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FIRES! and extreme WEATHER

Postby DrJones » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:13 pm

Lots of fires lately... very dry, drought conditions here in UT and I understand much of the western US. Edit: I added "extreme WEATHER" also, as things are crazy hot in the east with powerful storms as well. 109 F in Nashville yesterday -- that is extreme weather! and an all-time record HOT.

Obama goes to Colorado Springs (earlier today) -- note the last-days aspects of all this...
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) – Firefighters searching for bodies in the nearly 350 homes burned by the most destructive wildfire in Colorado history found a second body Friday at a residence where another person was discovered dead earlier.

RJ Sangosti, AP

Homes untouched by the Waldo Canyon fire stand next to the charred lots where neighboring homes were burned to the ground in the Mountain Shadows subdivision area of Colorado Springs, Colo.
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As crews on the front lines made slow but steady progress against the flames, Police Chief Pete Carey said fewer than 10 people altogether were unaccounted for. The remains of one person were found Thursday in what was left standing of one home. He confirmed that the remains of a second person who lived there were found Friday.

The 26-square-mile blaze — one of several wildfires burning out of control across the tinder-dry West — was reported to be 25 percent contained, and authorities began lifting some of the evacuation orders for the more than 30,000 people who fled their homes a few days ago.

After growing explosively earlier in the week, the fire gained no ground overnight, authorities reported Friday. And the weather was clear and mostly calm, a welcome break from the lightning and high wind that drove the flames.

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"The focus for today is to hold what we got," extend the fire lines to contain more of the blaze, and bring in more heavy equipment, said Rich Harvey, incident commander for the fire.

Exhausted firefighters fresh off the front lines described the devastation in some neighborhoods and the challenges of battling such a huge blaze.

"It looks like hell. I would imagine it felt like a nuclear bomb went off. There was fire everywhere. Everything had a square shape to it because it was foundations," said Rich Rexach, who had been working 12-hour days since Tuesday, when flames swept through neighborhoods in this city of more than 400,000 people 60 miles south of Denver.

"Everything you put water on, it was just swallowing it," he said.

President Barack Obama toured the stricken areas Friday after issuing a disaster declaration for Colorado that frees up federal funds. He thanked firefighters and other emergency workers, saying: "The country is grateful for your work. The country's got your back."

As residents waited anxiously to see what was left of their homes, police reported several burglaries in evacuated areas, along with break-ins of cars packed with evacuees' possessions outside hotels.

Carey said Friday a person wearing protective fire gear in an evacuated area was arrested on charges of impersonating a firefighter and influencing a public official.

"We were able to stop him and identify that person as somebody that probably wasn't someone who belonged on that scene," Carey said. He didn't have the person's name.

Earlier this month, a man was arrested on suspicion of impersonating a firefighter at a different blaze in northern Colorado.

Community leaders began notifying residents Thursday that their homes were destroyed. Lists of the heavily damaged streets were posted at a high school, and residents scanned the sheets, but for many, the notification was a formality. They had already recognized their streets on the aerial pictures that appeared in the news.

"The blanket that was on my bed when I grew up, a bunch of things my mother had made," said Rick Spraycar, listing what he lost when his house in the hard-hit Mountain Shadows subdivision burned down. "It's hard to put it into words. Everything I owned. Memories."

For Ernie Storti the pain of knowing that his was one of a handful of homes spared in his neighborhood was hard.

"Our home was standing, and everything south of us was gone," he said as tears streamed down his face outside a Red Cross Shelter where he had met with insurance agents.

Authorities were still trying to figure out what caused the fire. They said conditions were too dangerous to allow them in to start their investigation.

More than 1,000 personnel and six helicopters were fighting the fire.

All eight Air Force firefighting planes from four states will be at Colorado Springs' Peterson Air Force Base Saturday and available to fight the fire, marking the first time the entire fleet has been activated since 2008, Col. Jerry Champlin said.

Among the fires elsewhere in the West:

— At least 60 homes near Pocatello, Idaho, burned in a fast-moving wildfire that started Thursday evening. The blaze covered more than 1½ square miles. Officials said it was human-caused but gave no details.

