Itzamna/Quetzalcoatl will die June 5th...

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Itzamna/Kukulchan/Quetzalcoatl (different names for the same white and bearded Deity) is about to die and enter the spirit world Xibalba. Itzamna is associated with the great planet Venus in Mayan lore.

In a few short days (after passing the sun), He will emerge from the spirit world and will be resurrected and therefore will appear as the Morning Star in the sky, rising shortly before sunrise.

Thus, to the Maya, the "bright and morning star" refers to the resurrected Deity Itzamna.

Revelation 22: 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

I surmise that this Mayan legend is founded in truth; and that Jesus visited the Maya as He visited several peoples (3 Nephi explains this) -- following His resurrection in Jerusalem.

There is more to say about this Itzamna and His return, after the end of the present Great Cycle (2012 December 23 + or - a few days) -- near the beginning of the next Great Cycle of time; say the Mayan prophecies.

CNN, 1 June 2012

Get ready for the 'Transit of Venus'

There's a lot of excitement surrounding the "Transit of Venus," even though this rare astronomical event will yield little scientific value.

On Tuesday, Venus will cross the face of the sun. The transit will take about seven hours and begin at 6:09 p.m. EDT.

The next time Venus journeys across the sun will be in the year 2117, says Jack Lissauer, Kepler Mission co-investigator and planetary scientist at NASA Ames Research.

"This is the last chance for almost everybody unless we have huge medical advances," Lissauer says.


In 1769 Capt. James Cook set up an observation point in Tahiti, French Polynesia, where he collected data on Venus during the transit that took place over 243 years ago. To this day, the place Cook observed Venus’ trek across the sun is known as Point Venus.


Tour operators are advertising trips to Point Venus to watch this once-in-a-lifetime event. “To be on the same spot that Cook was in the South Pacific, there’s a real unique historical significance to that,” said Nick Panza, vice president for Air Tahiti Nui, when asked about the company’s vacation package. “For that reason we think it’s the best place in the world to observe it from.”

For those who want to watch the entire six-hour, 40-minute transit, Tahiti is a good place to be. “If you are in a certain part of the globe, and this includes Alaska and much of the Pacific and eastern Australia and some of northeast Asia, you can see the entire transit,” Lissauer says.

It may be tempting, but please follow this warning: DO NOT STARE AT THE SUN.

If you want to look at the transit before sunset, you need a special pair of glasses, a telescope with a special filter or a pinhole camera so you do not damage your eyes.

If you are worried about your eyes or you can’t make it to Tahiti to watch the entire transit, you can still witness this rare event. NASA will be providing a webcast from the summit of Mauna Kea in Hawaii.

Viewers in the mid-Pacific will have great views in particular because the sun will be high overhead during the crossing. And in the United States, sunset will offer the best views.

At sunrise in 2004, the end of the Transit of Venus was visible in the eastern United States. This time it will be sunset when people throughout the contiguous United States will be able to observe part of the transit. According to Lissauer, sunset is the best time to watch because you can observe Venus with the naked eye.

“When the sun is very close to the horizon and it is very red and you can normally look at the sun without hurting your eyes,” Lissauer says. “Then you can actually look at the sun directly and you will see this little circle caused by Venus blocking part of the sun’s light.”

This event may be more historical than scientific, but it is one astronomical event that can be enjoyed by all.

Past Transits of Venus were used to understand the size of the solar system and the distance between planets, Lissauer said.

“It’s an interesting and unusual astronomical event, one that people can see actually with their own eyes, and it has a lot of historical significance.”

[Scarecrowcaptain of 100]

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[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Is this the "Woman clothed with the Sun"?

Itzamna is a white bearded man, a God to the Maya, and not a woman.
They taught their children to watch the motion of Venus and to think of the life of this great man, his death, sojourn in Xibalba, and resurrection, and thus to remember Him whenever they saw Venus moving in the sky.

Just as Venus has time-periods that repeat, so they believed that major events in the earth's history will repeat. The Mayan long-count calendar cycle began in August 3114 BC; the previous long-cycle ended at that time with a great and devastating flood. That flood (they say) was 5,126 years ago... about the time of Noah's flood, it appears.

And so, at the end of the current great cycle in about December 2012, there will be great devastation once again -- this time, earthquakes and fire. The Mayan prophecies were recorded at least 2000 years ago; and now we are fast approaching the time foretold. Whether or not these were true prophecies... we may find out very soon.

And then, sometime as the new cycle begins, Itzamna will return -- so say the two-millenia-old Mayan prophecies.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Note -- I corrected the title of this thread; the venus crossing will occur next Tuesday, June 5th...
So there is still an opportunity to get those dark-dark glasses to permit viewing.
This from the NASA site:

May 18, 2012: On June 5th, 2012, Venus will pass across the face of the sun, producing a silhouette that no one alive today will likely see again.

Transits of Venus are very rare, coming in pairs separated by more than a hundred years. This June's transit, the bookend of a 2004-2012 pair, won't be repeated until the year 2117. Fortunately, the event is widely visible. Observers on seven continents, even a sliver of Antarctica, will be in position to see it.
Transit of Venus (splash)
Click on the image to view a ScienceCast video about the 2012 Transit of Venus. Photo credit: David Finlay of Sydney, Australia (June 8, 2004).

