"Race rioting" CARDSTON TEMPLE VISION remember?

[loveoneanother]

When I first read this vision with great delight, I could not figure out how we could have Chaos and race rioting as she has stated here, BUT NOW I see how this is all going to happen!

I have decided to edit the post and enter the entire vision from Sols, by the way, she had been asked twice by the president of the temple to write her experience/vision, and it was added to history of the Church. Would that request not have come if it was meant that no one was to know about it??

HERE IS THE ENTIRE VISION:

The Cardston Temple Vision - World War III PDF
Sunday, 09 March 2008 14:51

Cardston, Alberta Canada
December 14, 1933

Robert W. Smith, Esq. Salt Lake City, Utah

Dear Brother Smith:

I am pleased to answer your letter of December 1st-first as to the letter of a non-member who wrote of "impressions" received while going through the Temple before it was dedicated, the truth of which letter you ask me to verify and which I am pleased to do.

It was a Quaker lady who was a magazine writer from eastern Canada. She has some relatives in Lethbridge, about 60 miles from Cardston; and being so deeply impressed on her first visit, she had them bring her a second time -this time I was acting as guide. She would sit in each room and never said a word to any in the company, but seemed to be in deep meditation all the time.

When she reached her own home several weeks after, she wrote this letter which has caused so much comment all over the Church. We have never been able to understand how she seemed to know so much about our faith and our belief in our future life and works after death. I never learned her real name. She visited us along in 1921. I have never heard from her since that time, but the letter is genuine, and of her own "impressions!" received while in the Temple while on the two visits she mentions.

Sincerely your Brother,
0/S Elder J. Wood, Pres. Alberta Stake

This is her actual letter of her visions:

We have been to the Temple erected by your church wherein are to be performed the sacred rites in accordance with your faith. The first time I was strongly impelled to describe to you my impressions. I did so but before the completion of the letter, I received some news that so affected me that acting upon the spur of the moment, I destroyed the document in its entirety.

The continued feeling within me of dissatisfaction as to something left undone, coupled with the desire upon the part of the members of my household who had not visited the temple, led to our second visit to Cardston, in which you so kindly consented to accompany us, notwithstanding the inclement weather and personal inconvenience to yourself which the journey entailed.

It was because of this and many other evidences of your friendship that has given me the privilege to presume to bother you with what after all may be foolish fantacies of a too impressionable mentality. To me it does seem so, for never before in my life have such powerful impressions been infringed upon my inner consciousness as during my visit thru the Temple. Especially was this true at our second visit. The impressions of our first visit were repeated with such overwhelming intensity and variety of detail that I must positively inform you of my experience.

It seems to me it were a sacred duty upon my part to do this, and knowing as I do that your friends will lightly ridicule what to me is a personal matter, I am going to give you in detail my experience in the hope, that if it is well, maybe it is something more than imagination, that you and others of your faith may wisely analyze and correctly use whatever may be gleaned from this letter.

A fortress in time of storm, was the first thought that shaped itself in my mind with my first view of this ancient, yet modern temple; mellowed with the spiritual usage of ancient civilization and customs, yet alert, virile, and watchful.

A grand, solemn, strong, beautiful, useful house of spiritual progression which seemed to be the embodiment of architectural expression of ancient civilization and glories suddenly re-incarnated and for a future and higher civilization than our own. Strength and beauty exaggerated the more flimsy houses and buildings of the town and gave a painfully obvious example of how the soul within is expressed thru the material body, either in the individual or nation, or a race, either in the man or his architecture. Try how I would I could not get away from the feeling that the town itself was inferior to the latest building, so new and yet so old. Even the electric lights failed to change this thought, that the Temple and the town represented two different epochs of humanity’s spiritual development expressed in architecture. The town embodied the present epoch, science, art, invention harnessed purely for trade or commerce, irrespective of past or future development. The Temple embodies the accumulated knowledge of the ancient world combined with the modern inventions of science and inspiration as the road to a higher future development so near at hand. Let me put it down even another way.

There is a place called Cardston. A Temple linking the past with the present has been built at Cardston and the town has become a collection of flimsy huts nestling at the foot of the Temple which will continue to function for the spiritual purposes for which it is raised.

Just as the exterior impressions compared with the present and future epochs so did the interior also reflect comparison. Of the beautiful and artistic effects I need not dwell; abler pens can describe the interior from this viewpoint. Sufficient for me to say that the shape of the Temple is a cross, that each apartment is symbolical in artistic and structural effects of some stage of humanity's progress thru the ages. In fact, everything physical is a stepping stone to spiritual progress as such is typified in these ceremonies.

