My New Stand on Illegal Drugs

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

I am absolutely convinced that the only way the drug issue will be dealt with is by a covenant community. Agency is not taken away because the community is entered voluntarily. There is a great deal that should be dealt with by covenant rather than trying to do so by force.

We have had 40 years of the drug war. The results speak for themselves. New compounds such as the new "bath salts" are sonstantly being developed. Even abusing legal substances such as airplane glue or some over the counter drugs can be used to get high and cause self damage. The only way to win is to train and educate yourselves and your family to become the kind of people that do now want drugs, and then forming communities of other like minded people, or lovingly educate and help those with drug dependencies to overcome them.

Certainly it is a "pie in the sky" approach, far better than the hell on earth that the anti-agency crowd would impose.

[Fairmindedcaptain of 1,000]

I am absolutely convinced that the only way the drug issue will be dealt with is by a covenant community. Agency is not taken away because the community is entered voluntarily. There is a great deal that should be dealt with by covenant rather than trying to do so by force.

We have had 40 years of the drug war. The results speak for themselves. New compounds such as the new "bath salts" are sonstantly being developed. Even abusing legal substances such as airplane glue or some over the counter drugs can be used to get high and cause self damage. The only way to win is to train and educate yourselves and your family to become the kind of people that do not want drugs, and then forming communities of other like minded people, or lovingly educate and help those with drug dependencies to overcome them.

Certainly it is a "pie in the sky" approach, far better than the hell on earth that the anti-agency crowd would impose.

[davedancaptain of 1,000]

America will be judged and allowed to be destroyed for our wickedness. What wickedness is God most concerned with? The Proclaimation clearly says that the denegration of family values will bring upon us "the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophet"

I'm am all for defending the Constitution, but don't forget what sins God is most upset about. When it comes to America repenting, the most important issues are not THE FED, or NDAA, or ObamaCare. The most important issues of our time that will bring us the judgement of God are abortion, adultary, same-sex marriage, and legalizing the Distrubution of recreational drugs. These sins destroy families.

Don't get distracted from the more important issues.

[davedancaptain of 1,000]

CIA drug trafficking would stop immediately by electing a non-Gadiaton POTUS who would appoint non-Gad government officials that would not tolerate illegal activities.

Too bad the POTUS has been Gad-controlled since Woodrow Wilson.

[Legioncaptain of 1,000]

Thankfully, Legion, just because you shrug it off with "Nah, it is well within their bounds..." does not make it so. It clearly is NOT the case as previously it was recognized that a constitutional amendment was required for the Fed to enforce alcohol prohibition.

You do understand the 10th amendment, correct?

Of course, from what I have seen lately you are pretty much in favor of a complete dictatorial tyranny (as long as they are enforcing according to YOUR dictates, of course.)

Perhaps you should start up an LDS Tyranny Forum.

Bitterness and hate will get you nowhere....

and you accuse others of misdirection....

I am neither bitter towards you nor do I hate you. I do want to understand what turned you to the dark side and what I can do to help you.

Ahh yes the dark side....I'm automatically on the dark side because I have a different opinion than you do. Your comments send an entirely different message. Look in the mirror and you'll see the problem as well as the source for the solution.

[gruden2.0captain of 100]

CIA drug trafficking would stop immediately by electing a non-Gadiaton POTUS who would appoint non-Gad government officials that would not tolerate illegal activities.

Too bad the POTUS has been Gad-controlled since Woodrow Wilson.

I wouldn't be sure of that. Carter, for example, asked then-head of the CIA George Bush to provide him with everything the agency had on UFOs, etc. Bush refused. There are limits to the president, and the machine is too big to be stopped by any one man. It's something we have to do collectively. Or we can wait for the Lord to do it, but that won't be fun either. It's going to hurt to heal.

[davedancaptain of 1,000]

Carter is a Gad. His power is limited only because he was a puppet.

The Gad system controls politicians by only putting in power compromised people. That way, if Carter were to use his power to get info he wanted, the Gads tell him they will release damaging info on him to the public and destroy him.

