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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby awar_e » Wed May 09, 2012 7:20 am

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uglypitbull wrote:Other side of WHAT story? This video proves part of my point. This guy was sitting on his bike and was harassed by a cop. Did he commit a crime? No. Did he break any laws? No. He is probably sick and tired of being screwed with. In the end he was let go because he was in the right.



In regards to this Hells Angel and cop, speaking from experience these motorcycle “clubs” have a very different view on living life. They do not follow the laws of the land and identify themselves as the 1%. They proudly display this 1% tattoo to tell the world that they follow their own laws. They have no regard for human life and treat their wives like property while screwing whores each night after the bar with the guys. They are large manufacturers of methamphetamine and have strong ties to the mob acting as their strong arms.

They have a true hate for cops and won’t hesitate to use violence against them. Police have to assume they are up to no good because the majority of the time that is the case. He may not have broken any laws at that moment, but he did either before or will after the case.

I'm not impressed by all this video recording going on by civilians because they only show you what they want you to see. We watch these videos for the shock value. People have become so desensitized that we have to one up the last one to get peoples reaction. This is what fuels the need to edit this tapes leaving out things that are necessary to make a conclusion. We have become a society of guilty before proven innocent. It’s sad.

In no way do I advocate unnecessary violence, but I do think we have to see it from both sides. I have several cop and FBI friends and speaking to them over the years has helped me understand how they see things. I like many was always quicHe may not have broken any laws at that moment, but he did either before or will after the case.
k to judgment thinking I knew all the facts when indeed I did not. They think 10 steps ahead, and with each year of experience they get better at identifying trouble and their patterns. Based on many of these videos you don’t know what happened before the violent response. Those who tape it can easily cut out the beginning and only show the violence. We only need to look at how Zimmerman’s audio got edited in such a way it made him look like a racist.He may not have broken any laws at that moment, but he did either before or will after the case.


As we all know there are bad cops and good cops just like there are good and bad people in the world. Of course I’m human but I try not to assume until I know all the facts. I think all would agree that this becomes even more difficult to do when it is someone you know personally.
He may not have broken any laws at that moment, but he did either before or will after the case.

As it was said earlier each side has a story and unfortunately the majority of us are nHe may not have broken any laws at that moment, but he did either before or will after the case.
ot privy to all the facts to make an accurate judgment.

To think there was a time when a mans word was good enough...

Are you thinking about running for election as the Commissar of the Thought Police?
"He may not have broken any laws at that moment, but he did either before or will after the case."

May Heaven help us from you being the only one who could speak up in the defense of a subject of police BRUTALITY.
He may not have broken any laws at that moment, but he did either before or will after the case.
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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby awar_e » Wed May 09, 2012 7:23 am

Fiannan wrote:
In regards to this Hells Angel and cop, speaking from experience these motorcycle “clubs” have a very different view on living life. They do not follow the laws of the land and identify themselves as the 1%. They proudly display this 1% tattoo to tell the world that they follow their own laws. They have no regard for human life and treat their wives like property while screwing whores each night after the bar with the guys. They are large manufacturers of methamphetamine and have strong ties to the mob acting as their strong arms.


Wow, they act just like politicians in every respect!

My thoughts were the same when I read the part about "They are large manufacturers of methamphetamine and have strong ties to the mob acting as their strong arms."
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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby awar_e » Wed May 09, 2012 7:43 am

It has not been very many years since we had Peace Officers who were not dressed in Black with helmets and did not have a full belt of assorted hardware which could subdue a small town.
There were specific changes done to the makeup and training to transform our peace officers, whom nearly everyone respected without fear, to become what the creation of Fed Cops with the new name of Law Enforcement has become.
The War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Common Sense has all taken a serious toll on our quality of life.
LBJ set much of this in motion and those following residents of the Stained House at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. after his time, have merely worsened the situation.
None of this is by accident and can be understood if one searches through the many UN treaties and agendas which have taken the past 65 years to reach this point.
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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby coachmarc » Wed May 09, 2012 7:46 am

sadie_Mormon wrote:What is hanging off of their sticks?


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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby sadie_Mormon » Wed May 09, 2012 8:05 am

awar_e wrote:Are you thinking about running for election as the Commissar of the Thought Police?
"He may not have broken any laws at that moment, but he did either before or will after the case."

May Heaven help us from you being the only one who could speak up in the defense of a subject of police BRUTALITY.
He may not have broken any laws at that moment, but he did either before or will after the case.



Sorry I lost you here. When did I ever say that I support police brutality? In my post I said, “In no way do I advocate unnecessary violence, but I do think we have to see it from both sides.”

Because of my job I process things different when I look at events such as these. I can't make a conclusion either way if it was or was not police brutality without facts. That would not be a fair assessment.

When it comes to the Hell's Angeles I have personal experience. Wait let me clarify I have a sibling who is very high up in one of these "clubs". I'm not just making things up, because I have spent over 30 years exposed to it all.

My comments were not meant to offend rather it was to be honest about my experience on the subject. Just as everyone else has expressed theirs I too opted to express mine.
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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby sadie_Mormon » Wed May 09, 2012 8:11 am

awar_e wrote:The War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Common Sense has all taken a serious toll on our quality of life.

LBJ set much of this in motion and those following residents of the Stained House at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. after his time, have merely worsened the situation.

