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by passionflower
Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:50 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What do you make of this message?
Replies: 41
Views: 1224

Re: What do you make of this message?

The overall article just confirms all the more how up to our eyeballs in Babylon we are. Personally I am all about tradition, father working by the sweat of his brow bringing home the bacon and mother making the house a home and refuge, and both of them becoming one in purpose, yet each a distinct ...
by passionflower
Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:10 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What do you make of this message?
Replies: 41
Views: 1224

Re: What do you make of this message?

The overall article just confirms all the more how up to our eyeballs in Babylon we are. Personally I am all about tradition, father working by the sweat of his brow bringing home the bacon and mother making the house a home and refuge, and both of them becoming one in purpose, yet each a distinct ...
by passionflower
Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:06 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What do you make of this message?
Replies: 41
Views: 1224

Re: What do you make of this message?

Now to the article: Deseret News wants to be seen as unbiased so I often see articles that are ridiculous and I figure they are just putting out what their readers are reading. But really, who cares what the movies portray? I don't understand why people are even wasting their time on this trash. Li...
by passionflower
Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:42 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: We need more families.
Replies: 33
Views: 1043

Re: We need more families.

Hey you got more worldly success then I do, I'll never own a home or retire, I am on government assistance to due disability and have a crappy part time job. Only plus is I have my own appartment. And that was a hard get but I got it, and I am proud of that. I am not ready to be a step father, and ...
by passionflower
Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:43 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: We need more families.
Replies: 33
Views: 1043

Re: We need more families.

Hey you got more worldly success then I do, I'll never own a home or retire, I am on government assistance to due disability and have a crappy part time job. Only plus is I have my own appartment. And that was a hard get but I got it, and I am proud of that. I am not ready to be a step father, and ...
by passionflower
Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:34 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Curious Workmanship...
Replies: 31
Views: 960

Re: Curious Workmanship...

Occult can be an uncomfortable word, because of its common usages. "The Occult" is an uncomfortable idea. Your usage of the word is a little different than the common man's understanding. It does add a dimension to the discussion. After reading all the feedback, I see I have done nothing but upset ...
by passionflower
Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:32 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Taking away God's gender?
Replies: 26
Views: 790

Re: Taking away God's gender?

And the government is dictating this change. Another reason that a separation of church and state is so important. I must have missed something. How did the government dictate this? I thought the church was revising its handbook from its own initiative. The Sweden is on its way to the separation of...
by passionflower
Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:00 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Taking away God's gender?
Replies: 26
Views: 790

Re: Taking away God's gender?

Since the scriptures constantly refer to God as a "He" and during the most famous prayer of all says, " Our Father who art in Heaven". Yes a lot, A LOT would change in Christendom if God became genderless. It wouldn't really be Christianity anymore. If I asked the catholic bishop at the cathedral d...
by passionflower
Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:36 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Taking away God's gender?
Replies: 26
Views: 790

Re: Taking away God's gender?

Since the scriptures constantly refer to God as a "He" and during the most famous prayer of all says, " Our Father who art in Heaven". Yes a lot, A LOT would change in Christendom if God became genderless. It wouldn't really be Christianity anymore. If I asked the catholic bishop at the cathedral do...
by passionflower
Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:28 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Curious Workmanship...
Replies: 31
Views: 960

Re: Curious Workmanship...

Passionflower, nobody is “upset” with the word, you just didn’t preface what you meant by it originally. It could be that curious implies otherworldly but the word “occult” carries some heavy baggage that say, “hidden,” does not. Feel free to use the word, but I’d unpack your context a little. “Occ...
by passionflower
Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:23 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Curious Workmanship...
Replies: 31
Views: 960

Re: Curious Workmanship...

Occult can be an uncomfortable word, because of its common usages. "The Occult" is an uncomfortable idea. Your usage of the word is a little different than the common man's understanding. It does add a dimension to the discussion. After reading all the feedback, I see I have done nothing but upset ...
by passionflower
Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:05 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Curious Workmanship...
Replies: 31
Views: 960

Re: Curious Workmanship...

Rand, The word "curious workmanship" as used in the BOM has occult meaning. And the descriptions above me all fit under this umbrella. The reason words like, "intricate, wonderful, fine, flawless, etc" are not used is because "excellent workmanship" isn't the true distinguishing factor between the ...
by passionflower
Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:21 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Curious Workmanship...
Replies: 31
Views: 960

Re: Curious Workmanship...

Rand, The word "curious workmanship" as used in the BOM has occult meaning. And the descriptions above me all fit under this umbrella. The reason words like, "intricate, wonderful, fine, flawless, etc" are not used is because "excellent workmanship" isn't the true distinguishing factor between the b...
by passionflower
Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:01 am
Forum: Sisters in Zion
Topic: The Stepford Wives Organization
Replies: 30
Views: 1583

Re: The Stepford Wives Organization

Joseph Smith backs up these verses up there that were written by Paul. At the same time he says that you will know a church is false if a woman is leading it, or if women are set over men who have to defer or be subservient to them. So, uh Primary? The random and awkwardly out of place guy at Girls...
by passionflower
Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:55 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Glorified Body of "flesh and bone" not transhumanism
Replies: 12
Views: 342

Re: Glorified Body of "flesh and bone" not transhumanism

Technology and science are inherently masculine. Both are systematic, linear, predictable and orderly in their use and application, and are all around neck up. In a world where masculinity is being downplayed to downright destroyed, these fields are saving graces. In a way, science and technology ar...
by passionflower
Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:51 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Projecting future of men only priesthood
Replies: 74
Views: 1681

Re: Projecting future of men only priesthood

In some ways the real question here is how would or will your respond if, what you consider to be the unthinkable in the church, takes place? We can pose this question in any number of ways from the ordination of women to the reintroduction of plural marriage. These are two extremes the same test. ...
by passionflower
Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:32 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Projecting future of men only priesthood
Replies: 74
Views: 1681

Re: Projecting future of men only priesthood

The passing of the sacrament by the deacons truly is a very important part of the Priesthood ordinance and is not optional for men. Just because women pass the tray down a row does not negate this. It is still passed to a deacon at the other end, and he alone returns it to the Priest. The Sacrament ...
by passionflower
Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:35 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Things I love most about the Church.
Replies: 49
Views: 1335

Re: Things I love most about the Church.

