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LoveIsTruth wrote:
freedomforall wrote:And you want to improve what God already did?
God wants to improve it. It is work in progress. And he will succeed. Look he made you. And you still need improvement. :) As I said. It is work in progress.

Do you have something against progress?

What would promote more progress. Education of the wicked or a change to a document?

Why don't you work at changing scriptures lov?
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Lockey wrote:Just a suggestion, maybe you guys might want to consider "agreeing on disagreeing".
I agree to disagree, but not agree to the error. I am here promoting truth. It depends on whose truth it really is. There is an account of Korihor going about trying to teach his truth also. Look where it got him. If truth is to be taught, it had better be truth and not supposition or conjecture. I quoted right out of scripture why God had the Constitution written, yet, you still seem to reject that truth and supply your own paradigm. as truth. Not good. :)
Lockey wrote:The point I tried to make in my post, but I must of failed at miserably, is that a whole lot of people died so that you all can argue openly and freely. Don't take the gift for granted.
Yes. And it will be a real waist and insult to their memory not to improve and build upon the work they have done. This is how you honor them.

Thanks for you comment.

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freedomforall wrote:Read my post again, and again and again until it begins to sink in.
You do the same with mine.
freedomforall wrote:You will not win.
I already did.
freedomforall wrote:John Taylor explained the Constitution had one little error and why
No, he spoke of "future development in the progress of a man to the intelligence and light, the power and union that God alone can impart." So it sounds to me there is a lot of room for improvement. Did you miss that?
freedomforall wrote:but it was to be taught to our children as is.
Yes, but Joseph Smith, Reason, and God said it should be improved. Did you miss that too?
freedomforall wrote:I can show you contradictions within the scriptures but does that make then imperfect, not of value,
Contradiction is the definition of imperfection. True scriptures, translated correctly, contain no contradictions. Otherwise they would not be true, by definition. God is not the source of error and confusion, and he does not give contradictory scriptures.
freedomforall wrote:to be mocked and changed just because one person does not like the way they are written?
If there are errors, they will be corrected. But the scriptures are still of immense value, because they contain a great deal of truth (as far as they are translated correctly).

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No. Not even maybe. I think some of our current supreme court Justices are not capable of righteous judgments. BUT the concept of constitutional amendments is a good and sound concept. But obviously ANY good concept in the wrong hands is going to go south, the scriptures testify of this. Changing the foundations of those concepts in my opinion is not going to solve the problem. Changing who we allow to govern over us will.

On a personal note, my personal prayer is that God will come back soon.You can't blame me for hoping. After all it just may take God himself to change these issues. In the mean time coming together in the spirit of true change, doing our homework on the issues and praying before we vote folks into office in this country would help a lot! But in my ldsfreedomforum posters opinion, fighting over your differences isn't going to help either. You both seem so protective over "Truth". That to me is a rare thing in this world. You two ought to be brothers, not foes. It doesn't mean you have to give up Truth. It means you both have a passion for and a love for truth. It both means you BOTH Love God.

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Ezra wrote:
LoveIsTruth wrote:
freedomforall wrote:And you want to improve what God already did?
God wants to improve it. It is work in progress. And he will succeed. Look he made you. And you still need improvement. :) As I said. It is work in progress.

Do you have something against progress?

What would promote more progress. Education of the wicked or a change to a document?

Why don't you work at changing scriptures lov?
I'm going to allow loveistruth to believe as he wishes. It does not change anything one way or another. I stand by my posts and all he can do is keep arguing against them...but that is all it ever will be, sheer argument. There is no need for me to continue for all it does is raise cackles, and I have my limits.
For that matter, many people do not believe the word of God either, so this is no different. God says that for those that will not go by his teachings there is a very hot spot just for them one day. He has no need of arguing because hell is the default setting for the rebellious.
I think your input is right on target, my friend.

