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On another thread, OriginalIntent and I started a discussion of the prophecy of President George Albert Smith. I think this prophecy is worth considering. There are a few accounts out there, evidently. The following I rec'd recently by email from a member of our ward -- sorry I don't have much of a reference on it, but perhaps others can help with that. As with any statement not officially sanctioned by the Church, I think we should exercise prayer and caution when pondering this. It might have something of value to YOU as you ponder and pray, in the context of the scriptural canon.
My father was one of the three men who started the church’s “Road Show” drama program in the early years of the 20th century. Through that exposure to church leadership, he formed many lasting relationships which lasted all of his life. He eventually graduated from college with a masters degree, which is now equivalent to roughly PhD, and was widely used in the church’s building program, designing and building the first few church canneries. After his first wife died from what is just a minor medical problem these days, he went south to become the superintendent over the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) program that was started during the depression to provide a jobs program for the destitute out of work men who comprised over one third of the workforce. His gang built the Zion’s Park tunnels, and the bridge over the Virgin River between Hurricane and LaVerkin, UT, and then he left to work building projects for the church again. The canneries in Hurricane, Kanab, St George, and several others I will decline to mention in the interest of brevity. During his CCC days he married my mother and they began their family. I only bring this history here to AVOW because it lays the foundation for what subsequently happened.

After WW2, George Albert Smith was a regular visitor to our home in LaVerkin.
He always came with the church architects to have dad go over plans for this building or that one because dad was extremely good at looking at blueprints and envisioning spatially what was being built, thus being able to see right off hand what many architects could not, even with their education. He was able to see if the building could even be built as drawn, and if not, what changes were needed to make it buildable.

On one of these trips, President Smith drove down in the limited edition Lincoln Continental convertible Henry Ford had given to Heber J. Grant as president of the church. While he was there, dad and the architects were in heads over coattails discussing the plans of a proposed temple, and the discussion got so involved that George Albert was lost, and so he invited my oldest brother, who was then 11 going on 12 to go for a ride with him. During that ride, President Smith interviewed my brother and gave him quite a priesthood worthiness interview. He then got after him for being more interested in getting all of his friends in town to notice the fact that he was riding in a Lincoln Continental convertible with the top down, than he was in conversing with a living prophet of God.

At that point, President Smith quite abruptly stopped and turned in the seat so that he was facing my brother and related to him what sounds basically like the same vision that Brother David Horne related. Everything that my brother wrote down in his journal (which he didn’t have until he got home, and told mother what had happened, and she got him a journal and had him write down all that Pres. Smith had told him).

Every thing that he wrote down correlates except that there is no mention of a Greek anything in the version my brother recorded. After reading “Dreams and Visions” and reading that vision as related by Bro. Horne, I asked my brother specifically if Pres. Smith had said anything about a Greek president being the key event to watch for, and he tells me that nothing like that was mentioned. He just said that it would be a president of different extraction than the normal northern European ancestry that we had had up to that point.

However, Pres. Smith did tell him to look specifically for the day when the American Dollar was so worthless that no other country would allow payment in dollars, for that would signal the beginning of such a severe depression that only LDS people who had their food supplies and clothing supplies and whatever they needed for heat and to cook with would be able to survive. Then he stopped for a moment as though he was going inside himself, and then said that there would be other survivors, but they would only survive because they were the honest in heart whom the Lord would miraculously bring to the Saints to teach and nurture, and that their survival would be something truly spiritual to those of us who were prepared for the calamities that would befall the LDS people who were not prepared, and the unprepared LDS would be affected the worst and die the more agonizing deaths because they had been warned, and yet rejected those warnings.

1. Weapons would be taken from the populace (advised to have weapons and ammo stashed where it would be unobservable but which could be gotten to in a moments notice)

2. Russia would appear to fall from it’s mighty position, but that would only be a ruse, because they would continue to only grow stronger
because they would not have to support all of the poor countries they had taken over.

3. The US would give up it’s strategic power base, and become the scourge of the world because of the abuse of power they would leverage against all other lesser countries, and the other world powers would force the US to take their bombs out of Europe. (Doesn’t remember anything being said about whether bombs were nuclear or not)

4. Missiles would be hidden in grain silos – didn’t way anything about them being the buried silos we all know.

5. Nations would move huge battle tanks around to where they needed them on trucks that are bigger than any you have ever seen up till now (1949)

6. Then a terrible war would break out that would pit the powerful nations of the world against the US, and that the US would find out what it was like to have war waged in their backyards, and America would find out that WW2 had merely been a training exercise.

