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by DrJay
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:03 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Gallatin MO, what's the story
Replies: 48
Views: 6540

Re: Gallatin MO, what's the story

Actually, I saw nothing that had any hint of any-Mormon at all during the celebration. But I did hear one of the most inspiring talks I've ever heard on the 4th. The place erupted in clapping and support for this country.
by DrJay
Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:13 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: God and Country
Replies: 0
Views: 368

God and Country

With the breakdown in the fabric of this country, the corruption of government, the loss of morality, and the general loss of faith in the American dream, I find that the moments in which I feel real hope for this country seem to become more and more elusive. On the fourth of July in a small town in...
by DrJay
Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:33 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Gallatin MO, what's the story
Replies: 48
Views: 6540

Re: Gallatin MO, what's the story

Actually, the Gallatin park is the place to be on the 4th. The vets get to eat free some great BBQ at the pavillion. There are dozens of vendors with anything you care to eat and then some and the Root Beer is fantastic. This is not the Gallatin of 2011, things have changed dramatically in the last ...
by DrJay
Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:25 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Gallatin MO, what's the story
Replies: 48
Views: 6540

Re: Gallatin MO, what's the story

Actually, I am planning on spending the 4th in Gallatin. There has been a recent reactivation in the city that seems to me to be quite significant. They will be having a first class fireworks display. So if nothing else, it should be a lot of fun.
by DrJay
Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:19 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Gallatin MO, what's the story
Replies: 48
Views: 6540

Re: Gallatin MO, what's the story

Many LDS moved to Gallatin without adequate preparation. Many came without a job and don't understand why they can't find a high tech job in a rural community. Zion is doing well in Gallatin (I didn't say the LDS Church) and its businesses are expanding rapidly.
by DrJay
Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:51 pm
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Gathering to Zion
Replies: 142
Views: 11846

Re: Gathering to Zion

Actually just responding to the position that Zion will be built up by the LDS Church. That is obviously not my position. If the position was true (for the sake of discussion), I was pointing out that significant changes would need to take place from where the Church is today before Zion could be es...
by DrJay
Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:08 am
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Gathering to Zion
Replies: 142
Views: 11846

Re: Gathering to Zion

If the LDS Church is to build up Zion in Independence, it must surely change. I don't see that happening presently other than becoming more worldly. I wish I was wrong, as I have loved the church all of my life, but I don't see any evidence of any positive change taking place. To me the idea that Zi...
by DrJay
Sat May 31, 2014 4:22 pm
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Gathering to Zion
Replies: 142
Views: 11846

Re: Gathering to Zion

While I believe deeply in Zion (ie the New Jerusalem) will be in Independence, I wonder at this time how much the LDS Church will be involved with its building. The Church has become so entrenched in Babylon and I only see it becoming worse each year. Brigham Young told the people of his day that if...
by DrJay
Fri May 30, 2014 2:41 pm
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Gathering to Zion
Replies: 142
Views: 11846

Re: Gathering to Zion

As I read it, it seems that at the minimum there is a deemphasis of Zion as a location. While I will agree that there needs to be transformation in attitude, I wonder why there is no focus in fulfilling Josephs prophecy concerning the New Jerusalem? In many ways it seems the doctrine of Zion has bee...
by DrJay
Fri May 30, 2014 12:14 pm
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Gathering to Zion
Replies: 142
Views: 11846

Re: Gathering to Zion

I would like to know what he did say. Any link?
by DrJay
Fri May 30, 2014 11:29 am
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Gathering to Zion
Replies: 142
Views: 11846

Re: Gathering to Zion

I'm assuming that we have a misinterpretation of what Elder Holland said. I haven't read the article, but something here does not feel right.
by DrJay
Fri May 30, 2014 11:27 am
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Gathering to Zion
Replies: 142
Views: 11846

Re: Gathering to Zion

I read Elder Holland's Ensign recent article last night. He very clearly stated that we are to build up Zion wherever we are, and the we will stay there permanently. He referred to Utah as the New Jerusalem, and said that we will not flee Babylon as Saints have in times past. That doesn't sound lik...
by DrJay
Thu May 29, 2014 7:43 pm
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Gathering to Zion
Replies: 142
Views: 11846

Re: Gathering to Zion

So I gather that Elder Holland thinks that the Lord has changed his mind and the prophesies of all the prophets are all as dead as they are. Personally, I think different.
by DrJay
Wed May 28, 2014 6:29 pm
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Gathering to Zion
Replies: 142
Views: 11846

Re: Gathering to Zion

I believe that the Lord's guidance should take precedence over our personal and even our family choices. If you go with the Lord's direction and blessing then you will be in the correct place for you. Sometimes putting the Lord's will above our own desires can be difficult and hard to do. Sometimes ...
by DrJay
Tue May 27, 2014 7:04 pm
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Gathering to Zion
Replies: 142
Views: 11846

Re: Gathering to Zion

Joseph gave the location of Zion as Independence, Jackson County, Missouri. The Lord said it would not be moved out of its place. I take him at his word.

