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Hey- does anyone here know how much a seminary teacher makes these days? I wanted to find out but can't seem to get much info.

Can anyone help me out?

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Not enough. They don't get paid anymore than a regular teacher does and here in Utah, the average teacher salary is about $30,000. :lol: The church doesn't pay all that well either, so I would imagine it's even less than that.

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When a friend of mine started teaching Seminary (about 15 years ago) he said Seminary teachers actually got paid more than school teachers. Don't know how much more, or if that's still the case.

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I found an anti-Mormon website :lol: that says about $37,500 per year. That seems really low, how could you live on that (if true).

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Mosby wrote:Hey- does anyone here know how much a seminary teacher makes these days? I wanted to find out but can't seem to get much info.
$35/month :wink:

Source: "In August 1935, following an interview with then-LDS Church President Heber J. Grant and his counselors, Hinckley was asked, at age 25, to serve as executive secretary and sole employee of the newly formed Church Radio, Publicity and Mission Literature Committee under Stephen L. Richards."

"The position included a monthly salary of $65, which Hinckley augmented by working as an LDS seminary teacher for an additional $35 a month."

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$35 a month in 1935 would probably buy more than $3500.00 today :lol:

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You might be right. Utah's average teacher pay is $37,400, perhaps a seminar teacher salary is similar to the average school teacher salary?

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Col. Flagg wrote:Not enough. They don't get paid anymore than a regular teacher does and here in Utah, the average teacher salary is about $30,000. :lol: The church doesn't pay all that well either, so I would imagine it's even less than that.
Starting (1st year fresh out of school) is $28k to $32k.......thus the average is well above $30k. You only get that average if you plug in all the part-timers and teachers aides.....and the reality is nearly all of the teachers since they have couple months off every year....not taking into account vacation/sick days/personal days/etc....are part-timers who are paid very well for what they do!!!

http://www.utahsright.com/salaries.php? ... pe=&page=1

Ahh so there's the real number....and I'd bet a nickel to a dollar that average takes into account all the teacher's aides and other support staff that makes $12k to $20k a year!

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LDSConservative wrote:You might be right. Utah's average teacher pay is $37,400, perhaps a seminar teacher salary is similar to the average school teacher salary?
Seminary teacher's that I had all made 10 to 15% more than school teachers.

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Man that "Utah's right to know" website is really interesting. $68,000 to teach shop? $66k to teach "keyboarding".......$134k ( washington county) for the superintendent?
$108k for "Human resources"?

GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK - WHY ARE WE PAYING THESE LOOTERS SO MUCH TO MAKE OUR KIDS STOOPID?

LOOTERS- EACH AND EVERYONE

All this and two+ months off a year - which really takes their salry up more- and all the "holidays"

Oh ....but wait......it's only taxpayer money, and after all it's for the CHILDREN.


Excuse me while I go and vomit.....

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Mosby wrote:Man that "Utah's right to know" website is really interesting. $68,000 to teach shop? $66k to teach "keyboarding".......$134k ( washington county) for the superintendent?
$108k for "Human resources"?

GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK - WHY ARE WE PAYING THESE LOOTERS SO MUCH TO MAKE OUR KIDS STOOPID?

LOOTERS- EACH AND EVERYONE

All this and two+ months off a year - which really takes their salry up more- and all the "holidays"

Oh ....but wait......it's only taxpayer money, and after all it's for the CHILDREN.


Excuse me while I go and vomit.....
These absurd and ridiculous salaries are exactly why school districts are short on money every year. $70K to teach shop class?????? :lol: :lol: :lol: These salaries are a shock to me... go to the Alpine School District's website and look at all the available jobs (teaching and non-teaching)... the pay is anywhere from $7.50-$16.00 per hour.

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Mosby wrote:Man that "Utah's right to know" website is really interesting. $68,000 to teach shop? $66k to teach "keyboarding".......$134k ( washington county) for the superintendent?
$108k for "Human resources"?

GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK - WHY ARE WE PAYING THESE LOOTERS SO MUCH TO MAKE OUR KIDS STOOPID?

LOOTERS- EACH AND EVERYONE

All this and two+ months off a year - which really takes their salry up more- and all the "holidays"

Oh ....but wait......it's only taxpayer money, and after all it's for the CHILDREN.


