EARTHQUAKES!

[gertcaptain of 100]

oops!

[minganocaptain of 1,000]

Usually there's at least a little activity around Yellowstone

http://www.seis.utah.edu/req2webdir/rec ... stone.html

1.2 2012/06/02 14:59:26 44.449N 110.413W 3.2 60 km (37 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
0.6 2012/06/02 14:46:38 44.451N 110.415W 4.2 60 km (37 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
1.2 2012/06/02 14:45:57 44.448N 110.414W 2.7 60 km (37 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT
0.9 2012/06/02 13:08:02 44.449N 110.412W 2.8 60 km (37 mi) ESE of West Yellowstone, MT

the Wasatch Front

http://www.quake.utah.edu/req2webdir/re ... s_imw.html

[singyourwayhomecaptain of 1,000]

Hmm. The USGS is in the middle of changing their website. Maybe they're not posting realtime on this older one?

[minganocaptain of 1,000]

Maybe. Then again I doubt the earth can go more than a few seconds without another < 1.0 quake somewhere.... and as they more and more recorders that are more and more sensitive at some point you just have to filter out everything below a specified floor.

[JohnnyLcaptain of 1,000]

Earthquake in Asia at about 9:09PM EST.

[Robthe Sunbeam]

Maybe. Then again I doubt the earth can go more than a few seconds without another < 1.0 quake somewhere.... and as they more and more recorders that are more and more sensitive at some point you just have to filter out everything below a specified floor.

It's not exactly a wise approach to ignore data. A small quake in an area that doesn't normally get quakes needs to be noted. Ignoring a 4-pt earthquake in Los Angeles is one thing, ignoring one in Oklahoma is another. No, I didn't say anything about the Second Coming, so don't go there.

[minganocaptain of 1,000]

I doubt they ignore data, I just suspect that the websites designed for the general public have a floor.

[Messengercaptain of 100]

When I lived in Pleasant Grove I was an emergency preparedness coordinator for the ward I was in. It was a calling that I was not familiar with and I relied heavily on my Bishop who was a retired fireman. When I was set apart, the things that were said were very specific about preparing the ward for an earthquake. In fact, it was so specific, that he even mentioned the specific damage that would happen to the apartment complex that was in our ward. I then started looking into the Wasatch fault line and learned more about it. During the next year, I received spiritual confirmations and more specific information regarding the Wasatch Fault line. While this information was specifically for my calling, I feel its necessary to let people know, if they don't already, the danger inherent in living along the Wasatch front. The possibility for damage is high when an earthquake does occur. And while I believe people's lives, through divine means, will be surprisingly spared, the damage to buildings, structures, and facilities will be nearly incomprehensible.

So, I often wonder if people have a plan in place on what they will do, and how they will get out of such a devastated area and resume their lives.

[minganocaptain of 1,000]

A major problem is that most disaster plans fail to consider the modern age and the new needs of the citizens.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Messenger:

I feel its necessary to let people know, if they don't already, the danger inherent in living along the Wasatch front. The possibility for damage is high when an earthquake does occur. And while I believe people's lives, through divine means, will be surprisingly spared, the damage to buildings, structures, and facilities will be nearly incomprehensible.

So, I often wonder if people have a plan in place on what they will do, and how they will get out of such a devastated area and resume their lives.

I totally agree. I think when the Brethren emphasized the earthquake-strengthening of the Tabernacle and other buildings, they were raising a warning voice.

The Wasatch front is earthquake-prone, to say the least.

[Legioncaptain of 1,000]

When I lived in Pleasant Grove I was an emergency preparedness coordinator for the ward I was in. It was a calling that I was not familiar with and I relied heavily on my Bishop who was a retired fireman. When I was set apart, the things that were said were very specific about preparing the ward for an earthquake. In fact, it was so specific, that he even mentioned the specific damage that would happen to the apartment complex that was in our ward. I then started looking into the Wasatch fault line and learned more about it. During the next year, I received spiritual confirmations and more specific information regarding the Wasatch Fault line. While this information was specifically for my calling, I feel its necessary to let people know, if they don't already, the danger inherent in living along the Wasatch front. The possibility for damage is high when an earthquake does occur. And while I believe people's lives, through divine means, will be surprisingly spared, the damage to buildings, structures, and facilities will be nearly incomprehensible.

So, I often wonder if people have a plan in place on what they will do, and how they will get out of such a devastated area and resume their lives.

