Is the Republican Party the "Mormon" Party?

[jonholb55captain of 100]

I want to ask this question listed below since here in Utah there is a belief that if you are an active Latter-day Saint, you must support the Republican Party since its goals most closely represent the the aspirations of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

[jonholb55captain of 100]

There are talk-show hosts like Sean Hannity, who put as much faith in the Republican Party as we should put in God and His prophets, both ancient and modern. I want people to vote this November for the candidates whose positions are most in-line with the Constitution and the Prophets, regardless of party affiliation. Thank-You

[79scholarcaptain of 100]

I voted no, but I believe BOTH Republican and Democratic policies are part of Secret Combinations. I believe Secret Combinations control a vast majority of both parties, especially the RNC and DNC.

The Democratic is simpler to prove due to their sudden Socialistic tendencies. (If you like I can explain the Communism - Gadianton connection)

However I believe that since the Gadiantons have evolved the Democratic party into their anti-thesis, ever since then they have worked hard to insert THEMSELVES as Republican candidates and especially White House staff advisors. Consider Nelson Rockefeller, and then how Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and more are devout followers of Leo Strauss.

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

The Republican party, just like the Democrat party, is working towards effecting changes that are socialist. I don't expect many to believe this, but both parties have been infiltrated by and supported by LDGs. I know of only one tiny organization within the Republican Party that is trying to restore some semblance of constitutional government; that is the Arizona Republican Assembly. There may possibly be other groups within the Republican Party trying to accomplish the same thing. Arizona has been our home for 19 years and I heard of the organization only a few months ago. I realize the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party and any other similar minded parties together will likely not make much of dent in our "awful situation". And Congressman Ron Paul, the only true constitutionalist in Congress, is a Republican congressman. Nevertheless, I believe it is too late to reverse course now. We are on our way over the waterfall and our only hope now is to rig for the safest possible splash down. We are not going to change the Republican Party. We have been living in Utah now for only a couple of weeks, and I have nosed around to get the feel of the political climate. I find so far that professed Republicans are largely Socialists in their views, certainly by the standards set by Ezra Taft Benson and H. Verlan Andersen. I cannot envision any reform being effected thru the Republican Party. Then it seems there is the other half that profess to be Democrats.

I do not consider the Constitution or the Libertarian Parties to be saviours of our nation, not at this point at least. I view them as magnets for the so-called "remnant"; those who sincerely espouse constitutional principles and who will be prepared to contribute to the restoration of constitutional government in America at some later time. They may well be the people Ezra Taft Benson was referring to when he stated: "We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: 'Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction.'" (The Constitution, a Heavenly Banner, 1986, p.28) "For years we have heard of the role the elders could play in saving the Constitution from total destruction. But how can the elders be expected to save it if they have not studied it and are not sure if it is being destroyed or what is destroying it?" ("Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson", p.619-620) It is my hope that the Constitution Party will be the magnet that awakens voters to our "awful situation". And I percieve there may be some increase in awakening to the dangers that face us. I'm aware of 50 candidates for elected office in Utah from the Constitution Party of Utah. I am not sure the awakening is going to be fast enough to avoid the disaster which could very seriously result in bloodshed, hardship, and much sorrow in America, but they may well contribute to the restoration of constitutional government in America at some later time.

[John Adamscaptain of 1,000]

It is my hope that the Constitution Party will be the magnet that awakens voters to our "awful situation". And I percieve there may be some increase in awakening to the dangers that face us. I'm aware of 50 candidates for elected office in Utah from the Constitution Party of Utah. I am not sure the awakening is going to be fast enough to avoid the disaster which could very seriously result in bloodshed, hardship, and much sorrow in America, but they may well contribute to the restoration of constitutional government in America at some later time.

Good point. I like what the Constitution Party represents, but I've often thought that it is too late. I like your point though that we can still always prepare for "some later time". So we keep moving forward the best we can supporting the Constitutional principles.

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

I'm anxious to see how Cannon and Hatch especailly make out in the election. Because both have an "R" behind their names and are LDSs, most Utah voters seem content to vote for them. Both have contributed considerably to the "shredding" of our Constitution.

