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Melissa wrote:Answer this question:
Why have apostles stated, "do you have the faith to not be healed"?
Why have faith to not be healed? No sense asking for a blessing with this attitude. A better question is: "do you have the faith to be healed?" Makes more sense, does it not?
Melissa wrote:You stated that a depressed individual is in sin and needs to repent. The state of depression has many factors, more than stating one needs to have some humility. Have you ever been depressed?

Funny you'd ask. Yes, I have been depressed, sometimes severely, and have been for nearly fifty years. I've taken meds for it for about twenty five years, so it don't slam me to the ground. To summarize, during the time I was not on meds I would go home from work, have dinner and later sit on the floor in front of the television, rest my back against the couch, and stay there all night with the TV still on, then shower and go back to work. I did this routine for weeks on end. Is that depressed enough for you?

All the while my grievous sins kept stacking up and taunting me. I got to where I loathed myself. I became angry all the time, hard to live with and was a miserable, disgusting human being. My sins still kept stacking up against me. It was so bad that I wanted to die and be banished to a place where I would never, ever have to face God. I didn't trust Bishops around where I lived so I felt stuck between a rock and a hard place.

One day I got on my knees and begged God to help me, I felt like my life should come to an end. Then came the news that I was being transferred out of state by my employer. I went through a divorce and lost my family...and drove alone to my next home.

I drank some, swore like a banshee and said to heck with life. My sins, many, many kept stacking up against me.

Then one day as I was driving around I saw a chapel near where I lived. I researched and got the phone number for the bishop there. My intention was to go in and ask for my name to be removed from the records of the church, I had no hope of redemption. My sins tormented my whole inside.

Long story short, this is where I went through a horrific and difficult repentance process because the bishop saw right through me and with sternness and care he helped me to rid myself of all my sins. Does anyone know how difficult it is to confess terrible sins going back decades to someone you don't even know? I came very close to excommunication, but due to the fact I went and confessed on my own, the Bishop helped me over a period of a long time until I was able to receive a temple recommend. So I went from near suicide to complete peace and joy in my bosom. The account of Alma in chap 36, vs 9-23, describes my feelings and emotions almost to the tee. My sins were now all gone and I yearned to see Christ. I'm not perfect yet I repent and hope for a better world as told us in scripture. Ether 12:4
Melissa wrote: Have you ever experienced PTSD?
Yes, ever since Vietnam, 68,69 time frame. On meds for that too. PTSD is not fun and doesn't do any good for depression.
Melissa wrote:So a woman abused as a child grows up to have some issues needs to repent for something she didn't do?
Never said anything about someone having been abused being guilty of sin. You are putting words in my mouth and saying a orated them. Not cool! The sin is on the guilty party not the recipient of evil acts. Let's keep quotes in their proper context, shall we?
Melissa wrote:I feel that you lend to the scriptures as a pedestal for your own benefit. I'm glad you have a strict adherence to the gospel, that is a good thing. But do you know how truly compassionate the Father is?
You can answer this question by what I have already said above. He helped a wretch like me and I am forever grateful.
Melissa wrote:Do you know that Love is a governing force in life and in the eternities? We must understand humans and we must understand the gospel and who Christ is.
Nothing wrong with this. :ymsigh:

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Melissa wrote:It's honorable that you want to talk to your bishop. I don't believe that is necessary and you may well end up regretting it. Not everything needs to be said to the bishop. If you have it under control then why talk to him? You don't want him to always be asking you how that issue is going in your life all through your youth.

Only you know what to do and what is going on. If your parents find out it could be embarrassing but as a parent myself, I assume my son will do this at some point. If he didn't I might worry about his development. So try not to be afraid of your parents. Your dad won't care and your mom might be uncomfortable/adjusting to her boy growing up...nothing more than that.
From an LDS perspective this is horrible advise. Listen go the Spirit if it tells you to go to the Bishop, don't walk RUN.

