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Juliette wrote:Hey, wait just a minute buster! Are you saying only WOMEN are passive aggressive and sabatoge relationships?
.awake wrote:I believe Christ understood this type of spouse and instructed us on how to deal with them, or with any spouse with any problem.
"Love your enemies, do good to them who despitefully use you and persecute you"...
I believe that such spouse's give us an opportunity to grow by leaps and bounds when we choose to unconditionally love them and serve their every wish all day long, before our own needs and desires. (unless a request is evil).
It's vital that we also lovingly ask our spouse for what 'we' want and need from them. But whether they fulfill our wishes or not, we should fulfill theirs with love.
Think and read about Ammon and how he so faithfully served the wishes of the wicked King Lamoni and how it eventually softened his heart.
I believe total submission, love and service to our spouse, are the keys to helping such a spouse repent and learn to want to love and serve us in return, as we do them, though our love and service may not soften their hearts until even the next life.
If a spouse is dangerous, their spouse may need to love and serve them as best they can, from a safe distance though, until they repent.
Kingdom of ZION wrote:Just how many women out here are looking for a good Husband, but sabotage their relationships and ALWAYS think it was the other person who fail them? Or men for that matter... I just have experience with women. I think there is more than you would think. It is its own kind of evil!
Kingdom of ZION wrote:Passive-Aggressive Behavior - Passive Aggressive behavior is the expression of negative feelings, resentment, and aggression in an unassertive, passive way (such as through procrastination and stubbornness).
Kingdom of ZION wrote:It is common for a person to express passive-aggressive behavior when they are in a position of low influence or control over a person with whom they are angry. People who feel powerless, inferior or afraid of a person with whom they are angry will frequently resort to a passive-aggressive style.
Kingdom of ZION wrote:Indirect Violence or shows-of-strength such as destruction of property, slamming doors, cruelty to animals in the sight of another is passive-aggressive.
Kingdom of ZION wrote:Blaming: They are never responsible for their actions. If you aren't to blame then it is something that happened at work, the traffic on the way home or the slow clerk at the convenience store. The passive aggressive has no faults, it is everyone around him/her who has faults and they must be punished for those faults.

awake wrote:I believe Christ understood this type of spouse and instructed us on how to deal with them, or with any spouse with any problem.
"Love your enemies, do good to them who despitefully use you and persecute you"...
I believe that such spouse's give us an opportunity to grow by leaps and bounds when we choose to unconditionally love them and serve their every wish all day long, before our own needs and desires. (unless a request is evil).
It's vital that we also lovingly ask our spouse for what 'we' want and need from them. But whether they fulfill our wishes or not, we should fulfill theirs with love.
Think and read about Ammon and how he so faithfully served the wishes of the wicked King Lamoni and how it eventually softened his heart.
I believe total submission, love and service to our spouse, are the keys to helping such a spouse repent and learn to want to love and serve us in return, as we do them, though our love and service may not soften their hearts until even the next life.
If a spouse is dangerous, their spouse may need to love and serve them as best they can, from a safe distance though, until they repent.
Kingdom of ZION wrote:Juliette wrote:Hey, wait just a minute buster! Are you saying only WOMEN are passive aggressive and sabatoge relationships?
What I said was..."Just how many women out here are looking for a good Husband, but sabotage their relationships and ALWAYS think it was the other person who fail them? Or men for that matter... I just have experience with women. "
Which means, Or men for that matter... Just how many men out here are looking for a good Wife (Wives), but sabotage their relationships and ALWAYS think it was the other person who fail them? I just have experience with women, so I do not understand the confusion???.

karen2cruise wrote:I don't agree. Ammon was a servant of King Lamoni. Wives are not servants to their husbands but equals with them. They should go to therapy so that the offending spouse can see their behavior and see how it hurts the other spouse. Most passive aggressive spouses also have narcissistic tendencies as well.
awake wrote:karen2cruise wrote:I don't agree. Ammon was a servant of King Lamoni. Wives are not servants to their husbands but equals with them. They should go to therapy so that the offending spouse can see their behavior and see how it hurts the other spouse. Most passive aggressive spouses also have narcissistic tendencies as well.
Ammon was a free man who voluntarily 'chose' to give his whole life maybe, to serve the very wicked and probably narcissistic King Lamoni, in hopes that the King may someday repent. Ammon did not put any conditions on his service. There is no telling how long Ammon may have been willing to serve the King if he hadn't repented.
I believe spouses promise at the altar to unconditionally give their whole life to love and serve their spouse and their every wish, before their own, in hopes that they may bring happiness to their spouse and help them be righteous or repent, whatever the case may be. Hopefully each spouse will do it for the other, then you have exultant ecstasy.
I agree that abusive and narcissistic spouses should receive treatment, and consequences, but that unfortunately appears to rarely happen. Most spouses need guidance for narcissistic spouses who either refuse to repent or who are never required to by leaders.
I believe Christ understood 'Narcissism' very well and that many, if not most spouses would have to deal with this problem without the advantage of treatment and consequences for it applied by leaders.
Thus he commanded us to have unconditional love in marriage, whether the other spouse repents or receives treatment and consequences or not, otherwise the marriage will only get worse and eventually fail. But, as long as at least one spouse stays strong and righteous by loving & serving the other, then things don't usually seem to go downhill as much and may slowly even get better.
But I realize this does take a very rare and high level of love and commitment and is a very hard road for the righteous spouse, but there are incredible rewards for such love and service along the way and in the eternities that make it all very worth it.
But unconditional love does not mean we allow a spouse to abuse us. If a spouse is dangerous they can be loved and served from a safe distance, until they repent, which may often not be until the next life, because of lack of treatment, consequences or willingness to repent here.
Juliette wrote:I grew up with a Mother who had BPD, borderline personality disorder.