7. The worst time in the depression would look like a picnic in comparison.

He then reiterated to him that he needed to put away guns and ammo where it could not be confiscated so that he could protect his family until he could get them to one of the refuge’s that the Lord would provide his worthy Saints. After he got to the refuges he would not need those weapons, but that perhaps his children and grandchildren would to go fight for the constitution. He then quit talking, and refused to give any further clarifications.

After recording what he could remember, my brother felt like he had left something important out, and was concerned, so since Pres. Smith was still in residence, my brother went back to him and had him read what he had written. President Smith told him that he had all that needed to be recorded, and that he now felt he had overstepped his bounds in telling my brother all that he had, and prayed that the Lord would forgive him, and that my brother should only record and tell his family the elements that needed to be kept sacred in his journal.
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I had only ever heard the Horne version - this definitely changes things and adds to and clarifies the David Horne version. Thanks very much for posting!
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Future president could be.... a woman :-o

(Hilary Clinton)
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Interesting perspective on this prophecy given here:

Allow me now to venture into the realm of wild speculation, which seems permissible in an article about parallel universes. What if the vision of President Smith helped to change the course of the world in a way that prevented World War III from happening about 1980?

In 1980 Brezhnev was in power in Russia, having agressively expanded the Russian nuclear missile arsenal. We were going through a period of Russian appeasement by disarmament. There was much pressure to remove the Pershing 1 missiles, which had atomic warheads, from Europe. Our Minuteman missiles were in deep holes, which are indeed still called "silos." Also, it has since been found that Russia had plans to strategically place tanks around Europe by transporting them in large trucks. Michael Dukakis, of Greek extraction, had been elected governor of Massachusetts in 1974, and would later run for President against George Bush in 1988 on a strong platform of gun control. Thus, many of the points of the prophecy were bulls-eyes.


Michael Dukakis, of Greek extraction, ran for president.
But the rest of the prophecy was not fulfilled. Dukakis didn't even run for President until 1988, and when he did, he lost. Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980, and he strengthened our missiles in Europe by deploying the Pershing 2 missiles in 1984. Our guns have not been confiscated. Russia did not push the button to start a war, but there is evidence that they came close to it in 1983 because they were at the peak of their power, and they wanted to prevent us from upgrading the Pershing missiles.[5] Most importantly, World War III still has not commenced, nearly a quarter-century later.

Did President Smith do anything that might have helped to change world history? Since we are in the realm of speculation, here's one possibility. After World War I, strong reparations were put on Germany to punish them and it caused a huge amount of resentment. In a very oversimplified analysis, that resentment fomented until it produced a Hitler who retaliated with World War II. The Allies might well have followed a similar course of action after World War II which could have resulted in the World War III in the vision. After the war ended in 1945, acting President Smith sent the apostle Ezra Taft Benson to Europe in early 1946 to reopen the missions and to head up a huge war relief effort, for members on both sides of the conflict. The LDS Church provided many needed supplies to the war victims. Elder Benson induced the devastated saints in victorious countries to donate needed supplies to their enemies who had so violently abused them.[6] Thus, the Church set the example of forgiving ones enemies, which was nearly unheard of as a post war procedure. That example may have influenced the United States to follow suit with the Marshall Plan to reconstruct Europe in 1947.[7] Under that European Recovery Plan, 13 billion dollars was given to 16 European countries, with the most going to Great Britain, France, Italy, and Germany. Clearly Elder Benson's work was noticed nationally because he was called to be Pres. Eisenhower's Secretary of Agriculture from 1953-1960. Because Germany was not punished for the war, it is much more of a friend to us now. So it seems just possible that the vision of George Albert Smith might have led him to contribute, along with many others, to changing the course of history in a way that prevented that particular scenario for World War III. I believe the Dukakis was the Greek President who never was, and that it is now too late for that vision to be fulfilled. Of course, all the prophecies in scripture will still be fulfilled, and a different World War III is still very possible, but we would do well not to wait for a Greek President to be elected before obeying the living prophet's counsel to obtain a year's supply.
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That's very interesting Dr. Jones. I know you mentioned you didn't have much of a source, but can you at least confirm where you got the story, and who the person is that Pres. Smith was speaking to? I'm afraid a Google search of that text shows only your post here and nothing else. It is quite surprising that your post this morning appears to be the first time this story has ever been published on the internet.
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patriotsaint wrote:Interesting perspective on this prophecy given here:

Allow me now to venture into the realm of wild speculation, which seems permissible in an article about parallel universes. What if the vision of President Smith helped to change the course of the world in a way that prevented World War III from happening about 1980?