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freedomforall wrote:
LoveIsTruth wrote:I am here promoting truth.
It depends on whose truth it really is.
Truth is truth, and it is one.
freedomforall wrote:There is an account of Korihor going about trying to teach his truth also. Look where it got him.
You are confused. Korihor was teaching lies. You should be able to tell the difference between the two.
freedomforall wrote:If truth is to be taught, it had better be truth and not supposition or conjecture.
I agree, but there is nothing wrong with supposition or conjecture, as long as they are true. By definition.
freedomforall wrote:I quoted right out of scripture why God had the Constitution written, yet, you still seem to reject that truth and supply your own paradigm. as truth.
You are confused. I accept the scriptures. You don't.

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Lockey wrote:Not to distract anyone from the memorizing argument that nobody can get enough of, but on a side note I like the title of your non-aggression principal. Whats that all about Loveistruth guy?
Thanks for your comments. Did you watch the Non-Aggression Principle video? Just click on the link in my signature, it will take you to YouTube.

Let me know what you think of it. I think it is very well done (mostly). :)

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Ezra wrote:So you think that all amendment after the 10th has purified the constitution?

Taxing income? Taking away the balances of power from the people to the government. Going away from the gold standard?
I did not say all amendments were good. Most of them were bad.

Amendment power was a tool God provided. It can be used for good or evil. If some one used it for evil, it does not change the fact that God expects you to use it for good. That is your duty. This is why he made sure it was put there so it would be used for good. Get it? If someone used a gun to commit murder, does not mean that good people should be disarmed.

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Lockey wrote:No. Not even maybe. I think some of our current supreme court Justices are not capable of righteous judgments. BUT the concept of constitutional amendments is a good and sound concept. But obviously ANY good concept in the wrong hands is going to go south, the scriptures testify of this. Changing the foundations of those concepts in my opinion is not going to solve the problem. Changing who we allow to govern over us will.

On a personal note, my personal prayer is that God will come back soon.You can't blame me for hoping. After all it just may take God himself to change these issues. In the mean time coming together in the spirit of true change, doing our homework on the issues and praying before we vote folks into office in this country would help a lot! But in my ldsfreedomforum posters opinion, fighting over your differences isn't going to help either. You both seem so protective over "Truth". That to me is a rare thing in this world. You two ought to be brothers, not foes. It doesn't mean you have to give up Truth. It means you both have a passion for and a love for truth. It both means you BOTH Love God.
Thank you, Lockey. Kind words to say the least.
My eyes were opened just a few years back about the awful situation we are in, and how the Constitution will be all but destroyed. I also read a peace written by Jerome Horowitz on how America has two Constitutions. This was appalling to me, the wrong of how the country works that is, and made me aware of how so much crap gets passed into law these days. Then I read books like An Enemy Hath Done This by Ezra Taft Benson, what an eye opener, Prophets, Principles and National Survival by Newquist, and many other books. Then comes along a guy that says the Constitution is flawed, and I all but blew a gasket. After reading all the stuff in upholding and befriending and learning of the very document that has provided freedom and liberty, and then to have one guy with his own distorted views comes along and tries to throw a wrench into everything I know to be true by studying the words of people in the know. One guy bent on telling us the Constitution has to be improved. Whereas, it is the morality and conduct of the human race that needs to be improved.
I thought a little back ground would be helpful and let you know why I am so defensive about it. I totally disagree with a lot of his assertions, and that's just the way it is. You can decide for yourself.

If you care to read Horowitz at your leisure please do so at: http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/jh_gk/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Somebody ought to know where I'm coming from.
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Ezra wrote:What would promote more progress. Education of the wicked or a change to a document?
Both work hand in hand. One strengthens and promotes the other. These processes are inseparable and one. You cannot fully accomplish one without the other.
Ezra wrote:Why don't you work at changing scriptures lov?
Who said I don't, luv.