— A 70-square-mile wildfire in Utah destroyed at least 160 structures, more than 50 of them primary homes. Another blaze in Utah doubled in size to 70 square miles and was threatening about 75 structures. And a wildfire that erupted Friday in a foothills community near Salt Lake City destroyed at least two homes and was threatening 200 others.

Blazes also burned in Wyoming and Montana.

Authorities battling six wildfires in Utah said Colorado was taking most of the available fire crews, leaving them short-handed.


Fire commander Cheto Olais said leaders at one Utah blaze had requested about 200 additional firefighters but will probably get no more than 20. "A lot of assets are going to Colorado," Olais said.
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Re: FIRES!

Postby Juliette » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:29 pm

We have been so nervous here in the White Mtns. Having lived through the Wallow fire my heart hurts for these people.
Have I told you my evacuation story?
We left our homes at 11:00 p.m. in the dark of night. Ash was hitting me in the face as I climbed into the truck. I looked back at my house wondering if I would ever see it again.
We took all our children and grandchildren and treked to Salt lake City, deciding if we had to leave we may as well make it a vacation.
We stayed at the Grand America Hotel. We told them of our situation and they sent a huge fruit tray to our room with their sympathies.

The next day we took the trolley to Temple Square, to see the Joseph Smith movie. The sister at the booth said " No movie today". I was so sad!
She then said, " Go down to the Lobby, Its the 100th birthday of the Joseph Smith Memorial Bldg. and the Prophet will be there to cut the cake.
He rubbed my grandson's head and showed him how he could wiggle his ears. Then bent down and shook another Grandson't hand.
Tender mercies for a group of evacuees!
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Re: FIRES!

Postby Alpine » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:42 am

Oh my heart bleeds for these people!
Looks like I'll be having humble pie for every meal!
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Re: FIRES!

Postby DrJones » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:49 am

Juliette wrote:We have been so nervous here in the White Mtns. Having lived through the Wallow fire my heart hurts for these people.
Have I told you my evacuation story?
We left our homes at 11:00 p.m. in the dark of night. Ash was hitting me in the face as I climbed into the truck. I looked back at my house wondering if I would ever see it again.
We took all our children and grandchildren and treked to Salt lake City, deciding if we had to leave we may as well make it a vacation.
We stayed at the Grand America Hotel. We told them of our situation and they sent a huge fruit tray to our room with their sympathies.

The next day we took the trolley to Temple Square, to see the Joseph Smith movie. The sister at the booth said " No movie today". I was so sad!
She then said, " Go down to the Lobby, Its the 100th birthday of the Joseph Smith Memorial Bldg. and the Prophet will be there to cut the cake.
He rubbed my grandson's head and showed him how he could wiggle his ears. Then bent down and shook another Grandson't hand.
Tender mercies for a group of evacuees!


Juliette, is this your story, or another's? touching, thanks.
Also, which Prophet? President Hinckley?
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Re: FIRES!

Postby Juliette » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:58 am

DrJones wrote:
Juliette wrote:We have been so nervous here in the White Mtns. Having lived through the Wallow fire my heart hurts for these people.
Have I told you my evacuation story?
We left our homes at 11:00 p.m. in the dark of night. Ash was hitting me in the face as I climbed into the truck. I looked back at my house wondering if I would ever see it again.
We took all our children and grandchildren and treked to Salt lake City, deciding if we had to leave we may as well make it a vacation.
We stayed at the Grand America Hotel. We told them of our situation and they sent a huge fruit tray to our room with their sympathies.

The next day we took the trolley to Temple Square, to see the Joseph Smith movie. The sister at the booth said " No movie today". I was so sad!
She then said, " Go down to the Lobby, Its the 100th birthday of the Joseph Smith Memorial Bldg. and the Prophet will be there to cut the cake.
He rubbed my grandson's head and showed him how he could wiggle his ears. Then bent down and shook another Grandson't hand.
Tender mercies for a group of evacuees!

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Juliette, is this your story, or another's? touching, thanks.
Also, which Prophet? President Hinckley?


It is my story and it was Pres. Monson. Happened just last summer!
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Re: FIRES!

