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Do we think that the many thousands of members of the Church in Western Missouri will come under destruction without being warned?

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Re: Pls re-consider "yellow-dog prophecy" & other ex-officio

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I wish I had brought my Priesthood/RS manual on this trip to MO, but did not do so. If someone will get that and look up the chapter discussing the New Jerusalem, would appreciate it. I think it is clear that the "western boundary of Missouri" refers to Independence, that area, and clearly does NOT refer to the entire state of Missouri.

Personally, I would not wish to live in the last days near ANY LARGE CITY and that would include Independence area (for me) but we have chosen rural areas over 50 miles from any large city... Also, a long ways from major earthquake-fault zones. HOWEVER, you are responsible for your own decisions and I recommend these be made with study and prayer.

I did have a very strong feeling personally that I would not wish to be in Los Angeles... I used to live near there, have long since moved.
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Dr JOnes, maybe God was watching over you when you "resigned" from BYU. That whole area is very prone to earthquakes and as BY said will be among the most wicked places on earth. (grin)
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We have been counseled by the Brethren to gather to the Stakes of Zion instead of all coming to Utah as in the early part of this century. Please read this talk by Elder McConkie: http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?v ... &hideNav=1

There are Stakes in Independence and the surrounding areas. Plus, they are building a temple back there. Why would you build a temple if you didn't want anyone there? Of course, at some point, when the tribulations are poured out it may not be safe to be back there (as well as a lot of other places) but I think we need to listen to the Brethren for that info. But right now, everyone needs to follow the promptings of the Holy Ghost. If people feel prompted to be back there that sounds ok to me. Of course, do I think the people who are back there are going to have an upper hand on helping to redeem Zion? I really don't think so.
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Zion or bust, the 3 1/2 year Tribulation period began this month with the Global financial collapse. The clearing out of MO will NOT occur until near the end of the Tribulation Period around late 2011 or early 2012. Then the 3 1/2 year Judgement period begins where the destructions talked about in the BofR occur. In effect, we have about 7 months to prepare for the Exodus to the MW in April 2009
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Captain Moroni wrote:Zion or bust, the 3 1/2 year Tribulation period began this month with the Global financial collapse. The clearing out of MO will NOT occur until near the end of the Tribulation Period around late 2011 or early 2012. Then the 3 1/2 year Judgement period begins where the destructions talked about in the BofR occur. In effect, we have about 7 months to prepare for the Exodus to the MW in April 2009


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You refer to this frequently but it is your opinion. I am glad to let every man have his opinion but I think that you are a little too brash on this. I highly doubt that there will be a mass exodus to the MW in April 2009. But that is not too far away so we shall see. I look to the Brethren (they have the keys of the gathering of Israel--see D&C 110) for advise on these kind of matters. For now gather to the Stakes of Zion or wherever the Spirit prompts you to be.
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Zion or bust, I find that brashness/boldness often scares people because we saints today are getting used to watered down messages about the last days that can easily be interpreted in many ways. Go look at the brashness of many of the GC talks in the Journal of Discourses to see the difference.

In todaqy's shallow educational thinking, everyone's opinion is equal so no one can be right. There are NO absolutes.

God says "sound a SURE trumpet to call us to battle." Jesus commands all of us to be pondering upon and looking daily at the signs of the last days. God promises us that when we do that we will be told what to do to be safe. Sure I'd like the GAs to sound a surer trumpet BUT I'm NOT depending upon it and waiting for them to do that.

Certainly all I say is my INFORMED opinion which I'm NOT afraid to put to the test. I have NEVER said to leave your homes UNLESS the call comes through official Priesthood channels??? WE are to STay in the Stakes of ZION for now where we will be SPIRITUALLY SAFE.

Based on my analysis of hundreds of words of prophets and other sources, it appears to me that April 2009 is a critical time to be especially watchful and ready to move IF called upon by proper authority to do so. My Patrriarchal Blessing promises me that I will see the future as if "ahndwritten upon the wall. " Am I too ignore that promise?

