Thinker wrote:What can we learn? Our government is largely corrupt? So, what do we do?
If the saints were united in their thinking, just think what millions of prayers would do for this country. Even so if the remaining saints that want freedom and liberty; want the constitution and privileges it grants left intact, then the prayers from these folks can help a lot. Sad part is too many saints want different results, like Romney over Paul, as an example. Who knows, maybe some even like Obama.
I've sent emails to my Congressman only to be ignored. So I figure this is the next best thing. Come election time, I'm going to vote for the person I fell is honest, wise and good to the best of my ability. Someone that holds dear the Constitution of the United States, even if my vote stands alone.
The first step to change is understanding there is a problem. Too many are stuck in the Blue Moon zone and don't understand what's happening. If enough people knew what the true story was, the Gadiantons would not last one more day.
Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev said --listen to near the end for this:
It takes INDEPENDENCE of mind, HONESTY of heart, FAITH in God, FIRMNESS of character to live the life of a LDS in the face of a frowning world and in the midst of trials, troubles and persecution. Wilford W.
Thomas wrote:: . . . There is basically only one corporation anymore, among major media.
BM: And the name/location of that corporation is ___________________.
: The Name is the Illumianti. Aka: Gadiantions, Secret Combinations. The headquarters is most likely The Federal Reserve Bank Of Kanas City but like most secret, criminal organizations they do not broadcast these kind of details. They have many subsidiaries ,like the Bilderbergers, The CFR, The Trilateral Commision. They own a controling interest in nearly all fortune 500 companies. They have been able to acomplish this through the unlimited power of money creation. They can print us dollars and do what they please with them. Allthough they try to keep details secret, there are reporters and writers who have dedicated their lives to exposing this group. Just like there are reporters that have dedicated their lives to exposing 9/11 and bringing whistleblower testimony to the public. Of course, This is ignored by the main stream press because the Gadiantions own the main stream press.
BM: Fascinating: "Writers such as Mark Dice, David Icke, Texe Marrs, Ryan Burke, Juri Lina, and Morgan Gricar have argued that the Bavarian Illuminati [founded in 1776 in Upper Bavaria] survived, possibly to this day. Many of these theories propose that world events are being controlled and manipulated by a secret society calling itself the Illuminati. Conspiracy theorists [emphasis added] have claimed that many notable people were or are members of the Illuminati. Presidents of the U.S. are a common target for such claims. A key figure in the conspiracy theory movement [emphasis added], Myron Fagan, devoted his latter years to finding evidence that a variety of historical events from Waterloo, The French Revolution, Pres. John F. Kennedy's assassination, and an alleged communist plot to hasten the New World Order by infiltrating the Hollywood film industry, were all orchestrated by the Illuminati." (Wikipedia, "Illuminati").
BM: Here's a friendly suggestion, Thomas: For a balanced, rational account of secret societies read J.M. Roberts' The Mythology of Secret Societies and/or Michael Barkun's A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America.
let me add a couple of other names to the list of those who propose world events are being controlled by a secret society: God, Nephi, Mormon, Moroni, Pres Benson, Pres Mckay. Just to add a few. There are of course many thousands more.
Thanks for the recommendation. it is good to know both sides of the issue. I have come to my knowledge through many years of study and though prayer, to know if things are true. I have asked God to guide me to an understanding of our awful situation. You might want to try it, though I think God want's us to use our own mind to learn as much as possible first, he will help us with this quest.
Re: recommended books on secret combinations -- my favorite is the Bk of Mormon!
I memorized Ether 8:24 today. Reminded that the Lord commands us to awake to our awful situation, and pronounces a "wo" on those who build up the secret combination! Let's awaken therefore as many as we can, and stop feeding the Gadiantons!
Now from an email to me today (I haven't read it; recommended by a good friend):
Have you read the book, The Hidden Evil, by Mark Rich? It's a complete dissection and run down on the "elite." It has lots of documentation and in depth analysis. It's full of irrefutable "evidence" so for those doubters this is a good book.
I was looking for a message board for conservative Latter day Saints for intellectually substnative discussion of political issues from an LDS perspective, and we have - 9/11 conspiracy theories, and anti-Semitic raving on another thread?
Anti-intellectualism of this degree and caliber have no place within either conservatism or the Church. Perhaps I've come to the wrong place.
few discoveries are more irritating than those that expose the pedigree of ideas. - Lord Acton
Today it was announced that 3 of 4 "pink slime" plants have been closed as of today. It was the MSM that broke and pursued this story with the end result being the near disontinuance of production of this product. i think we can all agree that is a good thing.
