other contributing factors, as many people who've developed homosexual preferences have acknowledged: http://americansfortruth.com/issues/gay ... ay-agenda/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The main point is that we all have disorders (we're not perfect). It's not a disgraceful shame to have a disorder - but to pretend homosexuality, which is known to cause STDS, AIDS, and mental health issues is healthy when it's not - is a harmful problem in itself. Unfortunately, lawmakers are attempting to push such a harmful lie.

Absolutely. Environment is a huge factor - but isn't the environment largely influenced by spirits of the unseen world, and if so, then the environment is a direct result of the spirits who have been there, and the poor kids born into such environments...

[Desert Roses]

I started looking at this thread because of the title. I am a mental health therapist, and clinically speaking, although there is much throwing around of the idea of "being born this way," the OP is correct in that overwhelmingly, the evidence is that this is some kind of aberration of normal sexual behavior. Some have theorized that it is in the Attachment Disorder arena, being related to inappropriate attachments to parents or due to other environmental factors. That said, most who identify themselves with these feelings often do not remember when they did not feel this way; men are more likely to experience this than women. My clinical experience is that women often (but not always) turn to this lifestyle, fetish, whatever you call it, after having been sexually assaulted or abused in some other way by a man. Many of the male clients I have seen have experienced a lack of appropriate attachment to a father, or have also been abused in some way.

I appreciate the comments. I have 10 children and have been blessed that none of them exhibit this disorder, despite some extremely abusive situations with fathers and with poor mothering during those years as well. Yet I remind myself often, "There but for the grace of God go I." I am completely in agreement that our society has gone way over the edge in trying to "be all things to all people" and trying to always let anyone's feelings dictate what we should accept. Yet I also know that our society's warped view creates the ideas that people have about marriage and relationships. Heterosexual couples are saying, "Why marry? It's just paper and no biggie. If I live with my partner for years and even have children with them, and we aren't married, so what?" This is just as much sin as those who believe that they should be allowed to redefine (further diminish) marriage by marrying someone of their own gender. Both create a higher likelihood (statistically proven) that children will be unstable emotionally and much more vulnerable to the snares of Satan.

[kathedralegs]

I like this new thought I'd never considered but have pondered since reading and it makes sense to me...

Many years ago I helped a man with his homosexuality who wrote the following account of his experience:
I always felt I was different, even as a kid. The attractions I felt to other males seemed to be a part of me at a very deep level. It was just who I was, no choice about it. As I grew up and matured sexually, the attractions to men were not a choice. I did not want these gay feelings. I felt so much guilt and confusion. Fast forward a lot of years to my experience with Brother X. He told me the desires were from female spirits who were making me feel their sexual desires for men. I was skeptical, but Brother X said that I would have my own experience and I did not need to believe anything he told me. When we met, Brother X taught me about a gift where I can know if any spirits are bugging me. I learned how to receive answers directly from the Holy Ghost. In my case, 3 female spirits with sexual sin had been in me since right after I was born and I was feeling their strong sexual attraction for men. Other females had come and gone during my life, but these 3 had always been with me. Then Brother X talked to the 3 women calmly. I was nervous about it until this feeling of love came through me and then I felt the women leave. The sensation is hard to describe, it was like the area around my lungs and heart felt lighter or less crowded for a moment. I didn’t see any spirits but some images of women’s faces flashed quickly in my mind. After that the attraction to men was just gone. It was so strange to suddenly have a normal heterosexual reaction to the people around me like I was a different person. I see now that the reason the women came right after birth was so that I wouldn’t know what my real personality was—I would only know the desires of the women and accept them as a core part of me. Now that the female spirits are gone, Satan sends other females sometimes to make me feel attracted to men again, but I am able to help the spirits and then the attraction is gone. Satan also tempts me sometimes, but the temptations are much weaker than the spirits and I command Satan to leave me. I find it ironic that people really are “born that way,” but it’s a spiritual cause instead of biological. - J.D.

