Impeach the President?

[prew]

I am hearing about a old method that has been discovered by a lawmaker. The principle is that of judging the cheif judge by the smaller judges as explained by King Mosiah before he institude the reign of judges in the Book of Mormon. I am not familiar with the techicalities but it looks like if one state legislature passes a bill to impeach the president of the USA then, Congress is obligated to fulfill that impeachment proceding. So the stories I am hearing is that we need to convence our state legislature to pass a bill to impeach the president.

Well...impeaching the president is an improvement, but then Cheney will be president. You need to impeach Cheney too.

That is how President Ford was made president. He wasn't elected by the people.

Who becomes president if the President and vice president is removed from office?

Hmmmm... Not a pretty picture. The real solution is this November elect honest and wise people to Congress. People with backbone, and will not turn against the Constitution.

Paul Rew

[lundbaek]

Sad thing is, I expect the PTB / Gadiantons / puppet masters will maneuver four globalists onto the republican and democrat tickets, and stampede the Ameerican sheeple into to focusing only on those two teams, while making sure candidates of other parties are ignored as much as possible.

It appears the Constitution Party of Utah is getting some good candidates running for various offices. Here in Arizona we seem to be doing poorly.

[paper]

The fundamental problem today is that the vice president is just as bad as the current one. Even if you could mobilize enough of your state legislature to do it. I fear that we've reached the point where the politicians in our own states are towing the same line as the federal representatives. The state reps are closer to home, so there is slightly more accountability, but we've all succumb to the same thing.

[lundbaek]

I agree that inpeaching Obama may be a lost cause. But sometimes a lost cause is the only cause worth fighting for. A sincere, attention-getting effort to impeach and convict Obama would, I believe, further awaken more Americans to our awful situation. Well worth the effort, IMO.

[Tribunal]

I am hearing about a old method that has been discovered by a lawmaker. The principle is that of judging the cheif judge by the smaller judges as explained by King Mosiah before he institude the reign of judges in the Book of Mormon. I am not familiar with the techicalities but it looks like if one state legislature passes a bill to impeach the president of the USA then, Congress is obligated to fulfill that impeachment proceding. So the stories I am hearing is that we need to convence our state legislature to pass a bill to impeach the president.

Well...impeaching the president is an improvement, but then Cheney will be president. You need to impeach Cheney too.

That is how President Ford was made president. He wasn't elected by the people.

Who becomes president if the President and vice president is removed from office?

Hmmmm... Not a pretty picture. The real solution is this November elect honest and wise people to Congress. People with backbone, and will not turn against the Constitution.

Paul Rew

Paul, even if what you've heard were true you would need a federal government that actually follows it's own laws. Right now we have anarchy in the federal government and the tyrant-in-chief is capitalizing on this. I seriously doubt any impeachment proceedings will happen. I believe any threat of impeachment from a state or congressman or senator will cause the media to jump on the 'threats of civil war' by them crazy Christians, and this will give Homeland Security Secretary Napoleon an excuse to use their newly purchased billions of anti-personnel hollow point bullets and 2700 MRAPs against We the People.

[freedomforall]

United Impeach Obama Protest - Tax Day Tea Party

[gkearney]

I am hearing about a old method that has been discovered by a lawmaker. The principle is that of judging the cheif judge by the smaller judges as explained by King Mosiah before he institude the reign of judges in the Book of Mormon. I am not familiar with the techicalities but it looks like if one state legislature passes a bill to impeach the president of the USA then, Congress is obligated to fulfill that impeachment proceding. So the stories I am hearing is that we need to convence our state legislature to pass a bill to impeach the president.

Well...impeaching the president is an improvement, but then Cheney will be president. You need to impeach Cheney too.

That is how President Ford was made president. He wasn't elected by the people.

Who becomes president if the President and vice president is removed from office?

Hmmmm... Not a pretty picture. The real solution is this November elect honest and wise people to Congress. People with backbone, and will not turn against the Constitution.

Paul Rew

If I recall correctly in the event of a vacancy of both the President and Vice-President the the Speaker of the House of Representatives becomes president.

