Bill Still???

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Okay...so this deep dive on Ron Paul inspired by Semp seems to be rolling to an end. I'm not a fan of any of the other candidates and don't know much about this Bill Still...so I'm starting deep dive on him fwiw

His full name is William T. Still
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Still
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a
http://www.facebook.com/pages/William-T ... 4048070843

...he's done a couple movies - Money Masters, The Secret of Oz (I own this one - very good), Meggido I (???), No More National Debt! (new)
http://www.fandango.com/williamtstill/f ... hy/p609956
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Money_Masters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCmHTynFKlI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret ... cret_of_Oz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tATR56Qpwcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ZFB4Ul ... F0BD89EF64

...a book called "New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies"
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ce&s=books

...a novel - "Legend of the Holy Lance: A Novel"
http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Holy-Lance ... t_ep_dpt_2

...lots of articles
William T Still: Deism, Atheism and Luciferianism
http://dawkinswatch.wordpress.com/2008/ ... dle-point/

Alex Jones Show - 07-21-08 William Still and Patrick S. J. Carmack
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4380847659

...more on Patrick Carmack

Patrick S. J. Carmack – President: After earning his Juris Doctorate, Pat completed numerous additional courses in psychology and philosophy. A former administrative law Judge at the Oklahoma State Corporation Commission, member of the U.S. Supreme Court Bar, former CEO of an independent petroleum exploration and production company, founder and former Chairman of the International Caspian Horse Society, and President of a non-profit educational foundation, Pat lives with his wife Elisabeth and their five homeschooled children on Eagle Mountain overlooking Colorado Springs. Pat participated in Dr. Mortimer J. Adler’s last several Socratic discussion groups in Maryland and California in 1999 and 2000, respectively, and moderated the first live-audio Socratic groups online (2000 AD) and numerous online groups since, as well as at Great Books evening programs in Seattle. He has been a speaker on educational topics at various conferences in the US. and Europe. He is the recipient of the 2009 International Etienne Society’s Pope John Paul the Great Thomist Humanist Award for his work in education.

http://www.greatbooksacademy.org/about/our-staff/

...bit more on him
http://angelicum.net/great-books-progra ... oderators/

...but for the most part I'm coming up blank on Bill Still....the best summary of his life and activities is his campaign website (obvious bias of course) here -
http://still2012.com/about-bill-still/

...anybody have anything they know about him???

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

I know he doesn't have a chance in Hades of winning.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

I know he doesn't have a chance in Hades of winning.

Your discussion is so intelligent and informative, ( not to mention mature) I feel the need to define what you are saying. ( Just doing my job)

Question: What is Hades?

Answer: Many people believe Hades is hell. Actually, with some, Hades is a euphemism for hell.

Hades and hell are two different words. Hades has not been translated, only transliterated. Hades is found eleven times in the Greek New Testament. Out of the eleven occurrences, Hades is translated "grave" once and "hell" ten times in the King James Version. Hell is from the Greek geenna. Geenna is found twelve times and is consistently translated "hell" in most translations.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

I know he doesn't have a chance in Hades of winning.

Your discussion is so intelligent and informative, ( not to mention mature) I feel the need to define what you are saying. ( Just doing my job)

Question: What is Hades?

Answer: Many people believe Hades is hell. Actually, with some, Hades is a euphemism for hell.

Hades and hell are two different words. Hades has not been translated, only transliterated. Hades is found eleven times in the Greek New Testament. Out of the eleven occurrences, Hades is translated "grave" once and "hell" ten times in the King James Version. Hell is from the Greek geenna. Geenna is found twelve times and is consistently translated "hell" in most translations.

Are you really Bluemoon5 in disguise?

[JasonI am a nobody!]

I know he doesn't have a chance in Hades of winning.

Your discussion is so intelligent and informative, ( not to mention mature) I feel the need to define what you are saying. ( Just doing my job)

Question: What is Hades?

Answer: Many people believe Hades is hell. Actually, with some, Hades is a euphemism for hell.