[Tribunalcaptain of 1,000]

I know of only one tiny organization within the Republican Party that is trying to restore some semblance of constitutional government; that is the Arizona Republican Assembly.

I wouldn't get too comfortable with the Republican Assembly. I asked the president of the National Republican Assembly and someone with him who was trying to put together a Utah Republican Assembly what steps they were using to prevent social-Republicans from infiltrating their organizations. They gave me some story on how it would never happen.

Funny! A week later I was invited to a meeting to help organize a chapter of the Utah Republican Assembly in my county and found out it was going to be held at the house of the most hypocritically social-Republican I know in Utah politics!

I'm anxious to see how Cannon and Hatch especailly make out in the election. Because both have an "R" behind their names and are LDSs, most Utah voters seem content to vote for them. Both have contributed considerably to the "shredding" of our Constitution.

It doesn't matter! If it looks like Cannon or Hatch are doing poorly in the poles you'll have George and Laura Bush calling you to remember who to vote for. There are too many mindless sheeple here in Utah!

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

The following is from the World Affairs Brief of 27 Oct 2006, edited by Joel Skousen.

"Many conservatives are afraid to vote for a third party candidate for fear of "throwing their vote away" - a concept heavily emphasized by Republicans who want conservative votes, but despise a principled conservative/libertarian/constitutionalist agenda. Conservatives have fallen for this "lesser of two evils" argument for decades and what have we got to show for it? -More socialism, more war, more intervention, more globalism, more abortion, more deficits, and now a major reduction in core civil liberties.

"The only way to make a difference is to send a strong message to Republicans. "We're tired of being lied to, flattered and compromised. From now on, we'll only vote on principle, not pragmatism." When you vote for a conservative or libertarian third party, you'll send two very important messages, even if your candidate doesn't win this time around:

"(1) If a Republican loses because of third party defections, there is a better chance the Republicans will be forced to pay more attention to hard-line conservative/constitutionalist demands next time. [Of course, that would only be temporary, because the Republicans and Democrats are controlled at the top by globalists].

"(2) If a third party were to break the 10% threshold, voter's perceptions about the ultimate possibilities of breaking the two party monopoly will be changed. We might also get some legitimate opposition candidates invited to election debates in the future. Currently, most establishment debates are off-limits to third parties (unless they are a phony opposition like Ross Perot's independent candidacy in the 90s which paved the way to Clinton's election).

"I do encourage you to vote, even though I am pessimistic about ever turning things around politically. There are many important ballot issues where you have the ability to bypass the evils of state legislatures (who are also highly controlled by establishment forces) and enact good law in spite of them - that is, until the courts intervene and throw out the will of the people! Above all, we must keep trying, if nothing else to influence other good people who may eventually see the light, and ultimately, to make sure none of these politicians claim ignorance before the judgment bar of God."

[Tribunalcaptain of 1,000]

I wonder how many true-blue constitutional-Republicans there really are?

[SwissMrs&Pitchfirecaptain of 1,000]

Warning sarcasm coming,...I think it's sarcasm,

14 by my count!

[Tribunalcaptain of 1,000]

Warning sarcasm coming,...I think it's sarcasm,

14 by my count!

That many? Wow! There's hope!

[Swmorgan77captain of 100]

I wonder how many true-blue constitutional-Republicans there really are?

I think a large number of Republicans are still conservative at their core, and have simply been decieved by the incrementalism and the propaganda of the post 9/11 paradigm.

More and more are returning to true Conservatism every day. Just browse through the http://www.hannity.com forums and you can see this. A few months ago it was all threads about "Islamofascism" and "Democrats aid terrorists". They are still there, but now there is a lot of Constitutional discussion and a lot of opposition to this administration on conservative grounds.

Sadly, this trend has not - to nearly the same degree, happened on the Wasatch front.

[BrianM]

Out of the National Senate and House representatives I count only 1 true constitutional-Republican:

Ron Paul

I think a large number of Republicans are still conservative at their core

I think a large number of Republicans are socialists, and most have either not read, or just don't understand, the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

More and more are returning to true Conservatism every day. Just browse through the http://www.hannity.com

It's too bad that Hannity is not a true Constitutionalist, he is a Neo-Conservative as opposed to true Constitutionalists, who are paleo-conservatives.

