"A piss-poor excuse for a mormon"

[Nancaptain of 1,000]

It is pretty clear to me that they want anyone but a mormon.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

I think the term "piss poor Mormon" applies to the very judgmental Mormons among us!

I'll take my chances with the Priesthood holder, he who can enter the Holy Temple, he who has the "best" chance of being our Hezekiah, of conferring with our Prophet! Heck, if I'm wrong, if I lose, and someone else is elected, what have I lost? I'm prepared for whatever happens!

Bob

[ktgcaptain of 100]

“The Lord holds us accountable if we are not wise and are deceived...And so four great civic standards for the faithful Saints are, first, the Constitution ordained by God through wise men; second, the scriptures, particularly the Book of Mormon; third, the inspired counsel of the prophets, especially the living president, and fourth, the guidance of the Holy Spirit.” – Ezra Taft Benson, Civic Standards for the Faithful Saints

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

I think "A Poor Second Choice" would have been a more appropriate title for this thread. I remember back when Jan Adele was trying to get action from the Church Communications Dept. to get "LDS" removed from the name of the forum. The current title is an embarassment to the thread and the forum.

It should be inceasingly known by now among LDS voters that Mitt Romney doesn't understand the US Constitution, doesn't understand his responsibility to it, and/or doesn't have the integrity to be guided by it. But I'm afraid that that can be said of most LDS voters in the United States.

[Fairmindedcaptain of 1,000]

These days I'd say being "a good businessman" is a perfect reason NOT to support someone, since in today's business it's almost impossible to succeed without incredible amounts of corruption and conflict of interest.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

I think "A Poor Second Choice" would have been a more appropriate title for this thread. I remember back when Jan Adele was trying to get action from the Church Communications Dept. to get "LDS" removed from the name of the forum. The current title is an embarassment to the thread and the forum.

It should be inceasingly known by now among LDS voters that Mitt Romney doesn't understand the US Constitution, doesn't understand his responsibility to it, and/or doesn't have the integrity to be guided by it. But I'm afraid that that can be said of most LDS voters in the United States.

I certainly do agree lundbaek. If I put a title like that, I would be in "time out" again.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

"because I think he is an amazing business man"

^ This, is a "piss-poor excuse" for voting someone into office. How about how serious he takes his oath of office?

Its my reason, and I'm sticking to it!

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

These days I'd say being "a good businessman" is a perfect reason NOT to support someone, since in today's business it's almost impossible to succeed without incredible amounts of corruption and conflict of interest.

Ron Paul got an education and set up his own practice. I would call that being a good business man too.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

“The Lord holds us accountable if we are not wise and are deceived...And so four great civic standards for the faithful Saints are, first, the Constitution ordained by God through wise men; second, the scriptures, particularly the Book of Mormon; third, the inspired counsel of the prophets, especially the living president, and fourth, the guidance of the Holy Spirit.” – Ezra Taft Benson, Civic Standards for the Faithful Saints

Thanks for the quote ktg. And thanks for not attacking me. You're the best!

[JasonI am a nobody!]

These days I'd say being "a good businessman" is a perfect reason NOT to support someone, since in today's business it's almost impossible to succeed without incredible amounts of corruption and conflict of interest.

Ron Paul got an education and set up his own practice. I would call that being a good business man too.

He certainly wouldn't be making millions a year delivering babies....so he's an even better businessman than you suggest....with multiple shells (corporations, partnerships, foundations, trusts, etc) to hide his nuts under....

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

These days I'd say being "a good businessman" is a perfect reason NOT to support someone, since in today's business it's almost impossible to succeed without incredible amounts of corruption and conflict of interest.

Ron Paul got an education and set up his own practice. I would call that being a good business man too.

He certainly wouldn't be making millions a year delivering babies....so he's an even better businessman than you suggest....with multiple shells (corporations, partnerships, foundations, trusts, etc) to hide his nuts under....

That little squirrel! Thanks for that Jason! Now you are the BEST!!

[Rock Watermancaptain of 10]

it's an actual fact that Ron Paul's only purpose for staying in the race is he wants to a speaking spot at the convention!

