Its out of my hands now!

[Fairmindedcaptain of 1,000]

On a totally unrelated note, when I was in Priest's Quorum playing church ball our team wasn't good. It just really, really wasn't all that remarkable. I think we won zero games the entire season. But we all enjoyed playing basketball and I can't speak for anyone else but I didn't really care about the losing streak, I just liked playing.

Near the end of the season we played against a Ward that was completely demolishing everyone else in the Stake. Just really good players all around. And as you would expect, the game didn't go all that well. I remember looking at the scoreboard at around halftime and it was 52-6. I stopped keeping track after that, but it didn't get any better.

The crazy thing was, that bigshot team had like fifty people on the stage cheering them on. I mean they really had a lot of support, probably because they were winning. It felt pretty lonely for our team. And you could tell their supporters were enthusiastic because-

Hold on a second, I want to emphasize this.

And you could tell their supporters were enthusiastic because they cheered every single basket the other team made as if it was a tiebreaker point at the buzzer. EVERY. SINGLE. BASKET.

So me and my buddies are losing to a humiliating degree, and these guys think supporting their team means rubbing our humiliation in it the entire time. Poor sportsmanship doesn't even begin to describe it. It almost felt vindictive, as if they personally hated us for being on the other team.

I could compare that analogy to politics and draw some obvious conclusions, but I'll just say it makes me sad that some people treat political campaigns as an opportunity to get competitive with the "other team" in the most unpleasant way imaginable. Almost as if they've forgotten that it's all our freedom and prosperity at stake and if the wrong person gets elected it turns out we're all losers.

Oh what am I even saying, maybe politics is exactly like my old church ball games: win or lose, it has exactly 0 effect on what's going on in this country.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

I don't agree Fair, having a Priesthood holder will make a big difference in our country. However, I expect bad events happening in our country after Romney's election, I suspect the Obama supporters will cause serious problems claiming racism cost O the election!

Hope I'm wrong, but I believe the Wall street protest thing will go full bore after O is defeated!

Bob

[Legioncaptain of 1,000]

I don't agree Fair, having a Priesthood holder will make a big difference in our country. However, I expect bad events happening in our country after Romney's election, I suspect the Obama supporters will cause serious problems claiming racism cost O the election!

Hope I'm wrong, but I believe the Wall street protest thing will go full bore after O is defeated!

Bob

Not to mention the libertarians having an excuse to go completely anti-government....

[uglypitbullcaptain of 1,000]

Read a pretty funny article about 5 dominant personalities..... here is one of them. Sound like anyone you know?

Deniers

With slightly more cognitive capability than Zombies, Deniers are the functional but ignorant masses who live out their meaningless lives in total denial of reality. They can still manage to hold down jobs and even dress themselves, so most Deniers are middle-class working people you might find employed at the local Wal-Mart, insurance company or TSA hub. Unlike Zombies, Deniers can speak in partial sentences and order from fast food menus. ("Idiocracy" speak.)

Astonishingly, Deniers watch network news and literally believe what they are watching. To the Deniers, there are no "conspiracies." All governments are good. Drug companies are trying to help people, not exploit them for profit. U.S. Senators are "honorable" and the War on Drugs is a huge success!

Deniers believe there is no such thing as black market organ trafficking, child sex slave trafficking in the USA, child kidnapping by CPS workers, or government-run false flag attacks on civilian populations. Deniers are completely unaware that U.S. troops literally help grow the opium crops in Afghanistan, that vaccines are laced with cancer-causing stealth viruses, or that the so-called "fluoride" dumped into the municipal water supply is actually a deadly cocktail of industrial chemicals and neurotoxic heavy metals.

Deniers like to think of themselves as "trendy" and they worship trendy pop culture figures like Steve Jobs. Deniers are driven primarily by the desire to be assimilated into the group think by speaking, behaving and even dressing exactly like everyone else around them. Their need for social acceptance outweighs their need for critical thinking. To them, individuation is horrifying.

As a result, Deniers have become surprisingly competent at burying their heads in the sand and pretending no problems exist, even while they are being soft-killed by the governments and corporations all around them. What, me worry? What global debt Ponzi scheme? What national debt? What Fukushima fallout? Look, another football game is on! Another TV show is on! My girlfriend is texting me! Who has time for reality when living in a delusional world is so entertaining and trendy?

Summary of the Denier Archetype:
Cognitive capabilities: Medium-Low.
Moral compass: Malleable. Does whatever the group tells them.
Desired agenda: Get along and fit in. Be popular.
Worships: Material wealth. Fashion. Cars.
Typical dress: Business casual.
When you're not looking, they will: Spread false gossip about you.

source: http://www.naturalnews.com/036159_zombi ... niers.html

[liberty_bellecaptain of 100]

Question to Libertybelle... how did you become a delegate? I don't think I've ever known that. Just wondering.

