Azriel wrote:Maybe I shouldn't have lumped you in with Mark, my post was mostly directed at him because almost every thread I read has comments like these from him. In fact, you may have been trying to get him to tone it down. Sorry to do that. I am not "pissed off". Nor am I in the "people like you" group that you think I am. It does hurt to come here to discuss truth and have people accuse me of apostasy when all that matters in life to me is the Savior and how to return to him. I identify with the OP and those who agree who are sincere. In defense of myself and them I made my post; it was meant to be very direct, but maybe I was over the top. Sorry. However, I am serious about this.
Ok. Let's back up then.
Are you serious about just getting personal revelation?
If so, go for it.
Are you serious about sharing those personal revelations?
If so, go for it, because sometimes it is obvious that it is ok to share some of it. But keep in mind that the sacredness of some of that ought to make it obvious that there is a line that you can cross where it is inapropriate to share it, especially publicly and common sense should tell you when you cross that line. If you cross that line, we are just telling you that in our opinion it is inappropriate. The consequence, we believe, is that the Lord is not pleased, and will not trust you after you let the cat out of the bag. There is such thing as a blabbermouth. What you do with our opinion is your own business, but we can't tell you how to live. Furthermore, just because you get a revelation or a manifestation, it is only binding on you. It is not binding on those you tell about it. Many times those people that tell stuff about it do it with the intent to be recognized as a special person of some sort that has come to minister to others, or has been called to some kind of ministry of some sort. And then people tell us we are evil because we aren't saluting to the flag these people are raising.
Are you serious about following after people that are starting groups that claim special gifts and special authorizations apart from priesthood keys?
If so, go for it. But I have something to say about that too, where we think that this is not only inappropriate, but that it has eternal consequences unless repented of. You can do what you want, but we think that someone ought to warn you about taking that risk, because temple covenants are involved in this one.
Are you going to find fault with the Lord's anointed and express how you think that they don't know how to lead or that there is something wrong with what they are doing?
If so, go for it. But I have something to say about that. That also has consequences unless repented of, because again, temple covenants are involved in that one too. If it isn't perfectly clear to you that if you have been to the temple and covenanted not to do these things, then you ought to go through an endowment again and get a review.
I don't care what you do, because I'm done caring what people like you do. I have my own problems to deal with, and what people like you choose is not my problem anymore. I can't invest emotional energy to it anymore. But you ought to be conscious about the consequences of your actions. And those that some of you are following certainly are not warning you of those consequences.