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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby davedan » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:15 pm

If China dumps US Treasuries and the US is forced to go to Russia for a currency swap; Russia could use the crisis as leverage to get the US to take its Missile Defence system out of Eurooe.
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Postby Thomas » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:20 pm

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SOCIAL SECURITY NOW CALLED 'FEDERAL BENEFIT PAYMENT/ENTITLEMENT'


This is part of the propaganda. By calling SS an entitlement, it makes it appear as if more of the fed budget is going to support freeloaders. The super-rich, parasites, who feed off government, want the public to blame the poor for all of our problems.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby larsenb » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:32 pm

Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?

One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.

I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby davedan » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:17 pm

I'm sure the fabian socialist/globalists elites would love to crash the economy under Romney's watch.

However, I think Obama gets another 4 years.

The elites have controlled the POTUS for 100 years. They arent about to loose all their progress by having an outsider become POTUS and start fixing things in this country.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Legion » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:42 pm

larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?

One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.

I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.


Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.

Time will tell the story.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby larsenb » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:59 am

Legion wrote:
larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?

One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.

I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.


Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.

Time will tell the story.
I don't discount the possibility. But seems he's going to have to do a lot of waking up in office. Maybe when he's given walking orders that clearly violate his conscience, and he ballks, drags his feet and hopefully starts connecting dots and doing some deep pondering; and very hopefully with a nudge from the Spirit.


But then you have to ask: why hasn't this happened already while he's been in positions of power?
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Postby InfoWarrior82 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:04 am

larsenb wrote:
Legion wrote:
larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?

One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.

I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.


Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.

Time will tell the story.
I don't discount the possibility. But seems he's going to have to do a lot of waking up in office. Maybe when he's given walking orders that clearly violate his conscience, and he ballks, drags his feet and hopefully starts connecting dots and doing some deep pondering; and very hopefully with a nudge from the Spirit.


But then you have to ask: why hasn't this happened already while he's been in positions of power?


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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Original_Intent » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:17 am

Legion wrote:
larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?

One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.

I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.


Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.

Time will tell the story.


Right, and the Lord has clearly told us "when in doubt, vote for the priesthood holder, and keep your fingers crossed that he has spent his entire career supporting wrong causes just to throw the powers that be off-track.."
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Original_Intent » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:25 am

Dr. Jones, thanks for the two excellent articles, btw.

I am what is known as a "pessimism porn" addict. :|
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Postby awar_e » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:46 am

bobhenstra wrote:SOCIAL SECURITY NOW CALLED 'FEDERAL BENEFIT PAYMENT/ENTITLEMENT'

Have you noticed, your Social Security check is now referred to as a "federal benefit payment"?

I'll be part of the one percent, to forward this, our government gets away with way too much in all areas of our lives, while they live lavishly on their grossly overpaid incomes! KEEP passing THIS AROUND UNTIL EVERY ONE HAS READ IT.....
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THIS CALCULATION IS THEY FORGOT TO FIGURE IN THE PEOPLE WHO DIED BEFORE THEY COLLECTED THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY!!!! WHERE DID THAT MONEY GO?????????????

This was sent to me, I am forwarding it because it does touch a nerve in me.
This is another example of what Rick Perry called "TREASON in high places" !!! Get angry and pass this on!

Remember, not only did you contribute to Social Security but your employer did too. It totaled 15% of your income before taxes. If you averaged only $30K over your working life, that's close to $220,500.
If you calculate the future value of $4,500 per year (yours & your employer's contribution) at a simple 5% (less than what the government pays on the money that it borrows), after 49 years of working you'd have $892,919.98.

If you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $26,787.60 per year and it would last better than 30 years (until you're 95 if you retire at age 65) and that's with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit! If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you'd have a lifetime income of $2,976.40 per month.

The folks in Washington have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madhoff ever had.

Entitlement my butt, I paid cash for my social security insurance!!!! Just because they borrowed the money, doesn't make my benefits some kind of charity or handout!!

Congressional benefits ---- free healthcare, outrageous retirement packages, 67 paid holidays, three weeks paid vacation, unlimited paid sick days, now that's welfare, and they have the nerve to call my social security retirement entitlements?

