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No, I am not suggesting that the changing attitude of the church toward promoting war bonds after Pearl Harbor is some sort of evidence of secret combinations. I am impressed with statements in that letter that evidence a very serious view on parts of Presidents Grant, Clark, and McKay toward neglect on the part of Church members of the US Constitution.

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lundbaek wrote:No, I am not suggesting that the changing attitude of the church toward promoting war bonds after Pearl Harbor is some sort of evidence of secret combinations. I am impressed with statements in that letter that evidence a very serious view on parts of Presidents Grant, Clark, and McKay toward neglect on the part of Church members of the US Constitution.
Thanks for the link Lund! Although, now I may have to research the "Deseret News" article that is referenced at the end that is evidently contrary to that which is in the letter. (Of course I trust that letter from the First Presidency more) Would be an interesting read.

-- Geoff

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There's nothing like an 'attack' on one's country - either allowed or actually engineered - by those who manipulate us into these wars to UNITE everyone behind so-called patriotism.

The Federal Reserve had to keep Congress coming to the slop trough by creating another global conflict (WWII)... just as it does today.

Their (power elite) wars keep them in the business of making money from every possible position on the chess board. Sweet deal.

Stupid Congress.

"Isolationist attitude", indeed!

By all means, read the document posted here by Lundbaek. It must be read in its entirety.
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That letter of the 1941 First Presidency is a very enlightening read and I highly reccomend reading the whole letter stem to stern. Other recorded statements made during that era by Presidents Grant, Clark, and McKay should also leave little doubt about their concern about the failure of members to stand fast by the Constitution.

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Did you call him and verify it yourself lundbaek?

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I did not call Pres. Devisser, nor do I know anybody who did call him. I note that ascaphus posted on Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:25 pm that "He has been called and admitted to giving the talk." I wrote earlier that "bogus or not, the message itself is still true and accurate." I imagine he has already been bugged enuf about it, and maybe even chastised for letting it go cyber.

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Thank you, Ben, for your verification of President Devisser's talk.

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Outstanding address by a courageous stake president not afraid to call it as he sees it.... Title of his message is indicative of media's spin. Fact of the matter is he is lamenting the demise of liberty - far from political or republican. Liberty is the foundation of The Lord's work, it is just that plain, that simple. Sadly this most simple principle isn't understood by many. Good on President DeVisser, but I expect he will get chastized for his statements and for letting it get out on the internet. I would like to send him a email complementing and thanking him for "blowing the whistle" on our awful situation.

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I used to live in that area, in a neighboring stake. I've heard several leaders from that area specifically speak like this and for very good reason. The area is full of sleeping people who have many challenges with so much of gospel truth and the principles of liberty. I see the media and some websites have taken his comments as political. But I didn't get that sense. It read more like a news report than any political-leaning discourse.

I love the comments from the "Mormons for Obama" spokesperson quote from the Trib article. What a laugh.

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I think it's such a small thing to be concerned with, to care so much that a message in Stake Conference would get out to the masses. This should be a good thing. Sure, the message was intended for the Hidden Valley Stake but... shouldn't a message given in Stake Conference have some value to anyone that reads it. This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ we're talking about. If I gave a talk in a ward sacrament meeting I should be happy if it went viral on the internet because if I was doing what I was supposed to that message would have been inspired by the Spirit and should contain at least something of value to anyone reading it, even if it contained messages intended for a specific audience.

We better not publish the epistle of Paul to the ___________'s. We wouldn't want others to read it! Hey, that letter was for Timothy only! :-ss

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Article related to this talk. It's legit. And the stake president had every right to give this talk to his local congregation if he felt inspired by the Spirit. He was espousing correct principles - as they relate to government - and never mentioned political parties or candidates.

http://t.co/TVCQJ4ElaX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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I would like to thank President DeVisser very much for his stake conference address which "blew the whistle" on some of the "awful situation" the United States is in. We Latter-day Saints are the only people that I know of to whom the Lord has given warnings of, and a divine commandment to awake to a sense of our awful situation. The Lord, thru both ancient and latter-day prophets has also told us to take actions to rectify our awful situation. But how can Latter-day Saints oppose the fomenting of our awful situation if they remain in ignorance of it and what is causing it ? Hopefully President DeVisser's address will reach hundreds if not thousands of LDS people who need to be awakened to our awful situation and who will resolve to do what they can to help make the United States into the nation the Lord intended it to become. Still, I cannot help wondering if he got taken to the wood shed by the General Authorities.

