Orrin Hatch's millions pay off at my Caucus

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Speak for yourself Thomas, I've studied the Constitution for more years than you've got in mortality.

Bob, then how can you, in good judgment, vote for someone like Mitt Romney???

Brother Romney was working with the constitution of Massachusetts, not just the constitution of the United States, it's a states right issue Flagg. Fact is Mitt vetoed many bill, over 200, and his vetoes were over ridden by the Mass legislature and upheld by the liberal courts . But you guys never report on that do you Flagg?

Yes Bob - we intentionally withhold information like this. Bob, the Constitution of Massachussetts is FAR different than the Constitution of the United States - why does a young pup like me have to point this out to someone who has supposedly studied it longer than I've been alive???

Golly gee wilikers, I wonder why?

I wonder why Romney thinks he would have to consult his Attorneys before making a declaration of war on another country if he were president?

"IF" Mitt Romney were not running I would be supporting Rick Santorum not Ron Paul

Bob, Rick is another wolf in sheep's clothing - man, how can you and a few others on the board not see through people like Rick, Newt and Mitt??? Ever hear of the phrase 'actions speak louder than words'??????

and my reasons are very obvious, just count the delegates Paul has sewed up! I have high hopes for the Priesthood holder, none for the "plant" holder!

Joseph Smith himself once ran for president Bob, but had zero chance of getting elected - would you have voted for the guy who wasn't the potted plant anyway?

Old age and wisdom trumps youth and enthusiasm every time! Get used to it young pups!

Speaking of enthusiasm - why do you think we are so excited and enthusiastic about Ron Paul Bob? You know - I just don't see the same with Mitt's supporters - wonder why?

[ktgcaptain of 100]

Speak for yourself Thomas, I've studied the Constitution for more years than you've got in mortality.

Bob, then how can you, in good judgment, vote for someone like Mitt Romney???

Brother Romney was working with the constitution of Massachusetts, not just the constitution of the United States, it's a states right issue Flagg. Fact is Mitt vetoed many bill, over 200, and his vetoes were over ridden by the Mass legislature and upheld by the liberal courts . But you guys never report on that do you Flagg?

Golly gee wilikers, I wonder why?

"IF" Mitt Romney were not running I would be supporting Rick Santorum not Ron Paul, and my reasons are very obvious, just count the delegates Paul has sewed up! I have high hopes for the Priesthood holder, none for the "plant" holder!

Old age and wisdom trumps youth and enthusiasm every time! Get used to it young pups!

Bob

I never bring up Romney's record in Mass as an argument against him because I believe it was a states rights issue. However, Bob, do you think TARP and NDAA are constitutional? Do you believe it it was better for Saul to sacrifice or obey?

What better test could the Lord have given the saints in the US than to have a respected church member, who's words say he'll trample on the constitution, running for President against a man who will uphold the constitution and who the media says can't win. A dozen prophets have told us to support the candidate who will uphold the constitution. Hmmm... do what we think is best (sacrifice) or obey?

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

I think those of us who are educated about Senator Hatch's voting record and his unconstitutional moves should let our voices be heard to the delegates who are representing our precincts. Let's pay some visits to our delegates armed with information and facts. After all they should be representing us and listening to what we have to say. Perhaps if we nicely and politely let them know where we are coming from we can get them to do some research on their own.
We don't have much time. The state convention is on April 21.

I once wrote to Senator Hatch about the illegal, criminal and unconstitutional 'Federal Reserve' and whether or not he was going to support Ron Paul's 'audit the Fed' bill and got a reply (form letter) stating that in his opinion, they are a legitimate, constitutional entity doing the work and will of the people in a sound and balanced fashion and when I wrote to him about the truth about 9/11 and whether or not he would take a stand to support a new investigation, he wrote back saying that he supports the 9/11 Commission report 100% and sees no further investigation necessary. This was all I needed to know that Hatch needs to be outta there!

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

I never bring up Romney's record in Mass as an argument against him because I believe it was a states rights issue. However, Bob, do you think TARP and NDAA are constitutional? Do you believe it it was better for Saul to sacrifice or obey?

