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uglypitbull wrote:He still supports gays serving in the Boy Scouts
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/romney ... omosexuals




Col. Flagg wrote:Fiannan... I choose none of the above - if you think a Romney presidency is going to restore this once great nation to its founding roots or at least attempt to or try to end the status quo and corruption in DC, you are incredibly naive as the only real major difference between Romney and Obama is that Romney isn't a Marxist commie. Other than that...
Col. Flagg wrote:1. He has demonstrated a flagrant disregard and/or lack of understanding for the Constitution by supporting unconstitutional and tyrannical legislation such as the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) which allows the feds to arrest and detain anyone they wish without due process under suspicion of being a terrorist or government protester/dissenter.
2. He supports the so-called 'Patriot Act' (which was actually written in advance of 9/11) which allows the feds to engage in Nazi Germany tactics such as eavesdropping, wiretapping, invasion of privacy, etc. under the guise of 'security'.
3. Mitt supported the trillion dollar, forced taxpayer-funded bail-outs for speculators, crooks and criminals in our financial system back in 2008.
4. He supported TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program) which used taxpayer monies to prop up the failing asset values for Wall Street parasites and the big banks.
5. He thinks the 'Federal Reserve' (which is not federal and has no reserves) is doing a fine job with the economy and our money when it is perhaps the most corrupt and criminal institution on the planet (not to mention illegal and unconstitutional) which has devalued our currency by 97% since 1971 with their money creation out of thin air backed by nothing and which also recently was discovered as having doled out more than $16 TRILLION in bail-outs to overseas nations, banks, corporations and even individuals.
6. He supports the bogus 'war on terror'.
7. He is for pre-emptive war (when the Constitution expressly forbids it) and expanding our military empire for the further enrichment of our military-industrial complex.
8. He is being supported, funded and promoted by the same big money players who helped Obama into power.
9. He is also a flip-flopper and will change his position on any major issue depending upon the day or crowd he is speaking to and probably worst of all, he refused to acknowledge the first vision in a local TV interview in Boston a few years ago when he said "I don't know that God has spoken to anyone since Moses'.
10. Romney is an opportunist and will do or say anything to score political points and win favor while sacrificing integrity just like Harry Reid (who is also LDS and one of the most corrupt men in Washington).
skmo wrote: There are three choices in this election. No more. You can vote for Obamao, you can vote for Romney, or you can vote away your choice on someone who won't matter in the election. Again, if your principles dictate that you can't vote for Romney, your choice, by default, helps Obamao.
skmo wrote:The U.S. President for the next 4 years will either be Mitt Romney or Barack Obamao. You can support one of those two, or you can cast a vote that will go nowhere. If your principles dictate that you can't vote within the structure of politics as they are in reality, that's your choice. However, if I can only choose between getting cancer and getting AIDS, I'm going to choose cancer. A small chance of recovery is better than a sure thing for death.
Not only that, I live in Utah and Romney is going to easily win in a landslide over Barry Soetoro and so there is no wasting your vote in Utah since the majority of the sheeple are going to vote Romney owing to him being LDS.
Just like Utah voted back in Orrin Hatch in the primaries by a 2 to 1 margin.
The political illiteracy in this nation is simply astounding. 
The political illiteracy in this nation are appalling.
lundbaek wrote:"The political illiteracy in this nation is simply astounding." And it isn't much better on this forum.

Lady Believer wrote:I was neutral on Romney for a long time. Then as I watched his primary opponents self destruct, Romney won--not necessarily because he was fantastic, but because the competition blew up. I have to wonder why.
You may not like Romney, and he may not be the perfect man, but a road is being paved before him. Even Cyrus was used for the Lord's purpose. Don't be so quick to judge when God just may be using this imperfect man for his own wisdom.
(I'm so glad you're not on the judging panel when I get my turn before the council. I've made some mistakes down here.)
Lady Believer wrote:I was neutral on Romney for a long time. Then as I watched his primary opponents self destruct, Romney won--not necessarily because he was fantastic, but because the competition blew up. I have to wonder why.
You may not like Romney, and he may not be the perfect man, but a road is being paved before him. Even Cyrus was used for the Lord's purpose. Don't be so quick to judge when God just may be using this imperfect man for his own wisdom.
(I'm so glad you're not on the judging panel when I get my turn before the council. I've made some mistakes down here.)
Lady Believer wrote:I'm sorry. My point was in defense of Mitt Romney. My point is maybe the Lord is using Mitt for His purposes because I don't see Mitt coming as far as he has and with all the obstacles he has had without some divine help.
I'd a lot rather have MItt than Obama, even if it garners us just a few more years. I'm sick to death of all the criticism of this mortal man who doesn't speak perfectly or act perfectly, but who is doing something. I'm sick to death of all the judging against him--he who is trying a lot harder to do something positive--more effort from him I see than from those throwing negative darts his way. Talk is cheap--but this kind of talk I read at the top promotes negative energy---and for what purpose?
What is the point of the top post and all the other nay sayers? We have two choices. I don't think "political purity" is endearing or even a value of any worth at this point. You have to work with the hand you're dealt.
uglypitbull wrote:You never just have two choices.... except when it comes to right or wrong.
uglypitbull wrote:Seems to me that Obama and Romney are the SAME choice....
1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.
2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama’s “economic stimulus” packages.
3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama’s bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.
4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.
5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.
6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.
7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the “independence” of the Federal Reserve.
8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.
9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.
10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.
11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.
12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.
13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.
14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.
15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.
16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.
17. Both candidates are “open” to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.
18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.
19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.
20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.
21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.
22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.
23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.
24. Both candidates support the practice of “extraordinary rendition”.
25. They both support the job-killing “free trade” agenda of the global elite.
26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.
27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.
28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.
29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.
30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.
31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a “cap and trade” carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as longas the entire globe goes along with it.
32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.
33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney’s “conversion” to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital’s investment in a company called “Stericycle” that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.
34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.
35. They both believe that a “two state solution” will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.
36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.
37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add “signing statements” to bills when he signs them into law.
38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.
39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.
40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.

Rensai wrote:Yep, our elections are a complete sham. The ruling elite make sure they win regardless of which puppet the people choose to put in the oval office.

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