All this was kindly and intelligently explained to us by Mr. Duce on one occasion and by Mr. Wood on the second visit; but I am afraid I was very indifferent and inattentive upon both occasions, for which I tender them my sincere apologies. I had no intentions of being rude or discourteous, but from the moment of entering the Temple until leaving, I was placed in the position of having, as it were, to listen to and grasp a dual narrative all the time, with the result that so engrossed was I at times that I am afraid I was so absent-minded as to appear inattentive if not positively stupid.

I have stated that my impression of the exterior of the building was that of a place of waiting for a higher civilization than our present one. This would suggest a condition of emptiness, but that is not what I mean. An ordinary newly erected building has no atmosphere at all until it has been inhabited some time; after which, it has, as it were, a living atmosphere. What kind of an atmosphere this is, is largely determined by the spiritual development and thought of the persons using and inhabiting the building. This applies especially to places of worship or consecration, and is very noticeable to a sensitive person. Sometimes such an atmosphere is agreeable, exalting, etc.; sometimes very much the reverse, depending upon the spiritual harmony or otherwise of the persons under this atmospheric rule; but was not so as far as it was concerned while outside the Temple.

I could not understand the overwhelming scene of ancient atmosphere which the building actually possessed in its very granite blocks in spite of the fact that I know a few months previous these stones had been laid, yet the feeling of age predominated. I dismissed the feeling as well as I could by thinking that the place of the structure was responsible for the suggestion of age, but when I entered the Temple, how quickly I found there was nothing to suggest to me that present atmosphere of which I have spoken, but was it empty? Emphatically no! Time and again as I listened to the speaker explaining some phase of the building or its meaning, I would be seeing beyond him some illustration of kaleidoscopic nature, depicting what he was describing, only more completely and vividly. The characters were so plain to me that I required all my self control to keep silent from room to room. This continued and only ceased when we were out in the frost and snow once more.

There was no set plan for presenting these pictures to me. It seemed as if when I thought something mental, a picture instantly presented itself in explanation of some word of the conductor, which would have the same effect. I was not afraid, only awed by the wonder of it all and the fearful impressive feeling that I received which seemed to imbed every little detailed scene into my brain, from which it will ever remember and record; and vivid as all of it was, these incidents herein related are the ones upon which I received instructions.

The scenes which I observed of an historical character seemed chiefly to verify and amplify the speaker's outline of past history, and so I do not feel impressed to record such, except to state that the same patriarchal characters whom I observed directing and influencing the early movements of the Church, were the same down through every age and epoch, and as the scenes advanced to more modern times, I saw among these spiritual characters and counselors, persons whose features I had previously observed as being in the material body on other historical occasions.

It seemed as though the temple was filled with the actual spiritual bodies of these previous leaders of your church, each seeming to have the work that person was engaged in whilst in the flesh. In that temple I saw persons who were leaders of your church, during its march across the American desert now engaged in helping these higher patriarchs under whose orders they seemed to be working. It was these latter spiritual leaders, if I may use that term, who seemed to be instructed to show me the scenes here recorded.

I can give no time as to the happening, except that the impressions I received were of actual present or immediate future.

I saw first a brief but comprehensive sketch of the present state of the world, or as you would term it, the Gentile Kingdoms. Each country in turn was shown, its anarchy, hunger, ambitions, distrusts and warlike activities, etc., and in my mind was formed from some source the words, "As it is today with the Gentiles."

I saw international war again break out with its center upon the Pacific Ocean, but sweeping and encircling the whole globe.

I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on the one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha on the other. I saw that the great driving power within these so-called Christian nations, was the Great Apostasy of Rome, in all its political, social and religious aspects. I saw the worldwide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before. I saw an antagonism begin to express itself from those so-cal1ed Christian nations against your people. I saw those with a similar faith to yours in the far east begin to look toward Palestine for safety.

I saw the international world war automatically break down, and national revolution occur in every country, and complete the work of chaos and desolation. I saw geological disturbances occur, which helped in this work as if it were intended to do so. I saw the Cardston Temple preserved from all of this geological upheaval. I saw the international boundary line disappear as these two governments broke up and dissolved into chaos. I saw race rioting upon the American continent on a vast scale.


I saw hunger and starvation in this world; I saw disease produced by hunger, strife and chaos complete the end of this present order or epoch. How long these events were in reaching this consummation I do not know, but my impression was from the outbreak of the international war these things developed into a continuous procession, and almost ran concurrently, as it is with a sickness, the various symptoms are all in evidence at one and the same time, but in different stages of development.

My intensified thought was "What of the Church," if such is to become of the Kingdoms of the earth? Was immediately answered by a subconscious statement. "As it is in the church today," and I saw these higher spiritual beings throughout the length and breadth of the air, marshalling their spiritual forces, and concentrating them upon the high officials of your church upon earth.