We're "broke" and can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless.

In the last months we have provided aid to Haiti, Chile , and Turkey . And now Pakistan ......home of bin Laden. Literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!

Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid nor do they get any breaks while our government and religious organizations pour Hundreds of Billions of $$$$$$'s and Tons of Food to Foreign Countries!

They call Social Security and Medicare an entitlement even though most of us have been paying for it all our working lives and now when it’s time for us to collect, the government is running out of money. Why did the government borrow from it in the first place? Imagine if the *GOVERNMENT* gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries.

Sad isn't it?
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It appears to me that your well founded disgust with what govt has been doing, is pretty much what Ron Paul has been saying.
I see this election as not being a choice of right and wrong, but more of a 3 way choice.
One is Partly wrong,another is quite a bit wrong and the 3rd is INCREDIBLY WRONG.
If the first one was elected he would soon join JFK and we would get stuck with another LBJ.
If the 2nd one is elected we get two possible outcomes. He either allows the Holy Ghost to influence a great change in his core beliefs, or he lets the sheep's clothing fall away and the saints awaken to their situation. (this may speed up the Lord's plan of ending all nations)
If the 3rd choice is elected we will ABSOLUTELY See the end days soon.

One of the major points of confusion comes from this old warning.
"It is not what you do not know, that is the problem.
It is what you DO know that is simply not true".

If only truth were spoken, the media would shut down in a matter of hours.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Stella Solaris » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:00 am

Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'" Roger Morgan from the Coalition for a Drug Free California argues that "if the war on drugs had a failing, it is because 90% of our resources have been spent trying to interdict support ... while only 1% was spent on prevention.

Congressman Paul has repeatedly stated that prohibition of alcohol didn't work in the 1920s. What Mr. Paul failed to mention was that once prohibition was repealed, per capita consumption increased three fold increasing the incidences of health, welfare and traffic related deaths related to alcoholism. Libertarians, like Paul, use this same logic to defend their stance of legalizing marijuana. Again, they fail to cite that there is already a past history of legalization of recreational pot in the state of Alaska in the late 1980s. Several years later, Alaskan legislators decided to reverse the law, after teenage use of marijuana practically tripled overnight when adult consumption in their state was legalized.

The above was written by James Lambert and is taken from --> http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/lambert/111231
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby AGStacker » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:55 am

davedan wrote:I'm sure the fabian socialist/globalists elites would love to crash the economy under Romney's watch.

However, I think Obama gets another 4 years.

The elites have controlled the POTUS for 100 years. They arent about to loose all their progress by having an outsider become POTUS and start fixing things in this country.


An "outsider". Haha! That's rich!
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby AGStacker » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:58 am

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Truth B Known wrote:Bob, you seem like an aware, well-informed and intelligent man which has me perplexed to the umteenth degree - how can you logically and reasonably support Romney given what we know about his past actions, flip-flopping and financial backing by the same entities (big banks and Wall Street) who donated and funded Obama to power??? Makes no sense at all and please don't give me the 'priesthood holder' balogna. Here you are on an LDS Freedom Forum discussion board declaring your support for a candidate who has been promoted and funded by the mainstream media, Washington establishment and big financial powers in this country, many of whom were the beneficiaries of the trillions in bail-outs since 2008 - makes zero sense my friend - are you for the Constitution? Are you for sound money? Are you for morals, ethics and defeating the LDG's? If so, Romney ain't your man. You really don't see the err of it do you?


Flagg, I'm very well aware of all the accusations you paulistas make against Mitt Romney! Do you hear what I'm saying Flagg? I'M AWARE! Your accusations don't bother me!
Flagg, are you aware that Romney has won the Republican nomination? Ron Paul lost and has admitted it, so Flagg, are you still going to waste you vote on RP, the potted plant??
Flagg, you bet I am going to vote for Romney because he holds the Holy Priesthood, why would you not??
Flagg, are you aware that the ldgs are so strongly entrenched that only the Priesthood and revelation has a chance to break up the ldg's power???
Flagg, are you aware that this election is our last chance? And Ron Paul is not a part of that chance, Flagg, he never has been! A wasted vote for Ron Paul is a vote for admitting defeat, your admitting the ldg's have won, and Flagg, your soooo unprepared------

Bob


Bob. They aren't "accusations". They are facts.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Legion » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:54 pm

larsenb wrote:
Legion wrote:
larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?