[Legioncaptain of 1,000]

I support incarceration and killing of international recreational drug distributors.

The way the Nephites were convinced and "durst not lie or steal" was because of "fear" of punishment.
Alma 1:17-18

Just laws should prosecute the "harm-doers" and not punish everyone in the name of prevention.

And again, why should you or anyone else get to designate what is "harmful" and what isn't?

Splenda and aspartame likely do more permanent damage than marijuana, for instance.

Even the excess of sugar is causing likely as much liver damage as alcohol.

Is the voice of the people going to make a judegment call on every substance known to man, which are harmful and which are not? And for the ones that are helpful but can be harmful if abused, who gets to define when it is OK to use them and when not?

You see the rabbit hole? You start down that path and you are not on a "slippery slope" you are over the cliff and somehow "the majority" or possibly some oligarchy is empowered to determine every aspect of every person's life. II'm sorry you and Legion don't get that, or stick your head in the sand and deny it.

READ AND COMPREHEND THIS. And realize that it describes you, Legion and others of similar thinking to a 'T'.

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. - C.S. Lewis

I've got nothing further to say, you bunch talk circles and are completely without a clue. You are in open rebellion of the plan of salvation - not because you are against harmful drugs, SO AM I, but because you have no clue of basic principles such as agency. Of course there is a proper role for government, I am no anarchist. There are times when life, liberty and property should be deprived an individual by society.

Drug regulation is not such a case, especially at the federal level. You are completely deceived if you do not understand that the war on drugs serves no purpose other than to defend the government CARTEL on illegal drugs and the pharmaceutical industries stranglehold on the regulation and control of LEGAL drugs.

You are doing nothing but forging your own chains, and frankly, in Legion's case I think he is fully aware of that and simply doesn't care any more. He is tired of fighting for liberty and has decided to fight on what he perceives is the winning side.

See prophetic stance on Prohibition as well as the Korihor/Giddonah exchange on the subject of freedom/liberty...

I believe it entails a more comprehensive understanding of agency and what liberty/freedom truly means to reconcile the respective cases. I've tried to get into that several times here in the past.

I would greatly appreciate it if you could cease with the bitterness and hate! As well as the misconceptions about what I believe or feel. I'm not tired of fighting for liberty. I am going for the winning side which is Jesus Christ who created this earth along with Michael and others (adversary only has temporary rent). I believe I have a much greater understanding of what liberty truly means now than I ever have in the past. Liberty comes through Jesus Christ who descended to the depths of hell to obtain the key to unlock the gate. It comes through obedience to the laws of God. There is no other way.

Others would sell people short with a false liberty that instead chains them to the depths of hell. Let every man do as he wishes they say. Let them destroy themselves. Remove the law and the restraints. Government is the enemy they say all while resorting to private markets controlled by those with the most money. They ignore truth and kick against the bricks with bitterness and hate.

There is nothing liberating about something that binds you down to hell....whether its a substance/chemical, misuse of bodily functions, or a philosophy that promotes such.

A piece appeared in the press noting that businessmen are insisting with increasing zeal on searching the minds and the hearts of their employees by means of polygraph tests. If any arm of government30 were to go so far, they would be met by horrified protests at this vicious attack on individual freedom, and rightly so. What is it that gives ordinary businessmen a power greater than that of the government? It is the capacity for giving or withholding money—nothing else in the world. This is the weapon that Satan chose from the beginning to place him and his plans beyond politics, and it has worked with deadly effect. There is only one thing in man's world that can offer any check on the unlimited power of money—and that is government. That is why money always accuses government of trying to destroy free agency, when the great enslaver has always been money itself.