Hades and hell are two different words. Hades has not been translated, only transliterated. Hades is found eleven times in the Greek New Testament. Out of the eleven occurrences, Hades is translated "grave" once and "hell" ten times in the King James Version. Hell is from the Greek geenna. Geenna is found twelve times and is consistently translated "hell" in most translations.

Are you really Bluemoon5 in disguise?

Bluemoon5 still comes around...

Last visited:
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[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

I know he doesn't have a chance in Hades of winning.

Your discussion is so intelligent and informative, ( not to mention mature) I feel the need to define what you are saying. ( Just doing my job)

Question: What is Hades?

Answer: Many people believe Hades is hell. Actually, with some, Hades is a euphemism for hell.

Hades and hell are two different words. Hades has not been translated, only transliterated. Hades is found eleven times in the Greek New Testament. Out of the eleven occurrences, Hades is translated "grave" once and "hell" ten times in the King James Version. Hell is from the Greek geenna. Geenna is found twelve times and is consistently translated "hell" in most translations.

Are you really Bluemoon5 in disguise?

I'm quite sure thats an insult! Sorry you don't like me. I am not blue moon. I have seen a moon I'd like to send you however!

[durangoutcaptain of 1,000]

I know he doesn't have a chance in Hades of winning.

Your discussion is so intelligent and informative, ( not to mention mature) I feel the need to define what you are saying. ( Just doing my job)

Question: What is Hades?

Answer: Many people believe Hades is hell. Actually, with some, Hades is a euphemism for hell.

Hades and hell are two different words. Hades has not been translated, only transliterated. Hades is found eleven times in the Greek New Testament. Out of the eleven occurrences, Hades is translated "grave" once and "hell" ten times in the King James Version. Hell is from the Greek geenna. Geenna is found twelve times and is consistently translated "hell" in most translations.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

I know he doesn't have a chance in Hades of winning.

That's probably a fairly decent analysis. The question is if the majority is in the great and spacious building....do you play their game in supporting whomever happens to have the greatest shot of dethroning the current king of the great and spacious building....and since its the great and spacious building....all the popular (likely to win) candidates all belong to the same franchise???

If you can't beat them at their game do you give in (compromise) and join their franchise???

[sbsioncaptain of 1,000]

Hades.........."in the heat of it all..."?

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Bill did a terrific expose on the fraud that is the 'Fed' (Money-Masters) and he's done many films exposing some of the uglier truths in our society - I could vote for him as he appears to be sincere and honest in his motives and driven by the pursuit of the truth.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

I know he doesn't have a chance in Hades of winning.

That's probably a fairly decent analysis. The question is if the majority is in the great and spacious building....do you play their game in supporting whomever happens to have the greatest shot of dethroning the current king of the great and spacious building....and since its the great and spacious building....all the popular (likely to win) candidates all belong to the same franchise???

If you can't beat them at their game do you give in (compromise) and join their franchise???

No, I stand for freedom. I think you know the ultimate outcome of our country, unlike some of the wishful thinkers among us. Best to be on record supporting the right cause than pick a winner. But what is better, a wasted vote for Bill Still or a vote for a possible Romney, Paul ticket, based on the longshot Romney would wake up. I know your not sold on Paul but at least he's talking a good game. I don't trust any politicans anymore but I want to be on record for supporting the constitution when my judgement day comes.

[ithinkcaptain of 1,000]

Bill did a terrific expose on the fraud that is the 'Fed' (Money-Masters) and he's done many films exposing some of the uglier truths in our society - I could vote for him as he appears to be sincere and honest in his motives and driven by the pursuit of the truth.

And Bill has answers that even Ron Paul doesn't, and questions that Ron Paul won't answer. Recall his video, the Money Masters? Recall the desk of the congressman who although having appointments set, would never honor them, who would never meet with Bill on camera? Well, that was Ron Paul. Entirely unwilling to answer the questions Bill has to ask because he knows Bill isn't asking because he doesn't know the answers. Bill not only wants to get rid of the fed, he actually wants to replace it with a viable and fair system, unlike Ron Paul.

[ithinkcaptain of 1,000]

But what is better, a wasted vote for Bill Still ... I want to be on record for supporting the constitution when my judgement day comes.