1. The first step for me was to be an elected Precinct Committeeman so that I would have a say in who was elected or not by my voting for them.

2. Our County was alloted 58 delegates, I applied to be a delegate and then attended our County meeting. I was then elected as a State Delegate

3. I could have applied to be a National Delegate, but it was 3-5k to go if you get elected and I could not afford to do that.

4. In an honest election, National Delegates are then voted on by the State Delegates at the State Convention. Those with the highest votes are then chosen to be the National Delegates that go to the RNC.

[liberty_bellecaptain of 100]

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/13/47402.htm

Wednesday, June 13, 2012Last Update: 12:15 PM PT

GOP Delegates Revolt Against Romney & RNC
By REBEKAH KEARN

SANTA ANA, Calif. (CN) - In a revolt against Romney, 123 would-be convention delegates claim the Republican National Committee has used violence, intimidation and ballot stuffing to deter them from voting for the candidate of their choice on every ballot at the national convention, including the first.
All 123 named plaintiffs are from states in the 9th Circuit. They sued the Republican National Committee, its Chairman Reince Priebus, and every state party chairman in the 9th Circuit.
"Plaintiffs are delegates elected to nominate the Republican nominee for president of the United States at a national convention to be held commencing the week of August 27, 2012, in Tampa, Florida," the complaint states.
"Names [sic - recte: Named] plaintiffs and plaintiffs identified as Does 1 through 1,000 are residents of the United States, including all states within the jurisdiction of the 9th Circuit Federal Court who are duly elected delegates, alternate delegates, delegates elected by being denied certification due to their refusal to surrender their voting rights to vote in accordance with the free exercise of their conscience and not be bound to the nominee of defendant's choice."
The Republican rebels say they want to be "unbound to vote their conscience free from any intimidation from any person or entity."
The complaint continues: "Plaintiffs come to Federal Court to seek the guidance of the court regarding the federal question as to whether plaintiffs are free to vote their conscience on the first and all ballots at the federal election known as the Republican National Convention, or whether plaintiffs are bound to vote for a particular candidate as instructed by defendants' state party bylaws, or state laws, or the preference of political operatives seeking affidavits of loyalty to a particular candidate under penalty of perjury."
Citing 42 U.S.C., the plaintiffs claim it is illegal to try to force people to vote for a specific candidate: "'No person, whether acting under the color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of president.'"
But the Republican mavericks claim that in almost every state, the defendants have violated this law by harassing delegates who don't support Mitt Romney.
"This harassment included the use of violence, intimidating demands that delegates sign affidavits under penalty of perjury with the threat of criminal prosecution for perjury as well as financial penalties and fines if the delegate fails to vote as instructed by defendants rather than vote the delegate's conscience ...
"Defendants have used threats of violence, including dressing security type people in dark clothing searching out supporters of a candidate defendants do not approve of to harass and intimidate said delegates from voting their conscience."
They claim that Romney does not have the nomination sewed up despite the machinations of the defendants: "The Republican National Committee (hereafter RNC) and its chairman have been aiding the Governor Romney Campaign for at least 6 months up to and including the present time, notwithstanding that no candidate has won the nomination. Governor Romney does not have 1,144 delegates, the minimum number of delegates required to win the nomination, and no candidate can be assured that they are the nominee until the delegates vote because the delegates have a statutory and constitutional right to vote their conscience."
The plaintiffs accuse state party chairmen of fixing elections and changing ballot results so that all votes will count for Romney.
"Plaintiffs allege there has been a systematic campaign of election fraud at state conventions, including programming a voting machine in Arizona to count Ron Paul votes as Governor Romney votes; ballot stuffing, meaning the same person casting several ballots in several states; altering and falsifying ballot totals for each candidate; the use of violence at several state conventions; [and] altering procedural rules to prevent votes from being cast for Ron Paul," the complaint states.
They claim that the RNC and its chairman "intimidate delegates in support of the RNC's position that Governor Romney is the nominee of the party when Governor Romney does not have the minimum number of delegates and no vote has yet taken place and the convention has not begun."
They claim that delegates who refuse to sign loyalty affidavits to Romney "are told they may not serve as delegates, even though they were duly elected."
The plaintiffs ask the court to order the RNC to inform delegates that they can vote for the candidate of their choice; to reinstate delegates who lost their seats at the convention because they refused to sign loyalty affidavits; and to recount ballots by hand or hold another convention in areas "where the sanctity of the ballots are untrustworthy."
"Without the orders requested from this court, plaintiffs will be denied their right to vote in accordance with their conscience on the first and all ballots of the federal election that is the Convention of the Republican Party," the complaint states.
The delegates are represented by Richard Gilbert & Marlowe, who did not return calls seeking comment.