I saw the spiritual forces working upon those officers, impressing and moving them, influencing and warning them. I saw the spiritual forces begin to unfold these things into the minds of your elders and other high officials, especially during their spiritual devotions and official duties, and those activities which exalt the mind of the individual or groups. I saw the impressions take hold and inspire the more receptive and spiritual men, until it was all clearly revealed to them in the way the spiritual patriarch desired.

Again I seemed to hear the words, "As it will be." I saw the high officials in council, and under inspired guidance issue instructions to your people to re-consecrate their lives and energies to their faith, to voluntarily discipline themselves, by abstaining from all those forms of indulgence which weaken the body, sap the mentality and deaden the spirit, or waste the income.

I saw further on, instructions given whereby places of refuge were prepared quietly but efficiently by inspired elders. I saw Cardston and the surrounding foothills, especially north and west, for miles, being prepared as a refuge for your people quietly but quickly.

I saw elders still under divine guidance, counseling and encouraging the planting of every available acre of soil in this district, so that large supplies would be near the refuge. I saw the church property under cultivation of an intensified character, not for sale or profit, but for the use of the people. I saw artesian wells and other wells dug all over that territory so that when the open waters were polluted and poisoned that the people of the church and their cattle should be provided for.

I saw the fuel resources of the district develop in many places and vast piles of coal and timber stored for future use and building. I saw the territory carefully surveyed and mapped out, for the camping of a great body of the people of the church. I saw provision also made for a big influx of people who will not at first belong to the church, but who will gather in their tribulation.

I saw vast quantities of surgical appliances, medicines, disinfectants, etc., stored in the temple basement. I saw inspiration given the elders whereby the quantity, quality and kind of things to be stored were judged, which might not be attainable in this territory in time of chaos. I saw defensive preparations working out the organizations of the camps on maps.

I saw the mining corridors used as places of storage underground: I saw the hills surveyed and corrals built in sequestered places for cattle, sheep, etc., quietly and quickly. I saw the plans for the organization of the single men and their duties, the scouts, the guards, the nurses, the cooks, the messengers, the children, the herders, the temple guards, etc.. I saw these things going on practically unknown to the Gentile world, except the Great Apostasy, whose knowledge and hatred is far reaching, in this day of its temporary power. This was going on piece by piece as the Elders were instructed so to do.

I saw the other officials obeying the inspired instructions, carrying their message and exhorting the people to carry out, from time to time the revelation given them, whilst all around throughout the Gentile world the chaos developed in its varying stages, faction against faction, nation against nation, but all in open or secret hostility to your people and their faith. I saw your people draw closer and closer together, as this became more tense and as the spiritual forces warned them through the mouth of your elders and your other officers. I saw the spiritual forces influencing those members who had drifted away, to re-enter the fold. I saw a greater tithing than ever before. I saw vast quantities of necessaries supplied by members whose spiritual eyes had been opened. I saw a liquidation of properties and effects disposed of quietly but quickly by members of the church, as the spiritual influences directed them.

I saw the inspired call sent forth to all the church, to gather to the refuges of Zion. I saw the stream of your people quietly moving in the direction of their refuge. I saw your people moving more quickly and in larger numbers until all the stragglers were housed. I saw the wireless message flashed from Zion's refuge to Zion's refuge in their several places that all was well with them, and then the darkness of chaos closed around the boundaries of your people, and the last days of tribulation had begun.

Sols Caurdisto

[loveoneanother]

Is there anyone that has a comment....??? What do you think of this?

[bobhenstra]

Is there anyone that has a comment....??? What do you think of this?

Interesting, this vision has occupied the treasures of truth books of many members for many years. However, her vision was just for her, our instructions are to follow the prophet.

Bob

[loveoneanother]

Yes, but she did see so many things, that I believe are in our future. I think it is just interesting to read them, as it would be any vision given to anyone....I love this stuff lol

Thank you for your reply.

[Original_Intent]

Is there anyone that has a comment....??? What do you think of this?

Interesting, this vision has occupied the treasures of truth books of many members for many years. However, her vision was just for her, our instructions are to follow the prophet.

Bob

I do not know who her vison was for but I think you take a lot on yourself.
Yes the prophet is the only one to RECEIVE PROPHECY AND REVELATION FOR THE CHURCH AS A WHOLE AND FOR THE EARTH AS A WHOLE. No disagreement.

However, I believe a person can receive a vision and may be told to keep it to themselves, or be told to share it. It is up to the discernment of individuals at that point, i.e. you do not take them as the words of a prophet, you hearken to the spirit. This idea that no one other than the prophet is allowed to share such experiences is FALSE DOCTRINE and I can prove it. 100%. So please stop making such claims, they have no basis.