To help these spirits who have sexual sin:
• To help these spirits throw off Satan’s lies, we must educate them on Jesus’ true feelings about them. Ask Jesus if He loves these spirits as much as He loves anyone; He will always say yes.
• Ask if Jesus has paid the price for the spirits’ sins; He will always say yes.
• Ask if there is any reason why these spirits cannot repent of their sins and accept the gospel; He will always say no.

taken from this blog:
http://uncleanspirits.blogspot.com/2012 ... irits.html

So essentially, we have endless evil spirits (followed satan in war in heaven) and disembodied spirits (humans who have died, - agency still is sacred in the hereafter) who can attack any of us for whatever reason, and for whatever susceptibility or environment we grew up in, we can have females spirits all about us (gay) or male (lesbian) that could be a factor in this issue.

I think that we have been kept in the dark regarding how prevalent evil spirits are and how they can affect our lives. Our lack of intelligence, or in other words light and truth in this particular area is damning many people. People are suffering tremendously because we don't openly discuss this topic. Christ cast out spirits many times relating to healing....all different types of healing. I have found great healing through my Savior as I have been taught about the forces that are at work from both sides of the veil.

[KMCopeland]

I don't understand this need to believe -- and prove to anyone that will listen -- that homosexuality is sick and dangerous. Most sexual predators are heterosexuals. Yet I don't see much of this graphic, elaborate objection to heterosexual perverts on these boards.

We should stop feeling threatened by homosexuality. They are not out to get us. They are not out to destroy the family. These are silly fears. Go ahead and believe it's a sin if you need that. But stop trying to turn it into something it just isn't. It isn't a threat to civilization as we know it. It's just something we all better figure out a way to become less afraid of, because it is simply no longer the shameful, stigmatized thing it was not very long ago, people will stop being so ashamed of it that they hide it, and therefore we are going to have more opportunities to behave well, or badly as the case may be, regarding our fellow mortals who are homosexual.

I think we all need to work hard on our own weaknesses. Spending a lot of time obsessing about other peoples' sins is a good way to neglect our own.

[Fiannan]

KMCopeland, you ever wonder why homosexuality is being mainstreamed by media? Ever wonder why our US foreign policy is in some respects based on facilitating the acceptance of homosexuality around the world? Ever wonder how population reduction goals of the elite factor into this?

Give it some thought.

[fuddyduddyneighborly]

great discussion... Loved the interaction... I have really have no words for this...

[KMCopeland]

KMCopeland, you ever wonder why homosexuality is being mainstreamed by media? Ever wonder why our US foreign policy is in some respects based on facilitating the acceptance of homosexuality around the world? Ever wonder how population reduction goals of the elite factor into this?

Give it some thought.

You give the media too much credit. They're covering it more now. Gay people are making that necessary by agitating for equal treatment under the law. I don't think there's a plot behind media coverage of that. And our foreign policy has always, well, almost always been predicated on our position on human rights. It isn't based solely on the acceptance of homosexuality. Decent treatment of homosexuals is part of the entire human rights premise. And if the elites have population reduction goals, and they hope to achieve them by achieving 100% homosexuality, I'm afraid they're doomed to fail.


I made a huge mistake in my post. I said that "most sexual predators are homosexuals." I meant to say "most sexual predators are heterosexuals." I just edited that.

[SkyBird]

Yes... homosexuality is a disorder! No justification... it is sin and will eventually have to be repented of before one ever enters a kingdom of glory.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
(New Testament | Romans 14:11 - 12)

[Fiannan]

KMCopeland, you ever wonder why homosexuality is being mainstreamed by media? Ever wonder why our US foreign policy is in some respects based on facilitating the acceptance of homosexuality around the world? Ever wonder how population reduction goals of the elite factor into this?

Give it some thought.

You give the media too much credit. They're covering it more now. Gay people are making that necessary by agitating for equal treatment under the law. I don't think there's a plot behind media coverage of that. And our foreign policy has always, well, almost always been predicated on our position on human rights. It isn't based solely on the acceptance of homosexuality. Decent treatment of homosexuals is part of the entire human rights premise. And if the elites have population reduction goals, and they hope to achieve them by achieving 100% homosexuality, I'm afraid they're doomed to fail.


I made a huge mistake in my post. I said that "most sexual predators are homosexuals." I meant to say "most sexual predators are heterosexuals." I just edited that.

I give the media too much credit? There are discussions and papers out there where leaders of population reduction organizations point to soap operas in Latin America as the main behavioral change element in people having far, far fewer kids today than just one generation ago. If you can depict the "virtues" of small families, and only show small families on popular TV shows, and get people to reduce fertility down to 2 kids then how can you possibly underestimate the power of media?

