JFK Assassination

[natashacaptain of 1,000]

Just a heads up for some who might be interested. I caught the tale end of a promo last night for a program about the JFK
Assassination....using up-to-date enhanced computers. I believe the program is going to show Sunday night....done by National Geographic. Sorry I don't know exact time and station. I'm sure those who are interested will find it.

[iamse7encaptain of 1,000]

Nat'l Geo giving an update on JFK... Hmmm, yeah, this oughta be worthwhile. No propaganda at all. Magic bullet killed JFK and magic fire brought down WTC 7. And they have new computers to prove it.

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Thanks for the heads up Nat. Former mobster Tony Gambino, when released from prison in 2005 (I think it was) after serving a 20 year sentence, spilled the beans on a lot of stuff. He said that he personally knew the guy who shot JFK and that he was located in a storm drain on the side of the street about 25-30 yards in front of the vehicle as it approached, which would explain two things: the trajectory of the bullet and the snap back of JFK's head into the top part of the seat. I think Gambino said the guy's name was Frank Sturgis and that he managed to escape rather easily through a storm drain tunnel that emptied into a small gulley a few hundred feet away. JFK was killed by the mob for some reason (possibly hired by the 'Fed' to protect its charter and stranglehold on the U.S.' monetary system since JFK was going to end their reign of control through executive order). Unless there was another motive? LHO was the fall guy/patsy (just like Osama bin Laden was for 9/11).

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Was George H.W. Bush Involved in Assassination of JFK?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/16 ... on-of-jfk/

Kill Zone by Craig Roberts

...cia version is Case Closed by Gerald Posner

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

Thanks for the heads up Nat. Former mobster Tony Gambino, when released from prison in 2005 (I think it was) after serving a 20 year sentence, spilled the beans on a lot of stuff. He said that he personally knew the guy who shot JFK and that he was located in a storm drain on the side of the street about 25-30 yards in front of the vehicle as it approached, which would explain two things: the trajectory of the bullet and the snap back of JFK's head into the top part of the seat. I think Gambino said the guy's name was Frank Sturgis and that he managed to escape rather easily through a storm drain tunnel that emptied into a small gulley a few hundred feet away. JFK was killed by the mob for some reason (possibly hired by the 'Fed' to protect its charter and stranglehold on the U.S.' monetary system since JFK was going to end their reign of control through executive order). Unless there was another motive? LHO was the fall guy/patsy (just like Osama bin Laden was for 9/11).

They used this exact scenario in an X Files episode pre 2005.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Thanks for the heads up Nat. Former mobster Tony Gambino, when released from prison in 2005 (I think it was) after serving a 20 year sentence, spilled the beans on a lot of stuff. He said that he personally knew the guy who shot JFK and that he was located in a storm drain on the side of the street about 25-30 yards in front of the vehicle as it approached, which would explain two things: the trajectory of the bullet and the snap back of JFK's head into the top part of the seat. I think Gambino said the guy's name was Frank Sturgis and that he managed to escape rather easily through a storm drain tunnel that emptied into a small gulley a few hundred feet away. JFK was killed by the mob for some reason (possibly hired by the 'Fed' to protect its charter and stranglehold on the U.S.' monetary system since JFK was going to end their reign of control through executive order). Unless there was another motive? LHO was the fall guy/patsy (just like Osama bin Laden was for 9/11).

JFK said he was going to smash the CIA (Bush and company - see my history in Blipits) into a thousand pieces. He fired Allen Dulles, Deputy Director for Plans Richard M. Bissell, Jr. and Deputy Director Charles Cabell. Bush's were trying to get rid of Castro who nationalized all of their investments in Cuba (they hated that guy for life over it). Roscoe White confessed to the killing via a diary found by his son and turned over to the FBI never to be seen again. Also found were documents tying Roscoe White to the CIA via ZR/RIFLE assassination program (code name Mandarin)....as well as various other supporting documents (not to mention complete revealing of how it all went down and planning via diary). Rosco discussed being integrated into the Dallas police department 6 months prior to the murder as well as killing Dallas police officer J.D. Tippet as well as multiple eyewitnesses over the preceding two years. If I remember correctly Roscoe listed most of those by name in his diary. Roscoe served with Oswald in the Marine Corps in the same unit. Documents surfaced a few years back revealing that Oswald was also a paid informant of the FBI to J Edgar Hoover (probably ratting out the CIA - Bush & company...hence the set up). Oswald was in all likelihood CIA and married to KGB agent (intelligence marriage) as neither got along with each other and both traipsed across borders with ease.

