I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the "sea" represents people. Take a look at the following verses"NoGreaterLove wrote:He had already come when JS said this, to a young man in a grove. Then later to the Kirkland temple. He comes suddenly to his temple in NJ, to AOA, to the Mount of Olives, etc.. Yes the trumps sound before he comes to the world, but not before he comes to the saints. If you want to be technical, the first trump does prepare the way for his coming to the saints who are ready to receive him, the second trump prepares the way for his coming to the saints in spirit prison who have repented. The trumps DO sound before the time of his coming. They do prepare the way. Which coming? They each are sounded to prepare the way for Christ. The funny thing is, I know you know that so I am not sure why you are saying what you said. His appearance to AOA to the saints in NJ happens before the second trump sounds. Carlos, for a man who knows symbolism, I am surprised you do not see the correlation between the trumps in 88 and Rev. No offense intended, just surprised. I thought out of all the people on this forum, you would see it.Carlos wrote:I like this simple answer of the Lord in response to a simple question re: Rev 8.NoGreaterLove wrote:HF is trying to make this as simple as possible.
DC77:12
Q. What are we to understand by the sounding of the trumpets, mentioned in the 8th chapter of Revelation?
A. ...... the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—(in other words)the preparing of the way BEFORE the time of his coming. [DC88 trumps sound AFTER the time of his coming]
This I can understand.
Let me ask you this. What is the sea and the sand represent in the following passage?
Jeremiah 5:22
22 Fear ye not me? saith the Lord: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it.
Or this one.
Isaiah 51:15
15 But I am the Lord thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The Lord of hosts is his name.
They are in similitude of this.
Exodus 14:21
21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
The sea denotes a place of destruction. The waves would be those who make up that place. The sand represents the bounds set so the waves can not pass a certain location. The waves are always pushing against the sand trying to go beyond the bounds set by it. The sand is also something that hides an object that is buried in it. So although literally the Lord did set the bounds of the sea by the sand of the shore, he also did something spiritually that represented by this symbolism.
That same thing exists in the trumps in Rev., both a spiritual and literal interpretation, both being the same to the Lord because all things are spiritual unto him.
Now apply the same application to the trumps. There is both a spiritual and literal fulfillment of these things.
And as far as taking things only on symbolism. Search the destructions prophesied before the 1/2 of silence in D&C 88 and see if those exact same things did not happen when he was born and when he was crucified. You will see they did, literally.
Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the ajudgment of the great bwhore that sitteth upon many cwaters:
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Isa 17:12 ¶Woe to athe multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
13 The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a arolling thing before the whirlwind.
Jer 51: 41 How is aSheshach taken! and how is the praise of the whole earth surprised! how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations!
42 The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof.
Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
3 And four great abeasts came up from the bsea, diverse one from another.
Psm 65:7 Which astilleth the noise of the seas, the noise of their waves, and the tumult of the people.
You might want to reasses some of your conclusions.