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A Remarkable Prophecy By President John Taylor As Told by Edward Lunt, An Ordinance Worker in the Mesa Temple

The following incident occurred at my father's home in Cedar City, at the time a stake conference was being held in that city, at which President John Taylor and George A. Smith were present.

Apostle Smith was asked to conduct the conference, as President Taylor wished to rest after his having held meetings in the different wards and stakes between Salt Lake City and Cedar City. President Taylor asked Elder George A. Smith to start the conference, as he wished to rest until the afternoon meeting. President Taylor, with some of the authorities, was staying at the home of my parents during this conference.

President Taylor wished to go to his room and lie down. He asked my mother to awaken him in time for the afternoon conference, as he feared he might oversleep and thus fail to arrive at the conference in time.
My mother was busy preparing dinner for the visitors but was surprised to see President Taylor come into the kitchen so soon after retiring for his much needed rest. He immediately started telling mother of a most remarkable vision that he had just had while in his room.

He stated that he saw that Salt Lake City would become a great city with many beautiful paved roads and streets of cement construction, and that the people had become wealthy. He saw that the city extended almost to the point of the mountain south of the new 1951 State prison.

The people, he saw, had become quite indifferent to the counsel and advice of the authorities of the church, and were more interested in the accumulation of wealth than they were in living their religion. He told mother that he saw that war had been started, and that so great was the destruction of life within the city that blood ran down the gutters as though it were streams of water, and the violence was such that it would cause the destruction of the beautiful city. The people were fighting among themselves until it became necessary to remove the church records across the Colorado river.

President Taylor said to mother, "If you are alive at that time, be sure that you are not behind the Church records, because after the Church records leave and are made secure, the very powers of hell would be turned loose, and there will be such destruction that there will be but little life remain, ---not only in Salt Lake City, but in adjoining cities also. And in Jackson County, Missouri civilization will become entirely extinct, and all means of transportation such as rail roads and highways will be destroyed, and the only means of travel will be on foot.

All means of manufacturing will also be entirely destroyed. Be sure when you see these things come that you have buttons, needles, cloth and things to work with as much as possible, to make yourselves clothing, because all tools and every kind of machinery will be destroyed. It will be such a destructive war that in comparison to the sufferings and the drivings of the people of Nauvoo, it would be only a drop in the bucket.

"One half of the Mormon people will entirely forsake their leaders, and half of the other half, because of their suffering, will leave the church. Many Mormons will die in the struggle, but the Lord will bless those who stick faithfully to the church and will bless them to the extent that they will not be destroyed."

He said that faithful Latter-day Saints would go to the south and would form a circle something like a horseshoe, before they return to Jackson County, Missouri. Said he, "Those only will be privileged to help build Jackson County who will be found willing and glad to obey the counsel and advice of the authorities who will be placed over them, and who will seek counsel that they may be guided and protected from dire want and distress.

President Taylor also said that we will assist the Lamanites in building the New Jerusalem in Jackson county. He said that the vision to him appeared so terrible that he besought the Lord to close it up, but he saw that those who would keep the commandments and adhere to the authorities of the church would be the ones who would survive and not be destroyed. And that the lord would protect them as he did the children of Israel.

The above experience my mother told to me many, many times; and she held this great experience very sacred.

Subscribed and sworn to this 28th day of June, 1951.

/s/Edward Lunt
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Interesting, it has been awhile since I've heard this one come up. There was an old BYU studies article the mentioned this. In that article IIRC they cited a First Presidency letter warning that the Horseshoe Prophecy wasn't to be trusted, and that members shouldn't allow themselves to be led around by rumors.

I think the article dealt more broadly with Mormon Urban Legends/Folklore generally and was pretty good. I'll see if I can dig it up.
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everything that is not yet future has come true in it.

Not sure what te records of the Church part meant. I didn't understand what it was saying there.

Sounds a lot like other verifiable prophecies as well.
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Mahonri wrote:everything that is not yet future has come true in it.

Not sure what te records of the Church part meant. I didn't understand what it was saying there.

Sounds a lot like other verifiable prophecies as well.

I still haven't had time to dig up the article. A couple extra points though:

- Part of the controversy at the time had to do with a particular version of this that was floating around that had some pretty divisive racial statements.

- This Prophecy was only recorded in the 1950's, even though it was reported to have been said in the 1880's.

I promise I'll dig around for this when I get home to provide some context for what I'm citing (hopefully with a reasonable degree of accuracy).
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There tends to be a "don't believe it because it's not verifiable" claim to much of this stuff. I wouldn't live my life by it, but the Holy Ghost can help someone know if such and such prophecy is true and they do provide a reference frame is studied along side of verifiable and canonized claims.
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Hyrcanus wrote:
- Part of the controversy at the time had to do with a particular version of this that was floating around that had some pretty divisive racial statements.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

oh man that is funny.
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Hyrcanus wrote:
Mahonri wrote:everything that is not yet future has come true in it.