What better test could the Lord have given the saints in the US than to have a respected church member, who's words say he'll trample on the constitution, running for President against a man who will uphold the constitution and who the media says can't win. A dozen prophets have told us to support the candidate who will uphold the constitution. Hmmm... do what we think is best (sacrifice) or obey?

ktg, none of that matters to Bob - Mitt holds the priesthood - that's all that matters. Harry Reid holds the priesthood too, but Bob still can't see the point being made.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

I think those of us who are educated about Senator Hatch's voting record and his unconstitutional moves should let our voices be heard to the delegates who are representing our precincts. Let's pay some visits to our delegates armed with information and facts. After all they should be representing us and listening to what we have to say. Perhaps if we nicely and politely let them know where we are coming from we can get them to do some research on their own.
We don't have much time. The state convention is on April 21.

Good idea.

[friendsofthecaptain of 100]

I have to admit that I don’t get too worked up about the elections or politics since I don’t think there is any chance of turning things around. I believe that we are at the point that Ezra Taft Benson had reference to when he said:

“But on the other hand, if the gentiles on this land reject the word of God and conspire to overthrow liberty and the Constitution, then their doom is fixed, and they ". . . shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant". (Oct. general conference, 1961)

A few reasons why I think America is at the end of her rope.

1- Secret combinations have complete control of our government.

2- The office of the president operates more like a dictatorship (king) every day. The Lord says no kings in America and his word cannot be void.

3- We are nearing the end of the 42 month countdown. (See chapter 6 of A Year With No Rainbow, http://www.ayearwithnorainbow.com)

4- According to Isaiah and Orson Pratt, America is to be “cut off” (like what Ezra Taft Benson said in the quote above) in the spring of the year. (See chapter 14 of A Year With No Rainbow)

5- Daniel and Orson Pratt tell us how America is to meet her fate, she is to be “given to the burning flame”. I believe that this burning will be the result of a nuclear world war.

6- Sorry to say so, but from my perspective, as given in my books and in many of my posts on this forum, the cleansing will come upon us this spring. We hear the drum beats of war almost every day now. I find it hard to believe that Iran will back down or that Israel will delay and attack much longer. Many expect that when this happens it will result in WWIII, I expect that they are correct.

[karen2cruisecaptain of 100]

I was concerned when I was seeing so much attention paid to getting people to the caucus like I've never seen before. The "money" has found out that this is where the decisions are made, and that those that know there stuff will get overwhelmed by the "lukewarms" who have all of these nostalgic feelings towards Hatch, like the quid pro quos of the modern Senate, and don't really want to see political reform.

I don't feel that Hatch will get away with 60%. I think he's going to a primary with Mr. Liljenquist or Mr. Herrod.

I respectfully disagree. Across the state the Hatch lackey's were voted in as delegates. Anyone who said they would not vote for Hatch was not elected. I would love to have a primary to vote Hatch out but it won't happen. The former GOP party chair of Utah is Hatch's Campaign Chair...and Utah has a very strong good ole boy network. Our family has tried hard to change/get reform from within the party with little success and a lot of heartache. The most we can do now is educate people one person at a time to what is going on around us.

We would seriously consider registering as independent but then we wouldnt even get to vote in a primary.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Hey Flagg, I see a whole lot more people excited about Romney than I do Paul! Perhaps Flagg, we're looking at different polls?? I believe the fact that Mitt hasn't been able to close the deal (yet) speaks to the strength of the (two) front runners, and specifically to the weakness of Gingrich and Paul. And Flagg, I don't think Paul has enough support to close the deal, really Flagg, be honest now "remember this is for posterity!"

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I simply don't care one whit about who you vote for Flagg, I only care about who I vote for! I wouldn't run as a delegate, no one supporting the other two guys had enough support! We wise, experienced old timers ruled the day! You know why flagg?? It's simple Flagg, your younger supposedly enthusiastic Paul voters didn't show up! Go figure!

There were some anti Hatch people there-- a few! "I" walked out in protest and because it was past my bedtime--

Bob

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

Hey Flagg, I see a whole lot more people excited about Romney than I do Paul! Perhaps Flagg, we're looking at different polls?? I believe the fact that Mitt hasn't been able to close the deal (yet) speaks to the strength of the (two) front runners, and specifically to the weakness of Gingrich and Paul. And Flagg, I don't think Paul has enough support to close the deal, really Flagg, be honest now "remember this is for posterity!"

