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bobhenstra wrote:
SOCIAL SECURITY NOW CALLED 'FEDERAL BENEFIT PAYMENT/ENTITLEMENT'
larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?
One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.
I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.
I don't discount the possibility. But seems he's going to have to do a lot of waking up in office. Maybe when he's given walking orders that clearly violate his conscience, and he ballks, drags his feet and hopefully starts connecting dots and doing some deep pondering; and very hopefully with a nudge from the Spirit.Legion wrote:larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?
One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.
I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.
Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.
Time will tell the story.
larsenb wrote:I don't discount the possibility. But seems he's going to have to do a lot of waking up in office. Maybe when he's given walking orders that clearly violate his conscience, and he ballks, drags his feet and hopefully starts connecting dots and doing some deep pondering; and very hopefully with a nudge from the Spirit.Legion wrote:larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?
One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.
I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.
Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.
Time will tell the story.
But then you have to ask: why hasn't this happened already while he's been in positions of power?

Legion wrote:larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?
One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.
I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.
Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.
Time will tell the story.

bobhenstra wrote:SOCIAL SECURITY NOW CALLED 'FEDERAL BENEFIT PAYMENT/ENTITLEMENT'
Have you noticed, your Social Security check is now referred to as a "federal benefit payment"?
I'll be part of the one percent, to forward this, our government gets away with way too much in all areas of our lives, while they live lavishly on their grossly overpaid incomes! KEEP passing THIS AROUND UNTIL EVERY ONE HAS READ IT.....
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THIS CALCULATION IS THEY FORGOT TO FIGURE IN THE PEOPLE WHO DIED BEFORE THEY COLLECTED THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY!!!! WHERE DID THAT MONEY GO?????????????
This was sent to me, I am forwarding it because it does touch a nerve in me.
This is another example of what Rick Perry called "TREASON in high places" !!! Get angry and pass this on!
Remember, not only did you contribute to Social Security but your employer did too. It totaled 15% of your income before taxes. If you averaged only $30K over your working life, that's close to $220,500.
If you calculate the future value of $4,500 per year (yours & your employer's contribution) at a simple 5% (less than what the government pays on the money that it borrows), after 49 years of working you'd have $892,919.98.
If you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $26,787.60 per year and it would last better than 30 years (until you're 95 if you retire at age 65) and that's with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit! If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you'd have a lifetime income of $2,976.40 per month.
The folks in Washington have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madhoff ever had.
Entitlement my butt, I paid cash for my social security insurance!!!! Just because they borrowed the money, doesn't make my benefits some kind of charity or handout!!
Congressional benefits ---- free healthcare, outrageous retirement packages, 67 paid holidays, three weeks paid vacation, unlimited paid sick days, now that's welfare, and they have the nerve to call my social security retirement entitlements?
We're "broke" and can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless.
In the last months we have provided aid to Haiti, Chile , and Turkey . And now Pakistan ......home of bin Laden. Literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!
Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid nor do they get any breaks while our government and religious organizations pour Hundreds of Billions of $$$$$$'s and Tons of Food to Foreign Countries!
They call Social Security and Medicare an entitlement even though most of us have been paying for it all our working lives and now when it’s time for us to collect, the government is running out of money. Why did the government borrow from it in the first place? Imagine if the *GOVERNMENT* gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries.
Sad isn't it?
Bobby
Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'" Roger Morgan from the Coalition for a Drug Free California argues that "if the war on drugs had a failing, it is because 90% of our resources have been spent trying to interdict support ... while only 1% was spent on prevention.
Congressman Paul has repeatedly stated that prohibition of alcohol didn't work in the 1920s. What Mr. Paul failed to mention was that once prohibition was repealed, per capita consumption increased three fold increasing the incidences of health, welfare and traffic related deaths related to alcoholism. Libertarians, like Paul, use this same logic to defend their stance of legalizing marijuana. Again, they fail to cite that there is already a past history of legalization of recreational pot in the state of Alaska in the late 1980s. Several years later, Alaskan legislators decided to reverse the law, after teenage use of marijuana practically tripled overnight when adult consumption in their state was legalized.
davedan wrote:I'm sure the fabian socialist/globalists elites would love to crash the economy under Romney's watch.
However, I think Obama gets another 4 years.
The elites have controlled the POTUS for 100 years. They arent about to loose all their progress by having an outsider become POTUS and start fixing things in this country.
bobhenstra wrote:Truth B Known wrote:Bob, you seem like an aware, well-informed and intelligent man which has me perplexed to the umteenth degree - how can you logically and reasonably support Romney given what we know about his past actions, flip-flopping and financial backing by the same entities (big banks and Wall Street) who donated and funded Obama to power??? Makes no sense at all and please don't give me the 'priesthood holder' balogna. Here you are on an LDS Freedom Forum discussion board declaring your support for a candidate who has been promoted and funded by the mainstream media, Washington establishment and big financial powers in this country, many of whom were the beneficiaries of the trillions in bail-outs since 2008 - makes zero sense my friend - are you for the Constitution? Are you for sound money? Are you for morals, ethics and defeating the LDG's? If so, Romney ain't your man. You really don't see the err of it do you?
Flagg, I'm very well aware of all the accusations you paulistas make against Mitt Romney! Do you hear what I'm saying Flagg? I'M AWARE! Your accusations don't bother me!
Flagg, are you aware that Romney has won the Republican nomination? Ron Paul lost and has admitted it, so Flagg, are you still going to waste you vote on RP, the potted plant??
Flagg, you bet I am going to vote for Romney because he holds the Holy Priesthood, why would you not??
Flagg, are you aware that the ldgs are so strongly entrenched that only the Priesthood and revelation has a chance to break up the ldg's power???
Flagg, are you aware that this election is our last chance? And Ron Paul is not a part of that chance, Flagg, he never has been! A wasted vote for Ron Paul is a vote for admitting defeat, your admitting the ldg's have won, and Flagg, your soooo unprepared------
Bob
larsenb wrote:I don't discount the possibility. But seems he's going to have to do a lot of waking up in office. Maybe when he's given walking orders that clearly violate his conscience, and he ballks, drags his feet and hopefully starts connecting dots and doing some deep pondering; and very hopefully with a nudge from the Spirit.Legion wrote:larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?
One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.
I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.
Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.
Time will tell the story.
But then you have to ask: why hasn't this happened already while he's been in positions of power?
Original_Intent wrote:Legion wrote:larsenb wrote:Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?
One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.
I thought Paul Craig Roberts piece was an excellent simple and concise summary of what is happening in the financial world.
Yeah I've ranted about that angle in the past. Anything is possible. Including the opposite which is that Mitt has been put in this position for positive impact.
Time will tell the story.
Right, and the Lord has clearly told us "when in doubt, vote for the priesthood holder, and keep your fingers crossed that he has spent his entire career supporting wrong causes just to throw the powers that be off-track.."