In 1980 Brezhnev was in power in Russia, having agressively expanded the Russian nuclear missile arsenal. We were going through a period of Russian appeasement by disarmament. There was much pressure to remove the Pershing 1 missiles, which had atomic warheads, from Europe. Our Minuteman missiles were in deep holes, which are indeed still called "silos." Also, it has since been found that Russia had plans to strategically place tanks around Europe by transporting them in large trucks. Michael Dukakis, of Greek extraction, had been elected governor of Massachusetts in 1974, and would later run for President against George Bush in 1988 on a strong platform of gun control. Thus, many of the points of the prophecy were bulls-eyes.


Michael Dukakis, of Greek extraction, ran for president.
But the rest of the prophecy was not fulfilled. Dukakis didn't even run for President until 1988, and when he did, he lost. Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980, and he strengthened our missiles in Europe by deploying the Pershing 2 missiles in 1984. Our guns have not been confiscated. Russia did not push the button to start a war, but there is evidence that they came close to it in 1983 because they were at the peak of their power, and they wanted to prevent us from upgrading the Pershing missiles.[5] Most importantly, World War III still has not commenced, nearly a quarter-century later.

Did President Smith do anything that might have helped to change world history? Since we are in the realm of speculation, here's one possibility. After World War I, strong reparations were put on Germany to punish them and it caused a huge amount of resentment. In a very oversimplified analysis, that resentment fomented until it produced a Hitler who retaliated with World War II. The Allies might well have followed a similar course of action after World War II which could have resulted in the World War III in the vision. After the war ended in 1945, acting President Smith sent the apostle Ezra Taft Benson to Europe in early 1946 to reopen the missions and to head up a huge war relief effort, for members on both sides of the conflict. The LDS Church provided many needed supplies to the war victims. Elder Benson induced the devastated saints in victorious countries to donate needed supplies to their enemies who had so violently abused them.[6] Thus, the Church set the example of forgiving ones enemies, which was nearly unheard of as a post war procedure. That example may have influenced the United States to follow suit with the Marshall Plan to reconstruct Europe in 1947.[7] Under that European Recovery Plan, 13 billion dollars was given to 16 European countries, with the most going to Great Britain, France, Italy, and Germany. Clearly Elder Benson's work was noticed nationally because he was called to be Pres. Eisenhower's Secretary of Agriculture from 1953-1960. Because Germany was not punished for the war, it is much more of a friend to us now. So it seems just possible that the vision of George Albert Smith might have led him to contribute, along with many others, to changing the course of history in a way that prevented that particular scenario for World War III. I believe the Dukakis was the Greek President who never was, and that it is now too late for that vision to be fulfilled. Of course, all the prophecies in scripture will still be fulfilled, and a different World War III is still very possible, but we would do well not to wait for a Greek President to be elected before obeying the living prophet's counsel to obtain a year's supply.



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Wow! thanks for posting that again! So... the weapons part...any advice? :-?
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highfive wrote:Wow! thanks for posting that again! So... the weapons part...any advice? :-?



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patriotsaint wrote:Interesting perspective on this prophecy given here:

Allow me now to venture into the realm of wild speculation, which seems permissible in an article about parallel universes. What if the vision of President Smith helped to change the course of the world in a way that prevented World War III from happening about 1980?

In 1980 Brezhnev was in power in Russia, having agressively expanded the Russian nuclear missile arsenal. We were going through a period of Russian appeasement by disarmament. There was much pressure to remove the Pershing 1 missiles, which had atomic warheads, from Europe. Our Minuteman missiles were in deep holes, which are indeed still called "silos." Also, it has since been found that Russia had plans to strategically place tanks around Europe by transporting them in large trucks. Michael Dukakis, of Greek extraction, had been elected governor of Massachusetts in 1974, and would later run for President against George Bush in 1988 on a strong platform of gun control. Thus, many of the points of the prophecy were bulls-eyes.