Just to make myself clear do we follow the word of anyone other than the prophet with the heed that we whould be giving the prophet? NO! Can someone other than the prophet receive a vision, be commanded to share it and people receive light and knowledge that they were intended to receive? ABSOLUTELY!

[Fiannan]

Guardisto was a native American who, in general, have a propensity for visions and things spiritual:

Wonder if this is indeed true. Maybe that explains my tendency to be rather essoteric as opposed to my wife (Swedish) and her being a bit uncomfortable when I and the kids discuss spiritualism beyond the "follow the rules and everything will be okay" way of looking at things. Strange thing is, Irish, Finns, Jews and Russians also seem to have a lot of people who think outside the box and can connect intuition and more fact-based aspects of thought together. Wonder if there is anything in the ancestory of these peoples....

[NoGreaterLove]

Can someone other than the prophet receive a vision, be commanded to share it and people receive light and knowledge that they were intended to receive? ABSOLUTELY!

This has already been addressed and shown to be false.

[Original_Intent]

Can someone other than the prophet receive a vision, be commanded to share it and people receive light and knowledge that they were intended to receive? ABSOLUTELY!

This has already been addressed and shown to be false.

I must have missed that discussion, but let me just throw out as an example (probably came up in the previous discussion) Nephi. Lehi was clearly the prophet of the group, and yet Nephi also received visions and shared them and expounded upon them to his gorup while Lehi was still alive. He even recorded those visions which were later included in a record compiled by Mormon and translated by a young man named Joseph Smith. Those "non-prophetic" visions went on to become part of scripture.

I am not saying follow anyone other than the prophet.
I am saying that I believe people other than the prophet can receive legitimate visions and they can either be commanded or allowed to share them publicly. It is then up to those who hear their words to use discernment as to the truth of the words, and listen to the spirit as to the message (if any) that they were intended to receive. If you can point me to the discussion where this was put to rest, thanks.

Also, note that I am not saying this particular vision from the OP is true, or should have been shared or anything else. I am saying this principle of discarding on principle anything anyone who is not the prophet says, is, I believe, incorrect

[NoGreaterLove]

OI

I know you follow the prophet. I do not question that at all.

If you will recall, Nephi went to the Lord and received a revelation confirming what his father had seen (his father had stewardship). Then his brothers asked him what he understood about the vision his father had seen. Nephi then begins to expound upon it. As far as his words being published for all to see, it did not happen until he became a prophet. A prophet abridged the Book of Mormon and the prophet wrote them for us to read. So the revelation came through the words and writings of a prophet just as is should be.

I think the discussion where this was addressed in depth was over the RKY issue. Quotes and scriptural references were cited.

I do not dispute that people receive revelation. I dispute that they are then commanded or inspired to teach that revelation to those not under their stewardship. The reason being, God is organized and has set up teaching to be done using a specific order so we may know to what source to look for.

The Holy Ghost follows the Lords pattern of teaching and does not step out of it.

I have read a lot of peoples claimed revelations. But I do not put much weight into them. They were not meant for me to use as a tool to govern my life. They were meant for that person. Just like the admonition we received from Pres Packer about spreading his stake conference talks around. He asked us not to. They were not meant for us.

[pritchet1]

Should there not be a distinction between visions and revelations?

To me a vision is something revealed to an individual and for that individual's benefit. A Revelation is something the Lord has told a person to tell others, under proper authority.

Am I off base?

What if we receive pure knowledge? Are we to keep it to ourselves or broadcast it? Until further instruction is given from the other side of the veil, I would conclude we are to keep such things to ourselves and only presented to others in the correct environment and under the correct influencing spirit.

I've yet to hear a latter-day living prophet say; " I received under the spirit of revelation the following the Lord has asked me to tell the Saints", except for allowing all righteous men the privilege of receiving the priesthood and the decree about "family".

Rioting at a temple (not a few) has been seen in recent history regarding the stand on moral issues.

[NoGreaterLove]

(Mosiah 18:18-20.)

18 And it came to pass that Alma, having authority from God, ordained priests; even one priest to every fifty of their number did he ordain to preach unto them, and to teach them concerning the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

19 And he commanded them that they should teach nothing save it were the things which he had taught, and which had been spoken by the mouth of the holy prophets.

20 Yea, even he commanded them that they should preach nothing save it were repentance and faith on the Lord, who had redeemed his people.

[Original_Intent]

OI

I know you follow the prophet. I do not question that at all.