If you want the best analysis I have had the opportunity to read -
Kill Zone by Craig Roberts
http://bousnett.com/rune/webBooks/z-Kil ... derETc.pdf

...also of interest will be -
Crossfire by Jim Marrs
Called to Serve by James "Bo" Gritz
THE GUNS OF DALLAS by L. Fletcher Prouty
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/GoD.html
THE SECRET TEAM by L. Fletcher Prouty
http://www.bilderberg.org/st/index.htm
Documentary - Dark Legacy (best documentary video I've seen on it)
http://thedarklegacy.com/

If you want the CIA version which I read previously to Kill Zone see -
...Case Closed by Gerald Posner (busted for plagiarism and now the Karzai family lawyer....after being CIA author for number of years)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ingle.html
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ex-daily ... ly-lawyer/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-bake ... 95710.html
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... fghanistan

[Obiwancaptain of 100]

Recent latest fully accurate computer modeling has proven unequivocally that JFK was shot by one assassin, that his head movements and other environmental factors occurred exactly how they would have occurred.

You conspiracy nuts have been finally fully debunked.

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Recent latest fully accurate computer modeling has proven unequivocally that JFK was shot by one assassin, that his head movements and other environmental factors occurred exactly how they would have occurred.

You conspiracy nuts have been finally fully debunked.

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning Obiwan?

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Recent latest fully accurate computer modeling has proven unequivocally that JFK was shot by one assassin, that his head movements and other environmental factors occurred exactly how they would have occurred.

You conspiracy nuts have been finally fully debunked.

Oh yeah....computer modeling (designed with an end in mind) completely tops a signed confession....as well as multiple other verbal confessions from involved parties. Talk about ignorance and lack of ability to logically analyze....

[Obiwancaptain of 100]

Yes, just like there were all these confessions of women claiming they had sex with Joseph Smith.
Yes, just like all these confessions of sexual harassment by Cain.

Nope, according to you, people "never" give false testimony. Thus, we should ignore the physical and environment facts, for instead someones "word"?

It is you who do not know how to "logically analyse".

And FYI.... The modeling I'm talking about is taking the VIDEO of the Assassination, and analyzing it.
How do you think they make movies these days with fake things looking real? It's because computer technology is able to track and determine every movement now. In other words, it's a trick of the eyes when someone watches the video and thinks there's another shooter. When in fact, it has now been "unequivocally" proved, there was only one shot fired based on the actions that occurred in the video. Do you understand what unequivocal means?

In other words, I'm not talking about computer modeling that "makes crap up" in order to create a pre-desired result/conclusion.
I'm talking about modeling of the VIDEO itself, facts which ALREADY EXIST.... Which is entirely provable. Kennedy was hit by one bullet, and one bullet only, as well as all other reactions in the video. All were related to that one shot, that one bullet. Man you people are gullible!

[Obiwancaptain of 100]

Recent latest fully accurate computer modeling has proven unequivocally that JFK was shot by one assassin, that his head movements and other environmental factors occurred exactly how they would have occurred.

You conspiracy nuts have been finally fully debunked.

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning Obiwan?

I wake up on the wrong side every morning when I see people who claim "truth", who aren't telling the truth at all, be it anti-mormons, liberals, liberal mormons, mormons who are Alex Jones nuts, Christians who are anti-mormons, Christian conservatives who are anti-mormon, etc. etc. People who use their brain, who are supposed to be "good", but not enough to get at the actual truth of things.

It makes me angry that people who should know better.... don't know better, embracing the dark side and perversion, and think it truth and right.

To give an example, just listened to part of an Archived recent conservative show. That show had the claim that George Soros through two company's were buying up nearly all Arms Manufacturing company's in the U.S. Well, turns out that claim is a complete lie.... That in fact the parent investing firm in question is owned by strong 2nd Amendment believers, and in fact even the NRA has debunked this claim.

Bottom line..... assumptions, wishful thinking, and the rumor mill are not facts.

[Robthe Sunbeam]

And FYI.... The modeling I'm talking about is taking the VIDEO of the Assassination, and analyzing it.
How do you think they make movies these days with fake things looking real? It's because computer technology is able to track and determine every movement now. In other words, it's a trick of the eyes when someone watches the video and thinks there's another shooter. When in fact, it has now been "unequivocally" proved, there was only one shot fired based on the actions that occurred in the video. Do you understand what unequivocal means?

In other words, I'm not talking about computer modeling that "makes crap up" in order to create a pre-desired result/conclusion.
I'm talking about modeling of the VIDEO itself, facts which ALREADY EXIST.... Which is entirely provable. Kennedy was hit by one bullet, and one bullet only, as well as all other reactions in the video. All were related to that one shot, that one bullet. Man you people are gullible!

You don't believe that fish can talk because Pixar proved they can, do you? Good gosh, obiwan. The Zapruder film clearly shows multiple shots with the kill shot to the head coming from the front and to the right of JFK, hence the "back and to the left".


Computer technology doesn't track or determine anything, computer programmers tell computers what to process, in other words: GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). Please, by all means, show us the source code or algorithms used and we'll go from there.


And enough with the insults. Focus on the science.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Yes, just like there were all these confessions of women claiming they had sex with Joseph Smith.
Yes, just like all these confessions of sexual harassment by Cain.

Nope, according to you, people "never" give false testimony. Thus, we should ignore the physical and environment facts, for instead someones "word"?

It is you who do not know how to "logically analyse".