sadie_Mormon wrote:Juliette wrote:I grew up with a Mother who had BPD, borderline personality disorder.
Since BPD is influenced by genes children are more likely to have it as well.
As to why you never admit in public that your mother had BPD
I am very much like my Father. My Mother always accused me of being like my Father. I would always say, " Well considering the alternative, I'll take it"! haha
Rand wrote:Now I know why you need to spend so much time in your room.
( My room has a computer
)Juliette wrote:Rand wrote:Now I know why you need to spend so much time in your room.
I knew you couldn't pass this one up!( My room has a computer
)
karen2cruise wrote:I don't agree. Ammon was a servant of King Lamoni. Wives are not servants to their husbands but equals with them. They should go to therapy so that the offending spouse can see their behavior and see how it hurts the other spouse. Most passive aggressive spouses also have narcissistic tendencies as well. "Those with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism." (per Mayo website).
Service and unconditional love, while admirable, should be done in conjunction with therapy. Having neutral ground to be told of the offending behavior can help the person repent.
Juliette wrote:My husband hollers very sweet things to me through the door!

Rand wrote:Juliette wrote:My husband hollers very sweet things to me through the door!
Unlock it and let him out, he might quit yelling... sweet things.

Rand wrote:The only thing I might off for thought is that in the Temple the woman agrees to follow her husband in righteousness, not into evil. This leaves her as the judge of righteousness. But she will account for that judgment. But, servants we are. I do believe that as a servant, we sometimes need to stop and not move forward, in the case of the unrighteous prophets donkey, or cleanse the temple, or to refuse to bless a situation with compliance because of unrighteousness, but servants we are for sure.
Liberty Bell wrote:Rand wrote:The only thing I might off for thought is that in the Temple the woman agrees to follow her husband in righteousness, not into evil. This leaves her as the judge of righteousness. But she will account for that judgment. But, servants we are. I do believe that as a servant, we sometimes need to stop and not move forward, in the case of the unrighteous prophets donkey, or cleanse the temple, or to refuse to bless a situation with compliance because of unrighteousness, but servants we are for sure.
Who is the leader in the family? If it's the man, then he is the servant. (Remember the lesson of Jesus washing feet?)
Actually the truth of this is so plain and clear that anybody should be able to see it and yet most don't. The problem is most believe in a lie and that lie is that money or worldly goods (even basic necessities) are most important. This muddles us into thinking the man is the more important figure in the family because he brings home the bacon.
What is a man's true job? It ought to be the same as our Father's. Moses 1:39
So, since the man's job is really raising righteous children then he is highly indebted to his wife since she generally does the majority of the physical work involved in doing that job.
What is the evidence that is so plain and clear that everyone on earth ought to be able to see it, and yet they don't? The man provides the money FOR HIS FAMILY. His role is as a servant to his wife and children. And yet, somehow, even though the entire world has the plain evidence that it is the man who is supposed to be supporting the wife in her role, rather than she supporting him in his, they cannot see it. They are blinded by the things of this world.
To answer the original question, if you want to know how to deal with a passive aggressive spouse, teach them who they are. Teach them their true role. If you can convince a person of their true role, all unrighteous aggressiveness in any form will disappear.
Liberty Bell wrote:To answer the original question, if you want to know how to deal with a passive aggressive spouse, teach them who they are. Teach them their true role. If you can convince a person of their true role, all unrighteous aggressiveness in any form will disappear.
Liberty Bell wrote:Who is the leader in the family? If it's the man, then he is the servant. His role is as a servant to his wife and children.
teach them who they are. Teach them their true role.
Kingdom of ZION wrote:Liberty Bell wrote:To answer the original question, if you want to know how to deal with a passive aggressive spouse, teach them who they are. Teach them their true role. If you can convince a person of their true role, all unrighteous aggressiveness in any form will disappear.
I have done that and that simply does not do it. A Passive Aggressive person generally has been relating to people this way all their life. They simply do not know any other way. I have known a few PG people that see it as power to get their way and even though they know it hurts people they do it any way. I knew one lady that got pleasure out of the drama and hurting people, she could not help herself from flashing it upon her face one time when I was pointing out to her. So, thinking somehow kind loving words and actions are enough... you just have never had to deal with such beings and everything is just theories until you do.
Shalom

BrentL wrote:to answer the OP. Divorce.
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