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I simply don't care one whit about who you vote for Flagg, I only care about who I vote for! I wouldn't run as a delegate, no one supporting the other two guys had enough support! We wise, experienced old timers ruled the day! You know why flagg?? It's simple Flagg, your younger supposedly enthusiastic Paul voters didn't show up! Go figure!

There were some anti Hatch people there-- a few! "I" walked out in protest and because it was past my bedtime--

Bob

The reason Hatch did well has more to do with even the very elect being deceived, unless you call giving the government power to kill and arrest citizens, without trial, wisdom, which evidently you do. I guess wisdom is paying attention to the talk and ignoring the actions. Style over substance.

How long before they come for your children Bob and mine.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Bob's man is winning the popularity contest, therefore he MUST be the correct choice! At least that is the implication from bob's post.

Older, wiser - b.s. there is no fool like an old fool. He will never discuss principles because he always loses the argument, and he knows it. Instead he falls back on Hezekiah and the priesthood holder. Doesn;t matter to him that this priesthood holder supports indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without a trial. Doesn't matter to him that his priesthood holder has not the least understanding of the Constitution nor the least inclination to follow it. All irreleant, because Bob, in his aged wisdom has determined that we need a Hezekiah, and his priesthood holder is the one to fill the order! And of course his guy is winning the popularity contest, so he thumps his chest due to his candidates popularity...yes sir that sounds like wisdom, the wisdom of the great and spacious building talking.

Bob's "greatest generation has done more to destroy this nation than about any other, or I should say has done less to preserve the constitutional safeguards to our freedom. Might as well stay consistent though, Bob. I sure am glad that at least some of the older generation still fights for the right or at least is repenting for the mess they have led us to. Older, wiser, Bob knows better though. He is ready to pass thru the veil any time, and doesn't give a tinker's damn what he leaves his children and grandchildren.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Lol, OI instead of talking a mean streak "just" on this site, I suggest you get your butt (and checkbook) out there and really make a real difference! But you won't, to easy to sit in front of your puter and pontificate about supporting a loser, complaining about wise old men, thumping your chest demonstrating your lack of understanding of political matters, happy being just a pain in the arse!

Priesthood holder, possibility of another Hezekiah, possibility of a president who'll confer with our Prophet? For my childrens sake, I simply cannot pass up the chance to, at last, get all those blessings. All others running are can't-adates, they have no chance of being the president I wish to lead my country and protect my children Only one man running does, Mitt!

The potted plant has wilted OI, he needs $thousands more, why have you deserted him, don't hold back, he really needs you now, something more than talk OI, he needs your money!---

Bob

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

Lol, OI instead of talking a mean streak "just" on this site, I suggest you get your butt (and checkbook) out there and really make a real difference! But you won't, to easy to sit in front of your puter and pontificate about supporting a loser, complaining about wise old men, thumping your chest demonstrating your lack of understanding of political matters, happy being just a pain in the arse!

Priesthood holder, possibility of another Hezekiah, possibility of a president who'll confer with our Prophet? For my childrens sake, I simply cannot pass up the chance to, at last, get all those blessings. All others running are can't-adates, they have no chance of being the president I wish to lead my country and protect my children Only one man running does, Mitt!

The potted plant has wilted OI, he needs $thousands more, why have you deserted him, don't hold back, he really needs you now, something more than talk OI, he needs your money!---

Bob

You have a chance to vote for a priesthood holder in the senate race. Instead you support someone who does not honor their priesthood and call that wisdom.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Wisdom Thomas, is not listening to those willing to waste their vote on the obvious loser!

Bob

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Mitt squeaks by in Puerto Rico with over 80 percent of the Latino vote. Ron Paul is a solid forth with one (1) percent of the vote. Now, I wonder, just who is it that's obviously not supporting their man???

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/18/politics/ ... index.html

Bob

[Fairmindedcaptain of 1,000]

Wisdom Thomas, is not listening to those willing to waste their vote on the obvious loser!