Excuse me while I go and vomit.....
LOL.....yeah that website is awesome! Brings a whole new light to the teacher pay equation doesn't it.....

My daughter's 1st grade teacher was getting $36+ an hour but she was only part-time (1/2 days) so the total salary looks low on the RightToKnow website....which doesn't tell the full story. And that's with 4 weeks vacation, 2 weeks sick, 2 weeks personal days, and summers off! So basically she was making $28k a year with a Master's degree....which looks pretty pitiful until you take into account the fact that she's only working 4 hrs a day for 7 months out of the year (if she uses all her paid vacation/sick/personal).

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I currently have two kids in public school and two that are home schooled. I know several of these teachers making $65k per year -you know what they do for all that fat money?

NOTHING -my daughter complains that all the teacher does is show videos and have them "take notes" from a powerpoint. She laughs at how dumb and boring her teacher is -(this is a 7th grader who is reading on a college level and very bright (homeschooling :wink: )

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Mosby wrote:I currently have two kids in public school and two that are home schooled. I know several of these teachers making $65k per year -you know what they do for all that fat money?

NOTHING -my daughter complains that all the teacher does is show videos and have them "take notes" from a powerpoint. She laughs at how dumb and boring her teacher is -(this is a 7th grader who is reading on a college level and very bright (homeschooling :wink: )
Oh they'll get active and vibrant when the pay stops rolling in....

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Mosby wrote:Man that "Utah's right to know" website is really interesting. $68,000 to teach shop? $66k to teach "keyboarding".......$134k ( washington county) for the superintendent?
$108k for "Human resources"?

GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK - WHY ARE WE PAYING THESE LOOTERS SO MUCH TO MAKE OUR KIDS STOOPID?

LOOTERS- EACH AND EVERYONE

All this and two+ months off a year - which really takes their salry up more- and all the "holidays"

Oh ....but wait......it's only taxpayer money, and after all it's for the CHILDREN.


Excuse me while I go and vomit.....
If your so worried about your kids being made stoopid why don't you do something about it? Like attend a school board meeting and let your views be heard, hold the people at the top accountable to you...as a tax payer...

Teachers have a "checklist" of things they must teach everyday. Every teacher I know(and I know a lot because my husband is a teacher) HATES the public education system. But their hands are tied. Things can only change when parents get involved and demand changes be made...instead of just complaining about it.

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If your so worried about your kids being made stoopid why don't you do something about it?

I'm not worried about my kids being stupid, that's why we homeschool them- two of them chose to enter into the public school system this year (one in a charter, one in public)- I'm speaking of the over all picture of stoopid kids- which is the case.


Like attend a school board meeting and let your views be heard, hold the people at the top accountable to you...as a tax payer...

Been there, done that (the gadiantons are very well financed and entrenched)- currently helping a friend run for school board. Accountable to the taxpayer? :lol: :lol: :lol: - nice thought but not a reality in America- especially when fighting the education system and the UEA/NEA.


Teachers have a "checklist" of things they must teach everyday. Every teacher I know(and I know a lot because my husband is a teacher) HATES the public education system. But their hands are tied.

Ok - so I get it, I'm supposed to change things from the outside - but those teachers on the inside aren't?
You know why your husband's "hands are tied"? Two reasons: Because he and all other teachers are too scared to "buck the system" (if they did things would be different)- and they are all slaves to the NEA (where their wonderful benefits come from)[/
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Things can only change when parents get involved and demand changes be made...instead of just complaining about it.



So reese, I didn't start this thread to attack anyone at all, I know that there are many dedicated, honest, good people teaching school. However I would advise a little restraint in your comments directed towards me.

You aren't talking to a "chronic complainer" here, I have spent thousands of hours and dollars in the education of my children- note here of MY OWN MONEY - educate my own children.

I (my wife mainly) have done this because the educational system is a FREAKING joke, my wife - who has no college education at all has taught all of my children at some time or another - and no one ever paid her $66,000 thousand dollars a year to do it!!!

And guess what? my two that are in public school? Both 4.0 students, one is ranked #1 in her class- both are bored with school and want to return to homeschool next year.

So - don't try and go "Sean Hannity" on me with that tired old " why don't you do something other than complain" routine- I have, I am , and will continue to fight the Socialism and Marxism that folks like are husband are "forced" to teach every day of my life.

