The truth about 9/11 and the battle of Armageddon

[Truth B Knowncaptain of 100]

I just wanted to throw this out there for discussion and thought... could the battle of Armageddon be the result of the rest of the world learning that Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001 which has resulted in the deaths of over a million Muslims, Islamics and Arabs in the middle east owing to the U.S.'s fraudulent 'war on terror'? Or is it going to be much, much more than that?

[shadowcaptain of 1,000]

I just wanted to throw this out there for discussion and thought... could the battle of Armageddon be the result of the rest of the world learning that Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001 which has resulted in the deaths of over a million Muslims, Islamics and Arabs in the middle east owing to the U.S.'s fraudulent 'war on terror'? Or is it going to be much, much more than that?

I vote much, much more.

[Truth B Knowncaptain of 100]

I just wanted to throw this out there for discussion and thought... could the battle of Armageddon be the result of the rest of the world learning that Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001 which has resulted in the deaths of over a million Muslims, Islamics and Arabs in the middle east owing to the U.S.'s fraudulent 'war on terror'? Or is it going to be much, much more than that?

I vote much, much more.

Me too - just wanted to get others' opinions.

[karen2cruisecaptain of 100]

Much, much more- it's just beginning. This is a pretty good website with a description of the stages of the battle of Armageddon:

http://www.ldslastdays.com/default.aspx ... scbofa.htm

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

I just wanted to throw this out there for discussion and thought... could the battle of Armageddon be the result of the rest of the world learning that Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001 which has resulted in the deaths of over a million Muslims, Islamics and Arabs in the middle east owing to the U.S.'s fraudulent 'war on terror'? Or is it going to be much, much more than that?

So your premise is that you and your acolytes know "Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001"; and your question is that when the "rest of the world" learns what you know will the result be worse than Armageddon.

Before anyone exerts an ounce of energy answering your question, he/she should require you to prove your premise that Israel was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

So let's have it. . .let's have the proof for your premise.

[Still Learningcaptain of 100]

I just wanted to throw this out there for discussion and thought... could the battle of Armageddon be the result of the rest of the world learning that Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001 which has resulted in the deaths of over a million Muslims, Islamics and Arabs in the middle east owing to the U.S.'s fraudulent 'war on terror'? Or is it going to be much, much more than that?

So your premise is that you and your acolytes know "Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001"; and your question is that when the "rest of the world" learns what you know will the result be worse than Armageddon.

Before anyone exerts an ounce of energy answering your question, he/she should require you to prove your premise that Israel was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

So let's have it. . .let's have the proof for your premise.

I KNOW that God's church was restored and I KNOW that JS saw the Father and Son and that The B of M is the word of God.

Sorry, no proof.

[Truth B Knowncaptain of 100]

I just wanted to throw this out there for discussion and thought... could the battle of Armageddon be the result of the rest of the world learning that Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001 which has resulted in the deaths of over a million Muslims, Islamics and Arabs in the middle east owing to the U.S.'s fraudulent 'war on terror'? Or is it going to be much, much more than that?

So your premise is that you and your acolytes know "Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001"; and your question is that when the "rest of the world" learns what you know will the result be worse than Armageddon.

Before anyone exerts an ounce of energy answering your question, he/she should require you to prove your premise that Israel was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

So let's have it. . .let's have the proof for your premise.

I KNOW that God's church was restored and I KNOW that JS saw the Father and Son and that The B of M is the word of God.

Sorry, no proof.

Nice. I'm not going to take the bait from BM - I've already lost quite a few brain cells conversing with him and fruitlessly and futily trying to persuade him that three buildings were demolished in New York on 9/11 - I'm not starting that argument again.

[Still Learningcaptain of 100]

Nice. I'm not going to take the bait from BM - I've already lost quite a few brain cells conversing with him and fruitlessly and futily trying to persuade him that three buildings were demolished in New York on 9/11 - I'm not starting that argument again.

LOL. I couldn't help myself on that one.

[Robthe Sunbeam]

Nice. I'm not going to take the bait from BM - I've already lost quite a few brain cells conversing with him and fruitlessly and futily trying to persuade him that three buildings were demolished in New York on 9/11 - I'm not starting that argument again.

LOL. I couldn't help myself on that one.

Understood. You gotta love BM.