Postby farfromhome » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:02 am

"He rubbed my grandson's head - Juliette"

So you're a grandmother, Juliette -- cool!
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Postby Juliette » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:06 am

farfromhome wrote:"He rubbed my grandson's head - Juliette"

So you're a grandmother, Juliette -- cool!


HA! I have lots of Grandchildren. I liked this avatar because she has tape over her mouth. I've tried to put a real picture of me but I can't seem to downsize it enough. I've posted some pictures of my grandchildren on here. You must have missed them! Such cute kids, like their Grandma! :D
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Postby coachmarc » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:45 am

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Postby DrJones » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:02 am

Thanks for the map, Coachmarc. I wonder why Pocatello fire is not shown?


Slew of eastern Idaho homes burn in wildfire

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First Published Jun 29 2012 08:37 pm • Last Updated Jun 29 2012 11:47 pm

Pocatello, Idaho • Fire officials say 66 homes and 29 outbuildings in the eastern Idaho city of Pocatello have burned in a fast-moving wildfire.

More than 1,000 people have been evacuated from some Pocatello neighborhoods and the community of Mink Creek. The Charlotte fire started Thursday afternoon, spreading quickly through bone-dry grass and brush.


Sarah Wheeler with the Eastern Idaho Interagency Fire Center said late Friday morning that the fire is burning on just over 1,000 acres — that’s a little more than 1½ square miles — and was estimated to be about 30 percent contained. No injuries have been reported.

Officials have not released details about what may have sparked the blaze but say it is believed to be human-caused.

Parts of southern and eastern Idaho, including the Pocatello region, have been placed on a "red flag" status by the Bureau of Land Management. The status means that a combination of low humidity, high temperatures and wind has created explosive fire conditions, and people in the region should be cautious with vehicles, ammunition, fireworks and other devices that can cause fires.

The cities of Pocatello and Chubbuck have banned the sale and discharge of fireworks, and city leaders are telling residents to save any fireworks they’ve already purchased for New Year’s Eve.

A report from the National Interagency Fire Center in Boise said the Charlotte fire was showing extreme behavior, spreading quickly and sparking new, small fires some distance from the main body of flames.

Some areas have been reopened to residents, but Dianne Brush with the Pocatello Police Department said authorities could not immediately determine when it will be safe to allow everyone back to their homes.

"It is still a dangerous situation even for the firefighters," she told the Idaho State Journal, "but there are police officers in the area making sure that the homes are secure."

Evacuees were brought to schools, where they awaited news of their homes.
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Jessica Siler told KIFI-TV that her husband, Shane Siler, is a firefighter who got the call to fight the flames in his own neighborhood. He arrived to find their home was destroyed, she said.

Still, the family escaped with a few possessions — her 9-year-old daughter and 12- and 14-year-old sons grabbed their musical instruments as they evacuated the home.

"I asked the kids, ‘Go get anything you want to keep. We got a couple minutes.’ ... And they went and picked up all their musical instruments and very little else," she said.

Power lines and phone lines are down in the area, Brush said, but some residents were allowed back into the neighborhoods with photo identification if they needed to pick up medication or have another emergency.

"It’s been heartbreaking talking to these people that have lost the homes," she said.
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Postby coachmarc » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:06 am

DrJones, could be that it was created before the Pocatello Fire. I pulled the image from Facebook. I still can't find a current map with all the news/fires. Would be nice to be able to track all of them in a single story.
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Postby DrJones » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:15 am

coachmarc wrote:DrJones, could be that it was created before the Pocatello Fire. I pulled the image from Facebook. I still can't find a current map with all the news/fires. Would be nice to be able to track all of them in a single story.


Thanks -- the map below seems to cover them pretty well (just found it):
http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp
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Re: FIRES!

Postby buffalo_girl » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:48 pm

Nearly every day this past week we have had storm systems form to the south and to the west. We have also had nearly constant jet traffic. None of the storms have fully developed into rain producing cells. Our pastures and crops are at a critical point. Since we had so little snow last winter, even our springs are going dry.

Hate to imagine the tall grass plains catching fire!
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Re: FIRES!