If you're worried about "wasting your vote", then you still aren't out of the box yet. There are only two kinds of voters: the those who have integrity and vote for the best candidate, and those who have none and vote for whomever they think can win. If you want to preserve your integrity, vote the best guy, and if that is Bill Still, then you must vote for him even if yours is the only vote he gets.

I have run for office federally twice and will run again, and I have told people if you are worried about wasting your vote on me, then don't worry any longer, go vote for "them" and rest assured that your vote will then be totally wasted, no doubt about it.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

But what is better, a wasted vote for Bill Still ... I want to be on record for supporting the constitution when my judgement day comes.

If you're worried about "wasting your vote", then you still aren't out of the box yet. There are only two kinds of voters: the those who have integrity and vote for the best candidate, and those who have none and vote for whomever they think can win. If you want to preserve your integrity, vote the best guy, and if that is Bill Still, then you must vote for him even if yours is the only vote he gets.

I have run for office federally twice and will run again, and I have told people if you are worried about wasting your vote on me, then don't worry any longer, go vote for "them" and rest assured that your vote will then be totally wasted, no doubt about it.

I agree with you and I was agreeing with Jason. Maybe that comment was backsliding a little but I think it's more for lack of knowledge than lack of integrity. I don't know enough about Bill Still or Ron Paul. I have seen the Secret of Oz and I liked the movie but that's pretty much all I know. I know a lot more about Ron Paul but what do any of us really know about any canidate. Lying is an art for politicians.

[ithinkcaptain of 1,000]

I agree with you and I was agreeing with Jason. Maybe that comment was backsliding a little but I think it's more for lack of knowledge than lack of integrity. I don't know enough about Bill Still or Ron Paul. I have seen the Secret of Oz and I liked the movie but that's pretty much all I know. I know a lot more about Ron Paul but what do any of us really know about any canidate. Lying is an art for politicians.

Ouch, but true. I'm just a regular guy though, trying to do my civic duty. But I really do think it is about integrity, the integrity to stay on target, stay on the truth, undeviating, at all cost, for as soon as you cave, where do you stop if you can't stop at the start?

[JasonI am a nobody!]

But what is better, a wasted vote for Bill Still ... I want to be on record for supporting the constitution when my judgement day comes.

If you're worried about "wasting your vote", then you still aren't out of the box yet. There are only two kinds of voters: the those who have integrity and vote for the best candidate, and those who have none and vote for whomever they think can win. If you want to preserve your integrity, vote the best guy, and if that is Bill Still, then you must vote for him even if yours is the only vote he gets.

I have run for office federally twice and will run again, and I have told people if you are worried about wasting your vote on me, then don't worry any longer, go vote for "them" and rest assured that your vote will then be totally wasted, no doubt about it.

I agree with you and I was agreeing with Jason. Maybe that comment was backsliding a little but I think it's more for lack of knowledge than lack of integrity. I don't know enough about Bill Still or Ron Paul. I have seen the Secret of Oz and I liked the movie but that's pretty much all I know. I know a lot more about Ron Paul but what do any of us really know about any canidate. Lying is an art for politicians.

Well said! That is what I'm after....more knowledge such that I can make the best choice. I'm coming up pretty dry on Bill Still....again his campaign website has about 4X more information than I can find anywhere else on the web....and that comes with an obvious bias.

He looks like a fighter to me....and I like most of what he says....but I would like to see more connections, affiliations, etc. Who's behind him ($$$)? What's their agenda? etc...

[ithinkcaptain of 1,000]

Well said! That is what I'm after....more knowledge such that I can make the best choice. I'm coming up pretty dry on Bill Still....again his campaign website has about 4X more information than I can find anywhere else on the web....and that comes with an obvious bias.

He looks like a fighter to me....and I like most of what he says....but I would like to see more connections, affiliations, etc. Who's behind him ($$$)? What's their agenda? etc...

I just got off the phone with Bill. He seems like a nice guy. My advice would be to look him up, attend his meetings. He has a job like the rest of us and is meeting on weekends.