[Truth B Knowncaptain of 100]

Nice. I'm not going to take the bait from BM - I've already lost quite a few brain cells conversing with him and fruitlessly and futily trying to persuade him that three buildings were demolished in New York on 9/11 - I'm not starting that argument again.

LOL. I couldn't help myself on that one.

Understood. You gotta love BM.

I don't have any animosity towards him, but man, even a junior high student can understand simple laws of physics... he is either incredibly illogical, irrational and dense or simply prefers to challenge anything that shatters his belief system and so he grasps at any straws he can to help his cause. Molten steel 'like lava' (firefighters' report) under all 3 buildings and he still thinks it was a gravitational collapse even though the buildings are bursting to powder as they disintegrate in almost perfect symmetry through the path of greatest resistance in 10-12 seconds. Anyone who thinks plane impact, jet fuel and/or gravity can do that is in need of a few more brain cells!

[Nancaptain of 1,000]

You still haven't proven how Israel was involved. Even if it was brought down by explosives.

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

You still haven't proven how Israel was involved. Even if it was brought down by explosives.

Right on, Nan! Rather than substantiating his claim/assertion, TBK (and others) resorts to personal attacks. It's a well-established, lamentable pattern with the Truthers. They don't know who was involved in the alleged CD of the WTC buildings. . .don't have a clue, an inkling, a hunch, a guess, a suspicion--and after more than a decade of looking. Pathetic.

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

I just wanted to throw this out there for discussion and thought... could the battle of Armageddon be the result of the rest of the world learning that Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Center towers in New York on September 11, 2001 which has resulted in the deaths of over a million Muslims, Islamics and Arabs in the middle east owing to the U.S.'s fraudulent 'war on terror'? Or is it going to be much, much more than that?

What I find particularly disgusting about this post is Truth Be Known's accusation--phrased as a foregone conclusion--that "Israel was involved in the destruction/demolition of three World Trade Centers. . . ." Asked to provide proof for his charge, TBK has none. Thus, I am constrained to conclude that he has turned the time-honored legal dictim on its head: A person, or a country, or an organization is guilty until proven innocent.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

To all:
Consider an example -- a body lies on the floor, dead with a bullet in the back. We are certain there has been a murder, but how do we find out WHO did it? In general, we can tell there was foul play from the physical evidence, but we cannot tell WHO exactly was involved or the MOTIVE from physical evidence alone -- we need a full investigation with subpoena power to obtain testimony from even "reluctant" witnesses, some of whom may fear for their livelihood or even their lives.

This is the case with 9/11. Many, based on the physical evidence, are calling for a full open investigation with subpoena power. This includes over 1,600 engineers and architects and scientists (see e.g. AE911Truth.org).

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

[quote="DrJones"]To all: Consider an example -- a body lies on the floor, dead with a bullet in the back. We are certain there has been a murder, but how do we find out WHO did it? In general, we can tell there was foul play from the physical evidence, but we cannot tell WHO exactly was involved or the MOTIVE from physical evidence alone -- we need a full investigation with subpoena power to obtain testimony from even "reluctant" witnesses, some of whom may fear for their livelihood or even their lives.

If there was in fact foul play in the scenario you describe, would the police publicly announce a suspect before they had conducted a "full investigation?" Obviously not. That, however, is what Truth Be Known has done re. 9/11. He has found Israel guilty of involvement in the destruction of three WTC buildings, thus labeling them guilty until proven innocent. The thread he started should be deleted from this forum forthwith.

[Markcaptain of 1,000]

To all: Consider an example -- a body lies on the floor, dead with a bullet in the back. We are certain there has been a murder, but how do we find out WHO did it? In general, we can tell there was foul play from the physical evidence, but we cannot tell WHO exactly was involved or the MOTIVE from physical evidence alone -- we need a full investigation with subpoena power to obtain testimony from even "reluctant" witnesses, some of whom may fear for their livelihood or even their lives.

If there was in fact foul play in the scenario you describe, would the police publicly announce a suspect before they had conducted a "full investigation?" Obviously not. That, however, is what Truth Be Known has done re. 9/11. He has found Israel guilty of involvement in the destruction of three WTC buildings, thus labeling them guilty until proven innocent. The thread he started should be deleted from this forum forthwith.

