The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby BlueMoon5 » Wed May 23, 2012 5:22 pm

2BFree wrote:
BlueMoon5 wrote:Note the following:

Northwestern University Professor of Civil Engineering Zdeněk Bažant, who was the first to offer a published peer-reviewed theory of the collapses, wrote "a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives" as an exception.[82] Bažant and Verdure trace such "strange ideas" to a "mistaken impression" that safety margins in design would make the collapses impossible. One of the effects of a more detailed modeling of the progressive collapse, they say, could be to "dispel the myth of planted explosives". Indeed, Bažant and Verdure have proposed examining data from controlled demolitions in order to better model the progressive collapse of the towers, suggesting that progressive collapse and controlled demolition are not two separate modes of failure (as the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory assumes).[2]

Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also dismissed the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory.[3] Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."[83]

Regarding Jones' theory that nanothermite was used to bring down the towers, and the assertion that thermite and nanothermite composites were found in the dust and debris were found following the collapse of the three buildings, which was concluded to be proof that explosives brought down the buildings,[10][6][7][84] Brent Blanchard, author of "A History of Explosive Demolition in America",[85] states that questions about the viability of Jones' theories remain unanswered, such as the fact that no demolition personnel noticed any telltale signs of thermite during the eight months of debris removal following the towers' collapse. Blanchard also stated that a verifiable chain of possession needs to be established for the tested beams, which did not occur with the beams Jones tested, raising questions of whether the metal pieces tested could have been cut away from the debris pile with acetylene torches, shears, or other potentially contaminated equipment while on site, or exposed to trace amounts of thermite or other compounds while being handled, while in storage, or while being transferred from Ground Zero to memorial sites.[86] Dave Thomas of Skeptical Inquirer magazine, noting that the residue in question was claimed to be thermitic because of its iron oxide and aluminum composition, pointed out that these substances are found in many items common to the towers. Thomas stated that in order to cut through a vertical steel beam, special high-temperature containment must be added to prevent the molten iron from dropping down, and that the thermite reaction is too slow for it to be practically used in building demolition. Thomas pointed out that when Jesse Ventura hired New Mexico Tech to conduct a demonstration showing nanothermite slicing through a large steel beam, the nanothermite produced copious flame and smoke but no damage to the beam, even though it was in a horizontal, and therefore optimal position.[87]

Preparing a building for a controlled demolition takes considerable time and effort.[88] The tower walls would have had to be opened on dozens of floors.[6] Thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms would need to be sneaked past security and placed in the towers[6][89] without the tens of thousands of people working in the World Trade Center noticing.[1][45][88][89][90][91] Referring to a conversation with Stuart Vyse, a professor of psychology, an article in the Hartford Advocate asks, "How many hundreds of people would you need to acquire the explosives, plant them in the buildings, arrange for the airplanes to crash [...] and, perhaps most implausibly of all, never breathe a single word of this conspiracy?"[92] (Source for all of the foregoing: Wikipedia, "World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories - 7 World Trade Center.")


The "progressive collapse theory" was rejected long ago due to the fact the towers "collapsed" too quickly and the "bathtub" that the towers were built in was not damaged since there was no material to damage it when the towers dissolved. Also the seismic signature of both towers which were built on bedrock was around 2.3 on the Richter Scale which compared to the Seattle Kingdome seismic signature (2.1) which was only 1/4 the mass of one of the towers and was not built on bedrock is about the equivalent to a 20 story building collapse which is interesting because the debris pile of the two towers was approximately what you would find after a 20 story building fell so where did the other 90 stories go? As I said before, the evidence does not support either the NIST claims of "collapse due to fire" or the controlled demolition hypothesis since both would have destroyed the "bathtub" and flooded lower Manhattan with the Hudson River and the seismic signature is too low. BM2...please refrain from regurgitating Wikipedia propaganda and try for once to do some real research and critically think for yourself...thanks


Actually, I don't hold seven honorary doctorates, and I'm not a Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Material Science and Engineering at Northwestern University, as is Zdenek Bazant. . .my name is not on 15 patents, and I'm not a Professor of Materials Science at a place called MIT, as is Thomas Eager. . .I haven't personally witnessed--and documented--dozens of controlled demolitions, as has Brent Blanchard. . .and I'm not a professor of psychology, as is Stuart Vyse, whose speciality is the psychology of irrational behavior and who finds the utter silence by the alleged "bombers" to be inconceivable. Sometimes, it's a good idea to appeal to authority, which raises the question, what are your credentials?
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby Rob » Wed May 23, 2012 5:28 pm