What are you and your husband currently doing about the education system?

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So reese, I didn't start this thread to attack anyone at all, I know that there are many dedicated, honest, good people teaching school. However I would advise a little restraint in your comments directed towards me. Sorry, your right I shouldn't attack you personally. I just know SO many people who say the same things and are willing to do nothing about it.

You aren't talking to a "chronic complainer" here, I have spent thousands of hours and dollars in the education of my children- note here of MY OWN MONEY - educate my own children.

I (my wife mainly) have done this because the educational system is a FREAKING joke, my wife - who has no college education at all has taught all of my children at some time or another - and no one ever paid her $66,000 thousand dollars a year to do it!!!Curious here, what do you think a teacher should be payed? I mean the profession does require a 4 year college degree. They make much less than most 4 year college degree jobs I know of. Or do you think being a teacher should not require any extra schooling?

And guess what? my two that are in public school? Both 4.0 students, one is ranked #1 in her class- both are bored with school and want to return to homeschool next year.I've got two of my own in the same boat, but they won't be home schooled next year :wink: .

So - don't try and go "Sean Hannity" on me with that tired old " why don't you do something other than complain" routine- I have, I am , and will continue to fight the Socialism and Marxism that folks like are husband are "forced" to teach every day of my life.Unfortunately it is a losing battle really. It won't change for the same reason that any of our social problems won't change. Because we as a society for the most part are very wicked. My husband bucks this system as much as he can without putting his job in jeopardy.
Here is one example. He is required to have his class read a very "low level" book. The program then has a list of questions that he is to use to discuss the book with the kids. If the kids ask any questions that are not on the list or start to stray from the discussion plan then the instructions tell the teacher that they must stop the questions and direct the discussion back to the format. The books are stupid "story" books. The questions are something like..."How would you like to get a new party dress?" "What are your favorite games to play at a party?" My husband does the book section because he has too. However when they learn about nazi Germany for example he asks questions like... "what would you do if something like this happened here? Do you think something like this could happen here? You may have to make a choice in your lives very similar to this because of such and such that is happening now." He teaches a lot of things that would probably get him in trouble. But I will tell you what the kids adore him.

Yes your are right, most teachers are too afraid to buck the system. My husband has said in faculty and school board meetings many times, that he would gladly take a reduction in pay if the state would boot the federal gov. out of education. Most people just draw a blank when he says that. And he refuses to be a member of NEA.

I should not have jumped on your case. I agree with most everything you post. I supose I reacted because I know people who say things like this all the time. These people also stood in line for hours to get Sarah Palin to sign her book for them. They also think that Nephi's Great and Abominable Church is the religion of Islam ( :lol: yes, really!) I just have no patience for that kind of foolishness.

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I was a high school math teacher and I was only paid $28,000 the first year and then it went up about $2,000 a year after that for experience. I worked hard for that salary. I also paid dues to the OEA just out of fear of a lawsuit. My husband is an attorney but would be worthless in an education lawsuit. The union promises a paid education attorney in the event that you are sued. If I go back to teaching after my kids are in school I will not pay union dues, knowing what I know now.

We asked my seminary teacher about his salary and he said it was based on degrees. He had a Bachelors degree in drama and was paid I think $30,000 but was working on a masters because the masters degree would increase it to $70,000 (It might have been $50,000 but I really think it was $70,000). If you had a Ph.D then you could teach institute. This was 12 or more years ago.

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A seminary does start out at around 40,000

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Nobody gets paid for that where I live. Could you homeschool seminary? And what is priestcraft, and why does seminary not fit into that category? Up here its a "calling".

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Our teacher taught released time in a church dedicated seminary building across the street from the high school. I heard a couple of years ago that they have now split the class schedule up between two women who were issued callings to fill it. I don't know if they are paid or not. I think they are but the not the salary the full time teacher had. Come to think of it, the church also provided a home for the seminary teachers to live in as well across the street from the church. I don't know if it was to cut back on spending or because it is difficult to get people to move to such a small farming community that they switched to members teaching the classes.