The attached link on the internet is "proof" to my good friend the Col. that Mossad was involved in 9-11. I think it is a giant leap to indict the entire state of Israel based on 5 dancing Israeli citizens who were filming the aftermath of 9-11 but that's just me. I would require much more direct evidence before making this kind of accusation. This is circumstantial at best and would never hold up in a legitimate inquiry.


http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/moss ... ts-911.htm

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Thanks for the link, Mark. Excerpted from it:

Five Dancing Israelies 911...
The FBI came to the conclusion... that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission
and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front. -Forward (A Jewish Magazine) March 15, 2002

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home. While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.
Said one of the men, "Our purpose was to document the event."

But how did they know there was going to be "an event"?? And why were they simply released with no trial?

And how about Norman Mineta's whistleblower testimony, regarding the lack of air defenses on 9/11? (Dick Cheney's role...) Mineta has said that he will say no more, unless subpoenaed.

And who ordered the destruction of the evidence from the crime scene? -- over 99.6% of the steel was hurriedly cut up then shipped to Asia and melted down-- crime scene evidence destroyed.

These are the types of questions that a serious, full and open investigation would consider. We seem to be kept in the dark, and denied a "redress of grievances" as vouchsafed in the US Constitution. Those who appeal to the Constitution and question the official story are threatened in many cases, and may even lose tenured positions.

[jdtechcaptain of 100]

Let's change a couple of words here and see if it also fits:

If there was in fact foul play in the scenario you describe, would the police publicly announce a suspect before they had conducted a "full investigation?" Obviously not. That, however, is what our government and our media did re. 9/11. They found Al Queda guilty of involvement in the destruction of three WTC buildings (on the same day as the event), thus labeling them guilty until proven innocent.

As DrJones indicates, until we get "a full investigation with subpoena power to obtain testimony from even "reluctant" witnesses" we will never know the truth of what really happened on that day. Theories will abound (some of them perhaps very good theories and others shoddy at best), but the truth will be kept hidden.

[Markcaptain of 1,000]

Thanks for the link, Mark. Excerpted from it:

Five Dancing Israelies 911...
The FBI came to the conclusion... that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission
and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front. -Forward (A Jewish Magazine) March 15, 2002

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home. While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.
Said one of the men, "Our purpose was to document the event."

But how did they know there was going to be "an event"?? And why were they simply released with no trial?

And how about Norman Mineta's whistleblower testimony, regarding the lack of air defenses on 9/11? (Dick Cheney's role...) Mineta has said that he will say no more, unless subpoenaed.

And who ordered the destruction of the evidence from the crime scene? -- over 99.6% of the steel was hurriedly cut up then shipped to Asia and melted down-- crime scene evidence destroyed.

These are the types of questions that a serious, full and open investigation would consider. We seem to be kept in the dark, and denied a "redress of grievances" as vouchsafed in the US Constitution. Those who appeal to the Constitution and question the official story are threatened in many cases, and may even lose tenured positions.

I am not disputing the fact that their are legitimate questions concerning this whole 9-11 affair that have not been sufficiently answered for I'm sure a variety of reasons Doc. Only an idiot would say I trust the govt explicitly to tell me the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I feel exactly the same about the OKC bombing as well with all the coverups involved in that horrible crime against innocents. It makes me sick to see a continuation of injustices as a result of a lack of candor and responsibility to full disclosure.

What I have a problem with is presumptuous indictments coming from folks like my buddy Col. Klink (JK Bro) without having all these questions sufficiently addressed in a proper legitimate inquiry. Its like declaring guilt of a suspected individual before their trial ever even began. That does not endure either justice or legitimacy in making assumptions and foregone conclusions without enough indisputable direct evidence to back it up. In the case of Israels involvements I just don't see enough direct evidence to make this kind of accusatory judgment.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Thanks for the link, Mark. Excerpted from it:

Five Dancing Israelies 911...
The FBI came to the conclusion... that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission
and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front. -Forward (A Jewish Magazine) March 15, 2002

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home. While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.
Said one of the men, "Our purpose was to document the event."

But how did they know there was going to be "an event"?? And why were they simply released with no trial?

And how about Norman Mineta's whistleblower testimony, regarding the lack of air defenses on 9/11? (Dick Cheney's role...) Mineta has said that he will say no more, unless subpoenaed.