Bob

Sorry, I just had to quote this for hilarity. It should be in the Humor thread.

[larsenbcaptain of 1,000]

I"ve been going to caucus meetings in Utah for 12 years. We had about 110 in attendance this time (about 12 when I first attended); most of whom wanted to hurry things up so they could go watch some ball game (actually expressed). They limited State Delegate nominees to ONE MINUTE each to tell us what they believed and why they wanted to be a delegate. And in that one minute, we learned that out of some 11-12 nominees, about 7-8 expressed some idea that they were pro Hatch.

None of the obviously pro-Constitution people were elected to the three slots.

ONE MINUTE to tell where you stand????!!!! How utterly ridiculous!

Reading B. H. Roberts autobiography, you learn that people USED to have 3-4 hour debates that may have gone on for 3-4 days, both on controversial religious topics as well as political topics. Now, we can barely stand 2 1/2 hours of getting together with our neighbors to discuss political issues; allowing only 11 MINUTES of that 2 1/2 hours for nominees to tell us what they think is politically important. This is 11 MINUTES out of 730 days X 24 hours/day X 60 minutes/hour = 1,051,200 minutes.

We're doomed folks. Unfortunately, the Church asks its members to attend their caucuses, and we're flooded with know-nothings, who want to hurry up so they can go home to the TV or various ball games. People who don't have a clue about the anti-Constitutional antics of the likes of Orrin Hatch.

[larsenbcaptain of 1,000]

I attended an Orrin Hatch Town Hall meeting in Bountiful on Tuesday, 13th March (got there ~30 minutes late from the dentist's chair). Some good questions.

One lady asked Hatch what he would do about the excesses of the Department of Education. Hatch stated he never voted for the Department of Education, but he did vote for No Child Left Behind. The reason he gave for the latter vote was because he said if that Act did not pass, Bush would have been a one-term President. Of course, for me, that would have been one of several excellent reasons NOT to vote for the Act.

I highly suspect this isn't the first time Hatch's vote was based on partisan politics coupled with ignoring principle.

Hatch said he had NOT voted for the Dept. of Education at least twice. I was skeptical, but Hatch is also very convincing and smooth, so he threw me into doubt about that claim, and nobody else disputed it.

Oh, and BTW, Orrin lied. Checking two separate voting record sites, he DID vote for the establishment of the Department of Education in 1979. Either he said he didn't vote for it to curry favor from his audience, or he is losing it. Either way, strong reason for not voting for him.

When questioned about his vote for NDAA, he said that the indefinite detention clause of the Act did NOT do away with habeas corpus. He said this at least twice, as well. Can anyone here confirm that? Haven't had time to research it thoroughly.

Hatch is obviously pro War, and certainly pro war-on-terra; and obviously clueless about any evidence disputing the official story of 9/11.

Incidentally, I handed him an envelope with two of Dr. Jones' papers on 9/11 WTC issues. He accepted it graciously. I will be curious to see if he ever replies to me about that.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Just out of curiosity, what has Mike Lee done about Steve's papers?

Bob

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Hey Flagg, I see a whole lot more people excited about Romney than I do Paul! Perhaps Flagg, we're looking at different polls??

No, but maybe perhaps different videos? Show me a Mitt Romney primary victory that compares to this enthusiasm for Ron Bob...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da6irSCvnZY

I believe the fact that Mitt hasn't been able to close the deal (yet) speaks to the strength of the (two) front runners, and specifically to the weakness of Gingrich and Paul. And Flagg, I don't think Paul has enough support to close the deal, really Flagg, be honest now "remember this is for posterity!"

Love the Princess Bride!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I simply don't care one whit about who you vote for Flagg, I only care about who I vote for!

Fine - but how many people are there who are excited enough about their candidate that they have no problem indicating to anyone who they are going to vote for and why?

I wouldn't run as a delegate, no one supporting the other two guys had enough support! We wise, experienced old timers ruled the day! You know why flagg?? It's simple Flagg, your younger supposedly enthusiastic Paul voters didn't show up! Go figure!

No Bob, it's called minimization, marginalization and demonization by the mainstream media - and you've fallen for it as well.