Assuming what was said about all MSM in this thread was correct (owned, controlled by one organization and only approved stories are allowed to run), how does it work into the LDGs plan to stop "pink slime" from being put into the food supply? I would assume it would be an integral part of their plan (i.e. poison the food supply so we are more dependent on them / reduce the surplus population / make us more docile).
durangout wrote:Today it was announced that 3 of 4 "pink slime" plants have been closed as of today. It was the MSM that broke and pursued this story with the end result being the near disontinuance of production of this product. i think we can all agree that is a good thing.
Assuming what was said about all MSM in this thread was correct (owned, controlled by one organization and only approved stories are allowed to run), how does it work into the LDGs plan to stop "pink slime" from being put into the food supply? I would assume it would be an integral part of their plan (i.e. poison the food supply so we are more dependent on them / reduce the surplus population / make us more docile).
Well, economic destruction is also part of their plan... this story may have accidentally come out initially, but my guess is that it's trivial and that having several hundred more people unemployed plays just as well into the overall scheme of things. So, now when you go to the store and ground beef costs 4x as much... that too just helps out their goal of making the American public broke.
durangout wrote:Today it was announced that 3 of 4 "pink slime" plants have been closed as of today. It was the MSM that broke and pursued this story with the end result being the near disontinuance of production of this product. i think we can all agree that is a good thing.
Assuming what was said about all MSM in this thread was correct (owned, controlled by one organization and only approved stories are allowed to run), how does it work into the LDGs plan to stop "pink slime" from being put into the food supply? I would assume it would be an integral part of their plan (i.e. poison the food supply so we are more dependent on them / reduce the surplus population / make us more docile).
Look into "Fast and Furious". When it does matter, the story is killed. There is a difference between the media control we have vs that of North Korea. The Gadiantons have not gained enough control over the populace to have a total propagada machine. They still need to maintain an illusion of freedom. At least for now. With the laws passed since 9/11, it won't be to much longer until they have total control.
Does being guilty in the murder of 3,000 people in New York on 9/11, 150 more at the Pentagon and millions in the middle east over the last 10 years do that to a man?
"Truth is in history, but history is not the truth." - Nicolás Gómez Dávila
Does being guilty in the murder of 3,000 people in New York on 9/11, 150 more at the Pentagon and millions in the middle east over the last 10 years do that to a man?
Emperor Palpatine and the "power" of the Dark Side.
durangout wrote:Today it was announced that 3 of 4 "pink slime" plants have been closed as of today. It was the MSM that broke and pursued this story with the end result being the near disontinuance of production of this product. i think we can all agree that is a good thing.
Assuming what was said about all MSM in this thread was correct (owned, controlled by one organization and only approved stories are allowed to run), how does it work into the LDGs plan to stop "pink slime" from being put into the food supply? I would assume it would be an integral part of their plan (i.e. poison the food supply so we are more dependent on them / reduce the surplus population / make us more docile).
If you think "pink slime" is terrible, you don't even know the half of it. The reason this is in the news is because the word "slime" is used and perks the ears. Flouride doesn't have that effect. GMO doesn't have that effect. Prescription drugs doesn't have that effect. There are actually many stories that get reported in the MSM, but are later taken down and erased and/or forgotten. Like many of the videotaped and documented eyewitnesses and government officials testimonies on 9/11, the war on terror, etc. Take this little gem for example:
Who remembers these?
Original Intent summed it up well in another thread, and addresses the questions on the msm.
Original_Intent wrote:
There is no opposition, aside from "wasted vote" third party candidates who are only labelled conspiracy whackjobs if they say any of this stuff.
The Democrat vs. Republican battle is at least 90% theatre and is mostly to convince the masses that they have a say in the matter. The name of the game is to have to candidates who talk a completely different game (for the masses to get worked up about) but that in office will do pretty much the same. Oh, one might be a bit more pro business or pro-welfare than the other, but in regards to the wars, and most policies of any importance they are going to both do pretty much the same.
Even the tlaking heads that loathed Bush - again they were able to loathe him to the point that it would stir up their respective base of support, but neither candidate, if they are establishment choices that obey their masters, is ever going to be exposed for anything serious enough to get the majority of both parties to demand justice.