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Rachael wrote:You post scriptures all the live long day, but I doubt you'll find anything specific on masturbation. Unless you mingle it with the doctrine of men.
This is because I never attended the "hair splitting convention" geared to teach people to tweak scripture so it just doesn't quite spell out specifics, and to rule out all others because they don't contain a certain word. Just a good way to justify sin. If a word does not exist in scripture describing a sin it must be okay to do that sin. I know how this works, Rachael.

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freedomforall wrote:
Melissa wrote:Answer this question:
Why have apostles stated, "do you have the faith to not be healed"?
Why have faith to not be healed? No sense asking for a blessing with this attitude. A better question is: "do you have the faith to be healed?" Makes more sense, does it not?
Melissa wrote:You stated that a depressed individual is in sin and needs to repent. The state of depression has many factors, more than stating one needs to have some humility. Have you ever been depressed?

Funny you'd ask. Yes, I have been depressed, sometimes severely, and have been for nearly fifty years. I've taken meds for it for about twenty five years, so it don't slam me to the ground. To summarize, during the time I was not on meds I would go home from work, have dinner and later sit on the floor in front of the television, rest my back against the couch, and stay there all night with the TV still on, then shower and go back to work. I did this routine for weeks on end. Is that depressed enough for you?

All the while my grievous sins kept stacking up and taunting me. I got to where I loathed myself. I became angry all the time, hard to live with and was a miserable, disgusting human being. My sins still kept stacking up against me. It was so bad that I wanted to die and be banished to a place where I would never, ever have to face God. I didn't trust Bishops around where I lived so I felt stuck between a rock and a hard place.

One day I got on my knees and begged God to help me, I felt like my life should come to an end. Then came the news that I was being transferred out of state by my employer. I went through a divorce and lost my family...and drove alone to my next home.

I drank some, swore like a banshee and said to heck with life. My sins, many, many kept stacking up against me.

Then one day as I was driving around I saw a chapel near where I lived. I researched and got the phone number for the bishop there. My intention was to go in and ask for my name to be removed from the records of the church, I had no hope of redemption. My sins tormented my whole inside.

Long story short, this is where I went through a horrific and difficult repentance process because the bishop saw right through me and with sternness and care he helped me to rid myself of all my sins. Does anyone know how difficult it is to confess terrible sins going back decades to someone you don't even know? I came very close to excommunication, but due to the fact I went and confessed on my own, the Bishop helped me over a period of a long time until I was able to receive a temple recommend. So I went from near suicide to complete peace and joy in my bosom. The account of Alma in chap 36, vs 9-23, describes my feelings and emotions almost to the tee. My sins were now all gone and I yearned to see Christ. I'm not perfect yet I repent and hope for a better world as told us in scripture. Ether 12:4
Melissa wrote: Have you ever experienced PTSD?
Yes, ever since Vietnam, 68,69 time frame. On meds for that too. PTSD is not fun and doesn't do any good for depression.
Melissa wrote:So a woman abused as a child grows up to have some issues needs to repent for something she didn't do?
Never said anything about someone having been abused being guilty of sin. You are putting words in my mouth and saying a orated them. Not cool! The sin is on the guilty party not the recipient of evil acts. Let's keep quotes in their proper context, shall we?
Melissa wrote:I feel that you lend to the scriptures as a pedestal for your own benefit. I'm glad you have a strict adherence to the gospel, that is a good thing. But do you know how truly compassionate the Father is?
You can answer this question by what I have already said above. He helped a wretch like me and I am forever grateful.
Melissa wrote:Do you know that Love is a governing force in life and in the eternities? We must understand humans and we must understand the gospel and who Christ is.
Nothing wrong with this. :ymsigh:
Nice depression story but that wasn't the depression I was referring to. I'm talking about depression NOT due to sin.

The first statement about the apostle about having the faith to not be healed was quoted by - I believe Elder Bednar. Yes, he actually said it!! Not me. So rephrase it to suit yourself but that's not the quote he gave or the meaning he sent.