Joe Biden credited "Will and Grace" with being a major factor in getting people to have a positive attitude towards gays. I have seen studies that indicate that a huge factor in acceptance of gay marriage with younger people is the positive portrayal of girl-on-girl porn. Ask young women today how they feel about lesbian sex -- a generation ago most would have said "Yuck" but today you will get most respondents use words like "cool" or "sensual" even if they have not personally tried it, although I know plenty of women of all ages today who have admitted to me (some LDS) they just had to try it out or they wish they could.

So if you have an increasingly large number of people, especially women, seeing porn as just a normal form of entertainment, and then they see a multitude of famous actresses at least admitting they are bi-sexual, and then see such relationships in TV programs presented in a positive fashion, then come on...give this one more generation and you will see a huge downswing in women identifying themselves as purely heterosexual. And so this fits in perfectly into population control objectives. As we are a society that forces relationships into a one-on-one (monogamous) limitation then naturally women turning away from exclusive heterosexuality will have less kids. I have to say I knew a gorgeous gal who was LDS who avoided long-term relationships because she was bi-sexual and felt that it would be unfair to a man or woman she might want to settle down with that she would always desire connections on a romantic level to the other sex. I doubt this is rare anymore.

And KMCopeland, it was not a cornerstone of US foreign policy to promote the gay rights agenda until Obama was elected. Check your facts.

[Obrien]

come on fiannan, everyone knows the media has zero impact on society. companies don't pay $3M+ for a 30 second advert during the Superbowl to drive behavior... the ice bucket challenge fad earlier this year didn't increase donations for "ALS research" when it was heavily publicized in the media... media does NOTHING to shape human behavior, preferences and social mores...

[KMCopeland]

I give the media too much credit? There are discussions and papers out there where leaders of population reduction organizations point to soap operas in Latin America as the main behavioral change element in people having far, far fewer kids today than just one generation ago. If you can depict the "virtues" of small families, and only show small families on popular TV shows, and get people to reduce fertility down to 2 kids then how can you possibly underestimate the power of media?

I agree with you that the media has enormous power. I disagree with you that it's a focused effort. A plot. A plan, with focus, and direction, and an agreed-upon-beforehand goal.

Joe Biden credited "Will and Grace" with being a major factor in getting people to have a positive attitude towards gays. I have seen studies that indicate that a huge factor in acceptance of gay marriage with younger people is the positive portrayal of girl-on-girl porn. Ask young women today how they feel about lesbian sex -- a generation ago most would have said "Yuck" but today you will get most respondents use words like "cool" or "sensual" even if they have not personally tried it, although I know plenty of women of all ages today who have admitted to me (some LDS) they just had to try it out or they wish they could.

I don't disagree with any of that. The question is, what do you propose to do about it?

So if you have an increasingly large number of people, especially women, seeing porn as just a normal form of entertainment, and then they see a multitude of famous actresses at least admitting they are bi-sexual, and then see such relationships in TV programs presented in a positive fashion, then come on...give this one more generation and you will see a huge downswing in women identifying themselves as purely heterosexual.

I think this is a little hyperbolic on your part, but let's agree that there is now more tolerance for homosexuality, and that there will be more. I think TV shows have probably played a part in that trend. I think the difference between you and me is that my reaction to that increased tolerance is more along the lines of "ho-hum," and yours is "goodness gracious whatever shall we do the gays are coming the gays are coming we'll be turned into non-baby-producing bull dykes or limp-wristed eunuchs if we don't do something about this." None of that is going to happen. I guess I just don't think tolerance for homosexuality is nearly the catastrophe that you do.


And the thing that caused heterosexuals to begin having smaller families showed up in the 50's. Long before anybody ever accepted anybody's gayness. It was the birth control pill. Everybody squealed and screamed about it when it showed up, and here we are today. You may be able to find an LDS woman and/or a Catholic one who has continued to refuse to use birth control regardless of how "mainstream" and "tolerated" it now is. But they will be outliers. We got used to birth control, and we'll get used to gay marriage. And life will go on like it always has. Frogs won't rain from the skies and we won't all be gobbled up by locusts. Relax. Do Lamaze. Enjoy your life. There is much to be grateful for, and to rejoice about. Stop worrying about silly foolishness that you can't do anything about even if it wasn't silly foolishness. Which it is.