A direct challenge to you and others.Which of the three recommendations I've made about being prepared would be bad if I'm wrong about April? Or would everyone be more spiritaully prepared and physically safer against the wiles of Lucifer?
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Captain, as a newbie to trying to read and understand the Book of Revelation can you give me a reference for the 3 1/2 year of tribulation?
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Newbie, its talked about as 42 months or 1260 days in Isaaih, Daniel and the BofR. I've found that a study on your own with some guidance is much more productive. Find everwhere that these numbers are used by GOD. As you ponder on them, the HG will open your es of understanding.
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Personally, I think that April 2009 will be a holy time. And that most of us will never hear about it. This is pure speculation, but I think that is the most likely since April has had the most spiritual events.

Christ's birth
Christ's Resurrection
Church Organized

These are good spiritual things that have happened after times of trial, but only a few got to witness them first hand, up close and personal, yet we all benefited from them.
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Proud, what would be spiritual then being called into the wilderness in April, 2009 with Christ as our personbal teacher and protector? Yes, early April is a special time.
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I dont know. I am thinking more like 2012 for the Missouri trek. Or are you guys talking about another trek?
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I think that April would be a different kind of meeting and not THE gathering of all saints.

I will leave it at that.

I may be thinking that it is happening way sooner then it will, I did state it was speculation.
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Captain Moroni,

I have read somewhere that April 6th is the day for the conference at Adam-Ondi-Ahman. Nowhere does it say specifically that 2009 is the year. But I second your opinion based on years of bumping into prophecy on the topic.

I remember reading that Christ's returning to Adam-Ondi-Ahman would be after the commencement of the cleansing of America, done in secret from the view of the world and many Church members. Early on in the 7 year overlap of the Sixth and Seventh Seals spoken of in Revelations. The first 3 1/2 years is the conversion through cleansing of America to Zion. The second 3 1/2 years is the continuation of troubles in the old world.

If we get the prophesied cleansing before this coming April then I expect Christ's return to Adam-Ondi-Ahman to be in April. The key is the the timing of the Cleansing.

Lets suppose China and Russia bomb/invade by February, and combine that with natural disasters. It would be a shocker to the lazy and non-watchful LDS for sure.

Yes, I could envision April to be the month.

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I found this interesting:

Daniel and John each saw the opposition the little horn made against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This opposition will continue until the grand council is held at Adam-ondi-Ahman. This "little horn" (Dan. 7:20-22; Rev. 13) is making a renewed and determined effort today to destroy the Church. The Lord has decreed otherwise and while its power will last until Michael comes and the Son of Man receives his rightful place, this great power will endure. It must, however, fall, and according to the scriptures its end will come rather suddenly. (D. & C. 29:21; 1 Nephi 13:1-9; Rev. Chapters 17-18.) Joseph F. Smith, Church History and Modern Revelation, vol
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I agree naturelover. I have posted that Daniel scripture in chap 7 as well as Rev. 13 on here a couple of times with reference to the beast having power over the Saints until Adam-on-Ahman. Those who think that the righteous Saints are in for a cake walk are in for a big surprise.

Please consider the following scriptures: 2 Ne. 28:9-10; Morm. 8:27; Ether 8:22-25; D&C 87:6-7; Rev. 16:6; 17:6; 18:24.

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As the Saints prepare to meet their God, so those who are carnal and sensual and devilish prepare to face their doom.
As the meek among men make their calling and election sure, so those who worship the God of this world sink ever lower and lower into the depths of depravity and despair.
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We see evil forces everywhere uniting to destroy the family, to ridicule morality and decency, to glorify all that is lewd and base. We see wars and plagues and pestilence. Nations rise and fall. Blood and carnage and death are everywhere. Gadianton robbers fill the judgment seats in many nations. An evil power seeks to overthrow the freedom of all nations and countries. Satan reigns in the hearts of men; it is the great day of his power….
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IMO, AOA will occur after about Two years of refining and purification of the wise virgins who are living in the MW wilderness. Again, IMO the 3 1/2 year Tribulation started in Oct, 2008. That would put AOA in 2009-2010 probably in April as you'll suggested. After AOA, some of the wise virgins will trek to Jackson County where there will meet the saints from the Cities of Melchezedec and Enoch and complete the NJ in 6 months or less at which time the 3 1/2 year Judgements period begins. Also the 144,000 HIgh Priests will be selected at AOA and probably begin their special mission to Israel after the regular missionaries are called home and the Judgement period begun.