Gotta go where the Spirit directs....let the chips fall where they may....

[believercaptain of 100]

Messenger-----Thank you for sharing your experience.

[Messengercaptain of 100]

You guys are welcome.

[Messengercaptain of 100]

On thing that might be informative, is to play a game of What If.

What if there was an earthquake of 6.9 magnitude below on the map?

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

back around 2004-5, Utah was preparing for an 7.3 quake along the Wasatch Front (strongest the experts felt we'd get). They retrofitted bridges, strengthened the Deer creek Dam NE of Provo, the State Capitol, etc....

Now I find out that that estimate has been revised upwards... Utah will likely get a quake somewhere in the low 8 point somethings....

BIG danger (aside from dams breaking, unreinforced brick houses), is the threat of liquefaction throughout the floors of Salt lake & Utah valleys....the quake causes the flats around the lake to turn to quicksand.... some being many miles away from the water....all those buildings fall down or sink into the earth...

[Messengercaptain of 100]

back around 2004-5, Utah was preparing for an 7.3 quake along the Wasatch Front (strongest the experts felt we'd get). They retrofitted bridges, strengthened the Deer creek Dam NE of Provo, the State Capitol, etc....

Now I find out that that estimate has been revised upwards... Utah will likely get a quake somewhere in the low 8 point somethings....

BIG danger (aside from dams breaking, unreinforced brick houses), is the threat of liquefaction throughout the floors of Salt lake & Utah valleys....the quake causes the flats around the lake to turn to quicksand.... some being many miles away from the water....all those buildings fall down or sink into the earth...

Liquefaction is a huge potential problem in the Utah and SLC valleys. Further, there will be quite a downward drop as much as 6 feet where the valley meets up against the Wasatch mtn range. These two factors will certainly increase the damage potential from any kind of earthquake. In other words, what may look like a 7.5 or 7.8, may only be a 6.5 from a scientific measurement standpoint. Further, you can expect permanent flooding because the valley floor will drop by as much as 2 feet allowing water from the lake to encroach on the land. I was working in Sandy when the Nevada quake happened several years ago. It was my third earthquake that I have felt. I was working in the Comcast building near the Freeway on the third floor. The building was rolling 4-6 feet in a side to side motion for nearly 3 minutes. That all had to do with the alluvial material that everything is built on (gravel, sand and rocks). Think of it as very thick water on the ocean. That was a result of an earthquake nearly 100 miles away. Can you imagine what it would be like only 1 - 5 miles away?

Personally, I think they are right on to prepare for a 7.3. Church operations will be challenged when people and families have no home to return to. Therefore, they may move away considering the extensive damage. I worry, even though it is not within my calling, how the church will function unless an alternate site is chosen for church operations. Also, it should be noted that the whole faultline from Provo to Salt Lake city is overdue. We could see a a single event along the entire fault line. If this is the case, church operations would need to be re-located far away or split up between two locations. I for one would like to see church operations split up now, with at least half in another city such as Idaho Falls.

I just want to reiterate one point ... There is a huge potential for a mass exodus to leave the valley. Further, there will be challenges for the people who wish to leave. From a spiritual standpoint, there will no doubt be divine help for those that are leaving. But, if roads and freeways are impassable, how are people going to leave easily? Remember, nearly every freeway overpass has the potential for collapse. That's a lot of roadblocks to get out. Further, there is pretty good potential for Tooele Utah to escape the kind of damage that cities and towns along the Wasatch front may not. This is because a mountain stands between Tooele and the Wasatch Fault - and that mountain is not sitting on gravel. It may protect them from from some of the damage from the shockwave and rolling motion. Im not saying that everyone consider moving to Tooele ... but I would say that the current rescue workers there such as firemen and EMTs, and Police, will no doubt be called to help along the front. This will leave a vacuum of security there in Tooele.

[minganocaptain of 1,000]

Utah will likely get a quake somewhere in the low 8 point somethings....

If it helps ease your mind, an 8.x is simply not likely anywhere. Period. 8s are rare, and there hasn't been one in the continental US since at least 1700 and that was in the Cascadia subduction zone. While possible, it is unlikely that Utah is going to jump from few significant quakes to the top of the list in one fell swoop.

I'd guess that one of the biggest dangers is to all of those mansions up on the hilltops. Ostentatious displays of pride and arrogance, just ripe to fulfill prophecies of bringing the prideful low.