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publica ... ts/?id=162

Instead of attacking my thinking or source of ideas you instead attack me. You make hateful statements like saying I've gone to the dark side (harkening to the devil), paranoid, have chaotic/idiotic thinking, dulling of my faculties, no longer care about liberty, guilt by association because Juliette echo's something I've said, I'm unenlightened and have lost the Spirit, etc etc etc. All while you claim to have been blessed with discernment. Seriously look in the mirror my friend....people who really have taken the high road have no need to berate and belittle others because they have a disagreement in opinion. If you really do have the Spirit and the discernment you claim you do....I would expect a different set of manners and behavior. Its not appealing to me nor do I think anyone else (for example Juliette) appreciates it. It does you no favors. Please cease and desist....for your own welfare and soul.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

How can you accuse me of guilt by association when most of the stuff you complain about was in private messages between us, and were not public until you just now divulged them?

I agree, freedom and liberty only come from obedience to God's laws. But that obedience must come through persuasion, not coersion. And if you give the government the power to dictate every detail of people's lives, that power will be used against you, not to create the 1984-ish heaven of Big Brother that you seem to think is the ideal.

"Teach proper principles and let the people govern themselves..." I am sure I heard that somewhere, where was it?

Make all the state laws that you want on drugs. I'm all for it. Just get the feds out of it. At least at the state and local level people have some recourse, and can see that drugs are actually fought instead of used to finance black and grey operations.

I know that you know that the drug war is a failure (or rather that it is serving the purposes that the gadiantons intended all along. I know that you know this. So why continue supporting and even calling for expansion of the same?

I know that you know that drug regulation is not a power granted to the federal government by the Constitution, yet you say it is within the proper jurisdiction of the fed. And when I called you on it, you dodged and avoided.

If you indeed do not know the things that I believe you know, then I apologize for giving you more credit than you deserved.

As far as the gift of discernment, I can tell you that discerning has nothing to do with how I deliver the message. And discernment does not make one all-knowing or above making mistakes.

I've certainly never claimed as Korihor that everyone should be able to do as they wish. What I do claim is that the rightful power of government is to protect liberty, and it's coersive force to deprive one of life, liberty or property can only be rightly exercised on a person who has deprived another of the same or has harmed another in some manner. Lots of good books on the matter by H Verlan Anderson and Ezra Taft Benson. I'd recommend you check out Moral Basis of a Free Society and The Proper Role of Government for starters, and see if that can;t get you headed back on track.

Anything more than this I believe can only be rightly enforced by voluntarily putting yourself under covenant to do so. You might want to check out Moses and King Benjamin - in both cases they caused that a record should be made of all of their followers who submitted to the laws that they had outlined.

As far as the quote you keep throwing out from Hugh Nibley, I have great respect for him, but the quote is pretty irrelevant to our current situation, as the government is now under virtually the complete control of the money power. Again, I know, or at least strongly feel that you know this. So a quote that treats them as if they were two separate powers in opposition to each other clearly does not apply to the current situation. Or do you argue that the money power and government are at odds with each other? (It seems that is the case, since you keep tossing the quote out - if that is the case, again, I should probably reconsider the amount of credit I give you.)

And of course, because I speak plainly and call a spade a spade, I am pretty sure the accusations of bitterness and hate will continue. Sometimes the truth IS hard...

[Legioncaptain of 1,000]

How can you accuse me of guilt by association when most of the stuff you complain about was in private messages between us, and were not public until you just now divulged them?

I agree, freedom and liberty only come from obedience to God's laws. But that obedience must come through persuasion, not coersion. And if you give the government the power to dictate every detail of people's lives, that power will be used against you, not to create the 1984-ish heaven of Big Brother that you seem to think is the ideal.

"Teach proper principles and let the people govern themselves..." I am sure I heard that somewhere, where was it?

Nah its been public....need I point out the posts?

In a representative government.....government represents the people....they get what they vote for (by the voice of the people).

Add in the context (who he was talking to and why...and then contemplate the church government he set up which certainly regulates and controls as needed).

Make all the state laws that you want on drugs. I'm all for it. Just get the feds out of it. At least at the state and local level people have some recourse, and can see that drugs are actually fought instead of used to finance black and grey operations.

I know that you know that the drug war is a failure (or rather that it is serving the purposes that the gadiantons intended all along. I know that you know this. So why continue supporting and even calling for expansion of the same?

