Reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul.

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bobhenstra
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Re: Reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul.

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By all means lets continue to attack all those on our side we may have disagreements with, my disagreement is with Obama;

Did you notice who Obama threatened when he wasn't getting his way on raising the debt ceiling?

He threatened to not pay: Social Security Retirees, Military Retirees, Social Security disability and Federal Retirees.

He did not threaten to stop payments to illegal aliens

He did not threaten to take frivolous benefits such as Internet access away from violent inmates

He did not offer to fire some of the thousands of unnecessary federal employees that he hired

He did not offer to cut down on his or his wife's frivolous gallivanting

He did not threaten to not pay the senators and representatives or any of their staff

He did not threaten to take benefits away from welfare recipients

He did not threaten the food stamp programs

He did not threaten to not pay foreign aid

He did not threaten to cut back on anything that involves his base voters

The list could go on and on..
He is in full political re-election mode!
Why are we allowing this person to destroy this wonderful country with his selfishness and his lies?
His type of change is killing our country.
He needs to be stopped and only our votes can stop him.

Do not forget about his tactics when it's election time. It's him we should be attacking!
Vote Obama out of the Presidency in 2012.

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On my way to church this morning I thought about a few threads on here, specifically about praying who to vote for. The Lord has said to study things out in your mind. If you take no thought but to ask I’m sure you could walk away with a warm fuzzy for Mitt Romney, but if you study things out how could Ron Paul NOT BE the right man for the job?? His whole message is LIBERTY, not some form of government controlled pseudo-liberty that we have all come to know and resent (love in some cases) for the past 50-100 years. I guarantee that the concept of the constitution restricting the Federal government has become so foreign to the rising generation – they think the role of government is to restrict the people, just talk to some young folks out there! Then the thought came to me that I shouldn’t be getting caught up in the thick of thin things. I would LOVE to see Ron Paul win, but does it really matter? We know who the god of this world is (Satan and his minions)We know who will win in the end, the plan of God will not be frustrated and surely all of the LORDS prophesies will be fulfilled. We know things are going to get much worse before they get better. Having a Priesthood holder in the White House won’t necessarily change much. Given the choice between a “priesthood holder” and someone who follows the principles of liberty with exactness, I would choose the latter. This country has fulfilled the measure of its creation: The foundation of a free society to usher in the Restored Gospel. The New Jerusalem will be built upon this continent, (not under "this government") Let God’s will be done upon this great whore Babylon, (since it’s going to be done anyway eventually.)

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Wolfman I would just like to give a little history. I once voted for someone because I did not want the other candidate in office. When I "pulled the lever" I immediately felt horrible. I felt as if I had done a huge wrong with my freedom to vote. I vowed from then on that I would never do that again. From then on I will study the candidates, then follow the spirit. In the past I thought RP was right about many issues but I just never felt right about him and I could not explain why. I simply didn't feel settled about him. Then Semp posted some letters on the forum between Alan Keyes and RP's front man. After reading the letters I knew immediately why I never felt settled about RP. The letters were very telling of RP's foundation which goes beyond his voting record and all of his lip service that keeps getting posted here as to convince one of his true beliefs. These letters are a way of looking into RP's beliefs without having cameras around and therefore bare more of truth than an interview with RP surrounded by cameras. I knew his foundation was skewed and that is enough for me. It goes beyond the constitution. We need to return or repent plain and simple. So you see there is a way I believe that the spirit could steer one away from RP. In answer to your question "if you study things out how could Ron Paul NOT BE the right man for the job??" it is simple, I have studied things out and I still don't feel prompted. Others have asked then who do you support and my answer is I will support who the spirit says I should. No longer will I vote for the lesser of the two evils. I simply will not vote if it doesn't feel right. Anywho I am just rambling now so I will stop. If leadership is a reflection of the people, then what would the people do with this form of liberty that RP advocates??? I don't feel anything would change. Convince me otherwise, I have no problem with correction.

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One day at work in 2008 a friend of mine who happens to be black confided in me. He was disturbed because according to him all off his black friends were voting for Obama because he is black. The friend of mine thought Obama was a "smooth talking criminal". I find myself in my friends situation now. I feel all my Mormon friends are voting for Romney because he's Mormon. I fundamentally agree with Joel Skousen, every time he speaks I feel like he's articulating what's going on in my head. Romney isn't a bad guy and he's not part of the "conspiracy". Electing a president is by no mean electing a dictator and quite frankly if RP does get elected he has a high chance of being killed IMO. Ron Paul is grounded and guided by principle more so than any other candidate IMO. I know there has been some slander put out against him. I guess my whole point was in the end the Lords work will be done regardless of who wins the election. In the BOM the Lord has said either you serve me or you will be swept off the promised land, no president can alter the judgments of God that will shortly come to pass.