Wikipedia :)) Classic BM :ymapplause:

Oh, yeah... page 2
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby moonwhim » Wed May 23, 2012 6:05 pm

Expert Group Rejects World Trade Center Reports
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BEVERLY HILLS, Calif., May 22, 2012 — ENGINEERS POINT TO EVIDENCE OF SCIENTIFIC FRAUD

CALL FOR INDEPENDENT 9/11 INVESTIGATION

Documentary World Premiere — FINAL EDITION

“9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out“

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif., May 22, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — If you thought that the fires at the World Trade Center twin towers, set off by the horrific jetliner impacts of September 11, 2001, were the cause of the destruction of those iconic skyscrapers, you may be mistaken. Experts now cite evidence showing that high-temperature incendiaries and explosives were planted throughout the twin towers and the lesser-known 47-story Building 7, also destroyed later the same day.

So says a group of architects and engineers nearly 1700 strong, represented by Richard Gage, AIA, founder of Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth and the director/producer of a new documentary. Two years in the making, the documentary “9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out – FINAL EDITION ” officially debuted today, with a red carpet treatment and press conference at the Beverly Music Hall, after a preliminary showing yesterday in San Diego’s Joyce Beers Center.

Famed actor Ed Asner, host and narrator of AE911Truth’s micro-documentary “Architects & Engineers – Solving the Mystery of WTC 7,” joined Gage at the Beverly Hills kickoff and helped introduce the film. Also lending some star power to the Beverly Hills opening night was veteran Hollywood actor John Heard. High-rise architect Robert McCoy, one of the respected building professionals featured in Experts Speak Out, also attended the opening.

A variety of special guests will appear with Gage at other premiere locations across the country, including experts featured in the film, family members of 9/11 victims, and prominent public figures who support 9/11 Truth. Mechanical engineer Tony Szamboti and 9/11 family member Bob McIlvaine, who made headlines with their explosive 9/11 interview by Geraldo on Fox News in 2010, will attend the premiere screening in Philadelphia on June 25.

The film features 43 experts in building engineering, physics, chemistry, and other technical fields, plus a half-dozen psychologists who discussed …

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http://www.AE911Truth.org/pr

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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby 2BFree » Wed May 23, 2012 7:16 pm

BlueMoon5 wrote:Actually, I don't hold seven honorary doctorates, and I'm not a Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Material Science and Engineering at Northwestern University, as is Zdenek Bazant. . .my name is not on 15 patents, and I'm not a Professor of Materials Science at a place called MIT, as is Thomas Eager. . .I haven't personally witnessed--and documented--dozens of controlled demolitions, as has Brent Blanchard. . .and I'm not a professor of psychology, as is Stuart Vyse, whose speciality is the psychology of irrational behavior and who finds the utter silence by the alleged "bombers" to be inconceivable. Sometimes, it's a good idea to appeal to authority, which raises the question, what are your credentials?


Well, this speaks mountains...you didn't even consider my post did you? All you are able to do is attack the messenger instead of being an intelligent, critical thinking, objective man who has the capacity of thinking for himself. No, you don't want to go there and instead allow others with "credentials" to think and speak for you. Well, I am sorry for you. In the future BM2 please be so kind as to examine and comment on the content of the post rather than post debunked drivel from Wikipedia no matter what the "credentials" may be of the "authorities". How do you know if by appealing to "authority" you are supporting incorrect and false conclusions? My "credentials" are of no concern...but the information and topic are of grave concern which you seem unable to grasp.
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby BlueMoon5 » Wed May 23, 2012 8:27 pm

2BFree wrote:
BlueMoon5 wrote:Actually, I don't hold seven honorary doctorates, and I'm not a Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Material Science and Engineering at Northwestern University, as is Zdenek Bazant. . .my name is not on 15 patents, and I'm not a Professor of Materials Science at a place called MIT, as is Thomas Eager. . .I haven't personally witnessed--and documented--dozens of controlled demolitions, as has Brent Blanchard. . .and I'm not a professor of psychology, as is Stuart Vyse, whose speciality is the psychology of irrational behavior and who finds the utter silence by the alleged "bombers" to be inconceivable. Sometimes, it's a good idea to appeal to authority, which raises the question, what are your credentials?