If you will recall, Nephi went to the Lord and received a revelation confirming what his father had seen (his father had stewardship). Then his brothers asked him what he understood about the vision his father had seen. Nephi then begins to expound upon it. As far as his words being published for all to see, it did not happen until he became a prophet. A prophet abridged the Book of Mormon and the prophet wrote them for us to read. So the revelation came through the words and writings of a prophet just as is should be.

I think the discussion where this was addressed in depth was over the RKY issue. Quotes and scriptural references were cited.

I do not dispute that people receive revelation. I dispute that they are then commanded or inspired to teach that revelation to those not under their stewardship. The reason being, God is organized and has set up teaching to be done using a specific order so we may know to what source to look for.

The Holy Ghost follows the Lords pattern of teaching and does not step out of it.

I have read a lot of peoples claimed revelations. But I do not put much weight into them. They were not meant for me to use as a tool to govern my life. They were meant for that person. Just like the admonition we received from Pres Packer about spreading his stake conference talks around. He asked us not to. They were not meant for us.

Thanks. I TRY to follow the prophet, I wish I always succeeded.
In regards to Nephi, he not only expounded about his understanding of Lehi's dream, he added additional details such as the filthiness of the water, and said that Lehi had not noticed the filthiness. So a modern day analogy would be the prophet relates a vision, and somebody else other than the prophet has a vision and adds details that were not mentioned by the prophet - there are many who, without even attempting to discern the truth or error of the matter would, at least from what I have seen, attack the messenger for speaking out of his or her stewardship. I certainly don't give this Cardston temple vision any particular weight other than it is interesting and worth tucking away for future reference. But I still feel that making a reflexive decision to denounce anyone who tells others of a vision because they are speaking outside of their stewardship...I am sorry I disagree with that. Only the prophet can speak to guide the church - yes. All others should be looked at with a high degree of skepticism and care? Yes. Possible that the Lord gives anyone other than the prophet useful insights that are permitted to be shared? My personal opinion is, I think so, but it certainly is an area where people could get into trouble by giving more heed than they ought.

But I will concede, it is safer to just disregard them rather than taking the chance of becoming a follower of someone other than the prophet.

[Squally]

OI

I know you follow the prophet. I do not question that at all.

If you will recall, Nephi went to the Lord and received a revelation confirming what his father had seen (his father had stewardship). Then his brothers asked him what he understood about the vision his father had seen. Nephi then begins to expound upon it. As far as his words being published for all to see, it did not happen until he became a prophet. A prophet abridged the Book of Mormon and the prophet wrote them for us to read. So the revelation came through the words and writings of a prophet just as is should be.

I think the discussion where this was addressed in depth was over the RKY issue. Quotes and scriptural references were cited.

I do not dispute that people receive revelation. I dispute that they are then commanded or inspired to teach that revelation to those not under their stewardship. The reason being, God is organized and has set up teaching to be done using a specific order so we may know to what source to look for.

The Holy Ghost follows the Lords pattern of teaching and does not step out of it.

I have read a lot of peoples claimed revelations. But I do not put much weight into them. They were not meant for me to use as a tool to govern my life. They were meant for that person. Just like the admonition we received from Pres Packer about spreading his stake conference talks around. He asked us not to. They were not meant for us.

Thanks. I TRY to follow the prophet, I wish I always succeeded.
In regards to Nephi, he not only expounded about his understanding of Lehi's dream, he added additional details such as the filthiness of the water, and said that Lehi had not noticed the filthiness. So a modern day analogy would be the prophet relates a vision, and somebody else other than the prophet has a vision and adds details that were not mentioned by the prophet - there are many who, without even attempting to discern the truth or error of the matter would, at least from what I have seen, attack the messenger for speaking out of his or her stewardship. I certainly don't give this Cardston temple vision any particular weight other than it is interesting and worth tucking away for future reference. But I still feel that making a reflexive decision to denounce anyone who tells others of a vision because they are speaking outside of their stewardship...I am sorry I disagree with that. Only the prophet can speak to guide the church - yes. All others should be looked at with a high degree of skepticism and care? Yes. Possible that the Lord gives anyone other than the prophet useful insights that are permitted to be shared? My personal opinion is, I think so, but it certainly is an area where people could get into trouble by giving more heed than they ought.

But I will concede, it is safer to just disregard them rather than taking the chance of becoming a follower of someone other than the prophet.

If we are always seeking the spirit we shall not be decieved by a prophet or non-prophet. Follow God first, arm of flesh second.

Many Jewish people denied the Christ. He came outside the normal stewardship and formal jewish leadership. Following protocal is simpler than being directly lead by God through the Holy Ghost in all things. Following the Holy Ghost requires personal righteousness and not just a mindset. Every member has the priviledge of recieving confirmation, visions, second comfortor, the spirit of prophecy etc. Even as Nephi sought everything his father recieved in rightousness, and then recieved it directly from God, so should we follow his example and seek these things in righteousness.