An actual fact, huh Bob? Where did you hear Ron Paul say that?

[Waldencaptain of 100]

I'm voting for Mitt simply because he holds the Holy Priesthood, "If" that fact requires him to be a-- Mormon then so be it--- I'm voting for Mitt specifically because I'm looking for our version of Hezekiah, the politically leader that lead ancient Israel, who entered the Holy Temple to pray for guidance, (which obviously meant he held the Holy Priesthood)! Isaiah, the Holy Prophet at the time, then relayed the Lord's will to Hezekiah! That's the specific combination I'm looking for.

He won't do that. He will go running to the elite for instructions NOT the Lord, he's already proven that. And I'm guessing that this scripture no longer applies?

Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?

35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson—

36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.

37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.

38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.

I will go so far as to say he no longer has possession of the priesthood based on this alone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY6UTnS6Z-A

Mitt Romney is not a "Mormon" anymore, he is now a "Gadianton". And a friend of the Mammon of unrighteousness.

Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

This discussion reminds me that we are sent to this planet to, among other things, be tested. Certain failures of many LDS people are demonstrated in this whole Ron Paul - Mitt Romney flap. Most Mormons have not learned of their sacred duty to the US Constitution and its preservation. They have not adequately studied the Constitution as they/we have been commanded to do.

[Liberty Ghostcaptain of 10]

I think that Mitt's positions are consistent with most mainstream Republican thought - he is accepting of and generally in favor of limited socialism. His health care bill which he introduced as Governor does not increase liberty for people but increases government control and authority. I believe that he also supports Social Security and Medicare but might cushion that with something like "they need some changes to make them even better.." Unless and until we elect people who wish to return this country to the principles of liberty, we are doomed as a nation.

With all of Mitt's business experience, I haven't heard one word from him about dismantling the Fed or returning to a Constitutional currency. This indicates to me that he plans on business as usual, which is to say, to continue Financial Repression and hope that the Fed can continue to kick the can down the road past his anticipated term. Business as usual in this country is crony capitalism, which masquerades as capitalism in the same way that the Gadiantons masquerade as honest government.

We are at a time and place in history where we cannot afford to assume that someone who's a "good guy" or a "priesthood holder" will be good for the country. Most Republicans thought that George W. Bush was a "good guy" and where did that take us? Would you really elect Harry Reid simply because he holds the priesthood? What we need is inspired leadership. Inspiration about the processes of government doesn't come because you are a "good guy" or even because you are temple worthy, it comes after you "study it out in your mind" prayerfully. Someone who has followed that edict is unlikely to be wishy washy about abortion, socialism or economic policy, but will more likely be in tune with the principles of the Constitution, a document that many prophets have declared to be inspired of God.

I do not think that Mitts politics make him a poor excuse for a Mormon. I suspect he was a fine Stake President and Bishop, however, that does not mean that he reads, studies and interprets the Constitution as he does the scriptures. We get into trouble when we assume that membership in the Church automatically means that people have a certain mindset. That is one of the reason there are so many frauds committed within the Church, people assume that "no Stake President would ever behave in a way that would put himself first", but the facts suggest otherwise.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

Romney held his ground in Illinois!

By Tom Curry, msnbc.com National Affairs Writer

"In Tuesday’s Illinois primary, Mitt Romney hit a new high in exit polling of voters in this year’s competitive primaries and caucuses: winning 71 percent of voters who see defeating President Barack Obama as the thing they most want from their party’s candidate this November. And in another showing of strength for Romney in Tuesday’s exit poll, nearly three out of five voters saw him as the candidate most likely to defeat the incumbent Democratic president."


Shall we face it? Ron Paul didn't make it, again. I am not going to lament and start name calling. You talk about understanding the Constitution and yet you act like this? Cursing, calling him a coward, a terrible excuse for a Mormon? The pot calling the kettle black? You should and will be ashamed of yourselves.
Its time to get off your pedastals and get behind booting Obama out of office. Its a start. All your talk and donated money has done nothing. Work now on something thats productive.