If you can't get out to see him, he's in a shared interview here with Alex Jones, William Still, and Patrick S. J. Carmack, probably one of the best interviews you will ever hear, and probably the most important since these guys go right to the heart of the problem on this planet right now.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Well said! That is what I'm after....more knowledge such that I can make the best choice. I'm coming up pretty dry on Bill Still....again his campaign website has about 4X more information than I can find anywhere else on the web....and that comes with an obvious bias.

He looks like a fighter to me....and I like most of what he says....but I would like to see more connections, affiliations, etc. Who's behind him ($$$)? What's their agenda? etc...

I just got off the phone with Bill. He seems like a nice guy. My advice would be to look him up, attend his meetings. He has a job like the rest of us and is meeting on weekends.

If you can't get out to see him, he's in a shared interview here with Alex Jones, William Still, and Patrick S. J. Carmack, probably one of the best interviews you will ever hear, and probably the most important since these guys go right to the heart of the problem on this planet right now.

Thank you very much ithink - great interview!!!

[moonwhimcaptain of 1,000]

[moonwhimcaptain of 1,000]

Thirteen years ago, in a documentary called "The MoneyMasters", we asked the question why is America going broke. It wasn't clear then that we were, but it is today. Now the question is how can we get out of this mess. Foreclosures are everywhere, unemployment is skyrocketing - and this is only the beginning. America's economy is on a long, slippery slope from here on. The bubble ride of debt has come to an end.

What can government do? The sad answer is - under the current monetary system - nothing. It's not going to get better until the root of the problem is understood and addressed. There isn't enough stimulus money in the entire world to get us out of this hole.

Why? Debt. The national debt is just like our consumer debt - it's the interest that's killing us.

Though most people don't realize it the government can't just issue it's own money anymore. It used to be that way. The King could just issue stuff called money. Abraham Lincoln did it to win the Civil War.

No, today, in our crazy money system, the government has to borrow our money into existence and then pay interest on it. That's why they call it the National Debt. All our money is created out of debt. Politicians who focus on reducing the National Debt as an answer probably don't know what the National Debt really is. To reduce the National Debt would be to reduce our money - and there's already too little of that.

No, you have to go deeper. You have to get at the root of this problem or we're never going to fix this. The solution isn't new or radical. America used to do it. Politicians used to fight with big bankers over it. It's all in our history - now sadly - in the distant past.

But why can't we just do it again? Why can't we just issue our own money, debt free? That, my friends, is the answer. Talk about reform! That's the only reform that will make a huge difference to everyone's life - even worldwide.

The solution is the secret that's been hidden from us for just over 100 years - ever since the time when author L. Frank Baum wrote "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz."

If you like this film, please support the makers by purchasing an official DVD, by spreading the word about the movie, by making a donation on their web page, or by other means available to you. Thank you!

More info at: http://www.secretofoz.com

[JasonI am a nobody!]

I know he doesn't have a chance in Hades of winning.

That's probably a fairly decent analysis. The question is if the majority is in the great and spacious building....do you play their game in supporting whomever happens to have the greatest shot of dethroning the current king of the great and spacious building....and since its the great and spacious building....all the popular (likely to win) candidates all belong to the same franchise???

If you can't beat them at their game do you give in (compromise) and join their franchise???

No, I stand for freedom. I think you know the ultimate outcome of our country, unlike some of the wishful thinkers among us. Best to be on record supporting the right cause than pick a winner. But what is better, a wasted vote for Bill Still or a vote for a possible Romney, Paul ticket, based on the longshot Romney would wake up. I know your not sold on Paul but at least he's talking a good game. I don't trust any politicans anymore but I want to be on record for supporting the constitution when my judgement day comes.

Ron Paul talks a good game....but I don't trust him (extensive gadianton ties and funding)....and I don't like his position on morals (example gays in military)....and I think his agenda will destroy the nation just as fast as Obama (albeit from the other side of the spectrum) by allowing the corporations to continue to run over the top of both government and the people (don't see any change with his agenda to that current situation and it appears that he will make it worse rather than better or even the same).