Postby sbsion » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:54 pm

we aint seen nothing yet, wait until the earthquakes start..btw Dr., you guys get them all the time, just need to intensify them
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Postby DrJones » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:05 pm

sbsion wrote:we aint seen nothing yet, wait until the earthquakes start..btw Dr., you guys get them all the time, just need to intensify them


I'm afraid you're right there, sbsion...

From tonights news:

Closed captioning of: Relentless heat blankets much of US


>> [how long] does the heatwave last? for more we turn to mike seidel in washington, d.c. what's the holiday week look like?

>> today was another scorcher. nearly 50 million americans melted in triple-digit heat. how about atlanta living up to the name of hotlanta today. an all-time high of 106 degrees. it should be that hot today in phoenix. following the 109 in nashville, they cooled off to 106. st. louis so far is 105, the third triple-digit day in a row. this air mass is dry so we don't get the 110, 115 heat indices that are killers. sunday, more of the same. 100 degrees in 23 states, and although these highs are two to three degrees cooler across the board, we're talking about records and temperatures 15 degrees warmer than average for july 1st . there's your fourth forecast. the core, this big dome of high pressure shifts to the middle of the country. that's where you have 100-degree temperatures. back east a cooler forecast with highs in the 80s and 90s and a chance of thunderstorms for the 4th. kate.

>> you know it's bad when the 90s sound good. mike,

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As temperatures again reached triple digits Saturday, millions of people in the Mid-Atlantic and Midwest were without power after violent storms toppled trees, cut power lines and killed at least 13 people, 6 of them in Virginia.
Ohio also saw up to 1 million homes and businesses without power due to overnight storms, and at least one person died there.
Two cousins, ages 2 and 7, were killed by a falling tree at a campsite in New Jersey's Parvin State Park. Two people were also killed in Maryland, one in Kentucky and one in Washington.
Five other deaths in recent days are thought to have been tied to the heat wave hanging over much of the nation.
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An uprooted tree is seen Saturday after it damaged a home in Washington's American University neighborhood. The tree also cut a power line.
100-degree plus temperatures were expected in areas across 25 states, a heat scenario impacting 47 million people, the Weather Channel's Julie Martin said on NBC's TODAY show.
By early Saturday afternoon, cities across the Southeast -- from Tennessee to the Carolinas -- saw triple digits, while Washington, D.C. was in the 90s and Baltimore at 100.
Atlanta saw 106 degrees, breaking its all-time record of 105 degrees, set in 1980.
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The storms cut power more than 2 million homes and businesses across the Mid-Atlantic area -- including 1.5 million in the Washington, D.C., area, NBCWashington.com reported.
"We have more than half our system down," said Myra Oppel, a spokeswoman for Pepco, a utility serving the D.C. area that had 400,000 customers without power after 80 mph gusts knocked down trees and power lines.
"This is definitely going to be a multi-day outage," Oppel added -- not good news for those relying on air-conditioning to deal with the muggy, triple-digit temperatures this weekend.

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West Virginia Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin declared a state of emergency after more than 500,000 customers in 27 counties were left without electricity because of the storm.

More than 20 elderly residents at an apartment home in Indianapolis were displaced when the facility lost power due to a downed tree.

In Ohio, the storms damaged property and toppled three tractor trailers on Interstate 75 near Findlay.

"I'm in Columbus, Ohio," Brittney Mettke posted on msnbc.com's Facebook page. "I haven't had power since 6 pm yesterday and it's about 100 degrees now. It's pretty tough with a toddler. More storms tonight, and temps in the high nineties all week. They are saying about to week to restore power."
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Re: FIRES! and extreme WEATHER

Postby A Random Phrase » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:42 pm

Heck, we have 106*+ every summer, and I'm sure the Phoenix and Tucson areas are hotter. No big deal to me.
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Re: FIRES! and extreme WEATHER

Postby DrJones » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:30 pm

A Random Phrase wrote:Heck, we have 106*+ every summer, and I'm sure the Phoenix and Tucson areas are hotter. No big deal to me.


In Nashville and east of the Mississippi generally, it's heat PLUS HUMIDITY...