[Kandeepcaptain of 50]

1. The first step for me was to be an elected Precinct Committeeman so that I would have a say in who was elected or not by my voting for them.

So this is an elected position designated to act for or represent another or others, like a State representative or any other. Right? This is elected through the party precinct or through the district?

2. Our County was alloted 58 delegates, I applied to be a delegate and then attended our County meeting. I was then elected as a State Delegate

So it's an elected position on different levels making you one of many delegates to represent the party at the state convention?

3. I could have applied to be a National Delegate, but it was 3-5k to go if you get elected and I could not afford to do that.

OUCH! That's a lot of dough.

4. In an honest election, National Delegates are then voted on by the State Delegates at the State Convention. Those with the highest votes are then chosen to be the National Delegates that go to the RNC.

To represent your specific district/precinct then or to represent yourself?

I'm not trying to be thick here just trying to clarify to make sure I understand.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/13/47402.htm

Wednesday, June 13, 2012Last Update: 12:15 PM PT

GOP Delegates Revolt Against Romney & RNC
By REBEKAH KEARN

SANTA ANA, Calif. (CN) - In a revolt against Romney, 123 would-be convention delegates claim the Republican National Committee has used violence, intimidation and ballot stuffing to deter them from voting for the candidate of their choice on every ballot at the national convention, including the first.
All 123 named plaintiffs are from states in the 9th Circuit. They sued the Republican National Committee, its Chairman Reince Priebus, and every state party chairman in the 9th Circuit.
"Plaintiffs are delegates elected to nominate the Republican nominee for president of the United States at a national convention to be held commencing the week of August 27, 2012, in Tampa, Florida," the complaint states.
"Names [sic - recte: Named] plaintiffs and plaintiffs identified as Does 1 through 1,000 are residents of the United States, including all states within the jurisdiction of the 9th Circuit Federal Court who are duly elected delegates, alternate delegates, delegates elected by being denied certification due to their refusal to surrender their voting rights to vote in accordance with the free exercise of their conscience and not be bound to the nominee of defendant's choice."
The Republican rebels say they want to be "unbound to vote their conscience free from any intimidation from any person or entity."
The complaint continues: "Plaintiffs come to Federal Court to seek the guidance of the court regarding the federal question as to whether plaintiffs are free to vote their conscience on the first and all ballots at the federal election known as the Republican National Convention, or whether plaintiffs are bound to vote for a particular candidate as instructed by defendants' state party bylaws, or state laws, or the preference of political operatives seeking affidavits of loyalty to a particular candidate under penalty of perjury."
Citing 42 U.S.C., the plaintiffs claim it is illegal to try to force people to vote for a specific candidate: "'No person, whether acting under the color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of president.'"
But the Republican mavericks claim that in almost every state, the defendants have violated this law by harassing delegates who don't support Mitt Romney.
"This harassment included the use of violence, intimidating demands that delegates sign affidavits under penalty of perjury with the threat of criminal prosecution for perjury as well as financial penalties and fines if the delegate fails to vote as instructed by defendants rather than vote the delegate's conscience ...
"Defendants have used threats of violence, including dressing security type people in dark clothing searching out supporters of a candidate defendants do not approve of to harass and intimidate said delegates from voting their conscience."
They claim that Romney does not have the nomination sewed up despite the machinations of the defendants: "The Republican National Committee (hereafter RNC) and its chairman have been aiding the Governor Romney Campaign for at least 6 months up to and including the present time, notwithstanding that no candidate has won the nomination. Governor Romney does not have 1,144 delegates, the minimum number of delegates required to win the nomination, and no candidate can be assured that they are the nominee until the delegates vote because the delegates have a statutory and constitutional right to vote their conscience."
The plaintiffs accuse state party chairmen of fixing elections and changing ballot results so that all votes will count for Romney.
"Plaintiffs allege there has been a systematic campaign of election fraud at state conventions, including programming a voting machine in Arizona to count Ron Paul votes as Governor Romney votes; ballot stuffing, meaning the same person casting several ballots in several states; altering and falsifying ballot totals for each candidate; the use of violence at several state conventions; [and] altering procedural rules to prevent votes from being cast for Ron Paul," the complaint states.
They claim that the RNC and its chairman "intimidate delegates in support of the RNC's position that Governor Romney is the nominee of the party when Governor Romney does not have the minimum number of delegates and no vote has yet taken place and the convention has not begun."
They claim that delegates who refuse to sign loyalty affidavits to Romney "are told they may not serve as delegates, even though they were duly elected."
The plaintiffs ask the court to order the RNC to inform delegates that they can vote for the candidate of their choice; to reinstate delegates who lost their seats at the convention because they refused to sign loyalty affidavits; and to recount ballots by hand or hold another convention in areas "where the sanctity of the ballots are untrustworthy."
"Without the orders requested from this court, plaintiffs will be denied their right to vote in accordance with their conscience on the first and all ballots of the federal election that is the Convention of the Republican Party," the complaint states.
The delegates are represented by Richard Gilbert & Marlowe, who did not return calls seeking comment.