I know that you know that drug regulation is not a power granted to the federal government by the Constitution, yet you say it is within the proper jurisdiction of the fed. And when I called you on it, you dodged and avoided.

I didn't dodge and avoid it....I was addressing other personal statements.

I believe it is certainly within the legal framework for the federal government to set drug laws as well as federal enforcement. Unfortunately enforcement has been compromised. Pushing it down to the states or local authorities won't make it any better. I know corrupt local authorities who have been involved in the drug trade since the early 80's in little farming towns in Idaho. The corruption is everywhere....from DC to little farming towns in Idaho. The people need to repent. Changing the laws which are already being ignored will do little if anything to change the situation.

If you indeed do not know the things that I believe you know, then I apologize for giving you more credit than you deserved.

As far as the gift of discernment, I can tell you that discerning has nothing to do with how I deliver the message. And discernment does not make one all-knowing or above making mistakes.

I've certainly never claimed as Korihor that everyone should be able to do as they wish. What I do claim is that the rightful power of government is to protect liberty, and it's coersive force to deprive one of life, liberty or property can only be rightly exercised on a person who has deprived another of the same or has harmed another in some manner. Lots of good books on the matter by H Verlan Anderson and Ezra Taft Benson. I'd recommend you check out Moral Basis of a Free Society and The Proper Role of Government for starters, and see if that can;t get you headed back on track.

Back on track...LOL. There you go again.

What is your understanding of liberty?

Here are a few thoughts on it -

Liberty refers to the ability of human beings to have agency (control over their own actions).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/2-cor/3.17?lang=eng#16

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

John 8:36

Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God

Rom. 8:21

And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Gal. 2:4

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 1:25

And it came to pass that he rent his coat; and he took a piece thereof, and wrote upon it—In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children—and he fastened it upon the end of a pole.

And he fastened on his head-plate, and his breastplate, and his shields, and girded on his armor about his loins; and he took the pole, which had on the end thereof his rent coat, (and he called it the title of liberty) and he bowed himself to the earth, and he prayed mightily unto his God for the blessings of liberty to rest upon his brethren, so long as there should a band of Christians remain to possess the land—

Behold, whosoever will maintain this title upon the land, let them come forth in the strength of the Lord, and enter into a covenant that they will maintain their rights, and their religion, that the Lord God may bless them.

At the beginning of His ministry, Jesus took a text from Isaiah: “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound” (Isaiah 61:1; see also Luke 4:18)—a clear pronouncement of a divine plan to rescue the sons and daughters of God.

http://www.lds.org/liahona/2011/04/he-i ... n?lang=eng

Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.

2 Ne. 2:27

The prophet Lehi tells us: “Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.”2

http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2 ... e?lang=eng

And under this head ye are made free, and there is no other head whereby ye can be made free. There is no other name given whereby salvation cometh; therefore, I would that ye should take upon you the name of Christ, all you that have entered into the covenant with God that ye should be obedient unto the end of your lives.

Mosiah 5:8

We cannot choose the consequences of our decisions; if we choose the wrong and do not repent, we cannot expect to have “liberty and eternal life.”
http://www.lds.org/ensign/2012/02/why-agency?lang=eng

Ye look forward and say that ye see a remission of your sins. But behold, it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your minds comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away into a belief of things which are not so.

And many more such things did he say unto them, telling them that there could be no atonement made for the sins of men, but every man fared in this life according to the management of the creature; therefore every man prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime.

I do not teach this people to bind themselves down under the foolish ordinances and performances which are laid down by ancient priests, to usurp power and authority over them, to keep them in ignorance, that they may not lift up their heads, but be brought down according to thy words.

Ye say that this people is a free people. Behold, I say they are in bondage.

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma ... ang=eng#35

My understanding of liberty is living according to God's commandments. Otherwise you are chained down to hell and enjoy no liberty. If God commands to abstain from alcohol then I see nothing wrong with passing legal laws preventing or diminishing the use of alcohol. Those laws enhance liberty as liberty comes from God and following His commandments. We see evidence of that in every righteous government that has been set up from righteous kings to reign by judges....laws of Moses to Christ's higher law.