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LoveIsTruth wrote:
freedomforall wrote:
LoveIsTruth wrote:I am here promoting truth.
It depends on whose truth it really is.
Truth is truth, and it is one.
freedomforall wrote:There is an account of Korihor going about trying to teach his truth also. Look where it got him.
You are confused. Korihor was teaching lies. You should be able to tell the difference between the two.
freedomforall wrote:If truth is to be taught, it had better be truth and not supposition or conjecture.
I agree, but there is nothing wrong with supposition or conjecture, as long as they are true. By definition.
freedomforall wrote:I quoted right out of scripture why God had the Constitution written, yet, you still seem to reject that truth and supply your own paradigm. as truth.
You are confused. I accept the scriptures. You don't.
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freedomforall wrote:After reading all the stuff in upholding and befriending and learning of the very document that has provided freedom and liberty, ... one guy bent on telling us the Constitution has to be improved.
That guy was Joseph Smith. You did well learning what the prophets have said. But you stopped short of thinking for yourself, or believing the prophets, when they said the document was imperfect and needed to be improved. Joseph Smith said it. Why do you not believe him?
freedomforall wrote:Whereas, it is the morality and conduct of the human race that needs to be improved.
One helps the other. Both need to be improved. If the Constitution explicitly forbade legalized plunder, it would have helped to improve national morality a great deal.
freedomforall wrote:Somebody ought to know where I'm coming from.
You mean well, but you are afraid to think for yourself, and to believe the prophets of God when they say something you don't want to understand.

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LoveIsTruth wrote:
freedomforall wrote:After reading all the stuff in upholding and befriending and learning of the very document that has provided freedom and liberty, ... one guy bent on telling us the Constitution has to be improved.
That guy was Joseph Smith. You did well learning what the prophets have said. But you stopped short of thinking for yourself, or believing the prophets, when they said the document was imperfect and needed to be improved. Joseph Smith said it. Why do you not believe him? Because I say you blow things out of proportion, no less than you not believing what John Taylor said. In fact I repeated it several times and you still don't get it. No surprise. You go by one man you think said it is imperfect when I show you a multitude of quotes by many prophets and leaders saying the contrary. And you want me to go with one distorted viewpoint? I think not. I know better.
freedomforall wrote:Whereas, it is the morality and conduct of the human race that needs to be improved.
One helps the other. Both need to be improved. If the Constitution explicitly forbade legalized plunder, it would have helped to improve national morality a great deal. Not so, following God's word would, which includes befriending and upholding the Constitution instead of trying to find ways to coerce people into obedience to good laws. This is Satan's way. God gives us the choice to either act or to be acted upon. We don't need a Constitution that says we all will keep the commandments or else. This is what scriptures are for.
freedomforall wrote:Somebody ought to know where I'm coming from.
You mean well, but you are afraid to think for yourself, and to believe the prophets of God when they say something you don't want to understand.
Are you still trying to bait me. Do you know me. Do you know my thoughts and emotions. Are you attempting to do my thinking for me? Even Ezra asked you the near same thing about him. I tried to back out by talking to someone other than you but you took upon yourself to respond for Lockey and keep on prodding, accusing and baiting.
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LoveIsTruth wrote:
Ezra wrote:What would promote more progress. Education of the wicked or a change to a document?
Both work hand in hand. One strengthens and promotes the other. These processes are inseparable and one. You cannot fully accomplish one without the other.
Ezra wrote:Why don't you work at changing scriptures lov?
Who said I don't, luv.
I wouldn't put it past you. If something does not fit " your " perspective I imagin you would want it to. Just as out prophets have said. People don't want to hear what's right. They want to hear what they are doing is right even if it's not.

Changing the constitution does not go hand in hand with rightiousness.

There is more rightiousness outside the cloak of the constitution then under it.

You could rewrite the constitution tell your blue in the face and it won't change a wicked people. They won't abide by it.

Every amendment to the constitution past ten 10 and origonal constitution has cometh evil just as the lord has said it would.

One does not need the bible or Book of Mormon to know God. They can go directly to the lord for there learnings. Or learn from nature. A change of the constitution is not needed to become rightious. All of gods creations point to him. But all are not needed to find him. Closing your eyes and listening will get you much closer then almost anything.
Most people will distract themselfs from ever building a personal relationship with God their entire lifes.
Satans is a huge advocate of distractions.
of his best ways to go about this to get people passionate about the distraction. Get them pumped up in there own mind about how good they are for doing this or that.