Some will disregard that which doesn't come with authority. Others will test all things by the Spirit. This is the greatest protection from deception I know of, while also allowing truth to prevail. But I also believe there are lesser and higher laws at play here. Probably the safe bet is to just follow authority and disregard everything else where personal righteousness is waining.

[MercynGrace]

Would God that all the Lord’s people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!
~ Moses

[bobhenstra]

Years ago when I worked at the Prove Temple, a sister temple worker had what I considered an amazing vision, she related it to several of the workers, another sister copied it down in short hand, typed it up and give it to the first sister to correct. Upon correcting it, copies were made and spread around the temple workers, I got one and was amazed.

A good friend of mine, a friend very knowledgeable in doctrinal issues, author of many books concerning doctrine, sent a copy to the brethren in SLC suggesting that the vision should at least be published in the church news, something! It was an amazing vision, and at the time I agreed with him, this thing should be shared.

The letter he got back said exactly the same thing O.I. complained about in my answer above. My friend made the mistake of sharing the reply to other temple workers, who shared it with their friends, until the rumor was being spread that my friend had received church discipline, some saying he had even been excommunicated. Ten years after the fact my bishop at the time informed me my friend had been excommunicated. I laughed and said "then you better call the temple president and tell him because Hyrum is still working in the temple!" None of the rumors were true, my friend remained a temple worker, and as far as I know still is. Because of my wife's illness and now my problems, I haven't seen him for several years, he lives at the other end of Utah County.

I won't share the vision, so don't ask, besides, I don't know which stack its in, and When I look at all those stacks, I get to feeling-- overwhelmed . My oldest son tells me he'll categorize all of the papers in these stacks for me after I'm gone. I won't care then, I just hate throwing cool things away. Some good stuff over there against that wall----

Bob

[ready2prepare]

To avoid any misunderstandings, I think it might
be helpful to review the text of the complete
letter sent by Elder J. Wood, President of the
Alberta Stake, to Elder Robert W. Smith of
Salt Lake City, Utah regarding this vision, dated
December 14, 1933 (10 years after the event):

The Cardston Temple Vision

When I first read this vision with great delight,
I could not figure out how we could have Chaos
and race rioting as she has stated here, BUT NOW
I see how this is all going to happen!...This is a
vision of Sols Guardisto written to President Wood
of the Cardston, Alberta Temple ...in 1923...

Note that the original letter about this vision
was written to the then-President of the
Alberta temple. So she followed appropriate
church channels in transmitting the information,
considering that she was a non-member and in
the temple at the time she received this vision.

...I saw an antagonism begin to express
itself from those so-called Christian nations
against your people. I saw those of a similar
faith to yours in the Far East begin to look
toward Palestine for safety.

This could be referring to people of the
Baha'i faith, which has many beliefs and
teachings similar to ours.

...I saw...national revolutions occur
in every country and complete the work of
chaos and desolation. I saw geological
disturbances occur, which helped in this
work as if it were intended to do so. I saw
the Cardston Temple preserved from all
this geological upheaval.

Designed in 1912 by Hyrum Pope and Harold
Burton of Salt Lake City, and dedicated in
1923 by President Heber J. Grant, the
Cardston Temple, like the Salt Lake temple,
was built to last into the millenium.

Alberta Temple named Canada historic site

..."I saw Cardston and the surrounding
foothills, especially West and North, for miles
being prepared for a refuge for your people,
quietly but quickly..."

I used to live in the Cardston Temple district
and attended the re-dedication of the temple
in 1991. Many people had special spiritual
experiences, including visions, during the time
of the re-dedication, and I had my own very
sacred spiritual experiences at that time which
I will not share here. I will say this: if the Lord
saw fit to give one of the Father's spiritually
sensitive daughters a vision while in His house,
who am I to speak against it?

Keep in mind that vision is not necessarily
prophecy, but the letter she wrote is
genuine.

Let the Holy Spirit guide (Hymns #143)
and be sure to read the latest conference
talks given by living prophets with authority
from God to lead Christ's Church through
whatever tribulations may soon be coming
our way, in the May 2010 Ensign.

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

[Squally]

This vision was recieved by a non-member who had not yet been taught all the protocols and traditions regarding the sharing and rejecting/discounting automatically visions that aren't recieved by a church leader. Since she was outside of the church's protocals as a nonmember, maybe this is exactly why the Lord revealed it to her as he knew she would share it in ignorance of paradigms.

And while on paradigms, perhaps she also hadn't yet been taught the LDS doctrine that secret combinations come from the outside and live in afghanistan and iraq.