So, NO April, 2009 is only for the wise virgins.
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Captain Moroni wrote:IMO, AOA will occur after about Two years of refining and purification of the wise virgins who are living in the MW wilderness. Again, IMO the 3 1/2 year Tribulation started in Oct, 2008. That would put AOA in 2009-2010 probably in April as you'll suggested. After AOA, some of the wise virgins will trek to Jackson County where there will meet the saints from the Cities of Melchezedec and Enoch and complete the NJ in 6 months or less at which time the 3 1/2 year Judgements period begins. Also the 144,000 HIgh Priests will be selected at AOA and probably begin their special mission to Israel after the regular missionaries are called home and the Judgement period begun.

So, NO April, 2009 is only for the wise virgins.


I appreciate your refresher on how these things go together. I agree, you have a fine perspective on these things.

What is the city(s) of Melchizedek you mention, Salt Lake?

AOA will occur 2010 or 2011? Why not 2009?

I have always thought that AOA happens early on during the Tribulation Period. Why later on, as most LDS will be unaware?

I could walk to AOA, hope to be there when it all happens.

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Darren asked me:

What is the city(s) of Melchizedek you mention, Salt Lake?

Rememebr that like the City of Enoch, the city of M was also taken to heaven

AOA will occur 2010 or 2011? Why not 2009?

Not enough time left for 2009. Ihave assumed that the 3 1/2 year Tribulation period started Oct, 2008. Add 3 1/w years and you come up with the dates I've indicated. Hey rememebr IMO.

I have always thought that AOA happens early on during the Tribulation Period. Why later on, as most LDS will be unaware?

Perhgaps it will but it can't in my scenario. First the wise virgins must be in the MW wilderness getting pruified under the direction of Jesus, then some have to go to AOA where Christ truly becomes King of Kings. Jesus now literally needs a thrown so some from AOA and the two cities from heaven build the NJ in just six (?) months. Then the Judements start.
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Back a little bit to the topic of this thread. There is a lot of discussion if Missouri is a safe place to be or not. In other words, "will it be swept clean?" I think a more important issue than if a place is physically safe is "are we righteous?" President Packer made this comment at the recent GC, "It is my purpose to show that in troubled times the Lord has always prepared a safe way ahead. We live in those 'perilous times' which the Apostle Paul prophesied would come in the last days. If we are to be safe individually, as families, and secure as a church, it will be through “obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.”

The Lord has said that he would not spare any that remain in Babylon (see D&C 64:24.) So IMO you can be in a place safe from earthquakes and wars etc. but if you are't keeping the commandments then you've got some troubles ahead. Remember, in 1 Ne. 22 the Lord says at least two times, "the righteous need not fear."

I also like this quote from President Benson, "We will live in the midst of economic, political, and spiritual instability. When these signs are observed—unmistakable evidences that His coming is nigh—we need not be troubled, but "stand in holy places, and be not moved, until the day of the Lord come" (D&C 87:8). Holy men and women stand in holy places, and these holy places consist of our temples, our chapels, our homes, and stakes of Zion, which are, as the Lord declares, "for a defense, and for a refuge from the storm, and from wrath when it shall be poured out without mixture upon the whole earth" (D&C 115:6). We must heed the Lord's counsel to the Saints of this dispensation: "Prepare yourselves for the great day of the Lord" (D&C 133:10). (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 105.)

The Lord is going to bless those who are pure (either in this life or the next) and he is going to punish those who are worldly. Keeping the commandments is our safety more than the physical location we are in. Plus, if we are in a Stake of Zion and follow the counsel of our leaders and listen to the promptings of the Holy Ghost, there is a good chance we will have physical safety as well.
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Zion or bust, yes that knowledge that He will take of the righteous sustains me and allows me peace except from some on this forum 8)
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I learned the origin of the term "blue dog". The blue dog was a Southern Democrat who was originally a yellow dog. The yellow dog was fearful that he would be strangled by his more liberal Northern neighbors in the Democratic Party until he turned blue.
In the "Yellow Dog Prophecy", the yellow dog is a code word for a gentile.
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