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As Farms Bite the Dust, "Megadrought" May Be the New Normal in the Southwest
My current perch in Placitas, New Mexico feels like a front-row seat to the apocalypse.
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In a dirt parking lot near Many Farms, Arizona, a Navajo farmer sold me a mutton burrito. He hasn't used his tractor in two years, he told me, and is cooking instead of farming because "there isn't any water." He pointed east at the Chuska mountain range, which straddles the New Mexico border. In a normal year, water coming off the mountains reaches his fields, he said.

But this might be the new normal for the American Southwest, writes William deBuys in his new book, A Great Aridness. It was published late last year, months after one of the Southwest's driest summers in recorded history, during which fires of unprecedented size scorched hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. This summer is worse than last; forest fires have already broken last year's records. The rains haven't come, and temperature records are falling like leaves from a dried-up tree. Springs, wells and irrigation ditches are bone dry. Farms are withering. We've all heard the gloomy scenarios of global warming: extreme weather, drought, famine, breakdown of society, destruction of civilization.

My current perch in Placitas, New Mexico feels like a front-row seat to the apocalypse.

Intuitive as the connection may seem, we don't know if the current drought is a consequence of global warming, deBuys writes. Periodic, decades-long droughts have been relatively common in the last few thousand years, according to analysis of dried lake beds. Most of the area's famously collapsed civilizations--Chaco Canyon, Mesa Verde, the Galisteo pueblos--are thought to have died out for lack of water in these extended dry periods, which deBuys calls "megadroughts."

By contrast, the last century's human population growth in the American Southwest occurred during a relatively wet period in the climactic record. We were due for another megadrought sooner or later, deBuys writes, which could be expected to dramatically alter human settlement patterns in the area. While this current heat may not be caused by global warming, he writes, climate change could nonetheless trigger the next megadrought.

In the Sandia Mountains above Placitas, last winter's snowpack was relatively high. But the spring runoff never came, because the snow evaporated straight into the air of the hottest spring on record.

Lynn Montgomery has been farming in Placitas for more than 40 years. Like many farmers in northern New Mexico, he irrigates his land with water from an acequia, a type of canal system implemented by Spaniards, who'd adopted the technique from the Moors. This year, for the second year in a row, Montgomery's acequia has run dry. Last year summer rains came in time to save his crops, but this year the rains haven't come. The ditch is dry. His farm is dying.

First to go were the young Italian prune trees. His more established pear trees were next. Now, his decades-old grape vines are dropping their fruit and clinging to their lives. The 30-year-old asparagus patch is toast, as are the perennial herbs, garlic and strawberries, along with everything he planted this spring. Even the weeds are dead.

The farm was part of a thriving community in the '60s and '70s. Most of the inhabitants drifted away, or ran away, or got dragged away by the police. Montgomery was the last man standing. He sold the farm to the local Pueblo Indian tribe, on the condition that they assume ownership after his death, and spent the proceeds paying lawyers to enforce water law around Placitas. He managed to stop several developments that would have illegally taxed the fragile aquifer.

Despite his successes, which included a victory at the New Mexico Supreme Court, many wells were drilled, especially in the 1980s and 1990s, dropping the water table to the point at which many springs in Placitas began running dry, along with the acequias they feed. Montgomery's neighbors, with the turn of a tap, can water their grass and wash their cars thanks to the wells that killed the spring that feeds his acequia. But it's only a matter of time, he told me, until they feel his pain.

"At that point all the bedroom community types will realize that the real estate people have bamboozled them, and most of us too," he said, referring to the Placitas real estate boom of the late 20th century.

Harold Trujillo is member of an acequia near Mora, New Mexico. All the acequias in his Sangre de Cristo mountain valley, near the headwaters of the Pecos River, are dry, he told me by phone. Before this year, the worst he remembered was 2002, which, according to the Colorado state engineer's office was the region's driest year in the last 300.

"In 2002 there were natural ponds that never dried up. Cows could drink out of them. Now those ponds are dry. People have been digging them deeper with backhoes to get them to fill with water," Trujillo said.

Tempers are getting short. Trujillo said he was verbally threatened last weekend at Morphy Lake, the reservoir his acequia association helped build.

"We were opening Morphy Lake to get water in the river. These people wanted us to open it more, so more water would flow into the river. But we can't. We need to save some water for July and August, because we don't know if it's going to rain or not."