And so this fits in perfectly into population control objectives.

There are most certainly NGO's that have population control objectives. We differ on their number and their influence. Your belief that they own the airwaves, and they are using them to achieve their population control objectives by foisting homosexuality on innocent heterosexuals who will soon have no choice but to fall in line and all become gay, isn't well-supported.

As we are a society that forces relationships into a one-on-one (monogamous) limitation then naturally women turning away from exclusive heterosexuality will have less kids. I have to say I knew a gorgeous gal who was LDS who avoided long-term relationships because she was bi-sexual and felt that it would be unfair to a man or woman she might want to settle down with that she would always desire connections on a romantic level to the other sex. I doubt this is rare anymore.

It's probably still quite rare. I think the fact that we hear about these things now makes them seem more commonplace than they are, or ever will be. Knowing about them doesn't mean there's a trend. But let's say I'm wrong. What is your solution?

And KMCopeland, it was not a cornerstone of US foreign policy to promote the gay rights agenda until Obama was elected. Check your facts.

You're right. It is now (and Obama is president now) part of the human rights leg of our foreign policy, and it wasn't before now. It is not accurate to say that opposition to the criminalization of homosexuality is a cornerstone of US foreign policy, all by itself. It has been openly acknowledged, now, when Obama is president, as a human rights issue, and it is one. It always has been one. The social and cultural climate is now right to bring it out in the open. Human rights is a cornerstone of US foreign policy. A strong position that criminalizing homosexuality is not acceptable is the principled position for a great nation to take. You should be proud we're doing that.

You cited Joe Biden's mention of the TV show "Will & Grace." I assume you agree with him that it helped neutralize some of the sanctimony & fear about homosexuality. That show was produced waaaay before Obama took office. So which is it? Did Obama somehow fall in love with homosexuality and that's why it's okay now to make it a human rights/foreign policy issue? Or is it a cultural/societal trend that began long before Obama was in office?

[Fiannan]

Don't have a lot of time at the moment but here is something for you to consider KMCopeland:

There are only 6 mega corporations that own over 90% of ALL media (movie production, publishing, TV and the like) in the USA. If in doubt look up the Frontline documentary "The Merchants of Cool." PBS has a great chart.

As for planting pro-reductionist seeds in people's minds check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg6Sg0U ... KZBQK2EW5A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[KMCopeland]

Don't have a lot of time at the moment but here is something for you to consider KMCopeland:

There are only 6 mega corporations that own over 90% of ALL media (movie production, publishing, TV and the like) in the USA. If in doubt look up the Frontline documentary "The Merchants of Cool." PBS has a great chart.

The media consolidation that you mention here is extremely troubling. It is the direct result of the deregulation mania that began with Ronald Reagan. This is actually something we can do something about. If we had the political will.

As for planting pro-reductionist seeds in people's minds check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg6Sg0U ... KZBQK2EW5A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I couldn't begin to sit still for an hour and 16 minutes of YouTube. It's hard enough for me to endure a short YouTube video. I can read a transcript of a talk like this in about 10 minutes, and I wouldn't mind at all doing that. Articles = good. YouTube = bad. For me anyway.

[Thinker]

KMCopeland, you ever wonder why homosexuality is being mainstreamed by media? Ever wonder why our US foreign policy is in some respects based on facilitating the acceptance of homosexuality around the world? Ever wonder how population reduction goals of the elite factor into this?

Give it some thought.

Are you refering to Georgia Guidestones (#1)?

[Ezra]

KMCopeland, you ever wonder why homosexuality is being mainstreamed by media? Ever wonder why our US foreign policy is in some respects based on facilitating the acceptance of homosexuality around the world? Ever wonder how population reduction goals of the elite factor into this?

Give it some thought.

Are you refering to Georgia Guidestones (#1)?

What are they?

[Fiannan]

Club of Rome.

And KMCopeland, why not listen to the video? I am sure if it featured Obama you would enjoy it. The fact is that there really is a calculated plan at deceiving and manipulating people to turn against the family. Listen if you wish but if you choose not to consider ideas that run counter to yours then...well, whatever.