[Benjamin_LK]

All I can say is this: At this point, even if you could impeach the president and fully remove him from office, it would make so very little difference, why? Because the electorate would easily approve of someone just as bad come next election, or worse. And the electorate always seem to be something that people don't seem to acknowledge much in reality, when in reality, they do matter. I mean, hearing the phrase powers that be, or TPTB, often sound to me like a little excuse made for problems in policy, when there is the problem among the people of this nation, and their incredible lack of care for qualities of leadership that they apply to whom they vote for. If the electorate actually cared about the National Debt, even so much as a few years ago, we wouldn't be as deep in National Debt and/or deficit as we are now.

[freedomforall]

All I can say is this: At this point, even if you could impeach the president and fully remove him from office, it would make so very little difference, why? Because the electorate would easily approve of someone just as bad come next election, or worse. And the electorate always seem to be something that people don't seem to acknowledge much in reality, when in reality, they do matter. I mean, hearing the phrase powers that be, or TPTB, often sound to me like a little excuse made for problems in policy, when there is the problem among the people of this nation, and their incredible lack of care for qualities of leadership that they apply to whom they vote for. If the electorate actually cared about the National Debt, even so much as a few years ago, we wouldn't be as deep in National Debt and/or deficit as we are now.

But we do need a President that is not so eager to throw money around. Some say he, Obama, is spending us into socialism. So I think a constitutionalist President is needed, and could make a difference. We could get Obamacare repealed. We could keep our guns without fear of some tyrannical group lurking behind the wall ready to pounce on us and take them away. This is my HO anyway.

[freedomforall]

Who In The Obama Administration Is Going To Jail?
May 18, 2013 By Floyd Brown Comments (13)

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It hasn’t been a very good week for the Obama administration. In fact, I’ve never seen the sharks circling as they are today… particularly about the IRS abuse scandal.

You see, Congress is serious about this one. They have five years of pent-up frustration over Obama’s Teflon-like ability to shirk responsibility; and now that he’s on the defensive, they’re going to make sure the law is enforced. The Speaker of the House, John Boehner, asked, “Who’s going to jail over this scandal?”

Yet somehow Obama and his team seem to not understand the gravity of the charges leveled against them. Or perhaps they’re simply in denial. They’ve clearly lost control of the news cycle, and even Obama’s own people are starting to look out for themselves.

Not even the most committed Obama followers want to do jail time for him.

The IRS Scandal in Review

So far, Mr. Boehner and the media have mostly focused on the delay/rejection of tax-exempt status for Tea Party and conservative advocacy groups.

We see this clearly in Boehner’s comments: “Someone made a conscious decision to harass and to hold up these requests for tax-exempt status… I think we need to know who they are and whether they violated the law. Clearly, someone violated the law.”

But my sources on Capitol Hill tell me the investigation has moved from this first violation onto even more significant breaches of IRS statute.

It seems that, under Obama, the IRS has leaked specific information from tax returns and IRS applications of conservative organizations to the media and liberal advocacy organizations.

We know this because of a report from the news organization, ProPublica, which received the illegal information. An article released on May 13 states: “The same IRS office that deliberately targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status in the run-up to the 2012 election released nine pending confidential applications of conservative groups to ProPublica late last year.”

And if that wasn’t enough, House investigators have also heard about another major felony committed by someone at the IRS.

John Eastman, Chairman of the Board of the anti-same-sex-marriage group The National Organization for Marriage (NOM), reported, “A year ago, someone at the IRS illegally disclosed the confidential portions of its tax return to the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), the leading organization on the other side of NOM in the war over the definition of marriage. At the time, HRC was headed by someone who had just been named national co-Chair of the Obama for President campaign.”

The bottom line is this: Releasing confidential tax returns is a felony, and the review of confidential tax returns is also a felony.

The HRC reviewed the illicit tax returns and, after acknowledging the document was illegally received, placed it on their website. Soon afterward, the information appeared on the Huffington Post and in other news outlets.