I cannot reconcile the stoning of a man and woman for voluntarily of their own free will committing moral sin under what I interpret as your definition of Liberty (harm or deprivation). I can reconcile that under my definition of liberty which is obedience to God's commandments. The same with Prohibtion, Proposition 8, etc etc etc.

May I recommend Beyond Politics by Hugh Nibley, Agency: Essential to the Plan of Life by Robert D. Hales, Moral Agency by D. Todd Christofferson, Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet, and then all of the scripture referring to moral laws that were made to provide additional barriers to the adversary (the heart of Korihor's arguments).

Anything more than this I believe can only be rightly enforced by voluntarily putting yourself under covenant to do so. You might want to check out Moses and King Benjamin - in both cases they caused that a record should be made of all of their followers who submitted to the laws that they had outlined.

As far as the quote you keep throwing out from Hugh Nibley, I have great respect for him, but the quote is pretty irrelevant to our current situation, as the government is now under virtually the complete control of the money power. Again, I know, or at least strongly feel that you know this. So a quote that treats them as if they were two separate powers in opposition to each other clearly does not apply to the current situation. Or do you argue that the money power and government are at odds with each other? (It seems that is the case, since you keep tossing the quote out - if that is the case, again, I should probably reconsider the amount of credit I give you.)

And of course, because I speak plainly and call a spade a spade, I am pretty sure the accusations of bitterness and hate will continue. Sometimes the truth IS hard...

Irrelevant? When "the government is now under virtually the complete control of the money power"? I guess you did not understand it. Government (collective political force of the people) is the only thing preventing complete control by money. In other words if we are to win out against money it will be via government. Not the other way around. So we have to take back government if we ever want to win over money. Not destroy government, lessen its power, destroy its control over money, etc etc etc.

You want plainness and calling a spade a spade? Okay. You've mentioned half a dozen times now about whether or not you will give me credit, given me too much credit, etc. Who put you on a pedestal as the giver of credit? Sure you are entitled to your personal opinion but why state such? How would you feel if someone else constantly did that to you? You've belittled, called names, said I'm on the devil's side, my faculties are dulled, etc etc etc. Why resort to that? Is that not a fruit? What kind of fruit? Could that pedestal be called pride? Are those not the actions of a "dark" person?

Seriously please give it some thought....I know you think you are on the high road....but those aren't the actions and fruits of someone on the high road. I've mentioned this numerous times now....but if you are bound and determined to go down that path....I'll stop bringing it up and we can go our separate ways. To each their own.

[SempiternalHarbingercaptain of 1,000]

What an intelligent response OI! I will try and cut you some slack but seriously, what a bunch of trash! It would do you some good to first seek to understand before being understood. Your posts has enmity written all over it brother. The personal attacks are getting old. I am still waiting for one person to disprove and show where Legion is wrong, but all I see is hate, pride, name calling, false accusations, talking down, and his character being thrown around in the mud all practically for a lifetime politician in the name of freedom and correct pricncipals. Maybe your the one who needs to start your own forum. I am going to stop now while i am ahead of myself.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

What an intelligent response OI! I will try and cut you some slack but seriously, what a bunch of trash! It would do you some good to first seek to understand before being understood. Your posts has enmity written all over it brother. The personal attacks are getting old. I am still waiting for one person to disprove and show where Legion is wrong, but all I see is hate, pride, name calling, false accusations, talking down, and his character being thrown around in the mud all practically for a lifetime politician in the name of freedom and correct pricncipals. Maybe your the one who needs to start your own forum. I am going to stop now while i am ahead of myself.

You pegged it Semp!

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Legion, please clarify for me if we are living in a democracy or a republic, and the difference. Not meaning to talk down to you, but it seems we need to review basics.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Here I agree with O_I:

Make all the state laws that you want on drugs. I'm all for it. Just get the feds out of it. At least at the state and local level people have some recourse, and can see that drugs are actually fought instead of used to finance black and grey operations.