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Wolfman
"I guess my whole point was in the end the Lords work will be done regardless of who wins the election. In the BOM the Lord has said either you serve me or you will be swept off the promised land, no president can alter the judgments of God that will shortly come to pass.'

Agreed

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He has the same ties to big money and global government design as any of the other candidates....

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Jason wrote:He has the same ties to big money and global government design as any of the other candidates....
I saw the proof of this the other day too... I think from another post of yours. While I think he still understands the constitution, I'm not sure fiscally he would do much better or really help us out of our current predicament at all now. Now the real question is who do I vote for, because all the candidates are obviously corrupt at some level.

I still do think Ron Paul is the best in the pack for the GOP though. At least he does stand for liberty, and for that he'll probably get my vote.

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AHHAHAHAHA! Let me get this straight. It seems that now, you people have become dis-enchanted with Ron Paul. " A flash in the Pan" if you will. He is just like the rest. Some of you say that, " I just won't vote". LOL!
You people have literally spun in circles till you've turned to butter. Hey, are we being punked? No wait, is this the Twilight Zone?

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Wednesday, January 04, 2012
A Note To The Crazy Ron Paul Supporters
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By Susan Duclos

Before Paul supporter's heads start exploding, the headline does not refer to Ron Paul supporters in general and not even to the majority of Paul supporters.

The headline refers to the crazy online portion of Paul supporters that reflect badly on their candidate.

The Note: You are not helping your candidate, you are mimicking the online madness that was perpetrated in 2008 and you are reflecting badly on Ron Paul by association.

Last night during the live blogging of the Iowa caucus results that Wake up America participated in thanks to Right Pundits allowing us to embed the live chat into our own live blogging, some Paul supporters joined in with immediate conspiracy theories stating that if Paul did not win in Iowa it was because GOP officials rigged the vote count.

The conspiracy theories started days before the actual caucuses and continued right through the vote count and into today.

It was mentioned during the live chat/live blogging discussion last night, by a Ron Paul supporter, that the media refuses to talk about Paul.

The problem there is when the media does vet Paul, his supporters then scream it is a conspiracy against him when his newsletters, his racist supporters, his conspiracy talk, etc.... is brought to light.

We didn't see Perry supporters scream CONSPIRACY when the media and/or pundits pointed to Perry's debate performances. We didn't see Gingrich supporters scream CONSPIRACY when the media highlighted Gingrich's Tiffany purchases.... and so on.

Yet any time someone dares speak to Paul's own record, his own words, his own actions, it is some huge conspiracy to the crazy portion of Paul supporters.

David Frum asks about personal responsibility:

Ron Paul’s supporters ask that their candidate not be judged by his associates. Or by the people he chose to employ. Or by the newsletters he published. Or by the book he wrote. Or by the way he earned the largest part of his living when out of office in the 1990s. Or by his purchase of the mailing list of the Holocaust-denying Liberty Lobby. Or by the radio shows he chooses to appear on. Or by his strategic decision to reach out to racist voters. Or by the conspiracy theories to which he lends credence, from government creation of AIDS to Israeli culpability for the 1993 bombing to a putative 9/11 “coverup.”

And here I thought that libertarianism was a doctrine of personal responsibility?



The sane,, legitimate Paul supporters that are willing to address the issues and discuss the politics of Paul are being tainted, again, with the crazy conspiracy theorists that seem to gravitate to Ron Paul.



Why Are Ron Paul Supporters So Crazy? by Kevin Webb

Once upon a time I liked Ron Paul… until the day I met his fan base.

I continue to be amazed by the level of psychotic senselessness that Ron Paul supporters exemplify. Unless your sentence starts and ends with “Ron Paul is Constitutional,” then your point of view doesn’t even matter to them, so don’t waste your time.

I’ve recently tried to have had some conversations with several avid Ron Paul supporters (also known as Paulbots) that ended nothing short of crazy.

I’ve never seen a group of political supporters more UNWILLING to have a civil, mature, constructive discussion than I have seen from 2012 presidential candidate Ron Paul supporters. And keep in mind that I battle it out with liberal Democrats on a daily basis. It’s almost as if reason does not exist in their world.

The sad part is that Ron Paul has some great ideas, and every time that I start to pay more attention to him, his loony toon supporters provide me with enough Ron Paul ‘birth control’ to last a lifetime. If they are any representation of what the world will be like with Ron Paul as president… umm… no thanks.

How does the “man of the Constitution” draw in so many crazy people? It truly is beyond me.