Even if the next megadrought has already begun, deBuys says, we wouldn't know it yet. "The character of a drought becomes clear only retrospectively." Either way, he suggests, our decisions for the future should be the same.

"Building resilience against drought into the region's water systems and cultural practices would be a wise course, irrespective of the cause or timing of the next emergency," he writes.

To that end, Lynn Montgomery is scraping together the resources to re-tool his farm to be more efficient with water. He's installed a holding tank, in which he'll be able to store precious acequia flow in future years, before it goes dry again. And he's switching from traditional flood irrigation, the way it's always been done in Placitas, to more efficient drip tape. It remains to be seen whether his adaptations, and his resilience, will be enough to help him face the new normal.
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Re: FIRES! and extreme WEATHER

Postby A Random Phrase » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:21 pm

DrJones wrote:
A Random Phrase wrote:Heck, we have 106*+ every summer, and I'm sure the Phoenix and Tucson areas are hotter. No big deal to me.


In Nashville and east of the Mississippi generally, it's heat PLUS HUMIDITY...


I thought about that after I logged out.

Out here, it's usually a dry heat so we can sweat and cool off. Out there, it's different and the heat is harder to handle.
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Re: FIRES! and extreme WEATHER

Postby uglypitbull » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:43 pm

Dr Jones, could these be a relevant repercussion from spraying all that aluminum oxide in our skies? I have read that these nano particles effectively split the water molecule, rendering it not heavy enough to form a rain droplet that would fall to the ground. The water just simply re-evaporates and moves eastward with the jet stream.
I have also read that this may very well be the cause of the level of intensity in these fires over the last decade, as aluminum oxide is extremely flammable. There would most certainly be a fine layer of this all over the earth.
Just curious to know if you have any insight as to the validity of these explanations.
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Postby Kaarno » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:55 pm

Add one for Cache county I am watching a small wildfire in millville canyon. Thankfully no homes are threatened at this time.
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Re: FIRES! and extreme WEATHER

Postby DrJones » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:50 am

uglypitbull wrote:Dr Jones, could these be a relevant repercussion from spraying all that aluminum oxide in our skies?....


I have looked into chemtrails, and seen a fair amount of evidence. Plus my own observations of jets in the sky -- some producing LONG-lasting trails, others at the same time producing trails that disappear quickly. I don't know what effects these have on the weather, but it makes sense that there may be long-term effects.

Jesus said "Consider the lilies" -- IOW, keep your eyes open and observe!
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Re: FIRES! and extreme WEATHER

Postby DrJones » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:52 am

Newt Gingrich on D.C. Weather: 'Mild Taste of What an EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) Attack Would Do'
11:44 AM, Jul 2, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER

Newt Gingrich issued a warning, based on the destructive storms that hit the Washington, D.C. area over the weekend, on Twitter:

Friend and coauthor bill forstchen notes washington-baltimore blackout mild taste of what an emp (electromagnetic pulse) attack would do

— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) July 2, 2012

And, later, the former Republican presidential candidate added:

Forstchen's novel "one second after" is an amazingly vivid story ofsmall town's struggles after all electricity has been destroyed by emp

— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) July 2, 2012

"Crews are working 24/7 to restore power to roughly 650,000 homes and businesses with electricity three days after a rare derecho storm blew through the area, downing trees and electric lines," WTOP reports. "The number of outages Monday morning has been climbing, rather than declining."
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Postby sadie_Mormon » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:20 pm

...and in my neck of the woods. 3 million still without power & 22 dead. Horrible heat mixed with humidity and thunderstorms for the next 2 weeks. I was in MD this weekend at the beach and we had the most perfect weekend weather wise. We had no clue what was happening around us!


At least 22 dead after US storms cut power in East

WASHINGTON (AP) — Millions of people in a swath of states along the East Coast and farther west went into a third sweltering day without power Monday after a round of summer storms that killed more than a dozen people.

The outages left many to contend with stifling homes and spoiled food over the weekend as temperatures approached or exceeded 100 degrees.

Around 2 million customers from North Carolina to New Jersey and as far west as Illinois were without power Monday morning. And utility officials said the power would likely be out for several more days. Since Friday, severe weather has been blamed for at least 22 deaths, most from trees falling on homes and cars.