....the drug war is a failure (or rather that it is serving the purposes that the gadiantons intended all along.)
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Well said! Just look what is happening with the opium-poppie fields in Afghanistan -- more since the US invaded, and protected by whom? so, where is the war on drugs? certainly not in Afghanistan.

Answer me that!

[JohnnyLcaptain of 1,000]

Not many here are FOR drug abuse. But what's a drug, and what's abuse? And as if anyone is living an abuse-free lifestyle? Why do you think private-property consensual sodomy failed? But why is that ok, but drug abuse isn't? (Well, actually, it is, but only for certain drugs, etc.) Where are the congruent principles behind these illegal laws, anyway? They aren't there.

Also, the Nephites were under a different law and covenant than the American people, so I'd hesitate to make direct comparisons in all things (like if more good than bad... destruction, and such).

[Legioncaptain of 1,000]

Legion, please clarify for me if we are living in a democracy or a republic, and the difference. Not meaning to talk down to you, but it seems we need to review basics.

democracy

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Legion, please clarify for me if we are living in a democracy or a republic, and the difference. Not meaning to talk down to you, but it seems we need to review basics.

democracy

OK, I see why we are not communicating then.

If you are stating that we in fact are LIVING in a democracy, I guess I can agree with you, but it is NOT a democracy that was set up under the constitution, it was a republic.

If you are saying that democracy is the proper form of government and a good thing, we will definitely have strong disagreement there.

[Legioncaptain of 1,000]

Legion, please clarify for me if we are living in a democracy or a republic, and the difference. Not meaning to talk down to you, but it seems we need to review basics.

democracy

OK, I see why we are not communicating then.

If you are stating that we in fact are LIVING in a democracy, I guess I can agree with you, but it is NOT a democracy that was set up under the constitution, it was a republic.

If you are saying that democracy is the proper form of government and a good thing, we will definitely have strong disagreement there.

There's no such thing as A democracy imo. Its simply a transition stage from Republic to Oligarchy.



I would say we are nearly an Oligarchy with the sole remaining thread being the franchise or right to vote (albeit very thin thread). We have democracy in that we do things by the voice of the people (elect representatives)....whether the people choose to be outspoken or quiet. Whether those people choose a king, choose a Republic (reign of judges), or choose anarchy, etc etc etc.....its according to the voice of the people.

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

Legion, please clarify for me if we are living in a democracy or a republic, and the difference. Not meaning to talk down to you, but it seems we need to review basics.

democracy

Wait what ?! We are a democracy?? Since when???

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

I worded the question poorly - I should have asked what form of government the Constitution established, not what we are currently living under...would your answer have been any different, Legion?

[davedancaptain of 1,000]

States do have a role to play to prosecute recreational drug Distrubution. Local recreational drug Distrubution is a state matter.

However, the Federal Government does have a role to regulate imports. Heroin is imported from Afghanistan, Cocaine is imported from Columbia. There is a role for the Federal Government here.

Much of our problems with CIA Black Ops is due to the consequences of the POTUS being Gad-controlled for 100 years.




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What kind of government is the United Sates? It's an unelected capitalist/elitiest run-socialist state.
Any form of democracy or even republicanism is an illusion. Special Interests run this country and have for 100 years.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

States do have a role to play to prosecute recreational drug Distrubution. Local recreational drug Distrubution is a state matter.

However, the Federal Government does have a role to regulate imports. Heroin is imported from Afghanistan, Cocaine is imported from Columbia. There is a role for the Federal Government here.

Much of our problems with CIA Black Ops is due to the consequences of the POTUS being Gad-controlled for 100 years.




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What kind of government is the United Sates? It's an unelected capitalist/elitiest run-socialist state. An oligarchy then. I'm torn between agreeing with you and with Legion's democracy answer. Maybe we are at the tipping point between democracy and oligarchy.
Any form of democracy or even republicanism is an illusion. Special Interests run this country and have for 100 years.