Not sure what te records of the Church part meant. I didn't understand what it was saying there.

Sounds a lot like other verifiable prophecies as well.

I still haven't had time to dig up the article. A couple extra points though:

- Part of the controversy at the time had to do with a particular version of this that was floating around that had some pretty divisive racial statements.

- This Prophecy was only recorded in the 1950's, even though it was reported to have been said in the 1880's.

I promise I'll dig around for this when I get home to provide some context for what I'm citing (hopefully with a reasonable degree of accuracy).


Ok, I found it:

http://byustudies.byu.edu/showTitle.aspx?title=5265
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that was pretty tame stuff
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Mahonri wrote:that was pretty tame stuff

Heh, it is BYU Studies ;)
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Mahonri wrote:that was pretty tame stuff

Heh, it is BYU Studies ;)



You know one of the Deans of Religion at BYU (I will keep names anonymous) actually told me and I quote "the Book of Isaiah is only a history book, all of which has happened already."

So would that statement be considered "folklore" by the BYU studies definition? :lol: :wink:
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serenitylala wrote:
Hyrcanus wrote:
Mahonri wrote:that was pretty tame stuff

Heh, it is BYU Studies ;)



You know one of the Deans of Religion at BYU (I will keep names anonymous) actually told me and I quote "the Book of Isaiah is only a history book, all of which has happened already."

So would that statement be considered "folklore" by the BYU studies definition? :lol: :wink:

:shock: :roll:

BYU is so dangerous. It leads so many LDS astray because so many assume if it is at a Church school, it might as well be in the D&C. Same as Deseret Book. :cry:
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Mahonri wrote: :shock: :roll:

BYU is so dangerous. It leads so many LDS astray because so many assume if it is at a Church school, it might as well be in the D&C. Same as Deseret Book. :cry:

To be fair, that is largely of problem of the poor critical thinking skills of the members following individuals instead of the Lord. I've never attended BYU, but I don't blame the institution for wacky members involved in it.
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Hyrcanus wrote:
Mahonri wrote: :shock: :roll:

BYU is so dangerous. It leads so many LDS astray because so many assume if it is at a Church school, it might as well be in the D&C. Same as Deseret Book. :cry:

To be fair, that is largely of problem of the poor critical thinking skills of the members following individuals instead of the Lord. I've never attended BYU, but I don't blame the institution for wacky members involved in it.


Oh, believe me, I don't blame the Lord. This is all on the wacky members that work there. (a personal friend that I grew up with is a professor there :wink: )
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Mullenite wrote:The Horseshoe Prophecy

A Remarkable Prophecy By President John Taylor As Told by Edward Lunt, An Ordinance Worker in the Mesa Temple

The following incident occurred at my father's home in Cedar City, at the time a stake conference was being held in that city, at which President John Taylor and George A. Smith were present.

Apostle Smith was asked to conduct the conference, as President Taylor wished to rest after his having held meetings in the different wards and stakes between Salt Lake City and Cedar City. President Taylor asked Elder George A. Smith to start the conference, as he wished to rest until the afternoon meeting. President Taylor, with some of the authorities, was staying at the home of my parents during this conference.

President Taylor wished to go to his room and lie down. He asked my mother to awaken him in time for the afternoon conference, as he feared he might oversleep and thus fail to arrive at the conference in time.
My mother was busy preparing dinner for the visitors but was surprised to see President Taylor come into the kitchen so soon after retiring for his much needed rest. He immediately started telling mother of a most remarkable vision that he had just had while in his room.

He stated that he saw that Salt Lake City would become a great city with many beautiful paved roads and streets of cement construction, and that the people had become wealthy. He saw that the city extended almost to the point of the mountain south of the new 1951 State prison.

The people, he saw, had become quite indifferent to the counsel and advice of the authorities of the church, and were more interested in the accumulation of wealth than they were in living their religion. He told mother that he saw that war had been started, and that so great was the destruction of life within the city that blood ran down the gutters as though it were streams of water, and the violence was such that it would cause the destruction of the beautiful city. The people were fighting among themselves until it became necessary to remove the church records across the Colorado river.

President Taylor said to mother, "If you are alive at that time, be sure that you are not behind the Church records, because after the Church records leave and are made secure, the very powers of hell would be turned loose, and there will be such destruction that there will be but little life remain, ---not only in Salt Lake City, but in adjoining cities also. And in Jackson County, Missouri civilization will become entirely extinct, and all means of transportation such as rail roads and highways will be destroyed, and the only means of travel will be on foot.

All means of manufacturing will also be entirely destroyed. Be sure when you see these things come that you have buttons, needles, cloth and things to work with as much as possible, to make yourselves clothing, because all tools and every kind of machinery will be destroyed. It will be such a destructive war that in comparison to the sufferings and the drivings of the people of Nauvoo, it would be only a drop in the bucket.