: Well, this speaks mountains...you didn't even consider my post did you?


Yes, I did. To my surprise, you distance yourself from the CD theory (and here I thought you were a dedicated Truther).

: All you are able to do is attack the messenger. . .


Perhaps you're being a tad hypersensitive.

. . . instead of being an intelligent, critical thinking, objective man who has the capacity of thinking for himself.


Only the uneducated think solely for themselves.

: No, you don't want to go there and instead allow others with "credentials" to think and speak for you.


Are you a library unto yourself?

: Well, I am sorry for you. In the future BM2 please be so kind as to examine and comment on the content of the post rather than post debunked drivel from Wikipedia no matter what the "credentials" may be of the "authorities".


Wikipedia's articles are written by specialists in their respective disciplines. Furthermore, most are extensively footnoted. Let's see, don't you say something above about "attack[ing] the messenger"? Eh?

: How do you know if by appealing to "authority" you are supporting incorrect and false conclusions?


Did you mean to say you aren't? :) That aside, experience, education, accomplishments, professional positions held, honors--they are key indicators. A person doesn't have his/her name on 15 patents by being a slouch.

: My "credentials" are of no concern...


Uh-huh.

: but the information and topic are of grave concern which you seem unable to grasp.


That's a possibility.
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby Rob » Wed May 23, 2012 8:35 pm

2BFree wrote:My "credentials" are of no concern
Yeah, but he needs a straw man. What else is he gonna do, logically argue the science? :))
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby 2BFree » Wed May 23, 2012 10:10 pm

BlueMoon5 wrote:
2BFree wrote:
BlueMoon5 wrote:Actually, I don't hold seven honorary doctorates, and I'm not a Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Material Science and Engineering at Northwestern University, as is Zdenek Bazant. . .my name is not on 15 patents, and I'm not a Professor of Materials Science at a place called MIT, as is Thomas Eager. . .I haven't personally witnessed--and documented--dozens of controlled demolitions, as has Brent Blanchard. . .and I'm not a professor of psychology, as is Stuart Vyse, whose speciality is the psychology of irrational behavior and who finds the utter silence by the alleged "bombers" to be inconceivable. Sometimes, it's a good idea to appeal to authority, which raises the question, what are your credentials?


: Well, this speaks mountains...you didn't even consider my post did you?


Yes, I did. To my surprise, you distance yourself from the CD theory (and here I thought you were a dedicated Truther).

: All you are able to do is attack the messenger. . .


Perhaps you're being a tad hypersensitive.

. . . instead of being an intelligent, critical thinking, objective man who has the capacity of thinking for himself.


Only the uneducated think solely for themselves.

: No, you don't want to go there and instead allow others with "credentials" to think and speak for you.


Are you a library unto yourself?

: Well, I am sorry for you. In the future BM2 please be so kind as to examine and comment on the content of the post rather than post debunked drivel from Wikipedia no matter what the "credentials" may be of the "authorities".


Wikipedia's articles are written by specialists in their respective disciplines. Furthermore, most are extensively footnoted. Let's see, don't you say something above about "attack[ing] the messenger"? Eh?

: How do you know if by appealing to "authority" you are supporting incorrect and false conclusions?


Did you mean to say you aren't? :) That aside, experience, education, accomplishments, professional positions held, honors--they are key indicators. A person doesn't have his/her name on 15 patents by being a slouch.

: My "credentials" are of no concern...


Uh-huh.

: but the information and topic are of grave concern which you seem unable to grasp.


That's a possibility.


BM2...I'm not going to stoop to your level of ignorance and insult especially about a topic so important and critical to the survival of this country. It is so sad that you find a need to ridicule and deride fellow Saints and seekers of truth just because we differ in our opinions as to the events of that day. I will continue to post what I feel are relevant and cogent thoughts about the events of 911 as I continue my research and hope that one day you will be willing to do the same instead of castigating those who want to share their insights.
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby truefreedom » Wed May 23, 2012 10:14 pm

Two Israelis arrested with bombs
in the Mexican Congress

Bomba en San Lázaro
October 10,2001
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As reported in La Vox De Aztlan, two men posing as press photographers, one of them a former Israeli Colonel and Mossad agent, were arrested INSIDE the Mexican congress on October 10, 2001 armed with
9-mm pistols, nine grenades, explosives, three detonators, and 58 bullets, but were released following intense pressure from the Israeli Embassy.