I agree with you on the federal proper role. I have no problem with them enforcing at the border. The problem then becomes, how do you correct the situation when federal agencies are THE major importer, and a good chunk of the government are the beneficiaries?

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

States do have a role to play to prosecute recreational drug Distrubution. Local recreational drug Distrubution is a state matter.

However, the Federal Government does have a role to regulate imports. Heroin is imported from Afghanistan, Cocaine is imported from Columbia. There is a role for the Federal Government here.

Much of our problems with CIA Black Ops is due to the consequences of the POTUS being Gad-controlled for 100 years.




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What kind of government is the United Sates? It's an unelected capitalist/elitiest run-socialist state. An oligarchy then. I'm torn between agreeing with you and with Legion's democracy answer. Maybe we are at the tipping point between democracy and oligarchy.
Any form of democracy or even republicanism is an illusion. Special Interests run this country and have for 100 years.

I agree with you on the federal proper role. I have no problem with them enforcing at the border. The problem then becomes, how do you correct the situation when federal agencies are THE major importer, and a good chunk of the government are the beneficiaries?

I agree with OI

Except the government itself imports the drugs for distribution in all 50 states. Sure, if they could stop it at the border, that's fine- but they're not going to do that. It's too lucrative of a market for them.

Besides, you need to research what the word "regulate" meant to the founders.

So... davedan... you have a definition of the word "Regulate" for me yet?

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

In reality we have an oligarchy with a facade of a republic.

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

What an intelligent response OI! I will try and cut you some slack but seriously, what a bunch of trash! It would do you some good to first seek to understand before being understood. Your posts has enmity written all over it brother. The personal attacks are getting old. I am still waiting for one person to disprove and show where Legion is wrong, but all I see is hate, pride, name calling, false accusations, talking down, and his character being thrown around in the mud all practically for a lifetime politician in the name of freedom and correct pricncipals. Maybe your the one who needs to start your own forum. I am going to stop now while i am ahead of myself.

You pegged it Semp!

[Fairmindedcaptain of 1,000]

I needed a good laugh.

[davedancaptain of 1,000]

I agree with you on the federal proper role. I have no problem with them enforcing at the border. The problem then becomes, how do you correct the situation when federal agencies are THE major importer, and a good chunk of the government are the beneficiaries?

Elect a non-Gad POTUS.



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I know some like to say "regulate = to make regular". It also means to make and promulgate regulations. Let's define "regulate" using the Constitution.

"The Congess shall have power....... To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, "
"To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;"
"To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

It doesn't matter if you think the power to regulate means to make regular or to make rules because the final section of Article 1 says the Federal Government has all authority to make laws to execute these powers. And some laws will be, "do this", and other laws will be, "don't do that".

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

And by your big government interpretation we get the rationale of Obamacare.

[Fairmindedcaptain of 1,000]

Elect a non-Gad POTUS.

I don't believe that's even possible anymore. And even were it to happen, such a president would be unable to do anything alone, and he'd find the entire system hostile to his efforts. He'd be a greater failure than that one guy who got stuck in the White House bathtub.

[JohnnyLcaptain of 1,000]

America will be judged and allowed to be destroyed for our wickedness. What wickedness is God most concerned with? The Proclaimation clearly says that the denegration of family values will bring upon us "the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophet"

I'm am all for defending the Constitution, but don't forget what sins God is most upset about. When it comes to America repenting, the most important issues are not THE FED, or NDAA, or ObamaCare. The most important issues of our time that will bring us the judgement of God are abortion, adultary, same-sex marriage, and legalizing the Distrubution of recreational drugs. These sins destroy families.

Don't get distracted from the more important issues.

"...legalizing the distribution of recreational drugs." You were fine up until that part...

Well, not even, really. Here's my look at it: why is the family being destroyed? Where is all this propaganda coming from? Who is supporting it? The Book of Mormon writers did not warn us about destruction due to sex and family destruction, but due to secret combinations, and A secret combination. It's good to pull tops, but pulling roots is most effective.