[Robin Hood]

I like this new thought I'd never considered but have pondered since reading and it makes sense to me...

Many years ago I helped a man with his homosexuality who wrote the following account of his experience:
I always felt I was different, even as a kid. The attractions I felt to other males seemed to be a part of me at a very deep level. It was just who I was, no choice about it. As I grew up and matured sexually, the attractions to men were not a choice. I did not want these gay feelings. I felt so much guilt and confusion. Fast forward a lot of years to my experience with Brother X. He told me the desires were from female spirits who were making me feel their sexual desires for men. I was skeptical, but Brother X said that I would have my own experience and I did not need to believe anything he told me. When we met, Brother X taught me about a gift where I can know if any spirits are bugging me. I learned how to receive answers directly from the Holy Ghost. In my case, 3 female spirits with sexual sin had been in me since right after I was born and I was feeling their strong sexual attraction for men. Other females had come and gone during my life, but these 3 had always been with me. Then Brother X talked to the 3 women calmly. I was nervous about it until this feeling of love came through me and then I felt the women leave. The sensation is hard to describe, it was like the area around my lungs and heart felt lighter or less crowded for a moment. I didn’t see any spirits but some images of women’s faces flashed quickly in my mind. After that the attraction to men was just gone. It was so strange to suddenly have a normal heterosexual reaction to the people around me like I was a different person. I see now that the reason the women came right after birth was so that I wouldn’t know what my real personality was—I would only know the desires of the women and accept them as a core part of me. Now that the female spirits are gone, Satan sends other females sometimes to make me feel attracted to men again, but I am able to help the spirits and then the attraction is gone. Satan also tempts me sometimes, but the temptations are much weaker than the spirits and I command Satan to leave me. I find it ironic that people really are “born that way,” but it’s a spiritual cause instead of biological. - J.D.

To help these spirits who have sexual sin:
• To help these spirits throw off Satan’s lies, we must educate them on Jesus’ true feelings about them. Ask Jesus if He loves these spirits as much as He loves anyone; He will always say yes.
• Ask if Jesus has paid the price for the spirits’ sins; He will always say yes.
• Ask if there is any reason why these spirits cannot repent of their sins and accept the gospel; He will always say no.

taken from this blog:
http://uncleanspirits.blogspot.com/2012 ... irits.html

So essentially, we have endless evil spirits (followed satan in war in heaven) and disembodied spirits (humans who have died, - agency still is sacred in the hereafter) who can attack any of us for whatever reason, and for whatever susceptibility or environment we grew up in, we can have females spirits all about us (gay) or male (lesbian) that could be a factor in this issue.

I don't believe this for the simple reason that the scriptures (in this case the D&C) make it clear that Satan cannot tempt little children. Little children are out of bounds to the adversary. Just imagine the mayhem he would cause if he had access to the very young!

[natasha]

Yesl...there is a calculated effort to destroy the family...the "person" primarily responsible is the adversary. As goes the family, so goes the nation.

[Fiannan]

Yesl...there is a calculated effort to destroy the family...the "person" primarily responsible is the adversary. As goes the family, so goes the nation.

Yep!

[Thinker]

Again, it is important to distinguish behavior from people.
Love everyone, and part of love is calling harmful behavior what it is, not sugar coating it out of fear of being called "homophobic" etc.

There are several reasons to be concerned with the "little" bullies who bully by attempting to play victim and thereby get power.
It is becoming undeniably obvious of the need to stand up for marriage between a man and a woman and for religious liberties.

"The following action points of the gay agenda are not “straw men” trumped up by anti-gay evangelical Christians. Rather, they are taken from published statements by homosexual apologists themselves and are abundantly evident in news reports, both past and contemporary (see 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13):

1. Government encouragement, support and even requirement of sex education courses, prepared and taught by homosexual women and men, presenting homosexuality — and homosexual sex acts — as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle and a viable alternative to heterosexuality (for a recent summary of the queering of sex education in America, click HERE, and for a blatant admission that gay activists want to indoctrinate your kids, click HERE). This is where your children are taught details about homosexual sex acts... (See 12, 20 and 21);

2. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent (making your children open season for pedophiles);