The nearly 7-hour transit begins at 3:09 pm Pacific Daylight Time (22:09 UT) on June 5th. The timing favors observers in the mid-Pacific where the sun is high overhead during the crossing. In the USA, the transit will at its best around sunset. That's good, too. Creative photographers will have a field day imaging the swollen red sun "punctured" by the circular disk of Venus.

Observing tip: Do not stare at the sun. Venus covers too little of the solar disk to block the blinding glare. Instead, use some type of projection technique or a solar filter. A #14 welder's glass is a good choice. Many astronomy clubs will have solar telescopes set up to observe the event; contact your local club for details.
Transit of Venus (halpha,200px)
The June 8, 2004, transit of Venus photographed by Frans Snik at the Dutch Open Telescope in La Palma, Canary Islands. [more]

Transits of Venus first gained worldwide attention in the 18th century. In those days, the size of the solar system was one of the biggest mysteries of science. The relative spacing of planets was known, but not their absolute distances. How many miles would you have to travel to reach another world? The answer was as mysterious then as the nature of dark energy is now.

Venus was the key, according to astronomer Edmund Halley. He realized that by observing transits from widely-spaced locations on Earth it should be possible to triangulate the distance to Venus using the principles of parallax.

The idea galvanized scientists who set off on expeditions around the world to view a pair of transits in the 1760s. The great explorer James Cook himself was dispatched to observe one from Tahiti, a place as alien to 18th-century Europeans as the Moon or Mars might seem to us now. Some historians have called the international effort the "the Apollo program of the 18th century."

In retrospect, the experiment falls into the category of things that sound better than they actually are. Bad weather, primitive optics, the natural "fuzziness" of Venus’s atmosphere, and other factors prevented those early observers from gathering the data they needed. Proper timing of a transit would have to wait for the invention of photography in the century after Cook’s voyage. In the late 1800s, astronomers armed with cameras finally measured the size of the Solar System as Edmund Halley had suggested.
Transit of Venus (iss, 200px)
A double transit: the ISS+Venus on June 8, 2004. Photo credit: Tomas Maruska of Stupava, Slovakia [more]

This year’s transit is the second of an 8-year pair. Anticipation was high in June 2004 as Venus approached the sun. No one alive at the time had seen a Transit of Venus with their own eyes, and the hand-drawn sketches and grainy photos of previous centuries scarcely prepared them for what was about to happen. Modern solar telescopes captured unprecedented view of Venus’s atmosphere backlit by solar fire. They saw Venus transiting the sun’s ghostly corona, and gliding past magnetic filaments big enough to swallow the planet whole. One photographer even caught a spaceship, the International Space Station, transiting the sun alongside Venus.

2012 should be even better as cameras and solar telescopes have improved. Moreover, NASA’s Solar Dynamics Observatory is going to be watching too. SDO will produce Hubble-quality images of this rare event.

[Zkulptorcaptain of 100]

June 5th? that's my birthday, I hope the world ends, because I have an IRS audit on the 7th

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

It'd be interesting to correlate the Mayan Calendar with our modern Gregorian Calendar to see just how far the ancient Mayans were off on Steve's understanding that the flood happened 5126 years ago. I think the great flood happened around 4355 years ago. The Mayan Calendar is a very accurate Calendar, and except for having no year zero, so is the Gregorian Calendar. But the lack of a year Zero isn't blocking truth, it simply must be accounted for.

I'm in the middle of reloading 5000 .223 ammo right now, can't get to calendar studies!

Bob

[Tribunalcaptain of 1,000]

It'd be interesting to correlate the Mayan Calendar with our modern Gregorian Calendar to see just how far the ancient Mayans were off on Steve's understanding that the flood happened 5126 years ago. I think the great flood happened around 4355 years ago. The Mayan Calendar is a very accurate Calendar, and except for having no year zero, so is the Gregorian Calendar. But the lack of a year Zero isn't blocking truth, it simply must be accounted for.

I'm in the middle of reloading 5000 .223 ammo right now, can't get to calendar studies!

Bob

5000!? That's awesome!

Hey Bob, there's a place in the SLC area that sells ammo to law enforcement at cost. I can get 1000 9mm rounds for about $220. Other ammo is also priced well.

[Tribunalcaptain of 1,000]

Is this the "Woman clothed with the Sun"?

Itzamna is a white bearded man, a God to the Maya, and not a woman.
They taught their children to watch the motion of Venus and to think of the life of this great man, his death, sojourn in Xibalba, and resurrection, and thus to remember Him whenever they saw Venus moving in the sky.

Just as Venus has time-periods that repeat, so they believed that major events in the earth's history will repeat. The Mayan long-count calendar cycle began in August 3114 BC; the previous long-cycle ended at that time with a great and devastating flood. That flood (they say) was 5,126 years ago... about the time of Noah's flood, it appears.