It was weird to hear and didn't sound good but it's what he said. So not everyone is going to be healed. That's not because they haven't repented or begged for mercy and peace and healing.

If depression is due to sin then it's as simple as being in bondage and you need deliverance from evil. There repentance is vital. But if your depressed by no fault of your own and are not sinning and are doing what is right- then what? What shall this person repent of? Because according to you they are sinning.

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freedomforall wrote:
Rachael wrote:You post scriptures all the live long day, but I doubt you'll find anything specific on masturbation. Unless you mingle it with the doctrine of men.
This is because I never attended the "hair splitting convention" geared to teach people to tweak scripture so it just doesn't quite spell out specifics, and to rule out all others because they don't contain a certain word. Just a good way to justify sin. If a word does not exist in scripture describing a sin it must be okay to do that sin. I know how this works, Rachael.

I agree with you here. I don't think masturbation is Ok, or looking at porn, and many other sins not spelled out specifically in Scripture. I just don't agree that the specific sin we are discussing requires confession to a bishop.i don't believe they should even ask a kid about it especially without parental consent

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Melissa wrote:If depression is due to sin then it's as simple as being in bondage and you need deliverance from evil. There repentance is vital. But if your depressed by no fault of your own and are not sinning and are doing what is right- then what? What shall this person repent of? Because according to you they are sinning.
Wrong. According to scripture, the word of God...they are sinning. Let's not confuse who wrote the rules. I've already called you on this. I guess you didn't grasp the problem, huh? Do not put words into my mouth.

Also, I never said sin causes depression in and of itself. I think, and I could be wrong, depression is something that comes from three possible circumstances, 1) comes through genes, 2) a brain disorder and 3) a child feeling unloved or in the way during rearing.
Just because someone is depressed doesn't give them a pass from receiving consequences for sin. Being depressed doesn't mean a person lacks humility, shame, remorse, sorrow or regret. A depressed person is not in the same category as someone with down syndrome either. Only those that are mentally handicapped, not being aware of right and wrong are exempt from God's justice.

What part of "For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance" is so difficult for us humans to understand? Justification for sin does not removing pending consequences, justice will be served no matter what...unless repented of.

This about says it all.

Is there any way around Christ saying "repent, repent, repent and come unto me throughout scripture?

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Rachael wrote:
freedomforall wrote:
Rachael wrote:You post scriptures all the live long day, but I doubt you'll find anything specific on masturbation. Unless you mingle it with the doctrine of men.
This is because I never attended the "hair splitting convention" geared to teach people to tweak scripture so it just doesn't quite spell out specifics, and to rule out all others because they don't contain a certain word. Just a good way to justify sin. If a word does not exist in scripture describing a sin it must be okay to do that sin. I know how this works, Rachael.

I agree with you here. I don't think masturbation is Ok, or looking at porn, and many other sins not spelled out specifically in Scripture. I just don't agree that the specific sin we are discussing requires confession to a bishop.i don't believe they should even ask a kid about it especially without parental consent
A bishop may be inspired to ask a young man and the bishop must ask. Why?

D&C 46:27
27 And unto the bishop of the church, and unto such as God shall appoint and ordain to watch over the church and to be elders unto the church, are to have it given unto them to discern all those gifts lest there shall be any among you professing and yet be not of God.

Therefore, they are within their right, their stewardship to ask any questions when prompted according to these gifts. See; D&C 46

This is not to suggest there are not overzealous bishops that let some kind of power go to their head, or even become jerk. Believe me, I've seen a few.

Titus 1:7-9
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

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Hi Mormon Kid,

Some bishops don't tell the parents and some bishops do. I think you should decide for yourself whether to tell him. If you tell him, you should definitely tell him not to tell your parents. I Say this bc I think YOU should be the one to tell them, IF you choose to do so. I would want my kids to tell me if it was causing them pain. It was causing severe depression for one of my boys. I wanted to help him, so I'm glad he told me. please know that no matter what your parents or your bishop says, YOU ARE LOVED. Always and forever. It doesn't matter what you do, God loves you.