Eastman tried repeatedly to get the attention of authorities. He said:

We asked the IRS and the Department of Justice for an investigation more than a year ago. An investigation was had, but they refuse to let us know who was responsible. We then filed several freedom of information act requests to get to the truth, beginning last August. But NOM’s requests have largely been stonewalled. That latest non-response response is priceless. The identity of the perpetrator, the person responsible for illegally disclosing NOM’s tax returns, is ‘confidential’ information protected from disclosure by the very same law that this individual violated.

Big Problems

Despite their nonchalance, Obama’s team actually has more to worry about than just Congress. The FBI is also looking into the IRS’s criminal activities under the Obama administration.

It’s been a busy – and shocking – week on Capitol Hill. We’ll stay on top of this scandal as the story progresses, and we’ll use our inside sources to bring you the big news before it breaks in the mainstream media.

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[lundbaek]

I certainly wish the entire or even most of Congress was serious about these offences, but I have grave doubts. 2 presidents in my lifetime faced possible removal from office; FDR for his involvement in the Pearl Harbor deception, and Bill Clinton for Monicagate (which IMO was a smoke screen for Chinagate). In both of those cases a large number of members of Congress came to the presidents' rescue. I believe Obama will skate out of these as well. If not, it will probably be because the latter-day gadiantons want him out, possibly to grease the skids for Hillary.

[freedomforall]

I certainly wish the entire or even most of Congress was serious about these offences, but I have grave doubts. 2 presidents in my lifetime faced possible removal from office; FDR for his involvement in the Pearl Harbor deception, and Bill Clinton for Monicagate (which IMO was a smoke screen for Chinagate). In both of those cases a large number of members of Congress came to the presidents' rescue. I believe Obama will skate out of these as well. If not, it will probably be because the latter-day gadiantons want him out, possibly to grease the skids for Hillary.

I somehow think, however, that if a POTUS would be impeached, it would let subsequent politicians know that they're being watched. Maybe they wouldn't be so eager to do wrong.
I also wonder if the so-called prophesy about the Elders rallying together with other like minded people to save the Constitution is really true. What more could possibly happen that would sever the last remaining thread, whatever that is? I personally don't believe it would be after the cleansing, there would be no need for it then. Too many other prophesies will be underway and our focus will be on survival. We may see history repeat itself, in that in the BoM the Nephites were about to be slaughtered if the sign didn't appear concerning Christ's birth. A constant increase of people began to believe the sign was false, and never going to happen. What few there were left still believing we about to die. Then that night the sign came, Christ came and said "on the morrow come I into the world" and people rejoiced, having their lives spared and also knowing that Christ was being born into the world the very next day.
Just where are all these saints going to come from to save the Constitution, it is nearly destroyed as it is? And we are fast approaching another time when people will say "it is past time for the Lord to come, for he delayeth his coming.
Also, in the bible we read about the saints being overcome by Lucifer and his earthly minions (Rev 13:). How can this happen and the Constitution be saved in the same time frame? We can't have it both way, at the same time. Therefore, this is why I think the constitution should be saved now rather than later.
I wish I had much more insight on these things, but unfortunately I don't. My gut feeling is that the Constitution thing will be soon, and prior to the cleansing. Having said this, however, I don't mind being wrong because it is conjecture anyway.

Here is the example I spoke of:

3 Nephi 1
4 And it came to pass that in the commencement of the ninety and second year, behold, the prophecies of the prophets began to be fulfilled more fully; for there began to be greater signs and greater miracles wrought among the people.
5 But there were some who began to say that the time was past for the words to be fulfilled, which were spoken by Samuel, the Lamanite.
6 And they began to rejoice over their brethren, saying: Behold the time is past, and the words of Samuel are not fulfilled; therefore, your joy and your faith concerning this thing hath been vain.
7 And it came to pass that they did make a great uproar throughout the land; and the people who believed began to be very sorrowful, lest by any means those things which had been spoken might not come to pass.
8 But behold, they did watch steadfastly for that day and that night and that day which should be as one day as if there were no night, that they might know that their faith had not been vain.
9 Now it came to pass that there was a day set apart by the unbelievers, that all those who believed in those traditions should be put to death except the sign should come to pass, which had been given by Samuel the prophet.
10 Now it came to pass that when Nephi, the son of Nephi, saw this wickedness of his people, his heart was exceedingly sorrowful.
11 And it came to pass that he went out and bowed himself down upon the earth, and cried mightily to his God in behalf of his people, yea, those who were about to be destroyed because of their faith in the tradition of their fathers.
12 And it came to pass that he cried mightily unto the Lord all that day; and behold, the voice of the Lord came unto him, saying:
13 Lift up your head and be of good cheer; for behold, the time is at hand, and on this night shall the sign be given, and on the morrow come I into the world, to show unto the world that I will fulfil all that which I have caused to be spoken by the mouth of my holy prophets.
14 Behold, I come unto my own, to fulfil all things which I have made known unto the children of men from the foundation of the world, and to do the will, both of the Father and of the Son—of the Father because of me, and of the Son because of my flesh. And behold, the time is at hand, and this night shall the sign be given.

[lundbaek]

No way am I suggesting abandonment of efforts to impeach and convict Obama. Fact is, I have written to my congressional representative asking her to get on board the movement in the "House" to impeach the president.

I must admit that the only reason I believe the so-called prophesy about the Elders rallying together with other like minded people to save the Constitution is really true is because it was stated by Joseph Smith and spoken of by President Benson in a Church general conference. Otherwise, I would have my doubts because of the failure of Latter-day Saints to honour the Constitution and its principles. However, I am noting what appears to be an incrreasing number of LDS folks showing interest and concern about the trashing of our country. That is the only sign of hope I can see.

[freedomforall]

No way am I suggesting abandonment of efforts to impeach and convict Obama. Fact is, I have written to my congressional representative asking her to get on board the movement in the "House" to impeach the president.

I must admit that the only reason I believe the so-called prophesy about the Elders rallying together with other like minded people to save the Constitution is really true is because it was stated by Joseph Smith and spoken of by President Benson in a Church general conference. Otherwise, I would have my doubts because of the failure of Latter-day Saints to honour the Constitution and its principles. However, I am noting what appears to be an incrreasing number of LDS folks showing interest and concern about the trashing of our country. That is the only sign of hope I can see.

The reasons you cited I concur with. The saints then can raise our own Title of Liberty, which is the United States Flag and what it stands for. I've even been flying one in front of my house as of late, something I had never done.

[lundbaek]

Latter-day Saints have been told of the vital importance of learning the principles of the US Constitution as it was meant to be understood, and of defending, upholding and adhering to its principles. Unfortunately, they have failed America by not being united in upholding, defending and abiding by the Constitution of the United States. Not only have they ignored the admonitions in their scriptures and from their prophets and apostles to study, uphold, and abide by the principles of the US Constitution, but they have also largely ignored the warnings about secret combinations among them striving to gain control over their government and steal their wealth.

[freedomforall]

Latter-day Saints have been told of the vital importance of learning the principles of the US Constitution as it was meant to be understood, and of defending, upholding and adhering to its principles. Unfortunately, they have failed America by not being united in upholding, defending and abiding by the Constitution of the United States. Not only have they ignored the admonitions in their scriptures and from their prophets and apostles to study, uphold, and abide by the principles of the US Constitution, but they have also largely ignored the warnings about secret combinations among them striving to gain control over their government and steal their wealth.

You are correct again. I'm somewhat ashamed of myself because of my lack of caring over so many years. The good news is...I will not have died without a shift in my paradigm. And that is what counts.
My wife's father was deep into Constitutional study and becoming aware. He even had a copy of "An enemy Hath Done This" by ETB. Most (about 5 I'm guessing) of his own children (7), however, have not shown much interest, all of them over 55 now.
On the other hand, I have learned a lot from "None Dare Call it Conspiracy", "A Glorious Standard", "Prophets Principles And National Survival", "Latter-day Prophets and the United States Constitution", and websites like: http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/books.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/f ... lin-h-oaks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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To name some.