There were some anti Hatch people there-- a few! "I" walked out in protest and because it was past my bedtime--

Atta boy Bobbie!

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

No Bob, it's called minimization, marginalization and demonization by the mainstream media - and you've fallen for it as well.

no Flagg, it's called "no support" just like in real life Paul has no support, but don't worry, I expect you guys to keep tryin-----

There were some anti Hatch people there-- a few! "I" walked out in protest and because it was past my bedtime--

Atta boy Bobbie!

Bobby!

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

President Heber C. Kimball said the following;
"As true as that thing is true, so true it will be that our enemies will have to bow down to us; and we may do the best we can to store up stores; and it is all we can do before they will come bending unto us. And the President of the United States will bow to us and come to consult the authorities of this Church to know what he had best to do for his people. President Heber C Kimball continued;
You don't believe this. Wait and see; and just about the time they think they have got us, the Lord has got them fast. Now mark it, George; you may write every word of it."

Face it, Ron Paul will not be that president Flagg, you have only one option! Rick Santorum will consult with the Pope, Gingrich is out of the mix.

Mitt Romney will be that President!

Bobby

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

No Bob, it's called minimization, marginalization and demonization by the mainstream media - and you've fallen for it as well.

no Flagg, it's called "no support" just like in real life Paul has no support, but don't worry, I expect you guys to keep tryin-----

There were some anti Hatch people there-- a few! "I" walked out in protest and because it was past my bedtime--

Atta boy Bobbie!

Bobby!

Ahhhhh... Bob... don't use neon-green font... it makes your eyes spin.

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

President Heber C. Kimball said the following;
"As true as that thing is true, so true it will be that our enemies will have to bow down to us; and we may do the best we can to store up stores; and it is all we can do before they will come bending unto us. And the President of the United States will bow to us and come to consult the authorities of this Church to know what he had best to do for his people. President Heber C Kimball continued;
You don't believe this. Wait and see; and just about the time they think they have got us, the Lord has got them fast. Now mark it, George; you may write every word of it."

Face it, Ron Paul will not be that president Flagg, you have only one option! Rick Santorum will consult with the Pope, Gingrich is out of the mix.

Mitt Romney will be that President!

Bobby

Bob, no way does the GOP establishment allow Mitt to become president, especially owing to his LDS roots. We're either going to have four more years of Obamanation or they're gonna push Bush (Jeb that is) at a brokered convention - wait and see. In the meantime, I will always vote for Ron Paul (even if I have to write him in in November). It may tickle you to know that this is his last stint as a politician - if I am not mistaken, I believe he plans to retire after this election cycle and won't even return as a Congressman. If so, all I can do is applaude the man for what he's tried to do for the American people over the last 20+ years.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Perhaps Flagg you're having a difficult time understanding President Kimball?? Let me point out the following; What Elder Kimball says makes it very clear there will be such a president; he also talks about being prepared-- In BYU blue to protect your eyes!

President Heber C. Kimball said the following;
"As true as that thing is true, so true it will be that our enemies will have to bow down to us; and we may do the best we can to store up stores; and it is all we can do before they will come bending unto us. And the President of the United States will bow to us and come to consult the authorities of this Church to know what he had best to do for his people.

Bobby

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

The Lord will take care of fulfilling his prophecies, it is our duty to obey as we have been commanded.

I've seen more harm than good come from people who took it upon themselves to force their interpretation of prophecy, and to try to follow their own wisdom for the purpose of fulfilling the prophecy. For instance, many evangelical Christians support the wars in the Middle East because they see them as necessary to bring about the second coming. They don;t take a second thought to the fact that they are violating the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" instead they get caught up in their vision that THEY are bringing to pass prophecy and therefore they fill they can do no wrong because they have such good motives! The ends justify the means!

By the same token, we have been commanded to support good and wise men who uphold the constitution. Period. Dodging obedience for the purpose of fulfilling prophecy is textbook of shooting beyond the mark.

I would exhort everyone to do their best to obey the counsel and commandments that we have been given, and leave prophecy fulfillment in the hands of He who is in charge.

