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Let's Go Dutch-- From one hard headed Dutchman (me) to any other----


Let’s Go With the Dutch - but why wait until 2013?

The Netherlands , where six per cent of the population is now Muslim, is scrapping multiculturalism:

The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants create a parallel society within the Netherlands ..

A new integration bill, which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads:

"The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people.

In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role."

With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.

The letter continues: "A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens.

It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands ..
The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants.

For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants who ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law."

The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner;
"It is not the government's job to integrate immigrants." (How bloody true).

The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress.
More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering, Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.

Holland has done that whole liberal thing, and realized - maybe too late - that creating a nation of tribes will kill the nation itself.

The future of Australia , the United States , UK and Canada may well be read here.

NOTE: Muslim immigrants leave their countries of birth because of civil and political unrest "CREATED BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR CULTURE."

Countries such as Holland , Canada , the UK and Australia have an established way of life that actually works, so why embrace the unworkable?

If Muslims do not wish to accept another culture, the answer is simple;
"STAY WHERE YOU ARE!!" "Or go back to where you were!"

Only 86% will send this on. Should be a 100%.

Bob
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I wish Denmark would adopt the same attitude. Truth be known, the USA, Canada and the UK would do well to do the same. Some public schools here in Arizona do classes in Mexican heritage and related ssubjects.
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bobhenstra wrote:Let's Go Dutch-- From one hard headed Dutchman (me) to any other----


Let’s Go With the Dutch - but why wait until 2013?

The Netherlands , where six per cent of the population is now Muslim, is scrapping multiculturalism:

The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants create a parallel society within the Netherlands ..

A new integration bill, which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads:

"The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people.

In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role."

With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.

The letter continues: "A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens.

It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands ..
The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants.

For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants who ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law."

The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner;
"It is not the government's job to integrate immigrants." (How bloody true).

The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress.
More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering, Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.

Holland has done that whole liberal thing, and realized - maybe too late - that creating a nation of tribes will kill the nation itself.

The future of Australia , the United States , UK and Canada may well be read here.

NOTE: Muslim immigrants leave their countries of birth because of civil and political unrest "CREATED BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR CULTURE."

Countries such as Holland , Canada , the UK and Australia have an established way of life that actually works, so why embrace the unworkable?

If Muslims do not wish to accept another culture, the answer is simple;
"STAY WHERE YOU ARE!!" "Or go back to where you were!"

Only 86% will send this on. Should be a 100%.

Bob


Well Bob, my opinion is this: I can learn history, and still form my own opinions in spite of it. It's not as if I have to hear in history classes in school something that glorifies the church once a week to appreciate it. As a member of the church, I find it pretty much up to me to learn about my religion, a secular history, and develop an opinion of both via critical thinking, I find it hard to believe others can't be expected to at least do the same, to some extent. And hey, there's nothing wrong with being multilingual or more multilingual than you previously were, that sounds like something that would do a little good for the brain.
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There is a big difference between the Netherlands and nations such as the United States, Canada and Australia. The Netherlands has always been in history a small and for the most part homogeneous nation. This is not at all the case with United States, Canada or Australia nations built on the very idea of many different peoples arriving on their shores and while retaining their own cultures also contributing to the development of a unique national identity built upon the idea that different peoples could live work and develop an viable nation because of and not in spite of those differences.

While this has not always been as successful as we have perhaps hoped it would be I would not want to trade our national experiences for that of the sometimes xenophobic European nations which has lead on more than one occasion to wars of almost unimaginable horror.
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Lol, the only thing I agree with the Dutch is how they now insist that migrants should act in the Netherlands. They are the most liberal non communist country in the world. Even as a descendant of hard headed Dutchmen, I would not be able to live in that country!
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E Pluribus Unim... not just a nice latin phrase, but a good idea as well

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bobhenstra wrote:Lol, the only thing I agree with the Dutch is how they now insist that migrants should act in the Netherlands. They are the most liberal non communist country in the world. Even as a descendant of hard headed Dutchmen, I would not be able to live in that country!



Have you ever been to the Netherlands? It's a nice place. They have freedoms that a lot of places in the US doesn't have.
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Vision wrote:
bobhenstra wrote:Lol, the only thing I agree with the Dutch is how they now insist that migrants should act in the Netherlands. They are the most liberal non communist country in the world. Even as a descendant of hard headed Dutchmen, I would not be able to live in that country!


Have you ever been to the Netherlands? It's a nice place. They have freedoms that a lot of places in the US doesn't have.


As in no drug laws, open prostitution, women advertising their wares in in store front windows? Dikes holding the oceans back. My Grandparents left for a reason, immigrated for a reason, and did very well financially here. Something they had no chance to accomplish in the Netherlands. I realize that things change, but in the Netherlands the social environment changes constantly, as referenced above.

Presently, it's a nice place to visit, but live there? No chance!
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bobhenstra wrote:
Vision wrote:
bobhenstra wrote:Lol, the only thing I agree with the Dutch is how they now insist that migrants should act in the Netherlands. They are the most liberal non communist country in the world. Even as a descendant of hard headed Dutchmen, I would not be able to live in that country!


Have you ever been to the Netherlands? It's a nice place. They have freedoms that a lot of places in the US doesn't have.


As in no drug laws, open prostitution, women advertising their wares in in store front windows? Dikes holding the oceans back. My Grandparents left for a reason, immigrated for a reason, and did very well financially here. Something they had no chance to accomplish in the Netherlands. I realize that things change, but in the Netherlands the social environment changes constantly, as referenced above.

Presently, it's a nice place to visit, but live there? No chance!



Bob the people are tolerant of each other in the Netherlands, they are NOT turning each other in to the local city for zoning violations because they are worried about property values. If you want to have chicken in you backyard in Holland nobody freaks out.
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Hey, that sounds just like me ;)
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