[skmo]

Exceedingly unlikely, and even if it did, nothing would come of it.

[lundbaek]

Sometimes a lost cause is the only one worth fighting for. A sincere, attention-getting effort to impeach and convict Obama would, I believe, further awaken more Americans to our awful situation. Well worth the effort, IMO. And it didn't cost me a nickle to email my socialist ex-Mormon congressional representative my reasons for wanting Obama impeached.

[freedomforall]

Sometimes a lost cause is the only one worth fighting for. A sincere, attention-getting effort to impeach and convict Obama would, I believe, further awaken more Americans to our awful situation. Well worth the effort, IMO. And it didn't cost me a nickle to email my socialist ex-Mormon congressional representative my reasons for wanting Obama impeached.

I agree. My congressman is of the opposite party I'm in but he still needs to hear and know what people want. I believe if enough pressure were placed on these congressman, impeachment would become a vital act, not to be ignored.
I know there are several knowledgeable people on this forum that would know exactly what to say to a congressman. I don't think saying, "I want Obama impeached" has any clout. There are impeachable offenses on the table right now. I just don't know how to present them with any eloquence.

Maybe if by people listing all the impeachable acts the Obama Administration has done, people would send it to their congressman.
How about Seal Team Six, the IRS scandal and going around congress via executive order to impose laws on the public. Are any of these worth listing?

[lundbaek]

My email to our congressionsl representative:

"The Benghazi disaster and obvious lies about it by Obama, his "Fast and Furious" gun-running scandal, his “recess appointments” to the National Labor Relations Board even though Congress was not in recess, his appointment of many unvetted “czars,” his refusal to enforce immigration laws, and U.S. participation in the fighting in Libya without a declaration of war are all each grounds for impeachment. And I strongly advise you to involve yourself in initiation of impeachment procedings against the president."

[freedomforall]

My email to our congressional representative:

"The Benghazi disaster and obvious lies about it by Obama, his "Fast and Furious" gun-running scandal, his “recess appointments” to the National Labor Relations Board even though Congress was not in recess, his appointment of many un-vetted “czars,” his refusal to enforce immigration laws, and U.S. participation in the fighting in Libya without a declaration of war are all each grounds for impeachment. And I strongly advise you to involve yourself in initiation of impeachment proceedings against the president."

Awesome. Unless anyone else would like to add to it...other than jokes, sarcasm and ridicule, this should say what is needed to go out to all the congressman...from all five of us. Note that my sarcasm was not implemented in the statement.

Come on folks, how many will join in and send a letter/email to their congressman concerning a strong opposition to keeping this POTUS in office? Like Lundbaek inferred, that a lost cause is only a lost cause if no one does anything.

What say ye?

Thank you.

[Bgood]

Rush Limbaugh: ‘We Can’t Impeach Obama’


Joe Kovacs

PALM BEACH, Fla. – While a new poll says half of Americans and one-in four Democrats want Barack Obama impeached from office for a series of recent major scandals, the president’s archenemy in the media says working toward booting the commander in chief is simply a “wasted effort.”

“We can’t impeach Obama, it isn’t gonna happen,” radio powerhouse Rush Limbaugh said on his program Monday, “but we can impeach the Democratic Party and get it out of town by voting them out.”

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The Obama administration has come under severe fire this month for its handing of the terrorist onslaught in Benghazi, Libya, the targeting of conservative and tea-party groups by the Internal Revenue Service, and the monitoring of phone records of journalists.

“As far as the public is concerned, Obama’s not in trouble,” Limbaugh said. “This isn’t gonna touch Obama. Benghazi’s not gonna touch Obama. Nothing else has touched Obama. The economy hasn’t touched Obama. The debt hasn’t touched Obama. The fact that nobody can find a decent job anymore hasn’t touched Obama. The fact that militant terrorists are all over the place attacking Americans hasn’t touched Obama. Why is this?”

All of America is buzzing about impeaching Obama. Now you can pre-order Aaron Klein’s latest blockbuster, “Impeachable Offenses: The Case for removing Barack Obama from Office.”

