Avraham Gileadi?

[cayennecaptain of 100]

how many here are familiar with his work? I have been reading a little, and it sounds really interesting! I know the last days book i have was forewarded by Hugh Nibley.

[ryanjenny1997captain of 100]

excellent information. He understands things about birthright, right of firstborn, etc. Very good reads.

[pjbrowniecaptain of 1,000]

He has an online Isaiah that he has interpreted. I used it to study Isaiah.

http://www.isaiahexplained.com/isaiah_ch_1.html

[cayennecaptain of 100]

Thankyou so much pjbrownie. I looked at the link and it is wonderful. I will be doing some reading

[pjbrowniecaptain of 1,000]

Read the online LDS KJV because you need to understand the footnotes that Elder McConkie injected, but used Gileadi as a futher reference, because often the Hebrew was mistranslated into Renaissance English. The NIV is also helpful. The more you study them in concert, as well as the geography of the places mentioned and their historical implications (I just used Google and Wiki for most of this), Isaiah will come alive and you will understand why it is mentioned five times in the Book of Mormon and the Savior himself commanded us in 3rd Nephi to study his words.

[grudencaptain of 1,000]

Thanks, pj. I was actually hoping to have this in book form. This will definitely do for the meantime.

[MahonriMaster]

He was actually excommunicated, but has since rejoined the Church. I am not saying his book is good or bad, I am just saying be careful in who you share information with from his book.

[josephcaptain of 100]

He is speaking in June down in Provo. I hope to be able to attend.

http://www.templestudy.com/

[josephcaptain of 100]

Sorry, the exact link:
http://www.templestudy.com/2008/06/17/john-gee-june-19-and-avraham-gileadi-june-26/comment-page-1/#comment-3694

[grudencaptain of 1,000]

Wish I could be there. Take lots of notes and post them please!

[cayennecaptain of 100]

avraham is awesome, Hugh nibley agreed. Anyone that says be careful with his work I feel is questioning hugh nibley as well. The leaders have used hugh numerous times, so to question avraham, is to question hugh which is to question our leaders. His excommunication was simply him being caught up in a frenzy, it was him being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[grudencaptain of 1,000]

He was actually excommunicated, but has since rejoined the Church. I am not saying his book is good or bad, I am just saying be careful in who you share information with from his book.

If you search through the archives here you'll find some of the inside scoop on what went down. Politicians aren't the only ones capable of bearing false witness...

[cayennecaptain of 100]

thx gruden, ya it is necessary to know what really happened for some who want to throw away him and his work because of what happened.

[Kurtcaptain of 100]

He was actually excommunicated, but has since rejoined the Church. I am not saying his book is good or bad, I am just saying be careful in who you share information with from his book.

If you search through the archives here you'll find some of the inside scoop on what went down. Politicians aren't the only ones capable of bearing false witness...

Hey, do you have the link, I am interested in reading this..

[Nancaptain of 1,000]

My parents know him and his family well. He was excommunicated for a reason. He wasn't lied about or have anyone bear false witness about him. I do give him Kudos for coming back and working out the issues. He is a good man. But all good men can do things that aren't right or be led astray. That is why we are supposed to be so careful.

[pritchet1captain of 1,000]

The fact that he came back into full fellowship should speak volumes. He is not an ex-convict. He repented and he was accepted again. His work on understanding Isaiah is "good stuff".

He is not Hugh Nibley. He does not speak for the general authorities of the church. He does provide perspective from the Jewish point of view, regarding the restored gospel.

[pjbrowniecaptain of 1,000]

What was he excommunicated for specifically?

[ready2preparecaptain of 1,000]

Avraham Gileadi has never spoken publicly about the reasons for his
excommunication, was never asked to retract any publications or
statements, and has returned to full fellowship in the Church.

Speculation abounds, of course, because he was one of the so-called
"September Six" who were disciplined by the Church in 1993.

At the time this happened there was quite a bit more going on than
was mentioned in the press. A close female associate of mine who
was in one of Brother Gileadi's study groups talked a lot about
prophecy and a "Latter Day David" who was supposedly Avraham
Gileadi's son. She (and I believe many others) got excommunicated
during this same time period for reasons which I personally know
but feel not to disclose. She has since returned to full fellowship in
the Church.

Hope this sheds some light on the subject without overstepping the
bounds of discretion.

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

[Nancaptain of 1,000]

I too would never talk about why he was excommunicated. It really is between him and the Lord. I would want the same discretion if it was me. I have edited it to say that I fully respect him and honor him for returning.

[MercynGracecaptain of 100]

The fact that he came back into full fellowship should speak volumes. He is not an ex-convict. He repented and he was accepted again. His work on understanding Isaiah is "good stuff".

He is not Hugh Nibley. He does not speak for the general authorities of the church. He does provide perspective from the Jewish point of view, regarding the restored gospel.

Pritchett, I hope you aren't suggesting that an ex-convict who repents and comes back into full fellowship shouldn't be accepted again?