They are well intended fools. Anyone who voted for Obama or Romany are well intended fools. Anyone who promotes democracy are well intended fools.

The only change needed is a change of heart towards God and eachother.

Lov unless your a prophet of God you have no athority to change gods works.
Do you have a Personal witness of our lord and savior as joseph smith had? Or John Taylor?

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Ezra wrote:
LoveIsTruth wrote:
Ezra wrote:What would promote more progress. Education of the wicked or a change to a document?
Both work hand in hand. One strengthens and promotes the other. These processes are inseparable and one. You cannot fully accomplish one without the other.
Ezra wrote:Why don't you work at changing scriptures lov?
Who said I don't, luv.
I wouldn't put it past you. If something does not fit " your " perspective I imagin you would want it to. Just as out prophets have said. People don't want to hear what's right. They want to hear what they are doing is right even if it's not.

Changing the constitution does not go hand in hand with rightiousness.

There is more rightiousness outside the cloak of the constitution then under it.

You could rewrite the constitution tell your blue in the face and it won't change a wicked people. They won't abide by it.

Every amendment to the constitution past ten 10 and origonal constitution has cometh evil just as the lord has said it would.

One does not need the bible or Book of Mormon to know God. They can go directly to the lord for there learnings. Or learn from nature. A change of the constitution is not needed to become rightious. All of gods creations point to him. But all are not needed to find him. Closing your eyes and listening will get you much closer then almost anything.
Most people will distract themselfs from ever building a personal relationship with God their entire lifes.
Satans is a huge advocate of distractions.
of his best ways to go about this to get people passionate about the distraction. Get them pumped up in there own mind about how good they are for doing this or that.

They are well intended fools. Anyone who voted for Obama or Romany are well intended fools. Anyone who promotes democracy are well intended fools.

The only change needed is a change of heart towards God and eachother.

Lov unless your a prophet of God you have no athority to change gods works.
Do you have a Personal witness of our lord and savior as joseph smith had? Or John Taylor?
Now I suppose he thinks his name is Lockey, of whom I was addressing when he, LOV, stepped in and said some more nasty things. He doesn't know when to quit. We know for a fact we can't change the words coming from between scratches on a damaged vinyl record. His ranting reminds of this. You know, "the Constitution is imperfect", "the Constitution is imperfect", "the Constitution is imperfect", "the Constitution is imperfect", "the Constitution is imperfect", "the Constitution is imperfect", "the Constitution is imperfect", "the Constitution is imperfect", on and on and on, etc.