This morning La Voz de Aztlan had a personal telephone interview with the Mexican Congressional Press Secretary, Lic. Adriana Lopez, and verified the arrest of the two Israelis after they had entered through the highly secured front entrance of the Palacio Legislativo de San Lázaro. She stated to La Voz de Aztlan that the two terrorists had taken advantage of a situation that occurred around 1700 hours of Wednesday October 10 when a large contingent of Sugar Industry Unionists were entering through the metal detectors. The two Israelis followed about 50 of the unionists to the office of the President of the Mexican Congress Beatriz Paredes. The two Israelis were first pretending to be press photographers but called the attention of the sugar unionists because of their nervous and out of the ordinary behavior. About ten of the unionists confronted them and observed that they were carrying guns and and what looked to them to be explosives. They held the two Israelis until Official Congressional Security personnel took them into custody. The head of Congressional Security Salvador Alarcón verified that the Israelis had in their possession nine hand grenades, sticks of dynamite, detonators, wiring and two 9mm "Glock" automatics.

Mexican Congressional Press Secretary Lic. Adriana Lopez informed La Voz de Aztlan in the telephone interview that Congressional Security then turned the terrorists Salvador Guersson Smecke, age 34, and Saur Ben Zvi, age 27, to the Procuraduría General de la República (Mexican Department of Justice) which is headed by Mexican Army General Rafael Marcial Macedo de la Concha. Initial reports by the Procuraduría General de la República (PGR) were that both Israelis worked for a private security agency and that they both had gun permits. It turned out that there is no connection of either suspect to any private security agency. The PGR has released the retired Israeli I.D.F. colonel with the official explanation that he had a legal permit to carry a gun. They also released the illegal Israeli immigrant on about $4000 bail and the case turned over to the Mexican immigration authorities. Mexican Congressional Press Secretary Lic. Adriana Lopez was surprised to hear from La Voz de Aztlan of the release of the two Israelis.

La Voz de Aztlan has also learned that the Israeli Embassy used heavy handed measures to have the two Israelis released. Very high level emergency meetings took place between Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Jorge Gutman, General Macedo de la Concha and a top Ariel Sharon envoy who flew to Mexico City specially for that purpose. Elías Luf of the Israeli Embassy worked night and day and their official spokeswoman Hila Engelhart went into high gear after may hours of complete silence. What went on during those high levels meetings no ones knows, but many in Mexico are in disbelief at their release. Guns and any kind of explosive is highly illegal for Mexican citizens and the fact that these two Israelis had them inside the Mexican Congress makes their release highly suspect. What is really going on? Jorge Gutman, the Mexican Foreign Secretary, has very strong Zionist connections and himself is of Jewish descent. Mexican Army General Macedo de la Concha has strong connections to the U.S. Military Industrial-Complex and through this to the Israeli Defense Forces. Have any of these connections influenced the decision to release the two Zionist terrorists?

The initial arrests of the two Israelis inside the Palacio Legislativo de San Lázaro made top news on Mexico City television and radio on the evening of October 10. TV Azteca had extensive coverage on the first night and on the following day. La Cronica de Hoy Newspaper and El Universal Newspaper both covered the incident the following two days but now it seems that there is a lack of reports. The PGR has a Press Bulletin on their official website but they have made no updates. No U.S. media has made any mention, that we know, except one by USAJewish.com. Pravda of Moscow has a note of the initial La Voz de Aztlan article at: http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/10/13/17982.html

What were the Israelis up to? We think we know. The Vicente Fox government has been very careful of involving Mexico in a war against Islam. The Mexican population as well as the two major opposition political parties, the PRI and the PRD will not allow it. President Bush and the U.S. Zionists want Mexico fully involved in the war principally because if things get tough in the middle east and the oil rich Arabs leave the coalition, the U.S. military machine is going to need alternative sources of oil and PEMEX is just across the border. We believe that the two Zionists terrorist were going to blow up the Mexican Congress. The second phase was to mobilize both the Mexican and US press to blame Osama bin Laden. Most likely then Mexico would declare war on Afghanistan as well, commit troops and all the oil it could spare to combat Islamic terrorism.
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby HeirofNumenor » Thu May 24, 2012 12:12 am

lovely. X(
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby BlueMoon5 » Thu May 24, 2012 6:46 am

2BFree wrote:
BlueMoon5 wrote:Actually, I don't hold seven honorary doctorates, and I'm not a Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Material Science and Engineering at Northwestern University, as is Zdenek Bazant. . .my name is not on 15 patents, and I'm not a Professor of Materials Science at a place called MIT, as is Thomas Eager. . .I haven't personally witnessed--and documented--dozens of controlled demolitions, as has Brent Blanchard. . .and I'm not a professor of psychology, as is Stuart Vyse, whose speciality is the psychology of irrational behavior and who finds the utter silence by the alleged "bombers" to be inconceivable. Sometimes, it's a good idea to appeal to authority, which raises the question, what are your credentials?