I have two boys close to your age. I admit that for a mom, it's weird to talk to my boys about it, but let me tell you what I came up with to try and help them. I asked them if there was anything I could do to help them not masturbate. They gave me a few things and I did that for them. They still struggle but they know they are still loved. Above all though, I let them know that I loved them regardless of what they did and that Christ and God love them even more than I do bc their love is perfect. Christ has already forgiven you, kiddo. You're going to be ok. You're not going to hell. Do not feel sick about this, just do your best to overcome it and LOVE YOURSELF bc Christ already does.

And to everyone else fighting on this thread, go elsewhere for the sake of the kid.

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freedomforall wrote:
Melissa wrote:If depression is due to sin then it's as simple as being in bondage and you need deliverance from evil. There repentance is vital. But if your depressed by no fault of your own and are not sinning and are doing what is right- then what? What shall this person repent of? Because according to you they are sinning.
Wrong. According to scripture, the word of God...they are sinning. Let's not confuse who wrote the rules. I've already called you on this. I guess you didn't grasp the problem, huh? Do not put words into my mouth.

Also, I never said sin causes depression in and of itself. I think, and I could be wrong, depression is something that comes from three possible circumstances, 1) comes through genes, 2) a brain disorder and 3) a child feeling unloved or in the way during rearing.
Just because someone is depressed doesn't give them a pass from receiving consequences for sin. Being depressed doesn't mean a person lacks humility, shame, remorse, sorrow or regret. A depressed person is not in the same category as someone with down syndrome either. Only those that are mentally handicapped, not being aware of right and wrong are exempt from God's justice.

What part of "For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance" is so difficult for us humans to understand? Justification for sin does not removing pending consequences, justice will be served no matter what...unless repented of.

This about says it all.

Is there any way around Christ saying "repent, repent, repent and come unto me throughout scripture?
What does this depressed person repent of? How are they sinning?

Without coming back condescending, can you answer those simple questions?

If your referencing the simple fact that we are all sinners and are called to repent and come unto God...then just say that. But to say depression itself is a sin is not quite accurate. It may have been for your depression but to apply your situation to every ones situation doesn't work.

If one is depressed from an imbalance in gut flora, again, what do they repent of regarding this type of cause for depression?

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Better yet, let's just drop it because I think there is just a misunderstanding going on. Maybe you were believing that i was saying depression meant that you were not responsible for accountability of sin much like a person under the age of accountabilty in development....I don't know where you got this idea but...regardless I'm sure there is some misunderstanding.

I admit I kept the conversation going because I didn't like your attitude and condescending nature and what you were saying..but hey, to each their own.
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freedomforall wrote:...This is not to suggest there are not overzealous bishops that let some kind of power go to their head, or even become jerk. Believe me, I've seen a few...
I believe those that ask about it are being jerks. It's inappropriate. I think SWK's MoF book and BKP's pamphlet was jerk-ish too. Both were trend setting for jerkish-ness behavior in worthiness interviews with bishops.

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Rachael wrote:
freedomforall wrote:...This is not to suggest there are not overzealous bishops that let some kind of power go to their head, or even become jerk. Believe me, I've seen a few...
I believe those that ask are being a jerk. It's inappropriate.
Then in essence you're calling the Holy Ghost a jerk. Your insinuations of name calling directed at a bishop guided by the HG is very lame. You may have some explaining to do.

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Melissa wrote:
freedomforall wrote:
Melissa wrote:If depression is due to sin then it's as simple as being in bondage and you need deliverance from evil. There repentance is vital. But if your depressed by no fault of your own and are not sinning and are doing what is right- then what? What shall this person repent of? Because according to you they are sinning.
Wrong. According to scripture, the word of God...they are sinning. Let's not confuse who wrote the rules. I've already called you on this. I guess you didn't grasp the problem, huh? Do not put words into my mouth.