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Ron Paul talks a good game....but I don't trust him (extensive gadianton ties and funding)....and I don't like his position on morals (example gays in military)....and I think his agenda will destroy the nation just as fast as Obama (albeit from the other side of the spectrum) by allowing the corporations to continue to run over the top of both government and the people (don't see any change with his agenda to that current situation and it appears that he will make it worse rather than better or even the same).

Jason, if you think someone like Ron Paul is 'controlled' by anyone (especially the LDG's, big money,etc.), then you have no discernment in knowing who you can trust politically.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Ron Paul talks a good game....but I don't trust him (extensive gadianton ties and funding)....and I don't like his position on morals (example gays in military)....and I think his agenda will destroy the nation just as fast as Obama (albeit from the other side of the spectrum) by allowing the corporations to continue to run over the top of both government and the people (don't see any change with his agenda to that current situation and it appears that he will make it worse rather than better or even the same).

Jason, if you think someone like Ron Paul is 'controlled' by anyone (especially the LDG's, big money,etc.), then you have no discernment in knowing who you can trust politically.

Well to be frank....telling me whether I have discernment or not based on whether I fit into your political paradigm....a paradigm that also accepts the 1st half of the history of the church living an abominable lie in the face of God as well as abominable lying prophets of God....well lets just say I take your comments now with a very heavy dose of salt.

Based on what I have seen thus far....you are historically ignorant....and unwilling to change that. Instead of research and truth you make comments like - if satan himself voted for Ron Paul...I still would. Sorry but I see no efforts on your part to get to the truth on anything but 9/11 (???). And you allow the greatest slack (incompatible options/beliefs - i.e. believing in opposites) based on what appears to be a personal emotional preference. You have yet to answer my question - Who's Ron Paul lying to??? You....or the Peter Thiel(s) and Lewis Lehrman(s) of the world???

Clue me in on Grover Glenn Norquist and his associations/connections with several of Ron Paul's top campaign managers....and then we'll talk about discernment/filter problems...

As a pro gratus I will offer an insightful little tool that I've discovered today -

http://www.muckety.com/Lewis-E-Lehrman/1902.muckety

http://www.muckety.com/Citizens-for-Ame ... 92.muckety

http://www.muckety.com/Grover-D-Norquist/3963.muckety

http://www.muckety.com/Ralph-Reed-Jr/9867.muckety

http://www.muckety.com/Peter-A-Thiel/4788.muckety

...you can double click on connections to expand the circle out and search around...isn't it a small world??? One little ol' foundation like the Hoover Institution can open you up to whole new world of influence and connections....of course it doesn't include all of them - for example Council on Foreign Relations for Norquist or Heritage Foundation and Project for a New American Century for Lehrman....but it does hit Peter Thiel for 2008 Bilderberg Conference....although you won't know he's on the steering committee. It also shows past tense for stuff that is current like Hoover Institution for Peter Thiel.

...but its a nice little tool for cruising around checking out connections (gives you names) that you can then google for further research and clarification. For example on Grover Norquist you could double click on American Spectator to find a connection with George Gilder who is also involved in several endeavors with Lewis Lehrman...or again through American Spectator to Richard Mellon Scaife which then opens up some top tier foundations (Heritage Foundation, Hoover Institution, William J Clinton Foundation, Free Congress Foundation - Paul Weyrich, etc etc etc) ..or back through Norquist to GoProud which then connects you in with Peter Thiel (although its not listed its included in my previous research).

Homocon was a meeting for GOProud members on September 25th, 2010 in New York City. Peter Thiel, co-founder of PayPal and GOProud donor, hosted the event at his home in the city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOProud

List of names you can play with here -
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=18158&start=240#p263280

and foundations/institutes/etc here -
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=18158&start=270#p263281
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=18158&start=270#p263361

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

I am reading till my eyes hurt. Thanks for the great posts Jason. Keep em coming!

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

Jason, Who is Janadele and why do they keep calling me that?
I'm sure its an insult considering the ones who do it.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Jason, Who is Janadele and why do they keep calling me that?
I'm sure its an insult considering the ones who do it.