The truth is that Ron Paul doesn’t stand much chance against the billion dollar Obama campaign machine. It’s unfortunate, because right now our choice of Gingrich and Romney is pretty depressing. Gingrich and Romney are both big-government progressive butt-heads, and Ron Paul is an unreasonable no-government lunatic who will have drug addicted prostitutes running around if he gets his way. While I’m grateful that Paul sticks to the Constitution, the man has no idea of the American values that are laced through the rock and soil of our nation, and disregarding them in the name of the Constitution is counterproductive to the continued success and blessings as a nation.

Here are a few lessons that I have learned in meeting Ron Paul supporters:

• Anyone that disagrees with Ron Paul is unconstitutional
• Anyone that has other points of view is a troll
• Most of them want to talk about the New World Order (NWO), aliens, hating Jews, and the Illuminati
• They only respect military personnel when they can use them as voter support statistics
• If you present facts to them that they don’t like, then they SPAM you to death
• You can’t be for protecting Americans and support the Constitution
• They are good at shouting people down
• They are good at hi-jacking straw polls
• They’re good at SPAMMING you into oblivion with Ron Paul links
• They’re especially good at answering every question with a question – that rarely makes sense

And the list goes on.

HOW IN THE WORLD do Ron Paul supporters expect to win any new support base over with these tactics? They’re terrible, and they’re doing Ron Paul a disservice by acting so obnoxious.

Is that the goal? Did Obama hire you guys to make Ron Paul look like a fool?

If so, it’s working.

Let’s face the facts. Ron Paul has some excellent policies – most Americans want the troops to come home, they want to reign in the budget, lower taxes, and I am all for doing something with the Federal Reserve.

Unfortunately for Ron Paul, the Constitution is not a brick wall. The Constitution is a framework. A framework designed to allow material changes based on ‘what’s in style’ – it allows for societal changes. The framework doesn’t change, the foundation doesn’t change, but the circumstances and situations do change, and the Constitution was designed to handle those changes. Otherwise, we could argue that enforcing a speed limit is unconstitutional, but that would be senseless.

When you view the Constitution as a brick wall rather than a framework, then you fail to realize the profoundness of the document(s).

I love the Constitution. The fact that it is the longest surviving Constitution (in use) in the world is proof that it was nothing short of a miracle, especially considering that we are the youngest nation in existence.

That doesn’t change the fact that the world we live in today is not the same world that Madison, Franklin, Jefferson, Washington and the others lived in. It’s vital to the future of our country that these changes be identified and that we take into account the Constitutional framework to deal with them.

BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN WE THROW AWAY COMMON SENSE OR LOGIC.

There are many things that the Constitution doesn’t specifically define – on purpose. I believe we can get as close as possible to the absolute meaning by reading the other writing of that time, and by taking into consideration all of America’s early documents, but there will always be intelligence gaps in how we interpret it, and the same goes for everything from the Bible to a fortune cookie.

The problem is that most Ron Paul supporters are so die-hard that they throw reason right out the window. I DO want someone to follow the Constitution, but I also want that person to be able to identify the world we currently live in and address it accordingly.

So my question stands. Why are Ron Paul supporters so crazy? What is the connecting trend?

Is is the fact that he wants to make drug use legal, and allow for rampant prostitution in the streets?

Please fill me in if you know

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Mark wrote:
lundbaek wrote:The following reasons for not voting for Ron Paul are, as I stated, reasons given me by other LDSs.

He is not popular and hasn't a chance of winning the GOP primary and is considered something of a joke by most American voters
A vote for Paul is one vote less and badly needed by Romney
He is not presidential material
We desperately need a Priesthood holder as US President
He does not have the business success that Romney has.
Since he is not a Priesthood holder he cannot receive inspiration from the Lord.

We heard you the first time Lundy. Got a bit of that dreaded obsessive compulsive action going on? :ymdevil: I feel your pain Bro. I often repeat things 3 times to the Mrs. and by the 3rd time she is ready to deck me. =p~
For the most part all childish reason not to vote for him. There are many valid reason why no one should vote for the lifetime politician! All one has to do is look at both sides and the big picture! Ron Paul followers have only looked into one side, they don't know all the facts.

@Mark, Glad to see you back!

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Juliette, I plan to vote for a communist, because they have well-behaved supporters.

Freedom lovers tend to get a bit too rowdy, especially when they come to understand how much they're being robbed. They need to become more submissive.

Better to support those who prefer to feed off the system.

At least until it collapses.

“In general, the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one party of citizens to give to the other.” ~ Voltaire (1764)

H. L. Mencken:
The average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe.

Samuel Adams:
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

"One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence." - Charles A. Beard

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I was also thinking that there are people I know who are too vocal and rigid in their opinions against smoking.

Which is why I've decided to take up the habit.

Juliette
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djinwa wrote:I was also thinking that there are people I know who are too vocal and rigid in their opinions against smoking.

Which is why I've decided to take up the habit.
HAHA! Don't do it! :))

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