Also, I never said sin causes depression in and of itself. I think, and I could be wrong, depression is something that comes from three possible circumstances, 1) comes through genes, 2) a brain disorder and 3) a child feeling unloved or in the way during rearing.
Just because someone is depressed doesn't give them a pass from receiving consequences for sin. Being depressed doesn't mean a person lacks humility, shame, remorse, sorrow or regret. A depressed person is not in the same category as someone with down syndrome either. Only those that are mentally handicapped, not being aware of right and wrong are exempt from God's justice.

What part of "For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance" is so difficult for us humans to understand? Justification for sin does not removing pending consequences, justice will be served no matter what...unless repented of.

This about says it all.

Is there any way around Christ saying "repent, repent, repent and come unto me throughout scripture?
What does this depressed person repent of? How are they sinning?

Without coming back condescending, can you answer those simple questions?

If your referencing the simple fact that we are all sinners and are called to repent and come unto God...then just say that. But to say depression itself is a sin is not quite accurate. It may have been for your depression but to apply your situation to every ones situation doesn't work.

If one is depressed from an imbalance in gut flora, again, what do they repent of regarding this type of cause for depression?

Edit:
Better yet, let's just drop it because I think there is just a misunderstanding going on. Maybe you were believing that i was saying depression meant that you were not responsible for accountability of sin much like a person under the age of accountabilty in development....I don't know where you got this idea but...regardless I'm sure there is some misunderstanding.

I admit I kept the conversation going because I didn't like your attitude and condescending nature and what you were saying..but hey, to each their own.
Peace
Are we playing mind games? When you keep putting words in my mouth I didn't say, I have reason to get upset. And your repetitive same questions asked, as if you'd get a different answer, doesn't help either. You're right, let's quit while you're doing all the thinking for me. My answers don't seem to sink in. And twistig my words don't help much either.

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Red wrote:Hi Mormon Kid,

Some bishops don't tell the parents and some bishops do. I think you should decide for yourself whether to tell him. If you tell him, you should definitely tell him not to tell your parents. I Say this bc I think YOU should be the one to tell them, IF you choose to do so. I would want my kids to tell me if it was causing them pain. It was causing severe depression for one of my boys. I wanted to help him, so I'm glad he told me. please know that no matter what your parents or your bishop says, YOU ARE LOVED. Always and forever. It doesn't matter what you do, God loves you.

I have two boys close to your age. I admit that for a mom, it's weird to talk to my boys about it, but let me tell you what I came up with to try and help them. I asked them if there was anything I could do to help them not masturbate. They gave me a few things and I did that for them. They still struggle but they know they are still loved. Above all though, I let them know that I loved them regardless of what they did and that Christ and God love them even more than I do bc their love is perfect. Christ has already forgiven you, kiddo. You're going to be ok. You're not going to hell. Do not feel sick about this, just do your best to overcome it and LOVE YOURSELF bc Christ already does.

And to everyone else fighting on this thread, go elsewhere for the sake of the kid.
For your kids ' mental health sake, it might not be so great for them if you try to have the power of an all seeing eye like God has. I'm sure you've instilled in them that God sees all, even in secret. So it's doubled in the shame factor that you have to know too. Then triple the bishop has to know, and depending on his respect of the concept of confidentiality, you may or may not add some exponential shame and guilt. Tell them it's not a great hobby to engage in, and leave it between them and the LORD. Or keep on, focusing on it. Make them so guilt and shame ridden, they become neurotic and develop sexual hangups. They'll likely outgrow the compulsion and have more strength to resist the temptation it when they're hormones calm down.

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freedomforall wrote:
Melissa wrote:
freedomforall wrote:
Melissa wrote:If depression is due to sin then it's as simple as being in bondage and you need deliverance from evil. There repentance is vital. But if your depressed by no fault of your own and are not sinning and are doing what is right- then what? What shall this person repent of? Because according to you they are sinning.
Wrong. According to scripture, the word of God...they are sinning. Let's not confuse who wrote the rules. I've already called you on this. I guess you didn't grasp the problem, huh? Do not put words into my mouth.