And so, at the end of the current great cycle in about December 2012, there will be great devastation once again -- this time, earthquakes and fire. The Mayan prophecies were recorded at least 2000 years ago; and now we are fast approaching the time foretold. Whether or not these were true prophecies... we may find out very soon.

And then, sometime as the new cycle begins, Itzamna will return -- so say the two-millenia-old Mayan prophecies.

Dr. Jones, I would like to see a comprehensive study of all ancient cultures and all their major characters. I'll bet all things considered our past is very interesting!

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

It'd be interesting to correlate the Mayan Calendar with our modern Gregorian Calendar to see just how far the ancient Mayans were off on Steve's understanding that the flood happened 5126 years ago. I think the great flood happened around 4355 years ago. The Mayan Calendar is a very accurate Calendar, and except for having no year zero, so is the Gregorian Calendar. But the lack of a year Zero isn't blocking truth, it simply must be accounted for.

I'm in the middle of reloading 5000 .223 ammo right now, can't get to calendar studies!

Bob

5000!? That's awesome!

Hey Bob, there's a place in the SLC area that sells ammo to law enforcement at cost. I can get 1000 9mm rounds for about $220. Other ammo is also priced well.

Thanks, but reloading keeps me busy, I really enjoy it!

Bob

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

So here it is, June 5th. Itzamna/Quetzalcoatl is passing the sun (the Maya would say, He is in the spirit world) right now.

He will reappear as the resurrected "Bright and Morning Star" (Rev 22) very soon. Count on it.
Itzamna will return to the earth, say the Maya, shortly after the great earthquakes and fires that mark the end of the current Great Cycle of time.

The orbits of Mercury and Venus lie inside Earth's orbit, so they are the only planets which can pass between Earth and Sun to produce a transit. This transit is one of the rarest sights in astronomy. For a transit of Venus to occur, Venus has to move directly between Earth and the Sun so that an imaginary observer looking "down" on the solar system from above would see the three bodies form a perfectly straight line. When this happens, astronomers say that Venus came to inferior conjunction. Venus orbits the Sun faster and in a smaller orbit, and it comes to these inferior conjunctions every 584 Earth days. Venus's orbital plane is tipped 3.4 degrees relative to Earth's orbital plane. The planes cross each other at two points called nodes. To get a transit, Venus has to be at inferior conjunction at the exact same time it's at a node. Two events must occur simultaneously, and it's rare to have such perfect synchrony. Normally, Venus's inclined orbit means it is located "above" or "below" the Sun when it comes to inferior conjunction.

Earth's orbit around the Sun is slightly elongated (iseccentric), deviating from a perfect circle by about 3 percent, while Venus's orbit is very close to being a perfect circle. For the past few centuries and the next few centuries, these perfect alignments occur at intervals of 8, 105½, 8, and 121½ years. It is a 243-year cycle, with pairs of transits separated by only 8 years, but with each pair separated by more than a century. Venus crosses the southern part of the Sun's disk in the first transit, and the northern part in the second transit. This time, Venus will cross the northern part of the Sun's disk on June 5th/6th.
When to watch?

Venus moves from being an evening "star" to being a morning "star" by passing in front of the Sun on June 5. Because of the International Date Line, this event will occur on Wednesday June 6 in Asia, Australia, Africa, and Europe. During this transit, an observer on Earth can track the planet Venus as it crosses the disc of the Sun. In North America the best time will be in the hours before sunset on Tuesday afternoon, June 5th. In Europe, Africa, and Australia, Venus will be in transit as the sun rises on Wednesday morning. In most of Asia and across the Pacific Ocean transit will be visible during all Wednesday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWEuOxKM ... e=youtu.be

[Jerath23captain of 10]

So here it is, June 5th. Itzamna/Quetzalcoatl is passing the sun (the Maya would say, He is in the spirit world) right now.

He will reappear as the resurrected "Bright and Morning Star" (Rev 22) very soon. Count on it.
Itzamna will return to the earth, say the Maya, shortly after the great earthquakes and fires that mark the end of the current Great Cycle of time.

Do you think that means the Mayans are predicting the earthquakes and such directly after the passing or that the earthquakes will happen sometime after like possibly Dec 21st or so? What do you think?

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

So here it is, June 5th. Itzamna/Quetzalcoatl is passing the sun (the Maya would say, He is in the spirit world) right now.

He will reappear as the resurrected "Bright and Morning Star" (Rev 22) very soon. Count on it.
Itzamna will return to the earth, say the Maya, shortly after the great earthquakes and fires that mark the end of the current Great Cycle of time.

Do you think that means the Mayans are predicting the earthquakes and such directly after the passing or that the earthquakes will happen sometime after like possibly Dec 21st or so? What do you think?

The latter: The Maya held a view of time in which history repeats itself. In particular, at the end of EACH great cycle one should expect great devastations -- followed by renewal. Of course, there aren't that many great cycles in recorded history because each Great Cycle lasts thousands of years.

It is interesting that the end of the CURRENT Great Cycle of time occurs near the end of THIS YEAR, 2012. Here we are in June 2012. The ancient Mayan prophecies (Fwiw) predict great earthquakes and fires at the end of 2012.