[buffalo_girlcaptain of 1,000]

The New Madrid Fault has potential to cause massive disruption of the entire United States' infrastructure.

[minganocaptain of 1,000]

This is an accurate statement. The bridges and barge traffic are particularly sensitive. A New Madrid quake, while technically not a true black swan event is close enough that the general person would classify it as such. Carrington 2.0 would still be more disruptive by far (unless it is delayed by some 30 years or so by which time we could be prepared for it) but a New Madrid quake would certainly have a greater impact on the nation as a whole than "the big one (tm)" that California has been "expecting" for years.

There are no such things as "overdue" earthquakes - they simply don't have a schedule. If SLC or New Madrid or Charleston or Anchorage go another 250 years without a major quake there would be nothing unusual about it. If the Cascades go another 100 years without a significant volcanic event then again, nothing shocking. And that's even without considering God's protection - I doubt that any significant damage to either the COB or the SL Temple will ever happen because God simply won't allow that to happen. Not even a remote possibility. (Just an example.)

In terms of disruption, a quake in LA that doesn't knock out the port or the rail lines won't do much except for psychological damage. Ditto San Diego or (to a lesser extent) San Francisco.

Seattle is "overdue" for a major event (probably their mountain sending a mud flow across the city) but again, unless the port or the rail lines or cut it would only be psychological damage (that would destroy the stock market). But this isn't going to happen without a lot of warning.

SLC isn't really a critical city so the nation as a whole wouldn't care much. The loss of the NSA facility that the state has recently embraced would be disruptive to the federal government, but I don't think the average Joe on the street would care (and may celebrate). The church's involvement with that facility is problematic, but that's a different thread.

The worst possible natural disasters in the foreseeable future are be Carrington, Hurricane X, and New Madrid. Another Charleston quake would be disruptive and could damage DC but that's fairly unlikely. Cumbre Vieja would be incredibly bad for the East Coast but there are no signs of unrest there so until we have signs of a warning we don't need to worry about it. Spanish Flu 2.0 would be a mixed blessing and could actually stabilize the global economic situation.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Hawaii calling:

HAWAII VOLCANOES NATIONAL PARK, Hawaii: A large number of earthquakes has been rattling the Volcano area on Hawaii Island over the last few days. The quakes have been small, with no damage reported. Still, a handful of those temblors have been 3.0 magnitude and over.

The USGS Hawaiian Volcano Observatory’s “Recent Earthquakes in Hawaii” page shows a constant swarm of quakes surrounding the Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, home of the active Kilauea Volcano. We took a screen grab of the screen of the USGS HVO earthquake page, and it shows the long list stretching all the way back to Friday, June 1st.

16 earthquakes have already registered on the list before noon on Tuesday, Hawaii time.

On Tuesday, the HVO staff makes mention of the quakes on their Kilauea volcano update page:

The GPS network recorded weak extension overall for the past few months with superimposed contraction and extension fluctuations corresponding to DI tilt events. Seismic tremor levels were generally low, decreasing from a peak around 11 am Sunday. A whopping thirty-three earthquakes were strong enough to be located beneath Kilauea volcano: 4 deep earthquakes below the southwest rift zone, 3 beneath the west edge of the summit area, 7 within and below the upper east rift, 1 north of the middle east rift zone, 7 on south flank faults, and 11 mostly shallow long-period (LP) earthquakes within the Koa`e Fault Zone beneath the Kulanaokuaiki Camp Ground; a quick check this morning showed no obvious new cracking on the surface near the campground.

The rise of the Kilauea summit lava lake level in Halemaumau crater continued with several overflows of the inner ledge. At Pu`u `O`o, scientists report lava also rose within the east collapse pit; to the southeast, lava flows continued to advance on the coastal plain.

[sbsioncaptain of 1,000]

don't forget Chile

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

I'd guess that one of the biggest dangers is to all of those mansions up on the hilltops. Ostentatious displays of pride and arrogance, just ripe to fulfill prophecies of bringing the prideful low.

Gotta agree with you there... also those in the Riverbottoms area of Provo up University Avenue towards Provo Canyon are in serious danger if Deer Creek Dam goes....