: Well, this speaks mountains...you didn't even consider my post did you?


Yes, I did. To my surprise, you distance yourself from the CD theory (and here I thought you were a dedicated Truther).

: All you are able to do is attack the messenger. . .


Perhaps you're being a tad hypersensitive.

. . . instead of being an intelligent, critical thinking, objective man who has the capacity of thinking for himself.


Only the uneducated think solely for themselves.

: No, you don't want to go there and instead allow others with "credentials" to think and speak for you.


Are you a library unto yourself?

: Well, I am sorry for you. In the future BM2 please be so kind as to examine and comment on the content of the post rather than post debunked drivel from Wikipedia no matter what the "credentials" may be of the "authorities".


Wikipedia's articles are written by specialists in their respective disciplines. Furthermore, most are extensively footnoted. Let's see, don't you say something above about "attack[ing] the messenger"? Eh?

: How do you know if by appealing to "authority" you are supporting incorrect and false conclusions?


Did you mean to say you aren't? :) That aside, experience, education, accomplishments, professional positions held, honors--they are key indicators. A person doesn't have his/her name on 15 patents by being a slouch.

: My "credentials" are of no concern...


Uh-huh.

: but the information and topic are of grave concern which you seem unable to grasp.


That's a possibility.[/quote]

: BM2...I'm not going to stoop to your level of ignorance and insult. . . {/quote]

No stooping is required, although an open mind is.

: especially about a topic so important and critical to the survival of this country.


You state an assessment not uinversally shared.

: It is so sad that you find a need to ridicule and deride fellow Saints and seekers of truth just because we differ in our opinions as to the events of that day.


Excellent summary of the modus operandi of the Truthers.

I will continue to post what I feel are relevant and cogent thoughts about the events of 911 as I continue my research and hope that one day you will be willing to do the same instead of castigating those who want to share their insights.


You realize, of course, that as you "continue [your] research" you will be required to rely on well-credentiled resources.
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby DrJones » Thu May 24, 2012 7:37 am

"You realize, of course, that as you "continue [your] research" you will be required to rely on well-credentiled [sic] resources."

Such as these interviewed for the AE911Truth documentary on 9/11; over 40 well-credentialed experts speak out, challenging the official 9/11 narrative. Included: Professor Lynn Margulis (Univ of Mass.) and Dr. Jeffrey Farrer (head of the Transmission Electron Microscopy laboratory at BYU.)
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby BlueMoon5 » Thu May 24, 2012 8:19 am

DrJones wrote:"You realize, of course, that as you "continue [your] research" you will be required to rely on well-credentiled [sic] resources."

Such as these interviewed for the AE911Truth documentary on 9/11; over 40 well-credentialed experts speak out, challenging the official 9/11 narrative. Included: Professor Lynn Margulis (Univ of Mass.) and Dr. Jeffrey Farrer (head of the Transmission Electron Microscopy laboratory at BYU.)


Good catch on my spelling error.

I think the best that can said for your list of experts is that it's adequate.
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby DrJones » Thu May 24, 2012 10:24 am

BlueMoon5 wrote:
DrJones wrote:"You realize, of course, that as you "continue [your] research" you will be required to rely on well-credentiled [sic] resources."

Such as these interviewed for the AE911Truth documentary on 9/11; over 40 well-credentialed experts speak out, challenging the official 9/11 narrative. Included: Professor Lynn Margulis (Univ of Mass.) and Dr. Jeffrey Farrer (head of the Transmission Electron Microscopy laboratory at BYU.)


Good catch on my spelling error.

I think the best that can said for your list of experts is that it's adequate.


Again, some progress... I invite you and all to listen the testimony of these 40+ experts.
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby lemuel » Thu May 24, 2012 4:31 pm

Truth B Known wrote:I just wanted to throw this out there for discussion and thought... could the battle of Armageddon be the result of the rest of the world learning that Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001 which has resulted in the deaths of over a million Muslims, Islamics and Arabs in the middle east owing to the U.S.'s fraudulent 'war on terror'? Or is it going to be much, much more than that?