Also, I never said sin causes depression in and of itself. I think, and I could be wrong, depression is something that comes from three possible circumstances, 1) comes through genes, 2) a brain disorder and 3) a child feeling unloved or in the way during rearing.
Just because someone is depressed doesn't give them a pass from receiving consequences for sin. Being depressed doesn't mean a person lacks humility, shame, remorse, sorrow or regret. A depressed person is not in the same category as someone with down syndrome either. Only those that are mentally handicapped, not being aware of right and wrong are exempt from God's justice.

What part of "For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance" is so difficult for us humans to understand? Justification for sin does not removing pending consequences, justice will be served no matter what...unless repented of.

This about says it all.

Is there any way around Christ saying "repent, repent, repent and come unto me throughout scripture?
What does this depressed person repent of? How are they sinning?

Without coming back condescending, can you answer those simple questions?

If your referencing the simple fact that we are all sinners and are called to repent and come unto God...then just say that. But to say depression itself is a sin is not quite accurate. It may have been for your depression but to apply your situation to every ones situation doesn't work.

If one is depressed from an imbalance in gut flora, again, what do they repent of regarding this type of cause for depression?

Edit:
Better yet, let's just drop it because I think there is just a misunderstanding going on. Maybe you were believing that i was saying depression meant that you were not responsible for accountability of sin much like a person under the age of accountabilty in development....I don't know where you got this idea but...regardless I'm sure there is some misunderstanding.

I admit I kept the conversation going because I didn't like your attitude and condescending nature and what you were saying..but hey, to each their own.
Peace
Are we playing mind games? When you keep putting words in my mouth I didn't say, I have reason to get upset. And your repetitive same questions asked, as if you'd get a different answer, doesn't help either. You're right, let's quit while you're doing all the thinking for me. My answers don't seem to sink in. And twistig my words don't help much either.
Not twisting or trying to put words in your mouth. Trying to understand you by posing questions to receive clarification. It's really not nice to treat others as if they are dumb when all they are looking for is clarification- - usually because the idea is a little off or something hard to believe a person would say.

Okay, your stance is that depression is a sin. Got it- clear as day. It's not a common LDS belief but it's yours and that your right. Opps...the scriptures belief, my bad.

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freedomforall wrote:
Rachael wrote:
freedomforall wrote:...This is not to suggest there are not overzealous bishops that let some kind of power go to their head, or even become jerk. Believe me, I've seen a few...
I believe those that ask are being a jerk. It's inappropriate.
Then in essence you're calling the Holy Ghost a jerk. Your insinuations of name calling directed at a bishop guided by the HG is very lame. You may have some explaining to do.
Saying a bishop = the HG in essence is lame, especially when you've witnessed that you've seen some become jerks. You're the one who said "some...even become [a] jerk... I've seen a few."

I don't have to explain myself to you. But feel free to explain my perception of your jerkiness, or your perception of mine, or not, to me or God, or no one at all.

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Melissa wrote:Okay, your stance is that depression is a sin. Got it- clear as day. Baloney. It's not a common LDS belief but it's yours and that your right. Baloney. Opps...the scriptures belief, my bad.
There you go again. You want clarification? No where I did not say depression is a sin. Show me one instance where I even hinted this. You are putting words in my mouth by badgering me with things I have not said. I have sinned before, during and after being depressed. That is not to say or even hint that depression is a sin. Get over yourself.

Depression

sadness; gloom; dejection.

Psychiatry. a condition of general emotional dejection and withdrawal; sadness greater and more prolonged than that warranted by any objective reason.

Clinical depression.

noun

Psychiatry. a depression so severe as to be considered abnormal, either because of no obvious environmental causes, or because the reaction to unfortunate life circumstances is more intense or prolonged than would generally be expected.