None of this is by accident and can be understood if one searches through the many UN treaties and agendas which have taken the past 65 years to reach this point.



Completely agree. This didn't happen overnight or by accident. I think it's actually a war on us citizens.
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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby uglypitbull » Wed May 09, 2012 10:59 am

sadie_Mormon wrote:What is hanging off of their sticks?


donuts
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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby awar_e » Wed May 09, 2012 5:26 pm

The constitution and the plan of salvation have like views on motorcycle gangs, gun owners and any number of groups which many see as needing to be controlled.
Peace officers of the past did not attempt to use mind reading to determine who might later commit an infraction of regulations which may have the force of law but were never created by an elected body of the legislature.
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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby DrJones » Thu May 10, 2012 10:19 am

CNN today; father turns down $1million from Calif city in order to pursue JUSTICE; read on:

Editor's note: Ruben Navarrette Jr. is a CNN.com contributor and a nationally syndicated columnist.

San Diego, California (CNN) -- As evidenced by media stories and public awareness campaigns, Americans have resolved to get tough on bullying. In that spirit, it's time to send a message to bullies with badges.

We need to tell police who prey on the vulnerable: "No more! When you pile on a suspect and beat him to death, we will treat you just like any other alleged criminal. We will arrest you and prosecute you. And if convicted, you will go to prison for a very long time. We will make an example out of you so that other police officers will think twice before abusing their power."

The messenger could be the jury that will hear the case against two police officers in Fullerton, California, a city about 25 miles southeast of Los Angeles. A judge ruled Wednesday that the officers will stand trial in the beating death last July of Kelly Thomas, a 37-year-old homeless man afflicted with schizophrenia.

Cpl. Jay Patrick Cicinelli is charged with involuntary manslaughter and felony use of excessive force. Officer Manuel Ramos faces the more serious charge of second-degree murder, because prosecutors believe he took a more active role in the assault. Both officers have pleaded not guilty.
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This week, at the preliminary hearing to determine whether enough evidence supports proceeding with a trial, prosecutors aired a graphic video of the savage beating. The footage shows about a half dozen officers punching and kicking and putting pressure on Thomas' chest, firing electric shocks from a Taser stun gun, all to supposedly subdue a suspect well beyond the point where he is resisting or capable of resisting arrest.

Early on, Ramos appears to tell the young man who is sitting on the ground: "You see my fists? They're getting ready to f--- you up!" Another police officer is heard saying: "We ran out of options so I got to the end of my Taser and I ... smashed his face to hell."

By the end of the video, Thomas is lying in a pool of blood. According to prosecutors, the young man suffered brain injuries, facial fractures, broken ribs and extensive bruises and abrasions. He died five days later.

What we see in that 33 minutes of footage, including a defenseless Thomas screaming in pain, saying he's sorry and pleading for help, should never happen in the United States of America. When it does happen, it can't be tolerated, justified, or excused.

That's coming from the son of a retired cop. My father wore a badge for 36 years, and he has no stomach for police brutality. In fact, about 20 years ago, when another piece of videotape surfaced -- that of the Rodney King beating by police officers in 1991 -- I remember my father telling me that, as far as he was concerned, those out-of-control law enforcement officers wailing on King had ceased being cops and become little more than thugs and criminals.
Video shows cops beating homeless man

As it turns out, Thomas' father is also a retired law enforcement officer. After his son died, Ron Thomas made it his mission to make sure the story got out and would not be forgotten. He used social media and the Internet to show the world what those officers had done to his son, complete with graphic photos that he took at the side of Kelly Thomas' hospital bed.

This is a good dad. But he was also, apparently, a good cop who trained fellow deputies on the right way to take down suspects. This is the wrong way. Thomas described the officers' actions as nothing less than a "hate crime against the homeless and mentally ill."

Last year, Fullerton city officials offered Thomas nearly a million dollars to settle the case. He turned it down, and instead pushed for a criminal trial.

This should bring some small comfort to Ron Thomas. He needs it. He has to carry around with him for the rest of his life that, as his son was fighting for his life, he cried out for his father to protect him from these bullies. On the video, we hear Kelly Thomas screaming: "Daddy, help! They're killing me!" As a father myself, those words break my heart.

"Daddy, help! They're killing me!"


He was killed. And now, if the cops are convicted of this crime, they have to pay.
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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby uglypitbull » Thu May 10, 2012 11:26 am

and in Denver, they beat a witness to a false stop...who was only walking his dog.

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Re: If you see something...film something

Postby karen2cruise » Thu May 10, 2012 3:18 pm

These last two posts just tear at my heart. How, how can this be happening in once a land ..a "land of the free and hoe of the brave". We are no longer free and the only brave ones now are those willing to film the thugs who once were committed to protecting it's citizens.
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Postby awar_e » Thu May 10, 2012 5:15 pm

karen2cruise wrote:These last two posts just tear at my heart. How, how can this be happening in once a land ..a "land of the free and hoe of the brave". We are no longer free and the only brave ones now are those willing to film the thugs who once were committed to protecting it's citizens.

Yet we get belittled by some in these forums for trying to point out that the Law Enforcement of today has no resemblance to the Peace Officers of the 1950's.
We have been slowly boiled as the frog in the pot and most have no clue what freedom used to look like.
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