Or it could be the result of someone framing Israel for 9/11...
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby Islam Convert » Thu May 24, 2012 11:27 pm

Truth B Known wrote:
LOL. I couldn't help myself on that one.






Understood. You gotta love BM. :ymhug:




















I don't have any animosity towards him, but man, even a junior high student can understand simple laws of physics... he is either incredibly illogical, irrational and dense or simply prefers to challenge anything that shatters his belief system and so he grasps at any straws he can to help his cause. Molten steel 'like lava' (firefighters' report) under all 3 buildings and he still thinks it was a gravitational collapse even though the buildings are bursting to powder as they disintegrate in almost perfect symmetry through the path of greatest resistance in 10-12 seconds. Anyone who thinks plane impact, jet fuel and/or gravity can do that is in need of a few more brain cells! :ymblushing:



Ooooh man! I can't tell you how disappointed in the BRETHEREN I am right now. This attack on a BROTHER make my heart drop to bottom of stomach I so sick right now.

I wish as BROTHERS AND SISTER we can not worship are thoughts so much we think WE HAVE TO teach, no MAKE OTHER, think like we and worship LORD!! instead of are TINY UNDERSTAND OF THING!

Read MOSES my friends. God only show him from HUMAN PERCH!!! You cannot THINK your THOUGHT is GOD THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby Rob » Fri May 25, 2012 12:19 am

Islam Convert wrote:
Truth B Known wrote:LOL. I couldn't help myself on that one.

Understood. You gotta love BM. :ymhug:

I don't have any animosity towards him, but man, even a junior high student can understand simple laws of physics... he is either incredibly illogical, irrational and dense or simply prefers to challenge anything that shatters his belief system and so he grasps at any straws he can to help his cause. Molten steel 'like lava' (firefighters' report) under all 3 buildings and he still thinks it was a gravitational collapse even though the buildings are bursting to powder as they disintegrate in almost perfect symmetry through the path of greatest resistance in 10-12 seconds. Anyone who thinks plane impact, jet fuel and/or gravity can do that is in need of a few more brain cells! :ymblushing:

Ooooh man! I can't tell you how disappointed in the BRETHEREN I am right now. This attack on a BROTHER make my heart drop to bottom of stomach I so sick right now.
But this is ok? /:)
Islam Convert wrote:I become quickly sadden everytime I read about that BYU professor who lost everything because he could not give up obsession with 9/11. It was like porn or heroine to him and cost career and so much more. Always sad to see alcoholic wanting drunk state to be reality so bad that they convince themselve that made up perception is in fact reality.

Let 9/11 go folks. It was not inside job and there no use worrying ourselves with this "alien" for another dozen year. :(
Heck of a double standard you have there, IC. =;

Islam Convert wrote:I wish as BROTHERS AND SISTER we can not worship are thoughts so much we think WE HAVE TO teach, no MAKE OTHER, think like we and worship LORD!! instead of are TINY UNDERSTAND OF THING!

Read MOSES my friends. God only show him from HUMAN PERCH!!! You cannot THINK your THOUGHT is GOD THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reading Moses is good advice, as is reading Ether 8:24. :ymcowboy:
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby moonwhim » Mon May 28, 2012 2:45 am

Here is an interview with NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake. Listen to the whole thing but pay attention starting around 7 min until about 10.30 mins......he said that before 9/11 the NSA emphaticallly said to their employees that "you do not spy on Americans," but after 9/11 he found out much to his horror that they tossed that out...... because of 9/11 they can now essentially do anything without a warrant......they were going to turn America into the equivalent of a foreign nation for the purpose of dragnet us with electronic surveillance.....he said his superiors said that it was approved by the white house and was all legal, and he knew in that moment that he could no longer remain complicit and serve as an accomplice in the subversion of our constitution....and so became a whistleblower.....and they tried to throw him in prison for that.


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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby JohnnyL » Mon May 28, 2012 9:12 am

There's quite a lot about Israel being involved in 9-11 on the internet, and it's more than 5 dancers (though that's quite a bit, when you find out more about that incident).

But yes, I think that would definitely make many of Israel's enemies feel justified.
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby Helaman2000 » Mon May 28, 2012 9:50 am

lemuel wrote:Or it could be the result of someone framing Israel for 9/11...