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

I just want to reiterate one point ... There is a huge potential for a mass exodus to leave the valley. Further, there will be challenges for the people who wish to leave. From a spiritual standpoint, there will no doubt be divine help for those that are leaving. But, if roads and freeways are impassable, how are people going to leave easily? Remember, nearly every freeway overpass has the potential for collapse. That's a lot of roadblocks to get out. Further, there is pretty good potential for Tooele Utah to escape the kind of damage that cities and towns along the Wasatch front may not. This is because a mountain stands between Tooele and the Wasatch Fault - and that mountain is not sitting on gravel. It may protect them from from some of the damage from the shockwave and rolling motion. Im not saying that everyone consider moving to Tooele ... but I would say that the current rescue workers there such as firemen and EMTs, and Police, will no doubt be called to help along the front. This will leave a vacuum of security there in Tooele.

The Deseret News report I read back in 2004-06 - their scenario was a 7.3 in a wintery February....
It destroyed almost every bridge, overpass, along with most water lines, gas lines, and electrical transmission. It projected several weeks just to get basic help and minimal services to people in many scattered areas due to these things I just listed - particularly because of the roads/bridge/overpass destruction...

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

Liquefaction is a huge potential problem in the Utah and SLC valleys. Further, there will be quite a downward drop as much as 6 feet where the valley meets up against the Wasatch mtn range. These two factors will certainly increase the damage potential from any kind of earthquake. In other words, what may look like a 7.5 or 7.8, may only be a 6.5 from a scientific measurement standpoint. Further, you can expect permanent flooding because the valley floor will drop by as much as 2 feet allowing water from the lake to encroach on the land. I was working in Sandy when the Nevada quake happened several years ago. It was my third earthquake that I have felt. I was working in the Comcast building near the Freeway on the third floor. The building was rolling 4-6 feet in a side to side motion for nearly 3 minutes. That all had to do with the alluvial material that everything is built on (gravel, sand and rocks). Think of it as very thick water on the ocean. That was a result of an earthquake nearly 100 miles away. Can you imagine what it would be like only 1 - 5 miles away?

This last weekend, We just moved my nephew, his very pregnant wife, and their little toddler into a home built in 1890, on the west end of Provo.... unreinforced masonry on flats highly subject to liquefaction....as soon as we left them to go home - my bro-in-law was worried about the earthquake danger...no framing, nothing but brick stacked upon brick....

[minganocaptain of 1,000]

unreinforced masonry on flats highly subject to liquefaction....as soon as we left them to go home - my bro-in-law was worried about the earthquake danger...no framing, nothing but brick stacked upon brick....

The liquefaction is one problem - not much you can do there for a reasonable cost. For the unreinforced masonry though they've been kicking around the idea of using carbon fiber sheets that you pretty much peel and stick and that would hold everything together at least long enough to get out of the house with essential items if not preserve the structure completely. Fairly easy to apply and will eventually get cheap enough to be reasonable.

Seismic shielding at a SFR level - especially with the cheek to jowl homebuilding common in those areas will probably never be viable but could probably be reasonably done for an entire neighborhood. Put it deep enough and you solve (maybe) the liquefaction problem too.

At the very least make sure everything is strapped down - does Utah require HWHs and the like to be strapped like they do in California?

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

does Utah require HWHs and the like to be strapped like they do in California?

What is HWH?

[minganocaptain of 1,000]

HWH = hot water heater

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

HWH = hot water heater

gotcha...

[Sweet&Noblecaptain of 50]

TAIPEI, Taiwan -- A powerful earthquake has struck off northeastern Taiwan, but there were no immediate reports of casualties or damage.

Taiwan's Central Weather Bureau says the quake registered at magnitude 6.5. It says the tremor was felt throughout the island.

The earthquake struck Sunday morning at sea, about 42 miles (70 kilometers) east of the Taiwanese county of Ilan. Ilan is about 90 miles (150 kilometers) southeast of the capital, Taipei.

Earthquakes frequently rattle Taiwan, but most are minor and cause little or no damage.

However, a magnitude-7.6 earthquake in central Taiwan in 1999 killed more than 2,300 people.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/09/455036 ... rtheastern

[Sweet&Noblecaptain of 50]

The USGS has reported a 5.8 magnitude earthquake has struck Rodos, Dodecanese Islands, Greece on Sunday, June 10, 2012 at 03:44:17 PM . The epicenter was located approximately:

63 km (39 miles) E of Rodos, Dodecanese Islands, Greece
98 km (60 miles) SSE of Mugla, Turkey
147 km (91 miles) S of Denizli, Turkey
425 km (264 miles) WNW of NICOSIA, Cyprus
...at a depth of 39.6 km (24.6 miles).

http://www.friendlyforecast.com/earthquake/