Obama has committed numerous clearly impeachable offences in office, and possibly is not even qualified to hold that office. There is evidence that his SS# is a stolen number and I now hear that his selective service records are possibly forged. Clinton's were practically mafia and are close associates of the Bushes, having worked together on many illegal operations, particularly drug running. But don';t expect to hear about that in the MSM.
durangout wrote:Today it was announced that 3 of 4 "pink slime" plants have been closed as of today. It was the MSM that broke and pursued this story with the end result being the near disontinuance of production of this product. i think we can all agree that is a good thing.
Assuming what was said about all MSM in this thread was correct (owned, controlled by one organization and only approved stories are allowed to run), how does it work into the LDGs plan to stop "pink slime" from being put into the food supply? I would assume it would be an integral part of their plan (i.e. poison the food supply so we are more dependent on them / reduce the surplus population / make us more docile).
Look into "Fast and Furious". When it does matter, the story is killed. There is a difference between the media control we have vs that of North Korea. The Gadiantons have not gained enough control over the populace to have a total propagada machine. They still need to maintain an illusion of freedom. At least for now. With the laws passed since 9/11, it won't be to much longer until they have total control.
You are inaccurate to say the least. This story wasn't killed. I saw and heard much about it on both tv and the radio. It was clearly a conspiracy by O's admin. It would be more accurate to say that the story "died". It "died" because most people, fankly, wern't that interested in it. Of course, most MSM news outlets are "in the bag" for O being socialists themselves and didn't cover it accurately (which is part of the reason there wasn't the interest by the public that there should've been).
durangout wrote:Today it was announced that 3 of 4 "pink slime" plants have been closed as of today. It was the MSM that broke and pursued this story with the end result being the near disontinuance of production of this product. i think we can all agree that is a good thing.
Assuming what was said about all MSM in this thread was correct (owned, controlled by one organization and only approved stories are allowed to run), how does it work into the LDGs plan to stop "pink slime" from being put into the food supply? I would assume it would be an integral part of their plan (i.e. poison the food supply so we are more dependent on them / reduce the surplus population / make us more docile).
Look into "Fast and Furious". When it does matter, the story is killed. There is a difference between the media control we have vs that of North Korea. The Gadiantons have not gained enough control over the populace to have a total propagada machine. They still need to maintain an illusion of freedom. At least for now. With the laws passed since 9/11, it won't be to much longer until they have total control.
You are inaccurate to say the least. This story wasn't killed. I saw and heard much about it on both tv and the radio. It was clearly a conspiracy by O's admin. It would be more accurate to say that the story "died". It "died" because most people, fankly, wern't that interested in it. Of course, most MSM news outlets are "in the bag" for O being socialists themselves and didn't cover it accurately (which is part of the reason there wasn't the interest by the public that there should've been).
That's pretty much what I mean by being killed. The MSM played it down as if it was no big deal. If they would have gave it the attention it deserves, Obama would not President right now. So much of what happens in the MSM is based on the interpetation they put on it. If they were calling for Obama's head day and night like thy should have been, the public would have understood the nataure of the crime against this country. Blue has proposed that any crimnal behavior by the white house would be sized upon by the MSM and they would have a heyday, lynching the Pres. over the airwaves. In the case of Fast and Furious , the MSM downplayed the seriousness of it and ignored or failed to bring information to light that would have enraged the public, if they knew about it.
They casually inform us of the destruction of the constitution as if it were no big deal as well. As a result, most people don't comprehend the serious situation we are in now. The public has become so sedated and dependant upon the interpetation of the MSM, that the Gadiantons can do anything at will.The press of fifty years ago would have been screaming about what's going on today.
The MSM has also reported on the Fukishima disaster as well. As far as I am concerned they have killed that story. I actually saw the weather man on MSNBC laughing about it and one reporter on Fox said the radaition would keep people from getting cancer. If you look for alternative source of info, you will discover many experts claiming it is the worst disaster in the history of mankind and will eventually kill many millions of people all over the world, including here. Many children will suffer cancers and birth defects. Tokoyo is radioactive timebomb, but as long as the MSM doesn't freak out about it, then everyone thinks it's OK. Pretty soon Godzilla will climb out of the ocean and attack Japan.
This is real strange, infowarrior82. I posted a 1:24 video covering the very info you posted here, and it seems that no one cared enough to view it and comment on it. Yet you post it and get responses. The video content is emotionally stirring and well put together. Your posted video is like a short version of the other one.
Perhaps most people like the short version of revealed corruption.
Thanks for posting it, and BTW, I actually viewed it. I am convinced there are coverups happening in almost every arena of media output, stemming from corruption in Washington DC and abroad.