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Perhaps Flagg you're having a difficult time understanding President Kimball?? Let me point out the following; What Elder Kimball says makes it very clear there will be such a president; he also talks about being prepared-- In BYU blue to protect your eyes!

President Heber C. Kimball said the following;
"As true as that thing is true, so true it will be that our enemies will have to bow down to us; and we may do the best we can to store up stores; and it is all we can do before they will come bending unto us. And the President of the United States will bow to us and come to consult the authorities of this Church to know what he had best to do for his people.

Bobby

Bob, this is hardly prophecy confirming that we will see a president of the U.S. who holds the priesthood. Here's something for you to contemplate...

Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil. (D&C 98:10)

Also...

http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/jh_ ... er_17.html

Seek Candidates Who Will Uphold Constitution

Actually, the widespread practice of government by exchange of favors and the related problem of government by ambition (that is, lending one's support to programs that will further one's ambitions regardless of whether or not the programs are sound) are really related to the question of the type of people who are elected to public office. This question leads to another Latter-day Saint responsibility which is to obtain and uphold honest, wise, and good men in political office. More specific information on how to judge the qualifications of candidates for public office is found in the following statement by President McKay.

Above all else, strive to support good and conscientious candidates of either party who are aware of the great dangers inherent in Communism, and who are truly dedicated to the Constitution in the tradition of our Founding Fathers. They should also pledge their sincere fealty to our way of liberty—a liberty which aims at the preservation of both personal and property rights. Study the issues, analyze the candidates on these grounds, and then exercise your franchise as free men and women.

As President McKay's comment emphasizes, it is not sufficient merely to choose honest and good men for public office. A patient who dies after being given a wrong prescription is not less dead because the doctor was an honest and good man. It should be noted that in addition to having a good character, a candidate must have sound political understanding and devotion in the following areas specifically mentioned by President McKay:

1. He must be aware of the great dangers inherent in Communism.

2. He must be truly dedicated to the Constitution in the tradition of our Founding Fathers. It is not possible to believe in both the modern popular political philosophy [p. 196] and the tradition of the Founding Fathers because they are contradictory. As is repeatedly pointed out in this work, the modern popular beliefs concerning the Constitution consist of the unsound philosophy of men masquerading behind constitutional sounding words and phrases.

3. He must pledge his sincere fealty to the American way of liberty which aims at the preservation of both personal and property rights. This means he must oppose socialism with its violation of sacred property rights through taking from some to give to others.

Who meets those criteria best Bob? Hint: it ain't Romney.

[sbsioncaptain of 1,000]

congress, "the best NWO money can buy"

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

OI and Flagg seems to have something against quoting prophecy! So I'll explain, what President Kimball said is his opinion, what he said is also my opinion! Flagg suggests I'm ignoring his favorite scripture in favor of President Kimball's prophetic statement. In my opinion I'm understanding both statements, not ignoring one in favor of the other.

OI also accuses me of being beyond the mark. I'll agree to being well beyond "HIS" mark! Do I think I know everything? an emphatic NO! I simply know more than some and less than than others. For those in the "some" category! I suggest study, pondering and prayer, I testify, it really works!

Bobby

[sbsioncaptain of 1,000]

Well, heck I'll tell you what does come with old age, the wisdom of allowing others their own opinion, even us old folk! I'll just bet you guys arrived at the caucus armed with your check books to counter Hatch's millions right? Naw, I'll bet I'd lose that bet . I don't know what your all complaining about, you'll still have two choices to vote, Hatch or your favorite write in---- oh darn, I forgot, Ron Paul doesn't live in Utah-----
Bob

young man, what RU talking about? You're suppoting Hatch?

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

No old man, I voted, lost, and now that's all out of my control. When it comes down to November however, if Hatch is there, I won't be voting for the democrat and, I won't waste my vote on the potted plant wilting there in the corner with no support! We rubs need to hold both houses, so President Romney can get his agenda through. If Hatch is the rubs choice then I'll vote for him. I voted against Bennett, but had he won the caucus, I would have voted for him in the general.

I have yet to see the politician who has voted my wishes 100 percent of the time, Hatch and Bennett included!

It's my vote, and I'll cast it as "I" see best!
Bob