And who ordered the destruction of the evidence from the crime scene? -- over 99.6% of the steel was hurriedly cut up then shipped to Asia and melted down-- crime scene evidence destroyed.

These are the types of questions that a serious, full and open investigation would consider. We seem to be kept in the dark, and denied a "redress of grievances" as vouchsafed in the US Constitution. Those who appeal to the Constitution and question the official story are threatened in many cases, and may even lose tenured positions.

I am not disputing the fact that their are legitimate questions concerning this whole 9-11 affair that have not been sufficiently answered for I'm sure a variety of reasons Doc. Only an idiot would say I trust the govt explicitly to tell me the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I feel exactly the same about the OKC bombing as well with all the coverups involved in that horrible crime against innocents. It makes me sick to see a continuation of injustices as a result of a lack of candor and responsibility to full disclosure.

What I have a problem with is presumptuous indictments coming from folks like my buddy Col. Klink (JK Bro) without having all these questions sufficiently addressed in a proper legitimate inquiry. Its like declaring guilt of a suspected individual before their trial ever even began. That does not endure either justice or legitimacy in making assumptions and foregone conclusions without enough indisputable direct evidence to back it up. In the case of Israels involvements I just don't see enough direct evidence to make this kind of accusatory judgment.

I can agree that -- having been denied so far a full and open investigation -- we are not in a position to accuse the Israelis of direct involvement in 9/11. I have never made such an accusation.

But by the same token -- we are not in a position to denigrate those who say that such an investigation is needed to answer questions regarding WHO all were in fact involved in 9/11, including the lack of air defenses that day and the making of billions on PUT options on United and American airlines (the two airlines involved in the crashes).

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

I don't have any animosity towards him, but man, even a junior high student can understand simple laws of physics... he is either incredibly illogical, irrational and dense or simply prefers to challenge anything that shatters his belief system and so he grasps at any straws he can to help his cause.

You made an astute decision when you decided not to become a psychologist--or an English teacher.

Helpful grammar tip: The correlative conjunction either is used to connect grammatically equal elements; hence your sentence "He is either. . . ." is front-loaded with three adjectives linked to one component, thus breaking the rule. In your zeal to denigrate me, you should have used only one adjective, as in "He is either incredibly illogical or simply prefers to challenge anything. . . ."

Just being charitable.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Let's change a couple of words here and see if it also fits:

If there was in fact foul play in the scenario you describe, would the police publicly announce a suspect before they had conducted a "full investigation?" Obviously not. That, however, is what our government and our media did re. 9/11. They found Al Queda guilty of involvement in the destruction of three WTC buildings (on the same day as the event), thus labeling them guilty until proven innocent.

As DrJones indicates, until we get "a full investigation with subpoena power to obtain testimony from even "reluctant" witnesses" we will never know the truth of what really happened on that day. Theories will abound (some of them perhaps very good theories and others shoddy at best), but the truth will be kept hidden.

Well said, jdtech. And thanks for understanding what I have been trying to make clear!
I should add, it is possible that a knowledgeable person with inside information -- for instance on his death bed having a "crise de conscience" -- will reveal the facts. In a way, this is being "subpoenaed" -- by the Lord!

[2BFreecaptain of 100]

If ALL the evidence is considered from that day including the great work by Dr. Jones and Dr. Wood we are looking at an event of such unusual and unexplained anomalies that it can't be explained simply as either collapsed due to fire (government theory) or control demolition (truther theory). The PsyOp that was conducted by the media and government to set certain memes to control what we actually witnessed is very similar to how the events of Roswell in July of 1947 were controlled by establishing "goalposts" to explain what happened then i.e. weather balloon to extraterrestrials, which excluded a possible terrestrial explanation of a hidden and secret operation.

I purchased Dr. Judy Wood's book "Where Did The Towers Go?" which is probably the best compilation of evidence and documentation of the anomalies of that day. Her effort was only to document the event and record ALL the unusual evidence that was witnessed that day then she tries to find a possible technology that might explain the events. It's interesting that she actually had to create new terms for some of the unusual evidence since it hadn't been observed before. Dr. Wood as Dr. Jones has been castigated and persecuted for her book which simply was to document the events of that day as Dr. Jones investigative work with the dust.