Michael Dukakis, of Greek extraction, ran for president.
But the rest of the prophecy was not fulfilled. Dukakis didn't even run for President until 1988, and when he did, he lost. Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980, and he strengthened our missiles in Europe by deploying the Pershing 2 missiles in 1984. Our guns have not been confiscated. Russia did not push the button to start a war, but there is evidence that they came close to it in 1983 because they were at the peak of their power, and they wanted to prevent us from upgrading the Pershing missiles.[5] Most importantly, World War III still has not commenced, nearly a quarter-century later.

Did President Smith do anything that might have helped to change world history? Since we are in the realm of speculation, here's one possibility. After World War I, strong reparations were put on Germany to punish them and it caused a huge amount of resentment. In a very oversimplified analysis, that resentment fomented until it produced a Hitler who retaliated with World War II. The Allies might well have followed a similar course of action after World War II which could have resulted in the World War III in the vision. After the war ended in 1945, acting President Smith sent the apostle Ezra Taft Benson to Europe in early 1946 to reopen the missions and to head up a huge war relief effort, for members on both sides of the conflict. The LDS Church provided many needed supplies to the war victims. Elder Benson induced the devastated saints in victorious countries to donate needed supplies to their enemies who had so violently abused them.[6] Thus, the Church set the example of forgiving ones enemies, which was nearly unheard of as a post war procedure. That example may have influenced the United States to follow suit with the Marshall Plan to reconstruct Europe in 1947.[7] Under that European Recovery Plan, 13 billion dollars was given to 16 European countries, with the most going to Great Britain, France, Italy, and Germany. Clearly Elder Benson's work was noticed nationally because he was called to be Pres. Eisenhower's Secretary of Agriculture from 1953-1960. Because Germany was not punished for the war, it is much more of a friend to us now. So it seems just possible that the vision of George Albert Smith might have led him to contribute, along with many others, to changing the course of history in a way that prevented that particular scenario for World War III. I believe the Dukakis was the Greek President who never was, and that it is now too late for that vision to be fulfilled. Of course, all the prophecies in scripture will still be fulfilled, and a different World War III is still very possible, but we would do well not to wait for a Greek President to be elected before obeying the living prophet's counsel to obtain a year's supply.

I had seen that before, but most people who've studied the prophecy, and even confirmed with the original author, have come to the conclusion that the phrase "greek extraction" may not have been part of the original prophecy. The second witness prophecy given by Dr. Jones above confirms this (assuming it is legit).
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True it may not have been part of the original prophecy, but it seems like a random element to add in if it wasn't. I mean really, if you were doctoring a prophecy would pick greek out of all the pedigrees in the world? Who knows, maybe the greek part was added by someone in an attempt to discredit President Smith?
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patriotsaint wrote:True it may not have been part of the original prophecy, but it seems like a random element to add in if it wasn't. I mean really, if you were doctoring a prophecy would pick greek out of all the pedigrees in the world? Who knows, maybe the greek part was added by someone in an attempt to discredit President Smith?

Hard to tell. I can actually see him saying in sort of an offhand way, but more in speculation rather than revelation. Maybe something like: "And he will not be of northern european descent; I don't know, maybe he'll be greek or something anyway, as I was saying..."
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True. I actually like thinking of the prophecy in broader terms personally. If that particular piece of the prophecy is in reality, not that specific, it will get less attention and we can avoid interpreting it in a context that is too narrow.
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Regarding the "Greek" bit, and keeping in mind that in both cases these were younger boys recording what they recalled after speaking with President Smith, I don't hang onto every word but consider that the words and ideas may have merit.

I could see how the impression of "Greek" could be linked with Obama when Obama accepted the nomination to run for the Democrats at the convention in Denver. There was a bit of commentary at the time about all the Greek columns.

If you've forgotten about it, go to Google Images and type in Obama Denver Greek columns. You'll get plenty of hits.
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The email I referred to was from Dan Lambson in our ward, and cites a source at the AVOW forum (which is a membership-only forum).

I could not find the statement yet at the AVOW forum and tire of searching... there is a lot written on this prophecy. This was interesting from Jake in Clinton, Utah (last name not given):
Ok so I just talked with my dad, and today he made a personal phone call to David Horne, the author of the statement that claims that the Nuclear War would start during the administration of a "Greek" president. What Brother Horne said was shocking: the Greek president part of the transcript was false. He said that was what he remembered, but when he ran it by his older brother, who was also present during the prophecy, he said that was not correct. He then went on do say that the word that Pres. Smith used to describe this president was different, that both him and his brother remembered it, and that he would not release it.