Nothing but more paulistas causing trouble! California is a winner take all state, Romney won, therefore he gets all the delegates! The paulistas are attempting to steal delegate slots they didn't earn!

THIS, these types of crooked immoral actions are what we would have got had Ron Paul been a viable candidate multiplied 10 fold. We expect the same trouble here in Utah in July, paulistas demanding what is not theirs, not representing the will of the primary voters, only their own selfish interests! And again, none of them will vote for the Republican nominee Mitt Romney, that was never in their plans!

Bob

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Nothing but more paulistas causing trouble! California is a winner take all state, Romney won, therefore he gets all the delegates! The paulistas are attempting to steal delegate slots they didn't earn!

THIS, these types of crooked immoral actions are what we would have got had Ron Paul been a viable candidate multiplied 10 fold. We expect the same trouble here in Utah in July, paulistas demanding what is not theirs, not representing the will of the primary voters, only their own selfish interests! And again, none of them will vote for the Republican nominee Mitt Romney, that was never in their plans!

Bob

Bob, you really are clueless, holy cow. Your boy Mitt and his people have been using tactics to prevent Ron Paul, his delegates, supporters and campaign staff from achieving anything this whole election cycle! Yeah, the lawsuits are the result of the 'paulistas' whining and crying because they lost fair and square. The Paul people and supporters have been trying to play nice, but when you've spent so much time, money and effort in this race only to have Romney and his people cheat, play hard ball and commit fraud, then it's time to react and strike back! I still can't believe you cannot see what an establishment shill Mitt is.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

You darn rights we're fighting you Flagg, you play by the rules of the individual state GOP organization or you go home! You paulistas are not playing by established state GOP rules! Now your trying to force libertarian rules on us and we're NOT going to allow it to happen!

You guys are making a serious mistake here, your creating a serious Republican backlash. You guys won't be welcome in any Republican circle! Your goals of changing the Republican party will fail! But that's alright with me, I think real Republicans should see you for what you actually are!

You change the rules before the game Flagg, not during!

You should stay in your own party Flagg!

Bob

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

It is the GOP that has been trying not to play by their own rules, bob. I'm sure you are aware of this but simply don't care! Establishment shill to the end.

When "paulistas" have gotten unruly, it was when caucus chairmen were being elected by voice vote, and when a counted vote was called for from the floor (the rules state that if this is done the chair MUST recognize the motion) and tha chair contiues on as if nothing happened, the floor erupts with booing and the chair still continues on and declares his pal the chairman. Then this same scumbag is caught ON VIDEO having a secret meeting discussing how they can stop the RON PAUL delegates from getting elected...but of course you will defend this as just and right protecting the party from "fake" Republicans.

You are the fake bobby. You have called me a libertarian I ahve NEVER voted for a single libertarian in my life, and never been a member of the party. You don;t care about stuff like facts though, you continue to bear false witness - but it's OK bobby, I FORGIVE YOU. I am convinced that you don't know better, you have simply drunk the Kool-Aid, it's not your fault that you are full of poison!

Oh, we are not going to be "welcome" are we bobby? What a stupid empty threat, like you or anyone have us "paulistas" identified and in a database. I could walk into your precinct meeting and you wouldn't have a clue. And the reverse is true also, but I am not the one making ridiculous threats of making me or anyone "not welcome".

What are you going to do, bobby? Start turning away REGISTERED REPUBLICANS if they aren't someone that you have known for years? Try to have anyone removed from the caucus that says something YOU don't agree with? Do you see how ridiculous you sound with your "chest thumping" threats of what you will do?