PF, I have always enjoyed your posts and found your writing to be clear and expressive. Don't run your-self down, because you have demonstrated refinements that many of the posters here on this forum do not posses (much to the annoyance of some of us on the forum). Possibly consider yourself like M...
by passionflower
Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:25 pm
Forum: Sisters in Zion
Topic: The Stepford Wives Organization
Replies: 30
Views: 1583

Re: The Stepford Wives Organization

One last comment. I don't trust those bible verses, those sound like they came from men, not God. The book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel and does not contain anything like that. Each book of scripture is different, containing information that the other books do not possess. The Book...
by passionflower
Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:00 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Things I love most about the Church.
Replies: 49
Views: 1335

Re: Things I love most about the Church.

The drive home... Hi Obrien! Hi PF. I assume you're satisfied with your proficiency in writing English, since it's been a long while since I've heard from you. Peace and love to you, sister. No, I am not satisfied at all. I look back on many of my posts and wonder that anyone gets me at all. Perhap...
by passionflower
Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:46 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Things I love most about the Church.
Replies: 49
Views: 1335

Re: Things I love most about the Church.

Obrien wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:23 am
The drive home...
Hi Obrien!
by passionflower
Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:45 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Things I love most about the Church.
Replies: 49
Views: 1335

Re: Things I love most about the Church.

The thing I love best about the church is the Deseret Industries. As I thought about it, this truly came to my mind as my favorite thing. I love going there. If one was within walking distance, I am afraid I would get into a very bad habit of visiting it far far too often. There is a good spirit abo...
by passionflower
Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:52 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Projecting future of men only priesthood
Replies: 74
Views: 1681

Re: Projecting future of men only priesthood

In some ways the real question here is how would or will your respond if, what you consider to be the unthinkable in the church, takes place? We can pose this question in any number of ways from the ordination of women to the reintroduction of plural marriage. These are two extremes the same test. ...
by passionflower
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:59 pm
Forum: Alternative Health Solutions
Topic: alternative/complementary cancer cures
Replies: 46
Views: 2655

Re: alternative/complementary cancer cures

I thought I should probably give an update here. I came through major abdominal surgery just fine, and I think I have fully recovered. Now I am headed for neck surgery in three weeks and I saw the ENT surgeon yesterday. He showed me my ultrasound and identified five very large tumors that were wrapp...
by passionflower
Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:41 am
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: A scripture for all who put personal revelation (falsely called) above prophetic counsel
Replies: 146
Views: 4664

Re: A scripture for all who put personal revelation (falsely called) above prophetic counsel

I am a traditional and orthodox person, IMO, but nevertheless I would say along with Steven R Covey that "conformity is not necessarily unity". I have had the experience of being led, no, "pushed" is more like it, to go against what was being said by the Prophet or Apostles ( at the time ). And like...
by passionflower
Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:52 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What is behind 3rd wave feminism?
Replies: 11
Views: 548

Re: What is behind 3rd wave feminism?

Hi PassionFlower, The material to putting the pieces of history together to form a good idea of the direction of all the movements in the last 100 years comes from the book: The President Makers - How Billionaires Control U.S. and Foreign Policy https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ur...
by passionflower
Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:13 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What is behind 3rd wave feminism?
Replies: 11
Views: 548

Re: What is behind 3rd wave feminism?

Admittedly, I am not female. I am a man that has studied the truth of these movements over decades. The 1st large wave of feminism came in the early 1900s when it was time for women to get the vote. (near universal suffrage) However, this was the same period of time as The Big 3 (Morgan, Rockefelle...
by passionflower
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:32 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: LDS LIVING--Lesbian says, "heavenly father made me to be gay."
Replies: 124
Views: 3653

Re: LDS LIVING--Lesbian says, "heavenly father made me to be gay."

I guess if I am going to preach what I believe, I should be willing to debate it doctrinally,.....Give me a little bit of time....but I have just briefly looked at scriptures Christianity uses against homosexuality. I'm prepared to give you a hefty debate for the first two i just read. I will give ...
by passionflower
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:28 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: LDS LIVING--Lesbian says, "heavenly father made me to be gay."
Replies: 124
Views: 3653

Re: LDS LIVING--Lesbian says, "heavenly father made me to be gay."

Love is not kissing up and essentially saying, “Sure - go ahead hurt yourself & others, anything you want I just want MYSELF to seem like a good guy so I will go along with whatever harmful insanity you want.” Love is acknowledging what is, while striving for what is best. According to US nation-wi...
by passionflower
Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:56 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What is behind 3rd wave feminism?
Replies: 11
Views: 548

Re: What is behind 3rd wave feminism?

I still remember when I could get a job anywhere. I could just walk in off the street and be hired. Those were the days when help wanted columns could still ask for women only, so I didn't have to compete with a man for it. AND there weren't a lot of other women keeping their jobs after marraige or ...

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