All in all, we are being played in a very controlled and manipulated PsyOp and if we really want the truth we must first look at ALL the evidence to help us determine the possible technologies that were used that day which will lead us to possible perpetrators of the events. Here is Dr. Wood's website and Dr. Jones site for those who want to really take the red pill and see the events for what really happened.

http://www.drjudywood.com/

http://stj911.org/

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

If ALL the evidence is considered from that day including the great work by Dr. Jones and Dr. Wood we are looking at an event of such unusual and unexplained anomalies that it can't be explained simply as either collapsed due to fire (government theory) or control demolition (truther theory).

I have emphasized from the outset that the crashing of two huge, fuel-laden airliners into the towers is an unprecedented event for which there is no benchmark. Those who think they know what happened, endlessly citing laws of physics, etc., are conjecturing at best. While I don't agree with your explanation (PsyOp), I do agree that the sequence of events that followed the planes' impact is not clearly understood--and perhaps never will be.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

If ALL the evidence is considered from that day including the great work by Dr. Jones and Dr. Wood we are looking at an event of such unusual and unexplained anomalies that it can't be explained simply as either collapsed due to fire (government theory) or control demolition (truther theory).

I have emphasized from the outset that the crashing of two huge, fuel-laden airliners into the towers is an unprecedented event for which there is no benchmark. Those who think they know what happened, endlessly citing laws of physics, etc., are conjecturing at best. While I don't agree with your explanation (PsyOp), I do agree that the sequence of events that followed the planes' impact is not clearly understood--and perhaps never will be.

Some progress, then.
We can say for sure that WTC 7 was NOT hit by a plane, and it fell at free-fall acceleration for over 100 feet. On this point even NIST finally agreed.

[2BFreecaptain of 100]

If ALL the evidence is considered from that day including the great work by Dr. Jones and Dr. Wood we are looking at an event of such unusual and unexplained anomalies that it can't be explained simply as either collapsed due to fire (government theory) or control demolition (truther theory).

I have emphasized from the outset that the crashing of two huge, fuel-laden airliners into the towers is an unprecedented event for which there is no benchmark. Those who think they know what happened, endlessly citing laws of physics, etc., are conjecturing at best. While I don't agree with your explanation (PsyOp), I do agree that the sequence of events that followed the planes' impact is not clearly understood--and perhaps never will be.

Some progress, then.
We can say for sure that WTC 7 was NOT hit by a plane, and it fell at free-fall acceleration for over 100 feet. On this point even NIST finally agreed.

Let's take WTC7 as an example of the anomalies that even the CD theory doesn't quite fit let alone fire that "disappeared" that building in under 7 seconds. If the building fell due to fire or even CD there would have been a substantial seismic signature especially for a 47 story steel and concrete structure but the seismic signature of the "collapse" is barely noticeable above the background noise...

So how does a massive 47 story building "collapse" without being hit by a plane into it's own footprint under 7 seconds either by CD or fire without registering any seismic signature of that massive structure hitting the ground? Where did the mass go? If all the mass of the building fell which is approximately 200k tons of steel and concrete there would have been a dramatic seismic event recorded which would have been almost twice what the Seattle Kingdome registered (2.1) which had half the mass of WTC7 but WTC7 barely registered above background.

[LukeAir2008captain of 1,000]

The only thing we do know is that the official story is a crock of you know what

It wouldnt surprise me if Israeli or even British operatives were involved but we probably will never know the full story until they declassify it in 30 or 40 years time like they did with Northwoods and Ajax and all the other false flag operations.

[2BFreecaptain of 100]

The only thing we do know is that the official story is a crock of you know what

It wouldnt surprise me if Israeli or even British operatives were involved but we probably will never know the full story until they declassify it in 30 or 40 years time like they did with Northwoods and Ajax and all the other false flag operations.

As I have researched this event since it's occurrence my opinion as to the perpetrators has changed. I now am leaning toward an option that doesn't fit within the memes provided by the media both "mainstream" and alternative since if is evident to me that both have been controlled and manipulated to steer us away from other possible explanations. I don't believe that 911 was a "false flag" in the classical sense but was used as such by the federal Government to continue the propping up of the Military Industrial Security Complex. I do believe that there may have been insider collusion by certain higher up elements of this complex to "allow' the events to proceed or that there was another hidden element that "took over" the systems utilizing back doors and other secret access to allow the events to occur.