Australian lady who worked on Mitt's campaign....internet guerrilla marketing by all appearances....anyways she was pretty hardcore in pushing Mitt 24/7 here and finally burned her bridge....I think mostly by creating problems....and then turning around and crying to the mods every time somebody took her bait.

fwiw

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

Thanks, I think I did have that explained to me once. I won't ask again

[SempiternalHarbingercaptain of 1,000]

Thirteen years ago, in a documentary called "The MoneyMasters", we asked the question why is America going broke. It wasn't clear then that we were, but it is today. Now the question is how can we get out of this mess. Foreclosures are everywhere, unemployment is skyrocketing - and this is only the beginning. America's economy is on a long, slippery slope from here on. The bubble ride of debt has come to an end.

What can government do? The sad answer is - under the current monetary system - nothing. It's not going to get better until the root of the problem is understood and addressed. There isn't enough stimulus money in the entire world to get us out of this hole.

Why? Debt. The national debt is just like our consumer debt - it's the interest that's killing us.

Though most people don't realize it the government can't just issue it's own money anymore. It used to be that way. The King could just issue stuff called money. Abraham Lincoln did it to win the Civil War.

No, today, in our crazy money system, the government has to borrow our money into existence and then pay interest on it. That's why they call it the National Debt. All our money is created out of debt. Politicians who focus on reducing the National Debt as an answer probably don't know what the National Debt really is. To reduce the National Debt would be to reduce our money - and there's already too little of that.

No, you have to go deeper. You have to get at the root of this problem or we're never going to fix this. The solution isn't new or radical. America used to do it. Politicians used to fight with big bankers over it. It's all in our history - now sadly - in the distant past.

But why can't we just do it again? Why can't we just issue our own money, debt free? That, my friends, is the answer. Talk about reform! That's the only reform that will make a huge difference to everyone's life - even worldwide.

The solution is the secret that's been hidden from us for just over 100 years - ever since the time when author L. Frank Baum wrote "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz."

If you like this film, please support the makers by purchasing an official DVD, by spreading the word about the movie, by making a donation on their web page, or by other means available to you. Thank you!

More info at: http://www.secretofoz.com

What is this moonwhim?? You have me for a lost of words.... The solution is the secret that's been hidden from us for just over 100 years - ever since the time when author L. Frank Baum wrote "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz."?? Are you sure you fell this way? The Wizard of Oz has no place in Austrian economics. Both Identify different problems and both Identify completely 180 solutions. I have seen you post quite a bit of stuff on Bill and I must say I am pleased to see this. Thank you! I believe Bill's documentaries are the best out there. Both Money Masters on the Secret of Oz. But what I am confused about is why you would push Bill's documentaries when his interpetaion of history are so different from Ron Paul?? And I am confused to why you would jump down my neck for calling Edward Griffen a liar, thief, a fish with a tiny brain with no backbone who has stolen and piggy-backed on the shoulders of giants to get where he is today when you have posted what I have 3 times on the forums.... Bill Sill Response to Griffin after many long years of twisting, degrading and slamming Bill Still's documentaries. Both Ed Griffin and Ron Paul don't ascribe to to Bill history, the core problems or solutions. Bill and Ed were good friends but in recent years he has gone way out of his way to unfairly attack Bill and his character. Why? Because he exposes Ed not directly but indirectly for the fraud he really is. (Money Masters/Secret of Oz) Which you have posted quite a few times. Ed is a punk who has become a filthy millionaire on telling partial truths but in No way the whole truth. Far from it. I am glad Bill finally responded to Ed Griffins attacks. A man can only take so much before he stands up for himself. And Ed thought he knew the kind of man Bill is and mocked and tempted him for years to reply to his nonsense, knowing Bill would never respond to a big fish as himself. But he was wrong. He defames Bill Still good name because they view history so much differently. And because they view history in a completely different light they see the root of the problem in complete opposites as well as solutions.