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freedomforall wrote:instead of trying to find ways to coerce people into obedience to good laws.
You are confused. It is perfectly proper to coerce people not to violate the property of others. This is the only type of coercion that is justified by God. So a prophet of God, who you said your respect, Joseph Smith, said that such coercion should be added to the Constitution, and it is just and good. But you do not believe the prophet, and then say that I don't. That is not logical, my friend.
freedomforall wrote:We don't need a Constitution that says we all will keep the commandments or else. This is what scriptures are for.
We need the Constitution to say that the government will not rob us, or else. This is Joseph Smith opinion also, not just mine, and it is correct, because that is the purpose of the Constitution according to God himself. This is justice. What's your problem with justice?
freedomforall wrote:You go by one man you think said it is imperfect
Actually two prophets said that. Is that not enough for you? I am sure I could find more, because the point is so obvious to anyone who can reason.
freedomforall wrote:Are you still trying to bait me. Do you know me. Do you know my thoughts and emotions. Are you attempting to do my thinking for me? Even Ezra asked you the near same thing about him. I tried to back out by talking to someone other than you but you took upon yourself to respond for Lockey and keep on prodding, accusing and baiting.
No, it is you who came to my thread (thanks Brian). I didn't ask you to post in it. You do it of your own free will. Feel free to start your own, I promise not to post there, and quit complaining about me responding to what is said in my thread. You look ridiculous. Besides, you respond to me when I am answering other people all the time. Feel free to not respond to this thread if it upsets you so much. It is not my purpose to provoke you.
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Ezra wrote:Changing the constitution does not go hand in hand with rightiousness.
Tell it to Joseph Smith, who wanted to change it, and to God who specifically made it changeable so it could be improved over time. You contradict them both, and you contradict reason itself. Not a good position at all.
Ezra wrote:You could rewrite the constitution tell your blue in the face and it won't change a wicked people. They won't abide by it.
No, but it will make it much easier for righteous people to defend themselves from the wicked. This is why the prophet wanted it changed. And he was right. You are not.
Ezra wrote:A change of the constitution is not needed to become rightious.
But it certainly helps a lot. Are you against that?
Ezra wrote:The only change needed is a change of heart towards God and eachother.
Putting more justice into law only helps in this. Allowing injustice in the law, corrupts people. It is not good. Both changing hearts and laws must happen hand in hand, and each helps the other a great deal. In this is the wisdom of God that you do not see yet.
Ezra wrote:Lov unless your a prophet of God you have no athority to change gods works.
I have no less authority to propose improvements to the Constitution than Jefferson or Madison did. And yes, I am a prophet too, because I have a testimony "for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." (Revelation 19:10)

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freedomforall wrote: "the Constitution is imperfect"
That is true, and not just according to me, but at least two prophets as well. It is also true according to Reason and God. Deal with it.

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Lov are the scriptures the sum of one verse?

No they are not right.

You can't take a part of one quote from joseph smith and john Taylor to form your understanding unless you want to be informed.

That's why earlyer I said after you posted D&c 101:79 as your reason why you think God thinks the constitution is flawed. That if you leave out the rest of the scripture then Ya you could inturprite it that way. But add the rest of the scripture and in no way Is God saying its flawed.

Same with joseph and John Taylor. Who as ffa pointed out have had much more to say to the opposit then what your holding onto.

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God left the door open for it to be change is true. That dosent mean we should. It means we should.

Should we change scripture? We can we could change it all day long if we so desired. God won't like it. We will be judged for it exspecialy if others are fooled by the. Changed we made.

Just like the constitution. We will be judged for the changes we allow.

D&c 76:75. These are they who were honnorable men of the earth who were blinded by the craftiness of men.

JS vision of who will inherit the terrestrial kingdom.

That's all it takes. To be dooped into following a political coarse that is not gods.

How do you not get tricked. Follow God and his words and his creations. Don't change them to say what you want.

Are you gods prophet? Do you know without a doubt his will? Spoken face to face with him? If not then working to recive that witness is more important then any other persuit.

Knowing and teaching the gosple trumps everything eles.
2nd to that is being rightiously involved in the battle for our agency that still rages on.

Stop the freedoms being lost.

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Ezra and freedomfighter, even though we disagree on points of doctrine, I still regard you as friends and brothers in the Gospel. Please know of my love and respect for you. Thank you for your love of the Gospel, Liberty, and country. Best wishes to both of you. :)

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Ezra wrote:Lov are the scriptures the sum of one verse?

No they are not right.

You can't take a part of one quote from joseph smith and john Taylor to form your understanding
I didn't. I formed my understanding based on true principles of liberty which showed to me that the Constitution must be improved, and only after, I was delighted to see that Joseph Smith and John Taylor had the same opinion.
Ezra wrote:That's why earlyer I said after you posted D&c 101:79 as your reason why you think God thinks the constitution is flawed. That if you leave out the rest of the scripture then Ya you could inturprite it that way. But add the rest of the scripture and in no way Is God saying its flawed.
How is that? Do you not agree that the original Constitution was specifically written to allow slavery, with 3/5th compromise and the founders holding slaves themselves?