The technology used to "dustify" the three buildings in NY using scalar interferometry within a static field and demolecularizing (demassing) the steel and concrete (the buildings were dissolved into dust before our eyes) is a physics that has not been studied nor developed within orthodox science since Nazi Germany but was rediscovered and was known by such luminaries as Nikola Tesla and Farnsworth and seen in the current experiments of Hutchison which incorporates the orthodox rejected physics concept of the aether or Zero Point Energy to draw upon. This has lead me to the conclusion that this event is a very deep event that was perpetrated by secretive and unknown (as to the lay person) powers and could be a manifestation of a "breakaway" civilization that continued the alternative open free energy physics development initialed by the Third Reich and was a message to all who are in the know that this entity has this technology and can wreak havoc when and where they please.

Thus we see the implementation of Nazi-esk (Fascist) policies in this country and the roll over of our government to disregard it's Constitution and the usurpation of our God given rights cloaked in the guise of fighting an unknown terrorist threat but actually turning the gun on ourselves in an act of submission to a real and truly horrible terrorist threat.

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

If ALL the evidence is considered from that day including the great work by Dr. Jones and Dr. Wood we are looking at an event of such unusual and unexplained anomalies that it can't be explained simply as either collapsed due to fire (government theory) or control demolition (truther theory).

I have emphasized from the outset that the crashing of two huge, fuel-laden airliners into the towers is an unprecedented event for which there is no benchmark. Those who think they know what happened, endlessly citing laws of physics, etc., are conjecturing at best. While I don't agree with your explanation (PsyOp), I do agree that the sequence of events that followed the planes' impact is not clearly understood--and perhaps never will be.

Some progress, then.
We can say for sure that WTC 7 was NOT hit by a plane, and it fell at free-fall acceleration for over 100 feet. On this point even NIST finally agreed.

Note the following:

Northwestern University Professor of Civil Engineering Zdeněk Bažant, who was the first to offer a published peer-reviewed theory of the collapses, wrote "a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives" as an exception.[82] Bažant and Verdure trace such "strange ideas" to a "mistaken impression" that safety margins in design would make the collapses impossible. One of the effects of a more detailed modeling of the progressive collapse, they say, could be to "dispel the myth of planted explosives". Indeed, Bažant and Verdure have proposed examining data from controlled demolitions in order to better model the progressive collapse of the towers, suggesting that progressive collapse and controlled demolition are not two separate modes of failure (as the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory assumes).[2]

Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also dismissed the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory.[3] Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."[83]

Regarding Jones' theory that nanothermite was used to bring down the towers, and the assertion that thermite and nanothermite composites were found in the dust and debris were found following the collapse of the three buildings, which was concluded to be proof that explosives brought down the buildings,[10][6][7][84] Brent Blanchard, author of "A History of Explosive Demolition in America",[85] states that questions about the viability of Jones' theories remain unanswered, such as the fact that no demolition personnel noticed any telltale signs of thermite during the eight months of debris removal following the towers' collapse. Blanchard also stated that a verifiable chain of possession needs to be established for the tested beams, which did not occur with the beams Jones tested, raising questions of whether the metal pieces tested could have been cut away from the debris pile with acetylene torches, shears, or other potentially contaminated equipment while on site, or exposed to trace amounts of thermite or other compounds while being handled, while in storage, or while being transferred from Ground Zero to memorial sites.[86] Dave Thomas of Skeptical Inquirer magazine, noting that the residue in question was claimed to be thermitic because of its iron oxide and aluminum composition, pointed out that these substances are found in many items common to the towers. Thomas stated that in order to cut through a vertical steel beam, special high-temperature containment must be added to prevent the molten iron from dropping down, and that the thermite reaction is too slow for it to be practically used in building demolition. Thomas pointed out that when Jesse Ventura hired New Mexico Tech to conduct a demonstration showing nanothermite slicing through a large steel beam, the nanothermite produced copious flame and smoke but no damage to the beam, even though it was in a horizontal, and therefore optimal position.[87]

Preparing a building for a controlled demolition takes considerable time and effort.[88] The tower walls would have had to be opened on dozens of floors.[6] Thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms would need to be sneaked past security and placed in the towers[6][89] without the tens of thousands of people working in the World Trade Center noticing.[1][45][88][89][90][91] Referring to a conversation with Stuart Vyse, a professor of psychology, an article in the Hartford Advocate asks, "How many hundreds of people would you need to acquire the explosives, plant them in the buildings, arrange for the airplanes to crash [...] and, perhaps most implausibly of all, never breathe a single word of this conspiracy?"[92] (Source for all of the foregoing: Wikipedia, "World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories - 7 World Trade Center.")