The gathering to Zion has already begun.
by DrJay
Mon May 12, 2014 6:53 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Whether by Mine Own Voice . . .
Replies: 12
Views: 787

Re: Whether by Mine Own Voice . . .

Megaman, if you think only LDS will be let in, you are mistaken... I believe you are absolutely correct. The Zion I see in progress is open to those of all faiths. It is a community based upon love for Christ and each other. http://www.churchofjesuschristinzion.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href)...
by DrJay
Mon May 12, 2014 6:38 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Roger billings?
Replies: 36
Views: 7518

Re: Roger billings?

He quoted the scripture that said Joseph Smith would only have power to give the authority to another if he lost his own (I forget if the scripture actually uses that word, but I'm really sure it does not use the word "keys") and, later, seemed to liken that with his own experience with Pres Kimbal...
by DrJay
Sun May 11, 2014 8:02 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Roger billings?
Replies: 36
Views: 7518

Re: Roger billings?

I waited to hear the answer to the question, how to discern revelation. The only answer I heard was a warning that one should not plead with the Lord because that would lead to false revelation. It would have been nice if he had pointed out that when Joseph had asked three times, the first two he h...
by DrJay
Thu May 08, 2014 9:36 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: We need more psychopathic missionaries.
Replies: 17
Views: 1226

Re: We need more psychopathic missionaries.

I got a 0, that must mean I'm dead
by DrJay
Wed May 07, 2014 5:23 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Denver Snuffer Your Only Hope
Replies: 44
Views: 3162

Re: Denver Snuffer Your Only Hope

The title of this thread is repulsive all by itself. I will put my hope in Jesus Christ, thank you. I hope that DS would also be offended.
by DrJay
Tue May 06, 2014 8:31 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: U.S. to unleash IRS on Russian Banks
Replies: 17
Views: 796

Re: U.S. to unleash IRS on Russian Banks

It seems that if the law requires reporting to the IRS by foreign banks with US based accounts that simply the banks will just cancel those accounts or convert them to other currencies. The biggest effect that I can see is that this would be one more nail in the coffin of the US dollar being "THE" r...
by DrJay
Fri May 02, 2014 2:56 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: $$$ College $$$
Replies: 44
Views: 2449

Re: $$$ College $$$

It's too bad that the International Academy of Science doesn't have a nursing program. It focuses on research degrees. All the students costs are covered by fellowships. No student loans. It is a one on one mentoring program, so the students have lots of experience in the real world before they grad...
by DrJay
Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:40 am
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: The end near, or is it...
Replies: 33
Views: 3730

Re: The end near, or is it...

Many people, now and in the past, believe that because everything is "ok" then the events prophesied must be a long time off. How many times have we been "caught unawares" because of this attitude. When the Lord says "enough" it is amazing at how quickly things are fulfilled. Logically, how long wou...
by DrJay
Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:07 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Roger billings?
Replies: 36
Views: 7518

Re: Roger billings?

cayenne wrote:Does Roger claim any particular Israeli tribal lineage?
I have never heard any claim as such, but I would assume that he received a patriarchal blessing that told him he was of Ephraim. But that would simply be a guess on my part.
by DrJay
Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:09 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Roger billings?
Replies: 36
Views: 7518

Re: Roger billings?

Dr.jay, thanks for your responses. One thing I did notice in one of the videos of your group is what appeared to be some oriental lineage people. I have actually never seen any one but Anglo Americans or Mexicans in any type of fundamentalist community. I happen to think that was nice to see. There...
by DrJay
Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:56 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Roger billings?
Replies: 36
Views: 7518

Re: Roger billings?

Just one more ? For now When D&C 103 talks about Zion must be redeemed by power by one like unto Moses, is Roger claiming to be him since I am understanding that jay, you all believe Zion is now in place? What about the temple lot issues? I want you to know I am asking sincere questions, and I enjo...
by DrJay
Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:52 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Roger billings?
Replies: 36
Views: 7518

Re: Roger billings?

So is Roger's group turned 'inward' or are they 'outward'? It seems most of the fundamentalist groups I have come across one way or another seem to be very 'inward.' They are not motivated to take Christ outside their group. They remain very closed, cliquish, and frankly very arrogant believing the...
by DrJay
Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:32 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Roger billings?
Replies: 36
Views: 7518

Re: Roger billings?

The issue with the LDS Church and polygamy was that its position was not consistent with what they taught. If Joseph was correct about plural marriage, then why don't they practice it today. If he was wrong, denounce him. Trying to say that he was correct and yet today we don't practice it doesn't w...
by DrJay
Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:28 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Name Calling
Replies: 29
Views: 1901

Re: Name Calling

I too am considered an apostate by many on the forum. Yes I was a member of the LDS Church. Yes I believed the doctrine as taught. I had a number of spiritual experiences that led me to leave the Church. Many of my beliefs have changed. That alone would be reason for many to use the label apostate. ...
by DrJay
Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:26 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Roger billings?
Replies: 36
Views: 7518

Re: Roger billings?

One of the things that I have observed is that a few people who have come to Zion are surprised to discover that to make it home to our Father we have to become perfect while in this experience. The last time I checked, I'm not there yet, so that requires that I need to change even more. Change is h...

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