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ithink wrote:Nobody gets paid for that where I live. Could you homeschool seminary? And what is priestcraft, and why does seminary not fit into that category? Up here its a "calling".
Anyone who thinks being paid to be a seminary teacher is priestcraft (not saying you do) doesn't understand what priestcraft is. A while back I did some research, so I could have a more definitive answer in my mind regarding what is and isn't priestcraft. It has much more to do with the intention, than any money involved: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... =14&t=7131

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Mosby wrote:
I (my wife mainly) have done this because the educational system is a FREAKING joke, my wife - who has no college education at all has taught all of my children at some time or another - and no one ever paid her $66,000 thousand dollars a year to do it!!!
Oh she gets paid. I don't get a paycheck from homeschooling my monsters, but I am paid. I got to watch every moment of my older son learning how to read, and I'm witnessing my four year old learning now. While other mothers spend time shopping/reading/relaxing and such while their children are in school all day I am busy, but when my kids have questions I get to be the one to answer them - in context. We get to take breaks from school to bake cookies, go visiting teaching, or grocery shopping. We get to be together all day (sometimes this isn't a plus, haha). We get to integrate the gospel into every subject. We get to take school to the park on a whim. We get to have school on a road trip. We get to cater our school to our interests and take rabbit trails as things come up in life. We get evenings free (no homework!) to be together as a family. Our pay is priceless, but I sure wouldn't complain if someone decided to give me a tax break for the money we spend to educate our kidlets. It's a small pittance compared to what the public schools cost.

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Interestingly Mosby, I just checked a homeschooling blog after responding here and read this message. Sorry that it's a bit of a detour from the point of this thread, but it fit so nicely with the point I was trying to make, I had to post it. Send it on to your wifey.
Having it All
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I should give you an introduction. My name is Courtney and this is my first article for Latter-Day Homeschooling. I feel so privileged to be included with this inspiring group of women.

With that formality out of the way; there is something that I feel is essential that you know about me in order for us to be friends. Once upon a time, I was a perfect mom. It's true. And it was actually quite easy. But evidently hypothetical children are different from actual children. So it all came to a screeching halt when my first child was born.

When I was a child, like most of you, I dreamed about what I would be when I grew up. I vacillated between wanting to be a doctor, a vet, an artist, a writer, a concert pianist... I forgot those dreams as I grew and started to develop my talents and other interests. I wanted to be a singer, an author, a poet, a rock star, a professional runner and join the peace corps. I eventually let those dreams go as well.

Elder Bradley D Foster said in this last conference "By divine design, nurturing seems to be part of the spiritual heritage given to women. I've seen it in my daughters, and now I see it in my granddaughters - even before they could walk, they wanted to carry and care for their little baby dolls."


I see it in my daughters too. I also see it to a certain extent in my son, but the treatment he gives to his toys could never be confused with the tenderness that my girls give to their baby dolls.

I admit I was one of those girls as well. The one dream I had never let go of was the desire to have a temple marriage and a family. But there are also so many things that I wanted to do that I knew I couldn't do as a mother, especially a mother of small children.

Not too long ago, I went through sort of an early mid-life crisis. One of the many, many dreams I had had as a child was to sing on Broadway. But my parents didn't support that choice and I settled for a path that would more easily allow me to fulfill my roll as a mother in the long run.

After my third child was born, I found myself looking back at my life with regret. Not with the things that I done, but with those things that I hadn't. I was plagued with "what if's" and "if only's". I felt like I had been cheated out of my lifelong dreams and I was always looking for a way to redeem it. I even tried out for American Idol. I had the opportunity to participate in my first play. I had a big part and took my nursing son to six grueling weeks of rehearsals. I was so excited and I knew that even though I might never be on broadway, I could still be a small town star. I had a lot of fun and my childhood dreams of singing again fought it's way to the forefront of my mind. But it was really hard on my family. So I resolved not to do another play until our children were grown. With sadness I put that dream back up on a high shelf to collect dust; knowing full well that I might never pick it up again.

I tried to "find myself" in other ways but as with anything in life, the more time you dedicate to something, the less you have for other, and in my case, more important things.

I was still unhappy and regretful. One day, as I was wallowing in self-pity the Lord told me in no uncertain terms that the reason I was unsatisfied with my life wasn't because I had dreams that I couldn't fulfill, but because I wasn't realizing and taking advantage of the countless and incredible benefits that motherhood has to offer. Since then my outlook has completely changed. In short, I am one of the most selfish and lazy people that I know and it took an intervention from the Lord to show me that my priorities were way out of order and that was why I was dissatisfied.