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It takes INDEPENDENCE of mind, HONESTY of heart, FAITH in God, FIRMNESS of character to live the life of a LDS in the face of a frowning world and in the midst of trials, troubles and persecution. Wilford W.
Does being guilty in the murder of 3,000 people in New York on 9/11, 150 more at the Pentagon and millions in the middle east over the last 10 years do that to a man?
I could swear your avatar is a depiction of Christ.
freedomfighter wrote:This is real strange. I posted a 1:24 video covering the very info you posted here, and it seems that no one cared enough to view it and comment on it. Yet you post it and get responses. The video content is emotionally stirring and well put together. Your posted video is like a short version of the other one.
Perhaps most people like the short version of revealed corruption.
Thanks for posting it, and BTW, I actually viewed it. I am convinced there are coverups happening in almost every arena of media output, stemming from corruption in Washington DC and abroad.
I guess I owe you couple of high fives. I agree to much of what has been said by you, Dr. Jones, Infowarrior82, Rob,ColFlagg Ugly PB,Late out of bed, Orignal Intent, Jason, LIT and others. Now I am wondering who Iv'e left. out.
I was looking for a message board for conservative Latter day Saints for intellectually substnative discussion of political issues from an LDS perspective, and we have - 9/11 conspiracy theories, and anti-Semitic raving on another thread?
Anti-intellectualism of this degree and caliber have no place within either conservatism or the Church. Perhaps I've come to the wrong place.
Perhaps you were looking for the LDS slavery forum. If calling in to question government lies and revealing secret combinations is anti-intellect, then slavery and death, will be the reward for intellect.
I was looking for a message board for conservative Latter day Saints for intellectually substnative discussion of political issues from an LDS perspective, and we have - 9/11 conspiracy theories, and anti-Semitic raving on another thread?
Anti-intellectualism of this degree and caliber have no place within either conservatism or the Church. Perhaps I've come to the wrong place.
If that is what you came for, boy did you come to the wrong place. If you find that, please let me know.
I was looking for a message board for conservative Latter day Saints for intellectually substnative discussion of political issues from an LDS perspective, and we have - 9/11 conspiracy theories, and anti-Semitic raving on another thread?
Anti-intellectualism of this degree and caliber have no place within either conservatism or the Church. Perhaps I've come to the wrong place.
If that is what you came for, boy did you come to the wrong place. If you find that, please let me know.
durangout, how can you call in to question the existence of secret combinations and call yourself LDS. Have you been reading other scriptures or what? Please look at the link below. I got it off the thread Dr Jones started about praying for LDS to awaken to our awful situation. If you can read this and come back to me, I would really like to hear how you can justify your position and still be LDS.
Thomas wrote:: durangout, how can you call in to question the existence of secret combinations and call yourself LDS. Have you been reading other scriptures or what? Please look at the link below. I got it off the thread Dr Jones started about praying for LDS to awaken to our awful situation. If you can read this and come back to me, I would really like to hear how you can justify your position and still be LDS.
Thus, by your lights, Thomas, durangout is not worthy to enter the temple. The only temple recommend question that comes even close to what you have in mind is #6, which refers to having an affiliation with any group/person. . . . There is no mention of "secret combinations" or of Gadianton Robbers, or of having read "None Dare," or any thing of the sort.
You take an egregious liberty by suggesting that durangout is not worthy of calling himself a Latter-day Saint. He has every right to take offense and to demand an apology.
At the end of your linked video, there appears--in tiny type--this statement: THE VIEWS REPRESENTED IN THIS PRESENTATION SHOULD IN NO WAY BE CONSTRUED AS THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF, NOR ENDORSEMENT BY, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.
Thomas wrote:: durangout, how can you call in to question the existence of secret combinations and call yourself LDS. Have you been reading other scriptures or what? Please look at the link below. I got it off the thread Dr Jones started about praying for LDS to awaken to our awful situation. If you can read this and come back to me, I would really like to hear how you can justify your position and still be LDS.
Thus, by your lights, Thomas, durangout is not worthy to enter the temple. The only temple recommend question that comes even close to what you have in mind is #6, which refers to having an affiliation with any group/person. . . . There is no mention of "secret combinations" or of Gadianton Robbers, or of having read "None Dare," or any thing of the sort.
You take an egregious liberty by suggesting that durangout is not worthy of calling himself a Latter-day Saint. He has every right to take offense and to demand an apology.
At the end of your linked video, there appears--in tiny type--this statement: THE VIEWS REPRESENTED IN THIS PRESENTATION SHOULD IN NO WAY BE CONSTRUED AS THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF, NOR ENDORSEMENT BY, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.