One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.

I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.


Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.

Time will tell the story.
I don't discount the possibility. But seems he's going to have to do a lot of waking up in office. Maybe when he's given walking orders that clearly violate his conscience, and he ballks, drags his feet and hopefully starts connecting dots and doing some deep pondering; and very hopefully with a nudge from the Spirit.


But then you have to ask: why hasn't this happened already while he's been in positions of power?


I highly doubt that Mitt Romney will personally do much waking up. What I do think is possible is that we receive major stimulus for repentance (the plague) at which time he could capitalize on it and move the whole show in a positive direction....likely after the PTB have fallen into the pit they've dug. Just my thoughts though fwiw...
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Legion » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:55 pm

Original_Intent wrote:
Legion wrote:
larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?

One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.

I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.


Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.

Time will tell the story.


Right, and the Lord has clearly told us "when in doubt, vote for the priesthood holder, and keep your fingers crossed that he has spent his entire career supporting wrong causes just to throw the powers that be off-track.."


Beats voting for the Bilderberg funded guy....or the imposter.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby bobhenstra » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:12 pm

OI, Flagg, AG, Belle and others here should have run for POTUS themselves so absolutely honest perfect people would be on the ballot O:-) O:-) O:-)

Sigh-----

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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Rensai » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:24 pm

bobhenstra wrote:OI, Flagg, AG, Belle and others here should have run for POTUS themselves so absolutely honest perfect people would be on the ballot O:-) O:-) O:-)

Sigh-----

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That's not very nice bob. None of them claimed to be perfect, but I'll bet they're all better people than any of the candidates we have to choose from though. One of the big problems with picking a POTUS is that anyone who actually wants the job these days is probably not anyone we want to have the job. Should a really good person decide he/she actually wants the job, I really don't think they'd get far because the whole system is corrupt from top to bottom. Inevitably, we're left trying to choose between bad and worse candidates; either way, the downward spiral continues.

Do you still think voting for anyone part of the republican or democratic parties is going to really improve things? I don't know who will win in November, but it is clear to me that both candidates will continue the same policies that got us into this mess. Sure, there will be some differences, but nothing too big. For the most part, the Gadianton policies will continue. I'd bet every dollar I have that regardless of the outcome in November, things will not change for the better. Obama or Romney will win, and the American people will continue to lose. I just don't understand how anyone can fail to see that, especially someone like you who's been around for a while. Why do you continue to place your faith and trust in either major party/candidate? Why get so worked up playing their game? Why are the American people like a hamster on a wheel? The hamster runs one direction for a while, then gets tired of it and changes direction. Back and forth, back and forth, changing directions, but either way the outcome is the same. The wheel keeps spinning, the police state keeps growing, the jobs keep leaving, the corruption continues, the debt grows, no real progress is made for anyone but the Gadiantons.

If it makes you feel better to be a republican cheerleader, then have at it, but keep some perspective and remember to be civil to your brothers and sisters while you're at it.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Col. Flagg » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:38 pm

bobhenstra wrote:OI, Flagg, AG, Belle and others here should have run for POTUS themselves so absolutely honest perfect people would be on the ballot O:-) O:-) O:-)

Sigh-----

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Bob, I thought Genola only produced wise, politically literate people? ;)
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby bobhenstra » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:21 pm

Rensai, I complement several people and you jump all over me! So, Rensai, you saying those I complemented are not perfect? They must be, they're demanding perfection from Mitt Romney! I guess Rensai, I'm not understanding why Mitt Romney has to be perfect, Ron Paul, as Jason has pointed out, isn't perfect, so why does Mitt need to be perfect?

I'm quite capable of forgiving another his mistakes as I perceive them, however, I'm well aware he may believe his actions are not mistakes! Take Ron Paul for example;

Ron Paul and his followers are in the process of committing out right theft of delegates he didn't earn. To me the theft of delegates not earned by the vote is a sin. RP and his followers think gaming the system like he is isn't a sin, to them it's just smart politics--- to me it's crooked politics--

However, as soon as Mitt wins the nomination I'll forgive RP and all of you, his worshipers, for that theft---- for me it's that simple, I just forgive!