[ktgcaptain of 100]

This discussion reminds me that we are sent to this planet to, among other things, be tested. Certain failures of many LDS people are demonstrated in this whole Ron Paul - Mitt Romney flap. Most Mormons have not learned of their sacred duty to the US Constitution and its preservation. They have not adequately studied the Constitution as they/we have been commanded to do.

I find it, for a lack of a better word, fascinating that even when shown that we have been commanded as you stated, the vast majority of LDS don't care.

3 Nephi 6:18 Now they did not sin ignorantly, for they knew the will of God concerning them, for it had been taught unto them; therefore they did willfully rebel against God.

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

This further reminds me of the Arizona state legislator who a few years ago suggested to an Area Seventy that the Church stop reading that bi-annual letter urging members to get out and vote, lest they do so in ignorance and make things worse.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

This discussion reminds me that we are sent to this planet to, among other things, be tested. Certain failures of many LDS people are demonstrated in this whole Ron Paul - Mitt Romney flap. Most Mormons have not learned of their sacred duty to the US Constitution and its preservation. They have not adequately studied the Constitution as they/we have been commanded to do.

I find it, for a lack of a better word, fascinating that even when shown that we have been commanded as you stated, the vast majority of LDS don't care.

3 Nephi 6:18 Now they did not sin ignorantly, for they knew the will of God concerning them, for it had been taught unto them; therefore they did willfully rebel against God.

ktg, I don't feel like I'm sinning. I want better for my Country. I don't intrepret it that way. I will admit I need more study concerning the constitution. I pray for all of us in this matter. Very emotional Presidential race. God Bless America!

[ktgcaptain of 100]

ktg, I don't feel like I'm sinning. I want better for my Country. I don't intrepret it that way. I will admit I need more study concerning the constitution. I pray for all of us in this matter. Very emotional Presidential race. God Bless America!

Alma 18:5 ...Notwithstanding they believed in a Great Spirit, they supposed that whatsoever they did was right...

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

ktg, I don't feel like I'm sinning. I want better for my Country. I don't intrepret it that way. I will admit I need more study concerning the constitution. I pray for all of us in this matter. Very emotional Presidential race. God Bless America!

Alma 18:5 ...Notwithstanding they believed in a Great Spirit, they supposed that whatsoever they did was right...

Another reason for repeated reading of the scriptures is that many of the prophecies and doctrinal passages in the scriptures have multiple meanings. The Savior affirmed that fact when he told his disciples that the reason he taught the multitude in parables was that this permitted him to teach them “the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 13:11) while not revealing those mysteries to the multitude. His parables had multiple meanings or applications according to the spiritual maturity of the listener.
By Elder Dallin H. Oaks

[PunaGabecaptain of 100]

Our country is being run by these kinda people and sorry to say it but Romney is one of them!! ETHER 8 18 And it came to pass that they formed a secret acombination, even as they of old; which combination is most abominable and wicked above all, in the sight of God;

19 For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will that man should shed blood, but in all things hath forbidden it, from the beginning of man.

20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had aamong all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.

21 And they have caused the adestruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.

22 And whatsoever anation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the bblood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for cvengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get apower and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of bdestruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this asecret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the afreedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who bbeguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath chardened the hearts of men that they have dmurdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have ano power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be bpersuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all crighteousness and be saved.

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

As per the original post, the blog was an enjoyable thought-provoking read.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

Another topic heading that I must ignore!

[reesecaptain of 1,000]

For those offended by the title of the article from the original post on this thread, here is Rock's apology. I think. Or at least a more palatable article for some, I have not read it all yet.

http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2012/ ... -land.html

...Well, first off, don't blame me for the title. Those were my mother's words, not mine. (Although I must admit my own wife counseled against my use of them.)

But this reader has a good point. I think this topic deserves to stand alone so that others can link to it. Indeed, when I write future posts regarding our political responsibilities as latter-day Saints, I think it would be helpful to point to an exegesis on the law of the land that was not buried inside another piece that has only a limited shelf life.

So with that in mind, I've decided to rework the pertinent parts of that last essay into this new one, so that we have a kind of standalone explanation of what it really means to follow "the law of the land."....