I am sure the disclaimer refers to the quotes by JFK, Patrick Henry and other non-LDS figures. I am pretty confident in the fact that the Book of Mormon quotes and quotes by General Authorities do represent offical church position. So what am I to deduce from those who deny what is clearly spelled out in the Book of Mormon? I do not judge Durangout or any other persons temple worthiness but I do call into question your position and Durangout's. How to you reconcile the clear discrepency. I can only assume you don't believe in the Book of Mormon, unless you can convince me otherwise. The warning about secret societies is quite plain and clear for us to read. So how do you explain it away? Do you pick and chose what parts to beleive or what?
Thomas wrote:: durangout, how can you call in to question the existence of secret combinations and call yourself LDS. Have you been reading other scriptures or what? Please look at the link below. I got it off the thread Dr Jones started about praying for LDS to awaken to our awful situation. If you can read this and come back to me, I would really like to hear how you can justify your position and still be LDS.
Thus, by your lights, Thomas, durangout is not worthy to enter the temple. The only temple recommend question that comes even close to what you have in mind is #6, which refers to having an affiliation with any group/person. . . . There is no mention of "secret combinations" or of Gadianton Robbers, or of having read "None Dare," or any thing of the sort.
You take an egregious liberty by suggesting that durangout is not worthy of calling himself a Latter-day Saint. He has every right to take offense and to demand an apology.
At the end of your linked video, there appears--in tiny type--this statement: THE VIEWS REPRESENTED IN THIS PRESENTATION SHOULD IN NO WAY BE CONSTRUED AS THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF, NOR ENDORSEMENT BY, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.
: I am sure the disclaimer refers to the quotes by JFK, Patrick Henry and other non-LDS figures. I am pretty confident in the fact that the Book of Mormon quotes and quotes by General Authorities do represent offical church position.
Read the disclaimer again: THE VIEWS REPRESENTED IN THIS PRESENTATION. . . . You pulled a video from who-knows-where and represented it as being official LDS doctrine. It is no such thing.
: So what am I to deduce from those who deny what is clearly spelled out in the Book of Mormon?
Some things are not clearly spelled out in the Book of Mormon; they are open to interpretation. Even BYU religion professors disagree about the meaning of some passages.
: I do not judge Durangout or any other persons temple worthiness but I do call into question your position and Durangout's.
Ah, but you did question durangout's temple worthiness by stating he was not worthy to call himself a Latter-day Saint; and I called you on it.
: How to you reconcile the clear discrepency.
You endeavor to use the Book of Mormon to justify your extreme/radical conspiratorial positions--positions that are not held by the leadership of the Church. Have you heard any talks by General Authorities endorsing your 9/11 conspiracy theory?
: I can only assume you don't believe in the Book of Mormon, unless you can convince me otherwise.
Your roster of false assumptions continues to grow.
: The warning about secret societies is quite plain and clear for us to read.
In what "secret society" did the 9/11 hijackers--together with their enablers--hold membership?
BlueMoon5 wrote:In what "secret society" did the 9/11 hijackers--together with their enablers--hold membership?
The handlers of the "hijackers" certainly do belong to something secret. The hijackers themselves were most likely patsy terrorists who thought they were carrying out jihad, or they were agents who were duped into dying on what they thought was an op. You did not need this explained to you, though. I mean, you know all about us conspiracy theorists.
I wonder, what do you think the modern day Gadianton Robbers are? Italian mafia perhaps?
AANNND... how's your reading of None Dare Call it Conspiracy going?
Come on Blue, I'm sure you know that anyone posting a video on youtube doesn't have the authority to speak for the church. Evidently you think, you do have the authority based on your statement that the church doesn't believe in any 9/11 conspiracies. So I assume you must be the prophet in disguise, as he would be the only one with that authority.
You once again avoid the issue by evading a direct question and turning it into a judgemental statement.
So I know it is not your style to answers such a direct question but I will ask it once again. How do you reconcile such a clearly stated principle with your stance, that is directly opposed to what the Book of Mormon says. There may be some issues professors disagree on but this is pretty plainly worded and has been stated quite clearly by prophets and other GAs. Remember the question was about secret soceities ruling the world, not 9/11. This is another one of your evasive tactics.
So about a direct answer to direct question for once. How can you say you don't believe in secret societies ruling the world and still beleive in the Book of Mormon and prophets.
What an uncanny resemblance!