After the convention I'll spend no more time pointing out his theft of delegates. In my mind Ron Paul will then be a complete non issue, his desired libertarian changes in the Republican party will not happen, so I'll waste no more time pointing out what I think is a sin. It's all his problem now!

Because they moved their primaries or Caucasus some states were punished by the RNC, those states lost half of their delegates. I'm convinced that the RNC will restore those delegate slots. When that happens, Mitt will end up with close to 1700 delegates.

Ron Paul earned 140 delegates, but according to reports has stolen another 360 delegates, and many of you are just peachy fine with that theft! So, RP and you guys will have to face your maker with all that theft on your record. So be it! After the convention, I'm done with Ron Paul!

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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby bobhenstra » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:30 pm

Col. Flagg wrote:
bobhenstra wrote:OI, Flagg, AG, Belle and others here should have run for POTUS themselves so absolutely honest perfect people would be on the ballot O:-) O:-) O:-)

Sigh-----

:-w

Bob, I thought Genola only produced wise, politically literate people? ;)

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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby InfoWarrior82 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:30 pm

Stella Solaris wrote:
Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'" Roger Morgan from the Coalition for a Drug Free California argues that "if the war on drugs had a failing, it is because 90% of our resources have been spent trying to interdict support ... while only 1% was spent on prevention.

Congressman Paul has repeatedly stated that prohibition of alcohol didn't work in the 1920s. What Mr. Paul failed to mention was that once prohibition was repealed, per capita consumption increased three fold increasing the incidences of health, welfare and traffic related deaths related to alcoholism. Libertarians, like Paul, use this same logic to defend their stance of legalizing marijuana. Again, they fail to cite that there is already a past history of legalization of recreational pot in the state of Alaska in the late 1980s. Several years later, Alaskan legislators decided to reverse the law, after teenage use of marijuana practically tripled overnight when adult consumption in their state was legalized.

The above was written by James Lambert and is taken from --> http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/lambert/111231



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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby JohnnyL » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:33 pm

Original_Intent wrote:Right, and the Lord has clearly told us "when in doubt, vote for the priesthood holder, and keep your fingers crossed that he has spent his entire career supporting wrong causes just to throw the powers that be off-track.."

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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby HeirofNumenor » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:35 pm

Stella Solaris wrote:
Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'" Roger Morgan from the Coalition for a Drug Free California argues that "if the war on drugs had a failing, it is because 90% of our resources have been spent trying to interdict support ... while only 1% was spent on prevention.

Congressman Paul has repeatedly stated that prohibition of alcohol didn't work in the 1920s. What Mr. Paul failed to mention was that once prohibition was repealed, per capita consumption increased three fold increasing the incidences of health, welfare and traffic related deaths related to alcoholism. Libertarians, like Paul, use this same logic to defend their stance of legalizing marijuana. Again, they fail to cite that there is already a past history of legalization of recreational pot in the state of Alaska in the late 1980s. Several years later, Alaskan legislators decided to reverse the law, after teenage use of marijuana practically tripled overnight when adult consumption in their state was legalized.

The above was written by James Lambert and is taken from --> http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/lambert/111231



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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Digitali » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:06 pm

I find all the hand-wringing about Mitt/Ron, etc. unnecessary considering that neither one will be the savior you think as 1)congress has to work with the President, appropriate money, etc.(in our current case, completely by-pass the body) and, 2) the level of morality in the world won't be overcome by the President. Our constitution was made to order for a moral people, and when morality is just about gone, so goes the rest of it. The Kingdom needs building and the tptb will succumb to their own doing. When the bottom drops out and when the $70 trillion in G10 debt is the collateral for $700 trillion in derivatives…what could go wrong???

Live righteously, faith > conversion, follow the prophet and endure well during these crazy times that are and will try our souls.

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3 And that great pit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that hell which hath no end.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Truth B Known » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:14 pm

JohnnyL wrote:
Original_Intent wrote:Right, and the Lord has clearly told us "when in doubt, vote for the priesthood holder, and keep your fingers crossed that he has spent his entire career supporting wrong causes just to throw the powers that be off-track.."