Still second or third hand -- perhaps someone will give a phone call to David Horne??
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I was talking to Joel Skousen about what he thought would happen, and he brought up the GA Smith prophecy, and mentioned that Hugh Nibley's mother was present at the time President Smith broadly hinted in a conference talk what he had seen in vision or a dream. As I recall, she recounted that Pres. Smith at one point was just standing there and repeating over and over again how people were going to die like flies.

I don't recall whether Joel heard this directly from Hugh's mother or second hand. It suggests the idea that Joel may have confirmation one way or the other about the involvement of a Greek President in all this. Maybe Hugh's mother had a more direct conversation with President Smith about his visionary experience after he gave his talk. Just a thought.
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1)I suspect anything that is attached to AVOW. 2)This is a rumor. 3) I wouldn't put much if any stock in this.
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My grandfather on my mother's side of the family owned a barbershop at the West end of Ogden's notorious 25th Street, just across from Union (railroad) Station. He had two chairs and a shoe shine stand in his shop.

During the depression and WW2 he hired other barbers to help with the many GI's who come into his shop for a haircut, shave and shoeshine. Most of the men grandpa hired to shine shoes were black, growing up, I don't remember one of them not being black, I thought I remembered two different black barbers in his shop, but Grampa corrected me, only one who later shaved his head bald.

Grampa B. was a kind soul, he was always careful to not offend, and he always referred to his black help as "Greeks," it seemed to be a common expression in my family as a whole, I never thought much about it-- The term Greek was used to avoid the other terms often used for black people by bigoted whites.

Spending part of my youth in Washington Terrace I had black friends, and I never once considered myself, nor my family as racist.

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Wow. I mean wow!!!!. I have been aware of several LDS End Times prophesies such as from Milton Musser, Sarah Hoffman, John Taylor, and Charles D. Evans, but can't believe I never had read this one before.

Let me just say, that my reaction to this vision is such because I just so happens that David H. Horne is one of my father's very good friends. Looking back, I have to confess, that this man has had a huge impact on my life, and I never really interacted with him very often because we lived in different wards.

At the age of 10, Bro. Horne tutored me at my house and prepped me to become HAM Radio certified. I have been involved in Amateur Radio off and on ever since. As part of being involved with Amateur Radio, I used to attend all sorts of Disaster Preparedness seminars (many prepared by Bro. Horne). At a very young age I think I knew way too much about EMP's and Nuclear Fallout. In my filing cabinet is how-to guide on managing a nuclear fallout shelter which is next to a Geiger counter and several dosimeters. I am even the Emergency Preparedness Specialist in my current ward.

Thank you for relaying this prophecy of George A. Smith. My whole life, I just could never figure out what made Bro. Horne tick. This experience explains a lot.
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bobhenstra wrote:My grandfather on my mother's side of the family owned a barbershop at the West end of Ogden's notorious 25th Street, just across from Union (railroad) Station. He had two chairs and a shoe shine stand in his shop.

During the depression and WW2 he hired other barbers to help with the many GI's who come into his shop for a haircut, shave and shoeshine. Most of the men grandpa hired to shine shoes were black, growing up, I don't remember one of them not being black, I thought I remembered two different black barbers in his shop, but Grampa corrected me, only one who later shaved his head bald.

Grampa B. was a kind soul, he was always careful to not offend, and he always referred to his black help as "Greeks," it seemed to be a common expression in my family as a whole, I never thought much about it-- The term Greek was used to avoid the other terms often used for black people by bigoted whites.

Spending part of my youth in Washington Terrace I had black friends, and I never once considered myself, nor my family as racist.

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Hey! I was born in Ogden and lived in Washington Terrace until I was 10! :-o
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I just called my parents, and told them about this story. Turns out they had known the story from early on.

One comment I will make about this vision, and its recollection and retelling; and that has to do with the stockpiling of weapons. Bro. Horne had always been a very avid stockpiler of weapons and ammunition. I will not go into detail on this, but I was interested in the part of the vision that talked about weapon confiscation. It seems clear that Pres Smith prophesied weapons confiscation (and we are now seeing FEMA practicing door-to-door confiscations). I think it is less clear if Pres Smith said any about "hiding weapons so that we can protect our families until we can get to the places of refuge". I am saying for sure one way or another. I don't know. Memory and projection and recall are interesting psychological factors at play in these instances.