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Northwestern University Professor of Civil Engineering Zdeněk Bažant, who was the first to offer a published peer-reviewed theory of the collapses, wrote "a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives" as an exception.[82] Bažant and Verdure trace such "strange ideas" to a "mistaken impression" that safety margins in design would make the collapses impossible. One of the effects of a more detailed modeling of the progressive collapse, they say, could be to "dispel the myth of planted explosives". Indeed, Bažant and Verdure have proposed examining data from controlled demolitions in order to better model the progressive collapse of the towers, suggesting that progressive collapse and controlled demolition are not two separate modes of failure (as the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory assumes).[2]

Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also dismissed the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory.[3] Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."[83]

Regarding Jones' theory that nanothermite was used to bring down the towers, and the assertion that thermite and nanothermite composites were found in the dust and debris were found following the collapse of the three buildings, which was concluded to be proof that explosives brought down the buildings,[10][6][7][84] Brent Blanchard, author of "A History of Explosive Demolition in America",[85] states that questions about the viability of Jones' theories remain unanswered, such as the fact that no demolition personnel noticed any telltale signs of thermite during the eight months of debris removal following the towers' collapse. Blanchard also stated that a verifiable chain of possession needs to be established for the tested beams, which did not occur with the beams Jones tested, raising questions of whether the metal pieces tested could have been cut away from the debris pile with acetylene torches, shears, or other potentially contaminated equipment while on site, or exposed to trace amounts of thermite or other compounds while being handled, while in storage, or while being transferred from Ground Zero to memorial sites.[86] Dave Thomas of Skeptical Inquirer magazine, noting that the residue in question was claimed to be thermitic because of its iron oxide and aluminum composition, pointed out that these substances are found in many items common to the towers. Thomas stated that in order to cut through a vertical steel beam, special high-temperature containment must be added to prevent the molten iron from dropping down, and that the thermite reaction is too slow for it to be practically used in building demolition. Thomas pointed out that when Jesse Ventura hired New Mexico Tech to conduct a demonstration showing nanothermite slicing through a large steel beam, the nanothermite produced copious flame and smoke but no damage to the beam, even though it was in a horizontal, and therefore optimal position.[87]

Preparing a building for a controlled demolition takes considerable time and effort.[88] The tower walls would have had to be opened on dozens of floors.[6] Thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms would need to be sneaked past security and placed in the towers[6][89] without the tens of thousands of people working in the World Trade Center noticing.[1][45][88][89][90][91] Referring to a conversation with Stuart Vyse, a professor of psychology, an article in the Hartford Advocate asks, "How many hundreds of people would you need to acquire the explosives, plant them in the buildings, arrange for the airplanes to crash [...] and, perhaps most implausibly of all, never breathe a single word of this conspiracy?"[92] (Source for all of the foregoing: Wikipedia, "World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories - 7 World Trade Center.")

The "progressive collapse theory" was rejected long ago due to the fact the towers "collapsed" too quickly and the "bathtub" that the towers were built in was not damaged since there was no material to damage it when the towers dissolved. Also the seismic signature of both towers which were built on bedrock was around 2.3 on the Richter Scale which compared to the Seattle Kingdome seismic signature (2.1) which was only 1/4 the mass of one of the towers and was not built on bedrock is about the equivalent to a 20 story building collapse which is interesting because the debris pile of the two towers was approximately what you would find after a 20 story building fell so where did the other 90 stories go? As I said before, the evidence does not support either the NIST claims of "collapse due to fire" or the controlled demolition hypothesis since both would have destroyed the "bathtub" and flooded lower Manhattan with the Hudson River and the seismic signature is too low. BM2...please refrain from regurgitating Wikipedia propaganda and try for once to do some real research and critically think for yourself...thanks