Or it could just be because at some point in the future, they finally get us out of the way so that Israel has no big brother to defend it.
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Re: The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

Postby 2BFree » Mon May 28, 2012 9:41 pm

BlueMoon5 wrote:You realize, of course, that as you "continue [your] research" you will be required to rely on well-credentiled resources.


You already know Dr. Steven Jones and his background and "credentials" so there's no need to repeat them (unless you don't then let me know and I'll post his bio). Here is the credentials of Dr. Judy Wood who wrote and published the book "Where Did The Towers Go?" from which I was pulling the information from in my previous post since you lean so much on "credentials"...

Judy D. Wood, Ph.D.

Website: http://drjudywood.com/
email: lisajudy [at] nctv.com

Dr. Judy Wood earned a Ph.D. Degree from Virginia Tech and is a former professor of mechanical engineering. She has research expertise in experimental stress analysis, structural mechanics, deformation analysis, materials characterization and materials engineering science. Her research has involved testing materials, including complex-material systems, in the area of photomechanics, or the use of optical and image-analysis methods to determine physical properties of materials and measure how materials respond to forces placed on them. Her area of expertise involves interferometry in forensic science. She taught graduate and undergraduate engineering classes and has authored or co-authored over 60 peer-reviewed papers and journal publications in her areas of expertise.

In the time since 9/11/01, she has applied her expertise in materials science, image analysis and interferometry, to a forensic study of over 40,000 images, hundreds of video clips, a large volume of witness testimony, analyses of dust samples, seismic data, and the analysis of other environmental evidence pertaining to the destruction of the World Trade Center complex. Dr. Wood has conducted a comprehensive forensic investigation of what physically happened to the World Trade Center site on 9/11. And, based on her analysis of the evidence she gathered, in 2007, she filed a federal Qui Tam case for science fraud against the contractors who contributed to the official National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) report about the destruction of the World Trade Center towers. This case was filed in the US Supreme Court in Dec 2009. To this day, Dr. Wood's investigation and body of evidence as compiled in her book is the only comprehensive forensic investigation in the public domain. WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO? is not a book of poetry, yet it has some beautiful prose. It is not a novel yet it tells a complete story. It is not a photography book, yet the pictures will grab you. It is not just a text book, yet its data is empirical and it teaches critical thinking. It is not the Bible yet it will be one of the most important books you will ever read.
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Where did the building go?
Figure 1. My intellectual integrity prevents me from calling this a collapse. This is why I have chosen to stand up. My conscience leaves me no other choice.

Dr. Wood received her

B.S. (Civil Engineering, 1981) (Structural Engineering),

M.S. (Engineering Mechanics (Applied Physics), 1983), and

Ph.D. (Materials Engineering Science, 1992) from the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia.

Her dissertation involved the development of an experimental method to measure thermal stresses in bimaterial joints. She has taught courses including

Experimental Stress Analysis,

Engineering Mechanics,

Mechanics of Materials (Strength of Materials)

Strength of Materials Testing

Judy D. Wood is a former professor of mechanical engineering with research interests in experimental stress analysis, structural mechanics, optical methods, deformation analysis, and the materials characterization of biomaterials and composite materials. She is a member of the Society for Experimental Mechanics (SEM), co-founded SEM’s Biological Systems and Materials Division, and has served on the SEM Composite Materials Technical Division.

From 1999 to 2006 Dr. Wood has been an assistant professor in the Mechanical Engineering Department at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. Before moving to Clemson she spent three years as a postdoctoral research associate in the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Tech.

One of Dr. Wood's research interests is biomimicry, or applying the mechanical structures of biological materials to engineering design using engineering materials. Other recent research has investigated the deformation behavior of materials and structures with complex geometries and complex material properties, such as fiber-reinforced composite materials and biological materials. Dr. Wood is an expert in the use of moiré interferometry, a full-field optical method that is used in stress analysis, as well as materials characterization and other types of interference. In recent years, Dr. Wood and her students have developed optical systems with various wavelengths and waveguides. Dr. Wood has over 60 technical publications in refereed journals, conference proceedings, and edited monographs and special technical reports.

Dr. Wood started to question the events of 9/11 on that same day when what she saw and heard on television was contradictory and appeared to violate the laws of physics. Since that day she has used her knowledge of engineering mechanics to prove that the collapse of the World Trade Center twin towers could not have happened as the American public was told.
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