He continued, “In the first place, you are not going to see the media join any kind of movement to even cause Obama to be embarrassed to be in trouble.”

[freedomforall]

Rush Limbaugh: ‘We Can’t Impeach Obama’


Joe Kovacs

PALM BEACH, Fla. – While a new poll says half of Americans and one-in four Democrats want Barack Obama impeached from office for a series of recent major scandals, the president’s archenemy in the media says working toward booting the commander in chief is simply a “wasted effort.”

“We can’t impeach Obama, it isn’t gonna happen,” radio powerhouse Rush Limbaugh said on his program Monday, “but we can impeach the Democratic Party and get it out of town by voting them out.”

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The Obama administration has come under severe fire this month for its handing of the terrorist onslaught in Benghazi, Libya, the targeting of conservative and tea-party groups by the Internal Revenue Service, and the monitoring of phone records of journalists.

“As far as the public is concerned, Obama’s not in trouble,” Limbaugh said. “This isn’t gonna touch Obama. Benghazi’s not gonna touch Obama. Nothing else has touched Obama. The economy hasn’t touched Obama. The debt hasn’t touched Obama. The fact that nobody can find a decent job anymore hasn’t touched Obama. The fact that militant terrorists are all over the place attacking Americans hasn’t touched Obama. Why is this?”

All of America is buzzing about impeaching Obama. Now you can pre-order Aaron Klein’s latest blockbuster, “Impeachable Offenses: The Case for removing Barack Obama from Office.”

He continued, “In the first place, you are not going to see the media join any kind of movement to even cause Obama to be embarrassed to be in trouble.”

Then why, tell us, do we have the Declaration of Independence? Sounds like Limbaugh doesn't know what it says. Who needs the media to embarrass Obama? It's important that members of congress be told by their constituents to actively work on getting rid of Obama. Or we can sit back and say "nothing can be done, nothing will work, because Rush Limbaugh says so."

Just where are the Mormons going to come from to save the Constitution? JS said it will happen, no?

[lundbaek]

The Mormons will rise to save the Constitution when the Prophet tells us to. Just ask them. The current crop does not remember the general rejection of Presidents McKay, Clark, Benson, etc.

[freedomforall]

The Mormons will rise to save the Constitution when the Prophet tells us to. Just ask them. The current crop does not remember the general rejection of Presidents McKay, Clark, Benson, etc.

Amen and Amen! But we just keep plugging away, bro.

I am reminded of this:
The devil knows that if the elders of Israel should ever wake up, they could step forth and help preserve freedom and extend the gospel. Therefore the devil has concentrated, and to a large extent successfully, in neutralizing much of the priesthood. He has reduced them to sleeping giants. His arguments are clever….
[Says the devil]: “Don’t do anything in the fight for freedom until the Church sets up its own specific program to save the Constitution.” This brings us right back to the scripture…to those slothful servants who will not do anything until they are “compelled in all things” [D&C 58:26]. Maybe the Lord will never set up a specific church program for the purpose of saving the Constitution. Perhaps if he set one up at this time it might split the Church asunder, and perhaps he does not want that to happen yet for not all the wheat and tares are fully ripe….
[H]ave we elders been warned? Yes, we have. And have we elders been given the guidelines? Yes indeed, we have. And besides, if the Church should ever inaugurate a program [to save the Constitution], who do you think would be in the forefront to get it moving? It would not be those who were sitting on the sidelines prior to that time or those who were appeasing the enemy. It would be those choice spirits who, not waiting to be “commanded in all things,” used their own free will, the counsel of the prophets, and the Spirit of the Lord as guidelines and who entered the battle “in a good cause” and brought to pass much righteousness in freedom’s cause….
Brethren, if we had done our homework and were faithful, we could step forward at this time and help save this country. The fact that most of us are unprepared to do it is an indictment we will have to bear. The longer we wait, the heavier the chains, the deeper the blood, the more the persecution, and the less we can carry out our God-given mandate and worldwide mission. The war in heaven
is raging on the earth today. Are you being neutralized in the battle? (April 1965, General Conference)

What does this tell us, folks?