The power outages had prompted concerns of traffic problems as commuters took to roads with darkened stoplights. But throughout northern Virginia, there was less traffic than normal in many places Monday as federal workers took advantage of liberal leave that was put in place for the day.

To alleviate traffic congestion around Baltimore and Washington, federal and state officials gave many workers the option of staying home Monday. Maryland's governor also gave state workers wide leeway for staying out of the office.

"It was less traffic," said D.C. resident Rob Lavender, who commuted to Arlington County from the district. "It's more hectic on a regular day."

There were scattered stoplight outages and some transit delays for Maryland commuters headed into Washington.

"It was a mess," said Jason Lynch, a 23-year-old Energy Department software developer.

He counted at least three malfunctioning stoplights during his two-mile bus ride from Colesville to the Glenmont stop on Washington's Metro subway system.

"The light coming out of my neighborhood was blinking red, and it was blinking yellow for the main direction of traffic," he said. "People would still get confused. At the yellow light, they would stop and let people at the red light go, and the people behind them would honk at them."

There were more than 400 signal outages in Maryland on Monday, including more than 330 in hard-hit Montgomery County outside the nation's capital, according to the State Highway Administration. There were 100 signal outages in northern Virginia late Sunday afternoon, and 65 roads were closed, although most were secondary roads.

"If you have to drive or need to drive, leave yourself a lot of extra time," Maryland State Highway Administration spokesman Charlie Gischlar said. "There's going to be delays."

Some drivers resorted to ingenuity to get to work. On a residential street in suburban Falls Church, Va., just outside Washington, downed trees blocked the road on either side. Neighbors used chain saws to cut a makeshift path on one side, but the other remained completely blocked by a massive oak tree.

"They kind of forgot about us out here," resident Eric Nesson said.

Still, residents took the aggravation with good humor. Posted on the oak tree was a sign saying: "Free firewood you haul." The tree lay across a smashed Ford pickup truck, with a sign reading: "For SALE. Recently lowered."

On Sunday night in North Carolina, a 77-year-old man was killed when strong winds collapsed a Pitt County barn where he was parking an all-terrain vehicle, authorities said. In neighboring Beaufort County, a couple was killed when a tree fell on the golf cart they were driving. Officials said trees fell onto dozens of houses, and two hangars were destroyed at an airport in Beaufort County.

The damage was mostly blamed on straight-line winds, which are strong gusts pushed ahead of fast-moving thunderstorms like a wall of wind.

Elsewhere, at least 10 of the dead were killed in Virginia, including a 90-year-old woman asleep in her bed when a tree slammed into her home. Two young cousins in New Jersey were killed when a tree fell on their tent while camping. Two were killed in Maryland, one in Ohio, one in Kentucky and one in Washington.

In West Virginia, authorities said one person died early Sunday when the all-terrain vehicle they were riding hit a tree that had fallen over a road.

For survivors, it was a challenge to stay cool over the weekend.

From Atlanta to Baltimore, temperatures approached or exceeded triple digits. Atlanta set a record with a high of 105 degrees, while the temperature hit 99 at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport just outside the nation's capital. With no air conditioning, officials urged residents to check on their elderly relatives and neighbors. It was tough to find a free pump at gas stations that did have power, and lines of cars snaked around fast-food drive-thrus.

Power crews from as far away as Florida and Oklahoma were on their way to the mid-Atlantic region to help get the power back on and the air conditioners running again. Even if people have generators, the gas-run devices often don't have enough power to operate an air conditioner.

And power restoration was spotty: Several people interviewed by The Associated Press said they remained without power even though the lights were on at neighbors' homes across the street. In Maryland, Gov. O'Malley promised he would push utility companies to get electricity restored as quickly as possible.

"No one will have his boot further up Pepco's and BGE's backsides than I will," O'Malley said Sunday afternoon, referring to the two main utilities serving Maryland.

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Postby buffalo_girl » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:25 pm

According to the study below...

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/ther ... idues.html

The most familiar aluminothermic material is thermite, a mixture of a powdered metallic fuel such as aluminum, and a powdered oxide of another metal such as iron or copper. The thermite reaction involves the transfer of oxygen from the oxidizer (metal oxide) to the fuel (metal).