History, root of the problem, and solutions are all night and day differences. So maybe that's what your trying to figure out. Who interpets history correctly, who identifies the real root of the problem, and who ever has the first two right most likley has the better solution. But I am not convinced Bill has the correct solutions either. I am very curious what your thought are on this. Maybe you are not aware of this. And I don't know if you noticed, I replied to you where you called me a nasty arrogant name-caller in Loveistruth thread, I think it is called Ron Paul wins... I hope you will cut me some slack because the way Bill views history is very simalar to way Mullins does. And both disagree big-time with Ron Paul, Edward Griffin and Austrian school of economics. And so do many others. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Abraham Lincoln to name a few. Though I am glad to see you post Bills Doc, I am confused why when it goes against everything Ron Paul teaches?? You even put Abraham Lincoln in a good light. This is not the Austrian way.

What say ye?

[moonwhimcaptain of 1,000]

What is this moonwhim?? You have me for a lost of words.... The solution is the secret that's been hidden from us for just over 100 years - ever since the time when author L. Frank Baum wrote "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz."?? Are you sure you fell this way? The Wizard of Oz has no place in Austrian economics. Both Identify different problems and both Identify completely 180 solutions. I have seen you post quite a bit of stuff on Bill and I must say I am pleased to see this. Thank you! I believe Bill's documentaries are the best out there. Both Money Masters on the Secret of Oz. But what I am confused about is why you would push Bill's documentaries when his interpetaion of history are so different from Ron Paul?? And I am confused to why you would jump down my neck for calling Edward Griffen a liar, thief, a fish with a tiny brain with no backbone who has stolen and piggy-backed on the shoulders of giants to get where he is today when you have posted what I have 3 times on the forums.... Bill Sill Response to Griffin after many long years of twisting, degrading and slamming Bill Still's documentaries. Both Ed Griffin and Ron Paul don't ascribe to to Bill history, the core problems or solutions. Bill and Ed were good friends but in recent years he has gone way out of his way to unfairly attack Bill and his character. Why? Because he exposes Ed not directly but indirectly for the fraud he really is. (Money Masters/Secret of Oz) Which you have posted quite a few times. Ed is a punk who has become a filthy millionaire on telling partial truths but in No way the whole truth. Far from it. I am glad Bill finally responded to Ed Griffins attacks. A man can only take so much before he stands up for himself. And Ed thought he knew the kind of man Bill is and mocked and tempted him for years to reply to his nonsense, knowing Bill would never respond to a big fish as himself. But he was wrong. He defames Bill Still good name because they view history so much differently. And because they view history in a completely different light they see the root of the problem in complete opposites as well as solutions.

History, root of the problem, and solutions are all night and day differences. So maybe that's what your trying to figure out. Who interpets history correctly, who identifies the real root of the problem, and who ever has the first two right most likley has the better solution. But I am not convinced Bill has the correct solutions either. I am very curious what your thought are on this. Maybe you are not aware of this. And I don't know if you noticed, I replied to you where you called me a nasty arrogant name-caller in Loveistruth thread, I think it is called Ron Paul wins... I hope you will cut me some slack because the way Bill views history is very simalar to way Mullins does. And both disagree big-time with Ron Paul, Edward Griffin and Austrian school of economics. And so do many others. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Abraham Lincoln to name a few. Though I am glad to see you post Bills Doc, I am confused why when it goes against everything Ron Paul teaches?? You even put Abraham Lincoln in a good light. This is not the Austrian way.

What say ye?

I have been considering what you call the Bill Still vs Austrian economics debate.....I have not come to a conclusion.....so am still considering. I am not a Paul-Bot and never have been. But if I am to vote I feel that Paul is the best choice, unless you can come up with a better choice. Ron Paul has his strengths and weaknesses and I realize that but still support him for lack of an alternative. I do not believe like Jason that he is controlled by the NWO and a tool of satan. Jason has posted a bunch of stuff supposedly showing that. But I don't see anything that proves his thesis.... a bunch of inferences but nothing concrete. I have asked him to consolidate his info dumps in a paper with the best evidence to prove it.....but he refuses to do that.

Plus your style of writing is very rude and your assertions are not documented. I personally think that Ed Griffin has done a lot of good to expose the conspiracy, even back as far as the 1960s with many important books and articles that millions of people have been awakened by. But to say that he is a liar and a thief and just hint at what he might have done is a nasty thing to do and say about a person. Where is your documentation to support such insults?

[7cylon7captain of 1,000]

Bill Still ROCKS!!!!