[2BFreecaptain of 100]

I first met Avrahim Gileadi in 1981 at BYU when he came to our ward and gave a fireside on his life and conversion. I have all his books, even both editions of his "Last Days" from Deseret Book and Covenant (yes they are different). His "Book of Isaiah" is a fantastic help to anyone who wonders why Nephi and Mormon chose to quote Isaiah so much in the Book of Mormon. He has helped me so much to understand the book of Isaiah and how he saw our day and gives us a true understanding of the Lord's plan for the latter day senariio being played out now. I recently went to a 10 week seminar he put on in Provo about Isaiah and the Book of Mormon and was fed even more light and knowledge. He analyzed Alma 13 and some very thought provoking passages there about a "preparatory redemption" and what this means in the eternal scheme. He has a truly unique perspective of the Jewish view of the scriptures and especially the Book of Isaiah since he was almost accepted into the Jewish faith as a Rabii but chose to come to Utah and join the Church and pursue his PhD in Ancisnt Studies with Hugh Nibley. If you can get a hold of his "Last Days" book the second essay is fascinating I recommend his work to everyone on this forum. BTW he was thte ony one of the September Six that humbled himself and returned to the Church. I could go on and on but I wouldn't be able to scratch the surface how deep the information he provide is. Thanks for posting this thread.

[grudencaptain of 1,000]

Wish I could be there. Take lots of notes and post them please!

So... anyone got notes?

And thanks, Sharon, for making that appropriately clear. I didn't realize he was one of the 'September Six', although it looks like they lumped him in with the others simply because because he's a scholar.

[pritchet1captain of 1,000]

No, he got lumped in for issues related to what the other 5 were doing. Remember, he repented. My former boss was involved and he did not.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Actually there were several others who were ex'd and sadly there were false rumors that some very good people who were not involved, but were scholars had also been ex'd. I know two of the latter, one now dead.

The one now dead was so angry he quit attending church, which made it look like he had indeed been ex'd. He wouldn't return until the person responsible for the false rumor was subjected to church discipline. The person who bore false witness then stopped attending church, he died inactive. After his death, his wife who had also become inactive out of embarrassment returned to church and related her views of how the whole thing happened. If the accuser and the victim had done nothing more then swallow a bit of pride, got together and discussed it, most likely everything would have been fine. Instead, a whole ward become somewhat divided. A bishop who was unable to solve the problem ask to be released and was. Then they had a hard time finding someone to replace that bishop. The victim eventually returned to attending church until he died, but would not accept a calling.

My second friend just laughed it off, two weeks later it was announced that he was being called to be a special instructor in the Jordan River Temple. There were a couple of very embarrassed people in the meeting that day. They apologized, he forgave them and everything about him was forgotten, in "that" ward and stake. Unfortunately, to this day this good man still hears rumors off his supposed past excommunication. He told me a few years back that it's starting to get pretty old, he's getting tired of hearing it.

Mans inhumanity to man, even in the true church! These are the only two cases I know of like this, and I understand to be human and err isn't divine, it's to be expected, but at this level?

Being able to forgive and accept forgiveness is divine!

Bob

[pritchet1captain of 1,000]

May we quote you? Great line!

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Robert, you asking me? Of course, just hit the quote button

Bob

[jsmanningHi, I'm new.]

Does anyone know....

My understanding is that Nephi saw our last days and was about to write about it but was told that John was going to do that for our day.
Nephi then put Isaiah in the Book of Morman...just to cover the ground....

Has anyone made comparrisons between Isaiah and John the Revelators writtings?

[liberty_bellecaptain of 100]

Well, I have all of his books, I have listened intently to his verse by verse commentary online and I agree whole heartedly that he is an amazing man. I dont care what the reasons are of his excommunication...I have felt the Spirit so strong as I have read and listened to him, that anything that he "may" have done is nothing to me. Whatever "it" was he has paid the price for, not only in his excommunication but also by the nonstop gossip, speculation and the forever...."be careful of him...he was excommunicated" lingo.

Just an thought, do you think that in his excommunication he could have learned things that shed further light on the things that he had already taught and knew? Do you think that maybe in his repentence and suffering he has a deeper insight into how satan can grip us....

His humility is in every word on every page....this good brother has been fully accepted back into the church for many years, has continued to instruct without incident...I think you can trust that what he has to teach you has value.

I wish that I could attend a class...darn those miles that seperate UT from AZ

[FreedomWorkscaptain of 10]

Here's Avraham's side of the excommunication story:
http://avrahamgileaditestimony.blogspot.com/

I have had some dealings with Avraham professionally and find him to be a fine man and very well-intentioned.
Also, using his methodology, I overcame that natural fear we have of reading Isaiah, which I appreciate.

[karend77captain of 100]

His humility is in every word on every page....this good brother has been fully accepted back into the church for many years, has continued to instruct without incident...I think you can trust that what he has to teach you has value.

He is a member of our stake and truer words cannot be said. He is quiet, humble and unassuming. His only desire is to educate others to understand the scriptures. Many wish he would speak up more during sunday school classes. The teachers have said sometimes it is intimidating knowing he is sitting there , and this is said only out of pure respect for his great understanding.