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I always enjoy & appreciate your posts lundbaek

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I didn't realize how big of a deal that talk was until I read that tribune article. Those people's comments are ridiculous on why they dislike the talk. They were not there when he presented it to even have the spirit. He said nothing that has not be said in General Conference. Except the "2012" being the worst yet. I guess people on the comments page were complaining its not worse than WWII.

Well spiritually it definitely was. That was the purpose of the talk to get us spiritually prepared and wake up to the awful situation. It doesn't matter who was president romney or obama that's not where the problem lies. Its the government itself full of secret combinations. Due to the corruption obama can't even get anything done. Too many far left's and far rights, greed etc. you get the point.

I'm glad biran talked to the tribune about it, according to the article anways.

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So how can we send this courageous man an email or letter thanking him for his bravery?

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uglypitbull wrote:So how can we send this courageous man an email or letter thanking him for his bravery?
I agree, I'd like to send him an e-mail or letter to thank him. I sent his talk to members of my family and it has awakened within them a desire to "get ready" and know the time is short. It was an inspired talk, I felt the Spirit when I read it. Thank you Pres. De Visser!

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I just sent my letter off to him.
His office address can be gotten thru lds.org

I hope others will also. As I wrote earlier, he may get taken to the woodshed by the General Authorities.

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I would encourage you to not publicly post his address. If I was the SP I would not like random strangers coming to my house ;) PM it if need be. Just my 2cents. Make them work for it ;) if thye want the address.

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Or even address letters to his office at the Stake Center. If you're going to post an address publicly post the stake center address... for the sake of his privacy.

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Sandy Utah Hidden Valley Stake Center
1450 E 12035 S,
SANDY,UTAH 84092

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I'm glad he said it
I'm glad he said _something
I'm glad someone says something, anything

I think he needs to get his rose coloured republican glasses off and wake up a bit.

Left right paradigm.

he refers to 4 years and 5 years ofdecay. Was that when he became stake pres? If so then that offers context. Otherwise he.used it as a platform to vent his politics, and truth be known republicans were every bit as bad as Obama's cronies and socialism

sadly, I think he probably was a pro bush pro war pro Obama kind of guy. Now bitter Obama is there, albeit doing a continuation of bush and.friends
why would.he think like this?

Why would he think he can do that from the pulpit? Why would he fall for the left right conjob?

Iadies and gentlemen, I reveal exhibits Cheney, rice, Petraeus, Hinckleys presidential medal of freedom, Cheney's BYU doctorate for services to humanity.

(Can I add that the Dalai Lama asked if he could speak at BYU and was rejected FWIW)

I guess he learned from the best of 'em

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AussieOi wrote: he refers to 4 years and 5 years ofdecay. Was that when he became stake pres? If so then that offers context. Otherwise he.used it as a platform to vent his politics, and truth be known republicans were every bit as bad as Obama's cronies and socialism
He was not talking about politics he was talking about the financial collapse. 2007-2012 = ~5 years.Plus if you cannot see any decay in society in the past 5 years than that person needs to have their eyes opened.

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I hope the stake president doesn't get called on the carpet for what he said. It's not his fault that the talk went viral. He was only speaking to his stake members and it wasn't for the rest of the world to hear. But it's a marvelous and open talk. I wish more members would read it.

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More members will read President DeVisser's talk if we send the talk together with links to the SLTrib article to more members. I think the Tribune did us a big favor by running the story on President DeVisser talk.

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