Sister Beck said in the last BYU Women's Conference that "Women are like a lioness at the gate of a home... Nothing important happens in the home unless the lioness cares about it and makes it a priority... When our priorities are out of order, we loose our power."

That is exactly what happened! After a massive priority shift I have realized that the releasing of my dreams has been a very freeing and powerful experience. And in doing so, I have discovered that I haven't let them go after all. And I certainly hadn't settled.

I grew up hearing about how "women can have it all" only to hear as an adult, that those who tried, found it was impossible. I guess now the new saying is that you can have it all, you just can't have it all at the same time. I must strongly disagree. Women can have it all, and at the same time. I certainly do. But it is because I am a mother, not in spite of it.

Satan has done a wonderful job at attacking the root of the family. He has convinced countless women that being a stay at home mom is second class and a waste. I see the looks they give. They look at me with pity when I walk through the grocery store with my three kids in tow and pregnant on top of it all. They speak to me like a "poor little brainwashed girl" who is too simple and uneducated to do anything else. They don't realize that I was fully aware of my options and potential when I chose to stay home with my kids. To those women who turn up their noses at me, I defiantly say that mother's are the only women who can have it all!

I spent years of my life wasting my time thinking that I needed others to validate me in order to be successful. Once I woke up, I realized that what I care most about is that my husband and children know that they are the most important things to me. Not money, not a standing ovation and not even a pat on the back.

One of my favorite talks this General Conference was Sister Beck's. She said "A good woman knows that she does not have enough time, energy or opportunity to take care of all of the people or do all of the worthy things her heart yearns to do. Life is not calm for most women, and each day seems to require the accomplishment of a million things, most of which are important. A good woman must constantly resist alluring and deceptive messages from many sources telling her that she is entitled to more time away from her responsibilities and that she deserves a life of greater ease and independence. But with personal revelation, she can prioritize correctly and navigate this life confidently."

Every time I read a book to my children, I am an actress. Every time I sing them to sleep, I'm a singer. When I blast music while we clean the house, we are all dancers! I'm an artist every time I get out the paints of crayons. I'm the world's greatest doctor, who can heal anything with a kiss and a hug. I'm a therapist when they come to me in tears. I'm an accountant every time I balance the checkbook. I'm a chef when I'm in the kitchen. I'm a maid, manager, technician and computer geek. Electrician, nutritionist, horticulturist, photographer, movie screener and critic. I'm a builder, economist, a politician, a professional complement giver, the "it's not fair" police and a drill sergeant.

Within my little family I have fulfilled every dream I have ever had and more! And since I have added homeschooling to my list, I'm finding a whole new set of dreams that I am so excited to follow with my kids. I get to be a scientist, a mathematician, theologian, botanist, zoologist, literacy specialist and historian. I get to read great literature with them and be a scholar. With the help of this blog, I'm now a writer. I can do anything my heart desires because I am a mother!

Elder Maxwell said "When the real history of mankind is fully disclosed, will it feature the echoes of gunfire or the shaping sound of lullabies? The great armistices made by military men or the peacemaking of women in homes and in neighborhoods? Will what happened in cradles and kitchens prove to be more controlling that what happened in congresses?... You rock a sobbing child without wondering if today's world is passing you by, because you know you hold tomorrow tightly in your arms."

I don't get paid with money. The currency in my home is much more valuable. They pay me with smiles and hugs. Kisses and "I love you's". Last week my five-year-old told me that I was the best mother that any kid could ever have. I know that's not true, but the fact that she felt it means the world to me. Nothing is worth trading that. I am a mother. The woman who has it all!

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Great reply Chelc, I will show it to my wife and it will make her day! :wink:

I hear you on the value of seeing your children read, my 11 year old has struggled with reading for the last few years - my wife is about at her wits ends (all the others are great readers).....but recently he has stumbled onto a series of books ("chose your own adventure", and the "Beast Quest" series) and now he sits and reads them for hours and reads them to his 8 year old brother!!!

It's a beautiful thing, because we were begining to think the poor boy would never learn to read!!!!!!

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