Here is a clue for you bobby - the Utah State GOP VICE CHAIRMAN is a long ime RON PAUL supporter and has also served as the UTAH CAMPAIGN 4 LIBERTY top coordinator. Do you know what Campaign 4 Liberty is, bobby-boy? Do you see how your huffing and puffing won't blow the brick house down? Do you see why I am laughing at you and your empty bravado and posturing?

Oh, and laugh it up with your winner, Mittens. You and your kids are going to have to live under him just as much as me and mine, but you will have the added burden of knowing that YOU HELPED PUT HIM THERE (in the unlikely event that he actually wins in November.)

And since you have been testifying about Mitt winning being all a part of God's will and plan, I guess you will have to accept that the past four years of Obamanation and also the next four years if he is elected is also God's will. God only picks winners, and everyone that wins that is a sign of God's approval, at least according to your mentality.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

Hang in there Bob! You've been right all along. This constant rhetoric is wearing. Its the same thing over and over again!
And you will continue to be correct. Did you read the post where Liberty said she couldn't wait till Mitt was president so she could start picking apart his policies? Stop that and get onboard the train. You people aren't helping anything by protesting you're loss. If you were as smart as you think you are, you could see that Mitt Romney could change things with a little help. Use you're energy in the boat thats still afloat.
You are the ones who need to GET A CLUE!

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

What ever it takes OI, whatever it takes! You may not have ever voted libertarian, but by your own words you've not voted Republican. Our people do whats needed to keep you people out of the loop. It's your only purpose to disrupt procedure, and we're not going to allow it, your nothing more than trouble makers!

Bob

[p51-mustangcaptain of 1,000]

Read a pretty funny article about 5 dominant personalities..... here is one of them. Sound like anyone you know?

Deniers

With slightly more cognitive capability than Zombies, Deniers are the functional but ignorant masses who live out their meaningless lives in total denial of reality. They can still manage to hold down jobs and even dress themselves, so most Deniers are middle-class working people you might find employed at the local Wal-Mart, insurance company or TSA hub. Unlike Zombies, Deniers can speak in partial sentences and order from fast food menus. ("Idiocracy" speak.)

Astonishingly, Deniers watch network news and literally believe what they are watching. To the Deniers, there are no "conspiracies." All governments are good. Drug companies are trying to help people, not exploit them for profit. U.S. Senators are "honorable" and the War on Drugs is a huge success!

Deniers believe there is no such thing as black market organ trafficking, child sex slave trafficking in the USA, child kidnapping by CPS workers, or government-run false flag attacks on civilian populations. Deniers are completely unaware that U.S. troops literally help grow the opium crops in Afghanistan, that vaccines are laced with cancer-causing stealth viruses, or that the so-called "fluoride" dumped into the municipal water supply is actually a deadly cocktail of industrial chemicals and neurotoxic heavy metals.

Deniers like to think of themselves as "trendy" and they worship trendy pop culture figures like Steve Jobs. Deniers are driven primarily by the desire to be assimilated into the group think by speaking, behaving and even dressing exactly like everyone else around them. Their need for social acceptance outweighs their need for critical thinking. To them, individuation is horrifying.

As a result, Deniers have become surprisingly competent at burying their heads in the sand and pretending no problems exist, even while they are being soft-killed by the governments and corporations all around them. What, me worry? What global debt Ponzi scheme? What national debt? What Fukushima fallout? Look, another football game is on! Another TV show is on! My girlfriend is texting me! Who has time for reality when living in a delusional world is so entertaining and trendy?

Summary of the Denier Archetype:
Cognitive capabilities: Medium-Low.
Moral compass: Malleable. Does whatever the group tells them.
Desired agenda: Get along and fit in. Be popular.
Worships: Material wealth. Fashion. Cars.
Typical dress: Business casual.
When you're not looking, they will: Spread false gossip about you.

source: http://www.naturalnews.com/036159_zombi ... niers.html

Totally awesome! This is the kind of voter Mitt and Obama caters to. Makes sense for them to do that since there are so many Deniers. No doubt this is why Mitt won the most delegates.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

" BAD LOSERS WALL OF SHAME"

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

What ever it takes OI, whatever it takes! You may not have ever voted libertarian, but by your own words you've not voted Republican. Our people do whats needed to keep you people out of the loop. It's your only purpose to disrupt procedure, and we're not going to allow it, your nothing more than trouble makers!