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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby DrJones » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:47 am

Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'.


Just look what is happening with the opium-poppie fields in Afghanistan -- more than doubled since the US invaded, and protected by whom? US soldiers! so, where is the war on drugs? certainly not in Afghanistan.

Answer me that!
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Original_Intent » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:54 am

DrJones wrote:
Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'.


Just look what is happening with the opium-poppie fields in Afghanistan -- more than doubled since the US invaded, and protected by whom? US soldiers! so, where is the war on drugs? certainly not in Afghanistan.

Answer me that!


Indeed more than doubled - I believe a 500%+ increase in the ten years of the occupation.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Chip » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:05 am

larsenb wrote...
Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?

One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.


This is what I've been thinking, too. I could see Mitt doing things as POTUS that are grossly unconstitutional and inimical to liberty, while actually enjoying the ongoing support of many LDS people. I could see many of us insisting that there MUST be valid reasons behind his grayish actions, and that he's just not able to explain them to us, due to the delicateness and seriousness of his job. The thing is, he looks, acts, and talks like a picture-perfect stake president (unlike Harry Reid, who is fairly dismissible). If Mitt's "wrong", that portends that many of us could be wrong, too, which is an untenable thought. This is what is sure, though: Ezra Taft Benson's warnings have come to pass about us not protecting our Constitution, and Mitt is not a Captain Moroni who's going to raise a banner of liberty.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby DrJones » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:32 am

Interesting points, Chip!
Now, Re: "war on drug competitors"

Original_Intent wrote:
DrJones wrote:
Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'.


Just look what is happening with the opium-poppie fields in Afghanistan -- more than doubled since the US invaded, and protected by whom? US soldiers! so, where is the war on drugs? certainly not in Afghanistan.

Answer me that!


Indeed more than doubled - I believe a 500%+ increase in the ten years of the occupation.


Why does the US allow/protect/encourage drug production in Afghanistan, after 11 years of occupation of that country?

This would be a good question to pose to:
1. Orrin Hatch
2. Mitt Romney
3. Petraeus, US general over the war in Afghanistan and now head of the CIA
4. Barack Osama
5. Mia Love and Matheson

and other candidates and schemers, err - leaders.
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Re: What's all this brown stuff and is that fan coming this

Postby Chautauquan » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:10 am

I'd just like to point out (perhaps I'm just exhuming the dead horse to beat it) a couple of thoughts regarding the Mitt debacle. There are a couple of possibilities for those who are glancing with a skeptical eye as to what may be happening in his head.

1. Mitt is actually right... This means that all of our preparations and concerns about individual liberties is just nonsense, and we need to get on to more important issues, like American Idol.

2. Mitt is a man with a good heart, but, like Moroni addressing Pahoran, is ill-informed. This means that he's not out to get anyone, or deceive anyone, but really, he just can't read the writing on the wall, or doesn't see the looming threat as all that disconcerting.

3. Mitt is using his LDS faith to help propel him as a frontrunner in the election. . . We can probably dismiss that out of hand, considering we have the deep south which is sometimes rather distrustful of our ways. But, this could be used as a foil to flip-flopperness, as a sort of "well, I can't lie, I have a temple recommend!" sort of deal. However, we must remember that Amulon, Noah, (maybe even Kishkumen) were all "members" of the Church of their time, and often, they were even leaders!

We encounter stiff opposition in Jerusalem in 600 B.C. to the words of some fringe-lying radicals like Jeremiah and Lehi, who are generally regarded as hostile to the mighty kingdom of Judah, and just want to pooh-pooh everything going well. (Jeremiah's even more of a bad guy, because he only says Babylon is going to sack us because of his trade relations with them! Shifty merchant....) I would love to assume Mitt is merely misguided (in my opinion, of course) or deceived, rather than face the harsher idea of him betraying the virtues of agency for the sake of getting gain. But, in all honesty, I really like my own opinion, therefore finding others to be mistaken is common. This forces me to consider that the best thing about Mitt might be that he doesn't really mean what he does, because he doesn't know what he's doing. Mean, I know (especially for the Sabbath) but those are my general feelings and concerns.
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