[Stephencaptain of 1,000]

If you want to see if the Republican party is a "mormon" party...go to PEC like I did a few weeks ago and mention that you have left the Republican party and see the reaction you get!! I was greeted with some interesting looks...and an "oh, my!".

The national Republican party platform endorses socialism and is in direct conflict with the words of the prophets...has anyone done a "This is what the platform says"..."This is what the prophets say.." paper? I would love to have that to give out.

[SwissMrs&Pitchfirecaptain of 1,000]

There are a couple of comparisons on the homepage on the lower left.

[BrianM]

go to PEC like I did

??? and what is PEC? google search for PEC brings up: Pedernales Electric, Punjab Engineering College, Postsecondary Education Consortium, Pakistan Engineering Council, I didn't find anything about Republicans. post a link please

The national Republican party platform endorses socialism

Even the Utah Republican Party platform endorses some socialism, and it's no secret that the Republicans in office are even more socialistic than the platform. Here is the reference to the platform:

...We recognize, however, that there are special social needs which must be addressed through state human service programs... http://utgop.financialprintplus.com/Con ... &C=34&S=59

[SwissMrs&Pitchfirecaptain of 1,000]

It must stand for phony ethic candidates. or peoples enemy candidates, or public enemy consolidation, or pedophiles en concentration, or... pro eliminating children?

[Stephencaptain of 1,000]

You guys crack me up! Sorry for the acronym...it really stands for Priesthood Executive Committee...a Latter-Day Saint sunday meeting for leadership....I wish it did stand for one of things you'all said!! I am still laughing!

[BrianM]

...stands for Priesthood Executive Committee...a Latter-Day Saint sunday meeting for leadership...

Oh ya PEC, I've been to some of those - I was just thinking of some kind of political thing. I don't talk about political things very often at Church - but I do look for opportunities to mix something in during a lesson, if it's relevant. I once gave a guy that I hometeach, a bunch of Constitution Party literature - the next time I saw him he said he only believed in about half of it and then he went on to explain that he is in support of socialist welfare by government and that he thinks a prophet, such as Ezra Taft Benson, should never speak about politics in conference - WHO is he to decide what a prophet shouldn't speak about!

Anyways, another guy that I spoke with at Church back in 2005 started coming to the Cleon Skousen meetings and he still comes to our weekly meeting! Also, Ken Bowers' (author of Hiding in Plain Sight) daughter is in my ward... so I feel good that at least I my family is not alone in our beliefs regarding political truth.

You would hope that as Latter-day Saints there would be more people open to the truth, not just regarding religion, but everything! especially when these believes determine just how free we are and will be.

Recently I passed out Constitution Party literature in my neighborhood, including information about my campaign for Utah State Senate... A few people at Church asked me about it.

[Stephencaptain of 1,000]

Hey...just so you know....I'm not some weirdo who just says such things out of the blue...we were going to read the neutrality letter...and someone joked that it was fine to be neutral as long as you are republican...and then I opened my mouth.

[Tribunalcaptain of 1,000]

That's funny! In my PEC meeting I'm the only constitutionally-minded one there. Everyone else is either an open socialist or closet Democrat.

Life is good behind the Zion Curtain!

[ChelCThe Law]

"oh my!"

Stephen, if you say your not a BYU fan, they just may put you on probation.

[ROB GIBBSENcaptain of 100]

The Kingdom of Christ is to be the functional opposite of any government which has ever existed before. All the mortal governments which have to compel people to support them through theft and extortion. That is not the Lord's way. The republicans are in Satan's power here on earth as is everyone who does evil and does not repent.

[Birchercaptain of 100]

The Kingdom of Christ is to be the functional opposite of any government which has ever existed before. All the mortal governments which have to compel people to support them through theft and extortion. That is not the Lord's way. The republicans are in Satan's power here on earth as is everyone who does evil and does not repent.