Bob

By my own words I have not voted Republican? I'd like to see those words, as probably 90%+ of the votes cast in my lifetime HAS been for Republicans. I voted for one Democrat ONE TIME, because I promised him if he voted against TARP I would vote for him (and he did. that was Matheson btw, who I am no fan of). All the rest of my votes have been for Independent American party candidates and Constitution Party candidates - which I challenge you to look at EITHER of those party's platforms and find something to complain about - both far better than Republican platforms and I think you would agree, bob, even being the party beast of burden that you are. But I finally realized that they were simply too small and because of people's two party mentality (gee, I wonder who I am talking about?) I decided that the battle was best fought to try to retake the GOP and return it to it's conservative roots - take it back from the war mongering neocons!

So please bob, i would love to see "my words" that I have not voted Republican - of course in your mind that might mean voted Republican every time - frankly, anyone that has done that their entire life either hasn;t voted very often, or is simply bragging about what a party tool they are.

"Our people do whatever is needed to keep you people out." OK bob it's clear, you will defend the GOP doing anything including breakng their own rules, and then if anyone protests that they are being disruptive and not following party rules (and in THEIR CASE that is unacceptable! Gotcha bobby, reading you loud and clear... there's a word for that - hypocrisy.

[p51-mustangcaptain of 1,000]

Bob, someone in my ward needs brain surgery and he found one of the best surgeons to do the operation, but that surgeon isnt a former stake president and doesnt have the priesthood. A former stake president in his ward is a proctologist. Hes thinking of having the proctologist do the brain surgery based solely on his credentials within the church. I'm sure the Lord will bless him for his faith in the priesthood holding proctologist and the surgery will go fine.

[p51-mustangcaptain of 1,000]

" BAD LOSERS WALL OF SHAME"

There is also something called "ungracious winner", just sayin... Juliette this is where you make a post about contention being of the devil, or narcissism or some other behavior that the "paulistas" are guilty of but you and Bob are totally free from!....lol

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Bob, someone in my ward needs brain surgery and he found one of the best surgeons to do the operation, but that surgeon isnt a former stake president and doesnt have the priesthood. A former stake president in his ward is a proctologist. Hes thinking of having the proctologist do the brain surgery based solely on his credentials within the church. I'm sure the Lord will bless him for his faith in the priesthood holding proctologist and the surgery will go fine.

some people around here really DO need a proctologist if they want brain surgery.

and people say i have no sense of humor.

[p51-mustangcaptain of 1,000]

Bob, someone in my ward needs brain surgery and he found one of the best surgeons to do the operation, but that surgeon isnt a former stake president and doesnt have the priesthood. A former stake president in his ward is a proctologist. Hes thinking of having the proctologist do the brain surgery based solely on his credentials within the church. I'm sure the Lord will bless him for his faith in the priesthood holding proctologist and the surgery will go fine.

some people around here really DO need a proctologist if they want brain surgery.

and people say i have no sense of humor.

OI, see my avatar? The guy in my avatar had the brain surgery done by the proctologist spoken of. As you can see the surgery was a complete success!

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

" BAD LOSERS WALL OF SHAME"

There is also something called "ungracious winner", just sayin... Juliette this is where you make a post about contention being of the devil, or narcissism or some other behavior that the "paulistas" are guilty of but you and Bob are totally free from!....lol

Mustang, I keep alot of gloating to myself. I try not to show how completely happy I am about current events. When I put on my old high school cheerleading outfit, I do cheers in from of the mirror while screaming " GO MITT". ( It doesn't fit very well).

With that story being revealed, I would say Bob might be totally free of mental probs, but perhaps not me. ( or you)!

[Kandeepcaptain of 50]

Where does the Primary vote come into this? You know that big deal made from state to state where the 'non' delegates (MILLIONS) get to make their choice and show whom they favor for the nomination. When is that (if ever) taken into consideration by these party 'delegates' who are their ELECTED representatives?

I thought that the libertarian philosophy was against the idea of the "elites" deciding what was best for the populace and letting the populace rule themselves through the constitution and rule of law. AND YET here is a group who went through the process to become elected REPRESENTATIVES and are now asking to not vote to represent ANYONE, but themselves.

So what I've understood through this thread is that those who support Ron Paul and went through the process of becoming a delegate for the Republican party and weren't interested in representing the will of the primary voters.

Many here are saying 'BUT ROMNEY CHEATED and the Republican party aren't following their rules." No amount of cheating can explain the LACK luster support that Ron Paul received at the polls. Millions of people cast their votes ASSUMING you as a delegate (look up what delegate means) would follow their will. What is the POINT of voting as a populace if our voice/vote DOESN'T MATTER or EVEN come under consideration????? If you truly believe we have gone down THAT FAR and have decided to FORCE your will on the people you are no better then those whom you accuse.