"One half of the Mormon people will entirely forsake their leaders, and half of the other half, because of their suffering, will leave the church. Many Mormons will die in the struggle, but the Lord will bless those who stick faithfully to the church and will bless them to the extent that they will not be destroyed."

He said that faithful Latter-day Saints would go to the south and would form a circle something like a horseshoe, before they return to Jackson County, Missouri. Said he, "Those only will be privileged to help build Jackson County who will be found willing and glad to obey the counsel and advice of the authorities who will be placed over them, and who will seek counsel that they may be guided and protected from dire want and distress.

President Taylor also said that we will assist the Lamanites in building the New Jerusalem in Jackson county. He said that the vision to him appeared so terrible that he besought the Lord to close it up, but he saw that those who would keep the commandments and adhere to the authorities of the church would be the ones who would survive and not be destroyed. And that the lord would protect them as he did the children of Israel.

The above experience my mother told to me many, many times; and she held this great experience very sacred.

Subscribed and sworn to this 28th day of June, 1951.

/s/Edward Lunt


The more I read this, the more it seems to be coming to fruition.
Many here are leaving The Faith.
Many find fault with The Brethren.

The borders are no longer secure, it's as easy as walking into a Walmart, actually easier than walking into a Walmart.
You see w Walmart you have to exchange hellos w a greeter, people from Mexico can cross easily into the USA without talking to anyone.

So, I'm watching and seeing as things unfold, trying not to find fault w The Brethren or Church policies, loving people around me and even the loneliest stranger, but mostly my Savior who enables me.

Do thou likewise.

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I've lived in SLC, Lehi and Provo, although I was born and raised in WA state. Graduated from BYU, too, as well as all of my four siblings. Heck, my grandfather used to teach there.

Now, I'm not overly qualified to judge. In fact not qualified at all. But I will say what I experienced in SLC and Lehi, as to members who seek wealth above all else, kinda blew my mind. I expected a sanctified and holy people, but what I experienced was an abundance of pyramid schemes and "wealth advisors" who used the teachings of the church to convince other members that it was the Mormons' fate to be extremely wealthy. Better still, they knew the path to wealth and for a modest fee they would teach and sell you all you needed to become one of the wise and wealthy whom the Lord had chosen.

I'm paraphrasing only slightly.

I came away convinced that the church is true, but that there is a different culture practiced by the members in Utah valley and the SLC area that quite differed from anything I experienced growing up. It repelled me then, such that I chose to move, and I feel a bit sad now whenever I think of the deceptions taking place there. "Philosophies of men...."

Southern Utah may be entirely different, I don't know. But if they practice the gospel and live godly lives, I would be happy to join them. As for up north, I could understand why if the Lord decided it needed a cleansing prior to His coming.
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I saw a lot of people riding mountain bikes the other day would they work do get around if things got bad ?
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OCDMOM wrote:I saw a lot of people riding mountain bikes the other day would they work do get around if things got bad ?


Only if the bike is easily convertible into a canoe, from what I hear.....
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iWriteStuff wrote:I've lived in SLC, Lehi and Provo, although I was born and raised in WA state. Graduated from BYU, too, as well as all of my four siblings. Heck, my grandfather used to teach there.

Now, I'm not overly qualified to judge. In fact not qualified at all. But I will say what I experienced in SLC and Lehi, as to members who seek wealth above all else, kinda blew my mind. I expected a sanctified and holy people, but what I experienced was an abundance of pyramid schemes and "wealth advisors" who used the teachings of the church to convince other members that it was the Mormons' fate to be extremely wealthy. Better still, they knew the path to wealth and for a modest fee they would teach and sell you all you needed to become one of the wise and wealthy whom the Lord had chosen.

I'm paraphrasing only slightly.

I came away convinced that the church is true, but that there is a different culture practiced by the members in Utah valley and the SLC area that quite differed from anything I experienced growing up. It repelled me then, such that I chose to move, and I feel a bit sad now whenever I think of the deceptions taking place there. "Philosophies of men...."

Southern Utah may be entirely different, I don't know. But if they practice the gospel and live godly lives, I would be happy to join them. As for up north, I could understand why if the Lord decided it needed a cleansing prior to His coming.



Your post pretty much sums up my experience of living in the Salt Lake/ Provo area. I only lasted 2.5 years before moving on. I couldn't take it any longer. I have never seen a group of people-- that should know better--- conduct themselves in such a poor manner.

I can't say I was really all that surprised though. I grew up in an area of the country that was a hot bed for LDS tourism. Unfortunately, the arrogance of the members--mostly from Utah-- was amazing and did a lot of damage to the hearts and minds of the non-members in the area. Even the members of my ward hated it when summer rolled around and the "righteous" families from out west would grace our meetings.

I will say though, my brother lives in Southern Utah and it seems to be quite different than the areas I lived in up North.
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