That's a bit extreme, and doesn't seem to be based on the scriptures that state that lots of govts started out in favor with God. I would tend to agree mostly with your statement on the Republican stuff, but The City of Enoch was clearly doing half way decent to be brought taken up the way it was. Additionally, God has put His stamp of approval on the US Constitution no matter how much we have apostatized from what He originally gave us.

[ROB GIBBSENcaptain of 100]

The Kingdom of Christ is to be the functional opposite of any government which has ever existed before. All the mortal governments which have to compel people to support them through theft and extortion. That is not the Lord's way. The republicans are in Satan's power here on earth as is everyone who does evil and does not repent.

That's a bit extreme, and doesn't seem to be based on the scriptures that state that lots of govts started out in favor with God. I would tend to agree mostly with your statement on the Republican stuff, but The City of Enoch was clearly doing half way decent to be brought taken up the way it was. Additionally, God has put His stamp of approval on the US Constitution no matter how much we have apostatized from what He originally gave us.

Your point is noted but I stand by what I posted

[Jewcaptain of 50]

The Kingdom of Christ is to be the functional opposite of any government which has ever existed before. All the mortal governments which have to compel people to support them through theft and extortion. That is not the Lord's way. The republicans are in Satan's power here on earth as is everyone who does evil and does not repent.

That is a clear point. No gray there.

Perhaps the ruling law of the Kingdom of Christ is the Golden Rule.

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
(Matt 7:12)

[stancaptain of 10]

Just an observation. An earlier post talked about a talk show guy putting as much faith in the R party as we should put in God and His prophets. Is this not evidence of why there is a problem in the church. It is heartbreaking how many do not know the Gospel. Should we have faith in His prophets? We have went far afield indeed. Faith in prophets... I have met those in the church of Hinkley. Hinkley was a good guy and did many good things. He also made mistakes, big ones. All in all he was prophet of our Lord Jesus, that worked hard to teach us by word and example. So often he spoke by the Spirit and taught us the most correct word of the Lord, and occaisionally he spoke his misunderstandings. All that had faith in him had misplaced their faith, really misplaced.
Who am I to say such things, I am only an obscure member. But when a letter about a salamander was being passed around and casting an evil light towards Joseph Smith, I ask God about the issue and I was told, by the Spirit, that the letter was untrue. Later I saw Hinkley and others on the news giving the letter to someone. I felt terrible for them. It was plane that they had not asked or their actions would have been different. There is more. But all in all Hinkley was a very good man, in a time that there are very few, very good men.
Well, did not J. Smith Jr, say if our confidence is placed in our leaders it is misplaced? (maybe look in the Teachings of of the Prophet J.S.) Did not J.Rubin Clark mentioned to us some years ago that if we have too much confidence in our leaders we will take their words as they come, and not ask God if they are correct. I think Pres. Benson even added J. Rubin Clark's above mentioned words in one of his books. And the list goes on.
Jesus is Lord, the one who came into the manger and went into the garden and onto the cross to save us. That leaves all us fallen mortals in desperate need of Jesus' atonement. We are just helpers. And some have that spectacular calling of Mother and Father, and some others have lesser callings with titles such as...

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

Tribunal, what are the symptoms of a person being either an open socialist or closet Democrat that you would notice in church?

[Proud 2b Peculiarcaptain of 1,000]

hmm expecting a handout. Telling others to seek solutions from the state or federal government rather then God or the church, community family, friends....

umm.. I think I will stop there

[WYp8riotcaptain of 1,000]

Since I was able to give a talk Sunday about tithing, I managed to mention that it was a prepatory law because the members failed to live the consecration. I added some words from here on the forum and from a Robert D Hales talk (from lds.org) that states the same. I managed to mention that living the higher law supports Christs plan (FREE AGENCY) with complete and total individual responsibility as the highest form of government and mentioned how the church operates debt free through voluntary 10% tithing, fast and other offerings in contrast to forced charity that never works and has helped get us into the financial crisis we are in now. Unless we prepare for the higher law such forced Charity and loss of freedom that creates anger in both the giver and the reciever always leads to tyranny and opression.

Freedom is tied to free agency and I think can tactfully be applied to any talk or lesson in the church unless guided by the spirit to refrain.

-Paul