This is depression. This is the condition I refer. It is not a sin, okay? Are we on the same page now? Is this clear enough to grasp?

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I hope you had a happy Veteran's Day FFA. Thank you for your service. [insert RS heart].

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freedomforall wrote:
Melissa wrote:Okay, your stance is that depression is a sin. Got it- clear as day. Baloney. It's not a common LDS belief but it's yours and that your right. Baloney. Opps...the scriptures belief, my bad.
There you go again. You want clarification? No where I did not say depression is a sin. Show me one instance where I even hinted this. You are putting words in my mouth by badgering me with things I have not said. I have sinned before, during and after being depressed. That is not to say or even hint that depression is a sin. Get over yourself.

Depression

sadness; gloom; dejection.

Psychiatry. a condition of general emotional dejection and withdrawal; sadness greater and more prolonged than that warranted by any objective reason.

Clinical depression.

noun

Psychiatry. a depression so severe as to be considered abnormal, either because of no obvious environmental causes, or because the reaction to unfortunate life circumstances is more intense or prolonged than would generally be expected.

This is depression. This is the condition I refer. It is not a sin, okay? Are we on the same page now? Is this clear enough to grasp?
Lol, yes! The reason I was asking so much is because you did hint at it. Re-read my very first reply. But anyway, thanks for being clear!

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Rachael wrote:
freedomforall wrote:
Rachael wrote:
freedomforall wrote:...This is not to suggest there are not overzealous bishops that let some kind of power go to their head, or even become jerk. Believe me, I've seen a few...
I believe those that ask are being a jerk. It's inappropriate.
Then in essence you're calling the Holy Ghost a jerk. Your insinuations of name calling directed at a bishop guided by the HG is very lame. You may have some explaining to do.
Saying a bishop = the HG in essence is lame, So this is what I said verbatim? especially when you've witnessed that you've seen some become jerks. Did I somehow say ALL bishops are jerks? You're the one who said "some...even become [a] jerk... I've seen a few." So you're saying to not counsel with any bishop because they might be a jerk? Whatever yanks your chain, sister.

I don't have to explain myself to you.
I'd rather you didn't, please don't. I don't think I could digest it. But feel free to explain my perception of your jerkiness, or your perception of mine, or not, to me or God, or no one at all.
I'll pass, what I have said is clear enough no matter how much you would like to twist it around, You are free to believe whatever you want, but that is your burden, not mine.
I know you have issues with the church and will find anything to back these issues. Just read your own posts. Did you and Melissa come up together. Both are good at wresting words and sentences in order to make a point.
But know this, all your rant and disgruntlement will only make me stronger. I know what scriptures say and I'm content with that. You see, I've been where you are and I know the vast difference.
So rant all you want, please.

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I haven't walked a mile in your shoes, and vice versa. I wouldn't know Melissa in real life from Adam (or Eve) and vice versa again. Nor is there some collaboration between us.

I disagree with about everyone some of the time though we might agree most of the time, maybe a vast majority, which happens if they post enough to become a regular. But then we might part ways on opinions/beliefs on other threads, depending on the subject. Or maybe just certain posts. I'm not part of some clique. Or ever will be.

If you want to become stronger in the doctrine of men, when Christ is the one who should get all the credit for saving wretches like us, suit yourself.
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Rachael wrote:I haven't walked a mile in your shoes, and vice versa. I wouldn't know Melissa I real life from Adam (or Eve) and vice versa again. Nor is their some collaboration between us. I disagree with everyone some of the time, then we night part ways on other threads. Or just certain posts. I'm not part of some clique. Or ever will be.

If you want to become stronger in the doctrine of men, when Christ is the one who should get all the credit for saving wretches like us, suit yourself.
Okay, here we go.

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:) That's moe better, as long as its a two way street

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Rachael wrote::) That's moe better, as long as its a two way street
Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood

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You know you love me...or at least contending with me.

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You're Not the Only One, Joseph Gordon-Levitt

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