Romney's NOT my favorite. I didn't want him to win. I wanted to find someone like my Governor Scott Walker and even he's NOT perfect, but what you're doing is FORCING the GOP to protect the voter. The one who came out to vote because they've been told their vote MATTERS. Do you think that people will continue to show interest in politics or voting if delegates, who are suppose to work in their behalf, refuse? Is it 'We The People' or is it 'We The Delegates'?

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Where does the Primary vote come into this? You know that big deal made from state to state where the 'non' delegates (MILLIONS) get to make their choice and show whom they favor for the nomination. When is that (if ever) taken into consideration by these party 'delegates' who are their ELECTED representatives?

I thought that the libertarian philosophy was against the idea of the "elites" deciding what was best for the populace and letting the populace rule themselves through the constitution and rule of law. AND YET here is a group who went through the process to become elected REPRESENTATIVES and are now asking to not vote to represent ANYONE, but themselves.

So what I've understood through this thread is that those who support Ron Paul and went through the process of becoming a delegate for the Republican party and weren't interested in representing the will of the primary voters.

Many here are saying 'BUT ROMNEY CHEATED and the Republican party aren't following their rules." No amount of cheating can explain the LACK luster support that Ron Paul received at the polls. Millions of people cast their votes ASSUMING you as a delegate (look up what delegate means) would follow their will. What is the POINT of voting as a populace if our voice/vote DOESN'T MATTER or EVEN come under consideration????? If you truly believe we have gone down THAT FAR and have decided to FORCE your will on the people you are no better then those whom you accuse.

Romney's NOT my favorite. I didn't want him to win. I wanted to find someone like my Governor Scott Walker and even he's NOT perfect, but what you're doing is FORCING the GOP to protect the voter. The one who came out to vote because they've been told their vote MATTERS. Do you think that people will continue to show interest in politics or voting if delegates, who are suppose to work in their behalf, refuse? Is it 'We The People' or is it 'We The Delegates'?

It varies from state to state. In some states, the primary is simply a "beauty contest" and has no effect whatsoever on delegates. In some states, some of the delegates are awarded based on the primary, and in other states, all of the delegates are awarded based on the primary.

However, the GOP put a rule in place that can even unbind delegates that are supposed to be bound. They did this so that if THE PEOPLE chose someone that they did not find acceptable, they would jsut make sure to have THEIR PEOPLE in place and then invoke the rule to ubind them (so they could vote in their preferred candidate.) And this is what has the establishment in such an uproar - they have been doing this kind of crap for decades, pulled much of the same crap in 2008, so the Ron paul people simply learned THEIR RULES and played by them. And of course the tactic now is that the party is suddenly VERY WORRIED about the will of the people being overturned (someone needs to ask the question of why the rule was made in the first place, maybe???)

The establishment and their stooges are simply wanting things both ways, or rather they want their will to always prevail at any cost. And if nothing else, the Ron Paul movement will have done a service to everyone to expose these rules and hopefully get the party cleaned up.

But of course you have some lackeys and some morons that support such tactics when it is in their interest or is supported by the party leadership, and then get quite indignant and vocal when it goes against them!

[Nancaptain of 1,000]

But OI if it is wrong to try to get past who the people have voted for, than why are you okay with Ron Paul's people doing it? For me it is a principle thing. And principles do not change even if it would be much more convenient for whatever we currently want.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Where does the Primary vote come into this? You know that big deal made from state to state where the 'non' delegates (MILLIONS) get to make their choice and show whom they favor for the nomination. When is that (if ever) taken into consideration by these party 'delegates' who are their ELECTED representatives?

I thought that the libertarian philosophy was against the idea of the "elites" deciding what was best for the populace and letting the populace rule themselves through the constitution and rule of law. AND YET here is a group who went through the process to become elected REPRESENTATIVES and are now asking to not vote to represent ANYONE, but themselves.

So what I've understood through this thread is that those who support Ron Paul and went through the process of becoming a delegate for the Republican party and weren't interested in representing the will of the primary voters.


Many here are saying 'BUT ROMNEY CHEATED and the Republican party aren't following their rules." No amount of cheating can explain the LACK luster support that Ron Paul received at the polls. Millions of people cast their votes ASSUMING you as a delegate (look up what delegate means) would follow their will. What is the POINT of voting as a populace if our voice/vote DOESN'T MATTER or EVEN come under consideration????? If you truly believe we have gone down THAT FAR and have decided to FORCE your will on the people you are no better then those whom you accuse.

Romney's NOT my favorite. I didn't want him to win. I wanted to find someone like my Governor Scott Walker and even he's NOT perfect, but what you're doing is FORCING the GOP to protect the voter. The one who came out to vote because they've been told their vote MATTERS. Do you think that people will continue to show interest in politics or voting if delegates, who are suppose to work in their behalf, refuse? Is it 'We The People' or is it 'We The Delegates'?