bobhenstra wrote:OI, Flagg, AG, Belle and others here should have run for POTUS themselves so absolutely honest perfect people would be on the ballot![]()
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bobhenstra wrote:OI, Flagg, AG, Belle and others here should have run for POTUS themselves so absolutely honest perfect people would be on the ballot![]()
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Col. Flagg wrote:bobhenstra wrote:OI, Flagg, AG, Belle and others here should have run for POTUS themselves so absolutely honest perfect people would be on the ballot![]()
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Bob, I thought Genola only produced wise, politically literate people?
Stella Solaris wrote:Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'" Roger Morgan from the Coalition for a Drug Free California argues that "if the war on drugs had a failing, it is because 90% of our resources have been spent trying to interdict support ... while only 1% was spent on prevention.
Congressman Paul has repeatedly stated that prohibition of alcohol didn't work in the 1920s. What Mr. Paul failed to mention was that once prohibition was repealed, per capita consumption increased three fold increasing the incidences of health, welfare and traffic related deaths related to alcoholism. Libertarians, like Paul, use this same logic to defend their stance of legalizing marijuana. Again, they fail to cite that there is already a past history of legalization of recreational pot in the state of Alaska in the late 1980s. Several years later, Alaskan legislators decided to reverse the law, after teenage use of marijuana practically tripled overnight when adult consumption in their state was legalized.
The above was written by James Lambert and is taken from --> http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/lambert/111231

Original_Intent wrote:Right, and the Lord has clearly told us "when in doubt, vote for the priesthood holder, and keep your fingers crossed that he has spent his entire career supporting wrong causes just to throw the powers that be off-track.."

Stella Solaris wrote:Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'" Roger Morgan from the Coalition for a Drug Free California argues that "if the war on drugs had a failing, it is because 90% of our resources have been spent trying to interdict support ... while only 1% was spent on prevention.
Congressman Paul has repeatedly stated that prohibition of alcohol didn't work in the 1920s. What Mr. Paul failed to mention was that once prohibition was repealed, per capita consumption increased three fold increasing the incidences of health, welfare and traffic related deaths related to alcoholism. Libertarians, like Paul, use this same logic to defend their stance of legalizing marijuana. Again, they fail to cite that there is already a past history of legalization of recreational pot in the state of Alaska in the late 1980s. Several years later, Alaskan legislators decided to reverse the law, after teenage use of marijuana practically tripled overnight when adult consumption in their state was legalized.
The above was written by James Lambert and is taken from --> http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/lambert/111231
JohnnyL wrote:Original_Intent wrote:Right, and the Lord has clearly told us "when in doubt, vote for the priesthood holder, and keep your fingers crossed that he has spent his entire career supporting wrong causes just to throw the powers that be off-track.."

Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'.
DrJones wrote:Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'.
Just look what is happening with the opium-poppie fields in Afghanistan -- more than doubled since the US invaded, and protected by whom? US soldiers! so, where is the war on drugs? certainly not in Afghanistan.
Answer me that!
larsenb wrote...
Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Lord may be allowing Mitt to gain the presidency as part of His judgment against LDS who have been blind politically and have neglected to tend to and mind the Constitution, ignoring the injunction to choose and support wise leaders who would do so?
One could think of many ways an LDS president could bring a lot of wrath down on the heads of LDS, given the rise of any number of disaster scenarios, including more and greater wars and financial hardship.
Original_Intent wrote:DrJones wrote:Juliette wrote:The war on drugs hasn't failed entirely, as the level of drug use was actually held in check for two decades until the Obama Administration allowed the proliferation of 'medical pot.'.
Just look what is happening with the opium-poppie fields in Afghanistan -- more than doubled since the US invaded, and protected by whom? US soldiers! so, where is the war on drugs? certainly not in Afghanistan.
Answer me that!
Indeed more than doubled - I believe a 500%+ increase in the ten years of the occupation.
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