What I can say is that Bro. Horne was a very avid stockpiler of weapons and ammo and there was an unfortunate accident and his home burned down. It has since been rebuilt much more beautiful than ever before. But, I have always had mixed feelings on the weapons issue and I wondered if this part of the vision was authentic or the the result of projected thoughts by an impressionable 12-year-old mind.
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I really am interested in this End-Times prophecy because it the only one that gives clues with regard to timing.

The info with regard to a Greek (black?) President and an election and the innauguration must mean that a new President is elected and that the attack occurs before that new President is put in power. Maybe is that President was not Globalist Controlled, the enemy would feel like they had to attack before a new President with a new agenda could properly strengthen and defend America.

If President Obama loses this next election in 2012, then an attack after election day and before inauguration during the holidays, would fit with the 2012 Mayan Calandar myth. I say this not that I think the Maya predicted anything but because the Globalists played the sane game in the 1930's saying the Egyptian Pyramids were predicting the Great Depression. The Great Depression did occur, but only because it was carefully engineered. The same game is being played with regard to 2012 possibly.
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bobhenstra wrote:My grandfather on my mother's side of the family owned a barbershop at the West end of Ogden's notorious 25th Street, just across from Union (railroad) Station. He had two chairs and a shoe shine stand in his shop.

During the depression and WW2 he hired other barbers to help with the many GI's who come into his shop for a haircut, shave and shoeshine. Most of the men grandpa hired to shine shoes were black, growing up, I don't remember one of them not being black, I thought I remembered two different black barbers in his shop, but Grampa corrected me, only one who later shaved his head bald.

Grampa B. was a kind soul, he was always careful to not offend, and he always referred to his black help as "Greeks," it seemed to be a common expression in my family as a whole, I never thought much about it-- The term Greek was used to avoid the other terms often used for black people by bigoted whites.

Spending part of my youth in Washington Terrace I had black friends, and I never once considered myself, nor my family as racist.

Bob


Hey! I was born in Ogden and lived in Washington Terrace until I was 10! :-o


Left WT there at the age of 11 in 1953. Address was E-44 Army way, phone number on a seven party line was 2529

Davedan, get some guns and ammo! Your family's protection is your responsibility, you'll remember their screams-- No different than being baptized, your responsibility!

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I believe it is important for Americans to exercize their 2nd Ammendment Rights. Use them or lose them, as they say. However, there is difference between that and planning for Zombie Apocalypse.

Vaughn J. Featherstone, “Food Storage,” Ensign, May 1976, 116
"Now what about those who would plunder and break in and take that which we have stored for our families’ needs? Don’t give this one more idle thought."

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For behold, I do not require at their hands to fight the battles of Zion; for, as I said in a former commandment, even so will I fulfil—I will fight your battles.
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I could not find the statement yet at the AVOW forum and tire of searching... there is a lot written on this prophecy. This was interesting from Jake in Clinton, Utah (last name not given):

Ok so I just talked with my dad, and today he made a personal phone call to David Horne, the author of the statement that claims that the Nuclear War would start during the administration of a "Greek" president. What Brother Horne said was shocking: the Greek president part of the transcript was false. He said that was what he remembered, but when he ran it by his older brother, who was also present during the prophecy, he said that was not correct. He then went on do say that the word that Pres. Smith used to describe this president was different, that both him and his brother remembered it, and that he would not release it.



Still second or third hand -- perhaps someone will give a phone call to David Horne??


I know the dad of this Jake in Clinton. We worked side by side for more than a dozen years. He never lied or fabricated anything. We talked about end time prophecies all the time. He is a highly intelligent man with a lot of integrity. He told me he called Horne and asked him about the Greek president. Horne's reply to Jake's dad is exactly how it was related it to me. Horne's brother did not agree with the Greek part, but the part about the president not being of european descent was right. Horne stressed that. My understanding is the same as was mentioned earlier in this thread by someone, that just before this president (BO) leaves office, he starts a big war. I think you place this in the gee-whiz-maybe file in your mind and wait and see.
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You know, I agree this prophecy is a far cry from canon, but it is one that I have watched for the signs to be fulfilled. And it just showed me AGAIN how careful we have to be about what we think we know, as opposed to really know.