Besides, that is not the only scripture showing that the Constitution is incomplete. The command "Thou shall not steal" is being violated via taxation clauses, because these clauses do not forbid public taxation of private property, a.k.a. wholesale, systematic violation of private property, a.k.a. legalized plunder, a.k.a institutionalized evil. As you correctly pointed out, it is just another face of slavery, which plunder and slavery are forbidden by God. And since the Constitution is specifically written to restrain the government, it is altogether proper that these all-important key restrictions on government institutionalized evil must be explicitly included into the Constitution. It is the absence of these explicit restrictions on violations of private property via taxation, (which was caused by the lack of understanding in the founders, that violation of private property is always evil, no matter what majority votes for it), that made it so easy for the wicked to subvert the Constitution and all but destroy Liberty and Justice in this country.

Joseph Smith thought it was important to alter the Constitution if it was to be effective. I agree with him.
Ezra wrote:Same with joseph and John Taylor. Who as ffa pointed out have had much more to say to the opposit then what your holding onto.
They said nothing to the opposite. As I already pointed out, adding more God's words to the Constitution does not adulterate or defile it in any way. It will only strengthen its usefulness in the defense of Liberty and Justice as Joseph Smith pointed out.
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Ezra wrote:God left the door open for it to be change is true. That dosent mean we should. It means we should[n't].
That is a very flawed logic, especially in the light of the fact that the Constitution is incomplete.
Ezra wrote:Just like the constitution. We will be judged for the changes we allow.
We will also be judged for the changes we DIDN'T make, the changes that God wanted us to make, to make the Constitution a better instrument in the fight for Liberty and Justice.

Think about that.

I say it again, Joseph Smith whom you and I call a prophet said the Constitution is missing things. Then God provides the tools, in the Constitution itself, to put those things in; and yet you say we shouldn't use it? Will we not be condemned if we don't make the use of the tools God himself provided to fulfill his will and pleasure?

That sounds like the correct logic to me. Wouldn't you say?

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The battlefront isn't changing the Constitution. the battlefront is changing hearts. It's true that Satan wants to destroy the Constitution.

Having thou shalt not steal in the constitution isn't going to make people listen to it. Having Thou shalt not steal is in the Bible and Book of Mormon almost no one is listening to it is proof of what I'm saying.

Change the constitution won't change of evil people. Changing the constitution won't change and evil government.

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Ezra wrote:The battlefront isn't changing the Constitution. the battlefront is changing hearts.
Both work hand in hand and mightily help each other. This is why God puts such high importance on good laws. It is unwise to ignore any avenue of changing hearts via education, even, and especially if such education is triggered by an effort to amend the Constitution for the better. Look how much learning took place because of this one debate. So you win whether amendment is passed or not. But if you do not try, you lose for sure. Therefore it is much wiser to put effort in passing such amendments.
Ezra wrote:Having thou shalt not steal in the constitution isn't going to make people listen to it.
It will make it significantly harder for the government to plunder private property, if explicit prohibition against all forms of such plunder, especially against public taxation of private property, is given in the Constitution. Many people even now are clueless, that ANY violation of private property is evil, no matter who voted for it. If you put such language into the Constitution, it will be harder to fool so many people, because wicked government ALWAYS relies on deception, by making its victims believe that the plunder is for their own good. Put such language into the Constitution exposing the lie, and you took away one of the major tools of deception and tyranny.

Remember, without the consent of 300 million people it is impossible for tyrants to rob them. Therefore they HAVE TO lie to plunder so many. This amendment would destroy the lie.
Ezra wrote:Having Thou shalt not steal is in the Bible and Book of Mormon almost no one is listening to it is proof of what I'm saying.
You are missing the point. Of course the rulers will try to steal, but you are making it much harder for them. Why? Because it is the people who are getting robbed by very few. The only way it is possible is by deceiving the people so they would go alone and consent to being robbed, "for the greater good." Put this fact into the Constitution and deception of the victims becomes nigh impossible.
Ezra wrote:Change the constitution won't change of evil people.
Not true. The very process of changing the Constitution for the better will become a mighty catalyst for educating and changing the people. In fact one is impossible without the other, therefore both must occur together.

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