3. Repeal of all laws that restrict the gender or number of persons entering into a marriage unit;

4. Extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit, regardless of gender or numbers;

5. Addition of “sexual orientation” to the list of minorities protected by anti-discrimination laws (this would be the first people group in America granted such status based upon volitional behavior rather than upon immutable characteristics, such as gender or race);

6. Deny tax-exempt status to organizations and institutions that discriminate against lesbian and gay people (this would include Christian churches and para-church ministries);

7. Deny federal funding to institutions that discriminate against lesbian and gay people (this would include Christian colleges and universities and para-church ministries);

8. Passage of “hate crimes” laws in all 50 states (regardless of the fact that such laws violate the U.S. Constitution);

9. Passage of laws making it criminal to have thoughts and speech of a “homophobic” nature (regardless of the fact that such laws violate the U.S. Constitution);

10. Permeate every level of government with gay-friendly officials (to codify the gay agenda);

11. Demand legalized same-sex marriage, thereby wrecking the traditional institution of marriage (for a recent admission of this intent by a pro-gay activist, click HERE);

12. Attack the Bible, especially where homosexuality is condemned, and make it appear that God does not condemn homosexuality by inventing new interpretations of selected verses (7);

13. Win over Christian churches and denominations, thereby neutralizing the greatest obstacle to the homosexual movement (7);

14. Partner with the liberal media in mounting a propaganda campaign to win over the majority of heterosexuals to the homosexual movement;

15. Portray homosexuals as victims, instead of aggressive challengers;

16. Make homosexuals look good by publicizing famous homosexuals who are well-liked by the general public;

17. Make homosexuality look good by portraying lasting, committed homosexual relationships as the norm of the homosexual lifestyle (never mind the facts that such homosexual relationships are the exception rather than the rule and that promiscuity is rampant in most such relationships, relative to heterosexual marriage);

18. Make the anti-gay “victimizers” look bad by coining and repeating charges of hatred, homophobe and bigotry against anyone who does not agree with them;

19. Knowingly and intentionally propagate lies, myths and hoaxes that promote the ideals and goals of the homosexual movement, in order to win over the heterosexual majority;

20. Punish businesses that do not support the homosexual movement (e.g., boycotts, demonstrations, lawsuits and negative media blitzes).

21. Jamming. This tactic refers to the public smearing of Christians, traditionalists or anyone else who opposes the “gay” agenda in order to marginalize them and make them shut up, and it requires the full cooperation of the liberal media.

If you think, after reading this list of agenda items, that the gay agenda will not affect your own life to any significant degree, you may want to read about true-life examples of the real and present threat of the gay agenda to your personal freedoms, as reported by Gagnon (12). And for a comprehensive, documented list of recent examples of the “gay agenda” in action..."
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[BrotherOfMahonri]

I like this new thought I'd never considered but have pondered since reading and it makes sense to me...

Many years ago I helped a man with his homosexuality who wrote the following account of his experience...

taken from this blog:
http://uncleanspirits.blogspot.com/2012 ... irits.html

So essentially, we have endless evil spirits (followed satan in war in heaven) and disembodied spirits (humans who have died, - agency still is sacred in the hereafter) who can attack any of us for whatever reason, and for whatever susceptibility or environment we grew up in, we can have females spirits all about us (gay) or male (lesbian) that could be a factor in this issue.

I don't believe this for the simple reason that the scriptures (in this case the D&C) make it clear that Satan cannot tempt little children. Little children are out of bounds to the adversary. Just imagine the mayhem he would cause if he had access to the very young!

Robin Hood - Thanks for the thoughts. So please distinguish for us in your view if you would, the difference between Tempt and Influence?

Can the adversary, evil spirits, unclean spirits, dumb and deaf spirits (Christ distinguishes them) influence a child, if so how?

I and my siblings were levitated in our active LDS priesthood father's home from age 2 to 8 all too often. Physically awake, in the air, limbs held tight, tongues unable to speak, moved from room to room. Often had devils in my bedroom at night. I helped cast devils from children in Phoenix and Peru. I have seen children possessed. Scriptures are showing us the same, children possessed since they were little. You are right in my view, that satan cannot tempt children but he for sure can influence them per unrighteous parent's influence and environment.

[Ezra]

At what age are children then able to be tempted would be a good question? And I think the answer is just as it was for Adam and eve.

When they comprehend nakedness.