For instance, I had always read the prophecy as stating that everything bad would happen at the election of the person of "greek" extraction. So I was kind of semi expecting something to happen late 2008/early 2009, and I was kind of questioning the validity of the prophecy because it stated that all previous presidents would be of northern European or British descent. (and I was wondering how Barry could qualify.) But now on careful re-reading, I see that the "Greek" is actually the president at the time - so it is when he gets replaced, not when he gets elected.

Makes me almost hope he gets re-elected to a second term. Almost.

It also makes me believe he won't be re-elected.
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Thanks haddomr -- several witnesses then that the meaning is that of a POTUS "not of European origin" -- which fits the current POTUS.

Davedan -- thanks for your input regarding Brother Horne also!

O_I -- where in the account do you derive this from pls "

But now on careful re-reading, I see that the "Greek" is actually the president at the time - so it is when he gets replaced, not when he gets elected.


High time to get that food storage, and as Bob re-emphasizes, guns and ammo...
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I'm sorry Dr. J - I am not sure I understand what part of what I said you were wanting clariffication on. If you are talking about the election vs. the replacement, that was me just inrpreting into what was written down as opposed to what was actually recorded. In other words, bad assumptions on my part, that over time I felt were part of the prophecy but were not.

If it is something else, let me know and I will try to clarify. Things certainly lining up with 2012 being the big year for the enemy.
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Yes, I agree with Original_Intent it seems the critical time is after the election but before the inauguration of the newly elected POTUS. That must mean that the "Greek" POTUS who is still POTUS during this time must have lost the election and the strike occurs before the new POTUS takes power (is inaugurated). That would put this event between Early Nov 2012 and Jan 20 2013. "A holiday" could possibly have been "the Holidays".

Another interesting detail is the one about the US Dollar being worthless and not accepted by foreign countries. This is already beginning to occur because of devaluation. This point on the devaluation of the US Dollar could fit together with the prophecy attributed to Joseph Smith recorded by Milton Musser on the "Second Great Rebellion."
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davedan wrote:Yes, I agree with Original_Intent it seems the critical time is after the election but before the inauguration of the newly elected POTUS. That must mean that the "Greek" POTUS who is still POTUS during this time must have lost the election and the strike occurs before the new POTUS takes power (is inaugurated). That would put this event between Nov 2012 and Feb 2013.



See, O_I and davedan, I don't know where you're getting this time "after the election but before the inauguration of the newly elected POTUS" -- that is, I can't find the source for this timing.

Certainly, one would not procrastinate preparations until 2012 -- 2011 looks like a rough year already, IMO. "Better a year too early than a day too late..." regarding food and other preparations.
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Dr. Jones. I am sorry for not listing a citation, you need to look at Bro. Horne's 1988 letter:

http://gods-wr.ath.cx/1/index.php/dream ... bert-smith

"Shortly after World War II ended, President George Albert Smith had a vision of another great and terrible war which would yet take place. He said it would be so bad that it would make World War II look like a "training exercise." It would involve many of the countries of the world, including Germany, Hungary, Israel, Turkey, the United States and the Soviet Union.

Thousands of tanks would be transported in huge trucks so they would be in place where they were needed when the war began.

The United States would have missiles in Europe which carried an atomic bomb. However, the United States would be committed to many far-reaching alliances and would withdraw its missiles to satisfy the Soviet Union. Then the war would begin and people would "die like flies". The military power of the Soviet Union at this time would be much greater than the United States.
He said the United States would take away the weapons of the people. They would have their missiles in big holes in the ground, which he described as being like grain silos. The Soviets would send their own missiles to try to destroy them, as well as U.S. military bases and cities. They would also send in ground troops. President Smith indicated that this attack would take place on a holiday after the Presidential election, but before the official inauguration. He said that the President at this time would be of Greek ancestry.

President Smith said that the conditions after the war would be "dreadful" and would make the worst times of the depression seem "like a Sunday School picnic" in comparison.

(See statements by David Hughes Horne dated Oct. 28, 1988)


Yes, I agree that we shouldn't wait until 2012 to prepare. According the the Milton Musser letter, the Second Great Rebellion likely precedes this attack which is supposed to begin in Chicago over the issue of the "depreciation of the currency of the United States."
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