[Stephen]

Seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9tIoJBh ... re=related

[Squally]

To avoid any misunderstandings, I think it might
be helpful to review the text of the complete
letter sent by Elder J. Wood, President of the
Alberta Stake, to Elder Robert W. Smith of
Salt Lake City, Utah regarding this vision, dated
December 14, 1933 (10 years after the event):

The Cardston Temple Vision

When I first read this vision with great delight,
I could not figure out how we could have Chaos
and race rioting as she has stated here, BUT NOW
I see how this is all going to happen!...This is a
vision of Sols Guardisto written to President Wood
of the Cardston, Alberta Temple ...in 1923...

Note that the original letter about this vision
was written to the then-President of the
Alberta temple. So she followed appropriate
church channels in transmitting the information,
considering that she was a non-member and in
the temple at the time she received this vision.

...I saw an antagonism begin to express
itself from those so-called Christian nations
against your people. I saw those of a similar
faith to yours in the Far East begin to look
toward Palestine for safety.

This could be referring to people of the
Baha'i faith, which has many beliefs and
teachings similar to ours.

...I saw...national revolutions occur
in every country and complete the work of
chaos and desolation. I saw geological
disturbances occur, which helped in this
work as if it were intended to do so. I saw
the Cardston Temple preserved from all
this geological upheaval.

Designed in 1912 by Hyrum Pope and Harold
Burton of Salt Lake City, and dedicated in
1923 by President Heber J. Grant, the
Cardston Temple, like the Salt Lake temple,
was built to last into the millenium.

Alberta Temple named Canada historic site

..."I saw Cardston and the surrounding
foothills, especially West and North, for miles
being prepared for a refuge for your people,
quietly but quickly..."

I used to live in the Cardston Temple district
and attended the re-dedication of the temple
in 1991. Many people had special spiritual
experiences, including visions, during the time
of the re-dedication, and I had my own very
sacred spiritual experiences at that time which
I will not share here. I will say this: if the Lord
saw fit to give one of the Father's spiritually
sensitive daughters a vision while in His house,
who am I to speak against it?

Keep in mind that vision is not necessarily
prophecy, but the letter she wrote is
genuine.

Let the Holy Spirit guide (Hymns #143)
and be sure to read the latest conference
talks given by living prophets with authority
from God to lead Christ's Church through
whatever tribulations may soon be coming
our way, in the May 2010 Ensign.

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

Yes, thanks for sharing that insight Sharon, about the preisthood channels this Cardston vision was shared through.

[John Adams]

Today is one of those days when I'm just "tired" of the current world and wish things could get going (I'm sure I'll get over it and put my head back down and start "enduring" again tomorrow). Anyway, with Col Flagg's post about the South Korea/North Korea tensions, I of course am curious if maybe that could be the "event" in the Pacific spoken of in this dream.

Thoughts?

[reese]

OI

I know you follow the prophet. I do not question that at all.

If you will recall, Nephi went to the Lord and received a revelation confirming what his father had seen (his father had stewardship). Then his brothers asked him what he understood about the vision his father had seen. Nephi then begins to expound upon it. As far as his words being published for all to see, it did not happen until he became a prophet. A prophet abridged the Book of Mormon and the prophet wrote them for us to read. So the revelation came through the words and writings of a prophet just as is should be.

I think the discussion where this was addressed in depth was over the RKY issue. Quotes and scriptural references were cited.

I do not dispute that people receive revelation. I dispute that they are then commanded or inspired to teach that revelation to those not under their stewardship. The reason being, God is organized and has set up teaching to be done using a specific order so we may know to what source to look for.

The Holy Ghost follows the Lords pattern of teaching and does not step out of it.

What about 1Nephi 1:4
"...and in that same year there came many prophets, prophesying unto the people they must repent, or the great city Jerusalem must be destroyed."

And the New Testament church included prophets and prophetesses who were not presiding general church officers.
Acts 21:8-11
"8-And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed and came unto Cesarea: and we entered into the house of Phillip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
9-And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
10-And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.
11- And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, so shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles."

Is it possible to have more than one Prophet at a time?

[bobhenstra]

OI

I know you follow the prophet. I do not question that at all.

If you will recall, Nephi went to the Lord and received a revelation confirming what his father had seen (his father had stewardship). Then his brothers asked him what he understood about the vision his father had seen. Nephi then begins to expound upon it. As far as his words being published for all to see, it did not happen until he became a prophet. A prophet abridged the Book of Mormon and the prophet wrote them for us to read. So the revelation came through the words and writings of a prophet just as is should be.

I think the discussion where this was addressed in depth was over the RKY issue. Quotes and scriptural references were cited.