Because oxygen atoms bind more tightly to aluminum atoms than to iron or copper atoms, the reaction releases large amounts of energy and is described as highly exothermic.


With the amount of aluminum particulate, along with other conductive elements, being spewed across the landscape who knows what the outcome can be? I do know from 10 years observation there is a direct correlation between tanker jet activity and drought.

The following lists of papers regarding wildfire & geoengineering might provide some insight.

http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition. ... /wildfires

http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition. ... ngineering
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Re: FIRES! and extreme WEATHER

Postby bobhenstra » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:11 pm

There were droughts long before there were jets and contrails! This nation wide drought will only stop when the people as a nation repent!

Just a mile from my cabin fresh clear water gushes out from a hole in the rock, there are several springs and ponds nearby. A few miles up our canyon there's another just like it.

Directly East of Genola, about four miles, is Dry Mountain. It was called that because there was no water on the mountain. Years ago a miner following a seam into the base of Dry Mountain hit water, a lot of water, that water and place are now called Spring Lake. The water from the mine pools there, then runs several miles to Utah Lake.

I'm keeping a close eye on these natural and one man made springs.

Dry Mountain is largely made up of limestone. The limestone creates a dam holding the water inside the mountain, the miner give that water a release. Drilling horizontally into the base of a mountain through the limestone dam often gives the same results.

Here in Genola our tap water is pumped from an aquifer fed by Utah Lake. It's deep, so were not all that worried about our water home supply, except, electricity is require to pump the water. Another smaller mountain called West Mountain is about 7 miles from my cabin, there's water trapped in that mountain!

When AHBL, I'll move in with my oldest son who lives mush closer to West Mountain than I do. There are natural springs below his home which tell us there is water trapped in West Mountain. We have a plan to tap that water when the time comes, and it looks to be right around the corner!

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Postby DrJones » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:19 pm

Thanks for the updates. Our daughter in Md said Church was canceled yesterday due to no power at the building.

Bob, sounds like a plan!
When AHBL, I'll move in with my oldest son who lives mush closer to West Mountain than I do. There are natural springs below his home which tell us there is water trapped in West Mountain. We have a plan to tap that water when the time comes, and it looks to be right around the corner!

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Postby SARAH Ward » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:56 pm

Bob, Any property for sale at Spring Lake and West Mountain? Are there fault lines?
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Postby bobhenstra » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:51 pm

Sarah, Spring Lake is at the base of dry mountain and is right on the Wasatch fault line. There's a small amount of property for sale in Genola, we're South and West of the mountain called West Mountain. The East side of West Mountain is now part of Payson, I haven't been over there for awhile, so I don't know whats for sale. There's several pretty nice homes for sale in this area, but we're not that far from earthquake faults. Throughout the years we've had minor earthquake swarms several times. However, earthquakes can happen anywhere, the church was built on the Wasatch fault! I trust the Lord!

Lonny and Erika Ward live across the street from me!

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Postby HeirofNumenor » Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:57 am

bobhenstra wrote:Sarah, Spring Lake is at the base of dry mountain and is right on the Wasatch fault line. There's a small amount of property for sale in Genola, we're South and West of the mountain called West Mountain. The East side of West Mountain is now part of Payson, I haven't been over there for awhile, so I don't know whats for sale. There's several pretty nice homes for sale in this area, but we're not that far from earthquake faults. Throughout the years we've had minor earthquake swarms several times. However, earthquakes can happen anywhere, the church was built on the Wasatch fault! I trust the Lord!

Lonny and Erika Ward live across the street from me!

Bob



I though West Mountain was the big on on the West side of the lake above Saratoga Springs - the mountain that always catches fire...What is that one called?
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Postby shadow » Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:30 pm

Kaarno wrote:Add one for Cache county I am watching a small wildfire in millville canyon. Thankfully no homes are threatened at this time.

We watched that one from our back yard. I was about as excited as the kids were watching the helicopters drop water and the plane drop retardant. It's a miracle that the wind wasn't blowing like it had been every evening for the last 2 weeks.
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