Excellent! I don't care who anyone supports as long as they are completely honest about it. The paulistas are lying about being true Republicans, they're far from honest about their real intentions. And now that dishonesty has begun to create a backlash that'll destroy the Ron Paul movement in the Republican party. With paulistas it's all about we the delegates, to hell with the primary voters!

Bob

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

But OI if it is wrong to try to get past who the people have voted for, than why are you okay with Ron Paul's people doing it? For me it is a principle thing. And principles do not change even if it would be much more convenient for whatever we currently want.

Playing by THEIR rulebook Nan.
And trying to get in positions to get rid of those very rules.

You seem to be patterning after bob though - you don't seem to be bothered that the party has used these rules to THEIR LDG advantage for years, but when they are threatened by those same rules, you fall for it and are suddenly concerned.

How about asking the party leadership why those rules are there in the first place. We Ron Paul supporters had nothing to do with it, we just learned from 2008 how things were done. But I suppose we could have just remained in ignorance and let it go on election after election.

[Nancaptain of 1,000]

But OI if it is wrong to try to get past who the people have voted for, than why are you okay with Ron Paul's people doing it? For me it is a principle thing. And principles do not change even if it would be much more convenient for whatever we currently want.

Playing by THEIR rulebook Nan.
And trying to get in positions to get rid of those very rules.

You seem to be patterning after bob though - you don't seem to be bothered that the party has used these rules to THEIR LDG advantage for years, but when they are threatened by those same rules, you fall for it and are suddenly concerned.

How about asking the party leadership why those rules are there in the first place. We Ron Paul supporters had nothing to do with it, we just learned from 2008 how things were done. But I suppose we could have just remained in ignorance and let it go on election after election.

OI, I am not supposed to play by their rule book. I am supposed to play by God's. That is why I am bothered by what you all are saying and doing. We are supposed to live differently than the rest of the world. We are not supposed to join them in unrighteous activities. For someone that believes in the constitution, this is an unrighteous activity to me. I have to choose to be honest to follow God. It doesn't matter what the rest of the world does. Just for your info, I am an independent. I am not a republican.

[Kandeepcaptain of 50]

The thing I find most distasteful about their tactics is that INSTEAD of going by popular vote (I don't care if you call it a beauty contest, straw poll, caucus, winner take all, etc) They're claiming the "right" to "vote their conscious" Um... That's another way of saying "forcing their will on the people". THAT'S what I DESPISE about our CURRENT elected officials THEY ARE TONE DEAF! Ron Paul supporters are falling under that category more and more. I understand the idea of cleaning up the party, but stealing an election isn't the way to do it. It will just infuriate an already irritated populace and shows that they have just as few 'principles' as the GOP have.

Obama needs to go. IF Ron Paul got the nomination (after I picked myself up off the floor) I'd support his candidacy against him, but this isn't the way to do it.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

The thing I find most distasteful about their tactics is that INSTEAD of going by popular vote (I don't care if you call it a beauty contest, straw poll, caucus, winner take all, etc) They're claiming the "right" to "vote their conscious" Um... That's another way of saying "forcing their will on the people". THAT'S what I DESPISE about our CURRENT elected officials THEY ARE TONE DEAF! Ron Paul supporters are falling under that category more and more. I understand the idea of cleaning up the party, but stealing an election isn't the way to do it. It will just infuriate an already irritated populace and shows that they have just as few 'principles' as the GOP have.

Obama needs to go. IF Ron Paul got the nomination (after I picked myself up off the floor) I'd support his candidacy against him, but this isn't the way to do it.

Indeed, the paulistas have fewer principals! Their loud obnoxious desperate actions in primary and caucus meetings demonstrate that fact quite clearly! Even Ron Paul has ask them to be respectful, but the paulistas aren't listening, they're making to much noise to hear!

Bob

[karend77captain of 100]

I hate to be in some of your wards, you guys are so judgemental and pile everyone into one lump. Again, let me say the Ron Paul supporters, Republican or Libertarian in party affiliation, THAT I KNOW, have been respectful, thoughtful individuals who are only interested in turning our politics back to Constitutional principles and doing the right thing.

I read about some "paulistas" being radical here and on the news, but frankly I can find the whole spectrum of whackos in every party.

Liberty_belle I applaud your convictions, you wanting to make the world right...and are willing to get up off your tush and try and do something about it- kudos! There are lots of arm chair quarterbacks but bless you for your active efforts in following your heart.