I do not dispute that people receive revelation. I dispute that they are then commanded or inspired to teach that revelation to those not under their stewardship. The reason being, God is organized and has set up teaching to be done using a specific order so we may know to what source to look for.

The Holy Ghost follows the Lords pattern of teaching and does not step out of it.

What about 1Nephi 1:4
"...and in that same year there came many prophets, prophesying unto the people they must repent, or the great city Jerusalem must be destroyed."

And the New Testament church included prophets and prophetesses who were not presiding general church officers.
Acts 21:8-11
"8-And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed and came unto Cesarea: and we entered into the house of Phillip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
9-And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
10-And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.
11- And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, so shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles."

Is it possible to have more than one Prophet at a time?

I suppose so, we have at least 15 prophets, then there's the Seventy, presiding bishopric and I believe every stake has a patriarch. I know there are special men, women in my ward and stake, I'm married to one, though she is on the other side "resting" waiting--- on me.

However, When I'm looking for answers, for guidance, I look first to the living 15, those I raised my hand and sustained as prophets seers and revelators., then I look to past prophets, seers and revelators. I have discovered that I have no need to look beyond what is said by them, the messages that have been declared by those I search first. I find that as I look for direction in my study, if I go beyond those who are and who have been prophets seers and revelators in mortality, I don't learn much, far to much confusion, differences of opinion, bad interpretations. The prophets speak in plain English, Nephi's plainness, real searchers understand that fact! People who just read the scripture, or simply have General Conference on while doing something else, are not truly seeing and hearing, their eyes see the words, their ears hear the talks, but their minds are on something far distant.

Years ago I spent a couple of years in the BYU library studying journals of past great church leaders. In many of their journals they left copies of visions they experienced, but have never seen the light of day until someone like me opened their book. I made copies of many of those visions, that's what occupies the stacks I have against the wall in my study room. But there's a reason they were not published, so therefore I won't publish them or even mention them, the visions were meant for themselves and their families.

I have had my vision experiences, I've mentioned only part of one on this site, but doubt I'll mention anymore. That could change, according to the subject.

When I wrote my missive concerning Salvation, I quoted no one but prophets and church leaders, and added my own comments. I quoted no other source but church leaders. There are those here who don't like those quotes, that doesn't bother me, the day will come when even they will understand the plain truths of Salvation.

A perfect Father with a perfect plan, perfection cannot fail! Mortality is an essential part of that perfect plan, which "cannot" fail!

Bob

[reese]

Is it possible that the Lord will send a "prophet" to us that will be like Abinadi or Samuel the lamanite, someone who has no "authority" in the church? Christ himself had no "authority" in the church leadership when He came. He came in a way that required everyone to have no reason whatsoever to follow him. He did not come from a known family or town. He held no position in the leadership of the church. It was a perfect test, requiring those who heard His words to determine whether He was speaking the truth or not. He did not hold an office in the priesthood which would cause people to place blind faith in him for that reason alone.

The Lord has always used unknown and "unqualified" individuals as prophets. I wonder if the pattern will repeat in our day.

[bobhenstra]

Your assumption that Samuel had no authority would be incorrect. Mormon knew who is was and what prophetic authority Samuel held.

The fact that he seemed to pop up out of nowhere doesn't mean he was without authority. There are many such people mentioned in the scripture that acted and were authorized as prophets, but we have no record of their calling, Paul, James the brother of the Lord who wrote the Book of James, Zenock, Zenos, many more.

Since Mormon called Samuel a prophet, Samuel "was" a prophet, properly called and set apart as a prophet, just like it happens today, same with Abinadi, You can count on it!

Anyone who claims authority from any other source you can safely cross off your list!

Bob

[reese]

Your assumption that Samuel had no authority would be incorrect. Mormon knew who is was and what prophetic authority Samuel held.

The fact that he seemed to pop up out of nowhere doesn't mean he was without authority. There are many such people mentioned in the scripture that acted and were authorized as prophets, but we have no record of their calling, Paul, James the brother of the Lord who wrote the Book of James, Zenock, Zenos, many more.

Since Mormon called Samuel a prophet, Samuel "was" a prophet, properly called and set apart as a prophet, just like it happens today, same with Abinadi, You can count on it!

Anyone who claims authority from any other source you can safely cross off your list!
But what if someone is claiming authority from the Lord, and we pray and get a confirmation that it is true. Yet they have shown up, previously unknown to us as a church. How would that be handled?
Bob

I know that they had authority from the Lord. I guess my question is what if someone comes along with authority from the Lord, but they are not part of the heiarchy of the church. What if we are required to find out for ourselves if they are true messengers from the Lord, us having not had the opportunity to sustain them in general conference. Is that scenerio possible within the frame work of the way the Lord works in His church? It has obviously happened in the past.