And FYI.... The modeling I'm talking about is taking the VIDEO of the Assassination, and analyzing it.
How do you think they make movies these days with fake things looking real? It's because computer technology is able to track and determine every movement now. In other words, it's a trick of the eyes when someone watches the video and thinks there's another shooter. When in fact, it has now been "unequivocally" proved, there was only one shot fired based on the actions that occurred in the video. Do you understand what unequivocal means?

In other words, I'm not talking about computer modeling that "makes crap up" in order to create a pre-desired result/conclusion.
I'm talking about modeling of the VIDEO itself, facts which ALREADY EXIST.... Which is entirely provable. Kennedy was hit by one bullet, and one bullet only, as well as all other reactions in the video. All were related to that one shot, that one bullet. Man you people are gullible!

Talk about confirming my analysis of you....

LOL....magic bullets that turn 90 degrees (by the way that theory got blown out of the water a long long time ago)....computer programs that determine truth....

Did you know that both the US Marine Corps sniper school and the Israeli Mossad recreated the exact scenario and no one could pull off the shot with the best equipment available....let alone a cheap piece of crap rifle with crappy scope that was loose in the mounting rings.

I'm going to do my best to be patient despite the extreme level of ignorance and attitude displayed here (look up ignoramus)...

I would suggest (though highly unlikely that it will be heeded based on previous evidence of lack of desire for truth) that you start with the twelve volumes of data from the HSCA Investigation....or read the works I already linked to above.

Kennedy Assassination - the 2nd Investigation by Congress Few People Know About, United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA): The HSCAwas established in 1976 to investigate the John F. Kennedy assassination and the Martin Luther King, Jr. assassination. The Committee investigated until 1978, and in 1979 issued its final report, concluding that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated by a conspiracy involving the mob, and potentially the CIA.The House Select Committee on Assassinations undertook reinvestigations of the murders of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. In 1979, a single Report and twelve volumes of appendices on each assassination were published by the Congress. In the JFK case, the HSCA found that there was a "probable conspiracy," though it was unable to determine the nature of that conspiracy or its other participants (besides Oswald).

This finding was based in part on acoustics evidence from a tape purported to record the shots, but was also based on other evidence including an investigation of Ruby's Mafia connections and potential CIA and/or FBI connections to Oswald. To this day, many conspiracy deniers are unaware that the Congressional investigation into JFK’s assassination concluded beyond any shadow of a doubt that it was a conspiracy.What made them come to this conclusion?

Aside from reading the report, many witnesses (some of whom were CIA agents and station chiefs in Dallas that morning) were killed the night before testifying.For example, George de Mohrenschildt was a petroleum geologist who befriended Lee Harvey Oswald during the months preceding the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy.He also worked for the CIA.He also blew his brains out the night before he was to testify to the committee.The committee also uncovered, among many things, that Oswald left the marines where he learned how to speak fluent Russian (at the height of the cold war).He was given money by the State Department to travel to Russia where he stopped off in Japan at a top secret US Military facility.The Warren Commission even mentioned this part.What most people do not know is that he probably was working in the Cold War infiltrating the Russians as either a “dangle,” “double agent,” or “defector" of some kind.

What is interesting is that upon his return he got more money from the State Department to buy a house and work with an ex FBI Chief and CIA officials in training anti-Castro Cubans for an invasion.In Louisiana, where he was working, the CIA was involved in Operation Mongoose, Where Oswald worked under CIA Agent David Ferrie, who killed himself before testifying in a trial on the Assassination as well.Operation Mongoose worked closely with Southern Mafia figures largely because the casinos in Cuba, which were shut down after Fidel obtained control over the country, were epicenters for control on the island.

The CIA even hired the Mafia to assassinate Fidel on many occasions, 3 attempts which failed are common knowledge.What is funny is that figures who worked very close with Oswald either ended up dead (over 100 of them connected to the assassination died within a few years of unusual circumstances) or they ended up in other conspiracies.

For instance, E Howard Hunt (CIA Agent) confessed to being involved in the conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy on his deathbed.E Howard Hunt was one of the Watergate Burglars.Barry Seal, who worked with Oswald and Ferrie ended up being one of the largest cocaine smugglers in the United States during Iran Contra, as a key player for the agency and informant for the DEA.There is so much more to get into, but there just isn’t enough time. Oswald's tax returns are still classified top secret to this day. Why? Perhaps he was still getting $$ from the United States, which places him on the payroll. That money trail leads to figures, many of whom were murdered, that would have blown the story wide open. For 14 years, most didn't know this. The HSCA investigaitons by congress went against the findings of the Warren Commission and both reports are from the same source, Congressional Committees. Which is true? Why do we only teach one to our children in school?

December 30, 1978 Report on HSCA Findings:

The House Select Committee on Assassinations suffered from being conducted mostly in secret, and then issuing a public report with much of its evidence sealed for 50 years under Congressional rules.[1] In 1992, Congress passed legislation to collect and open up all the evidence relating to Kennedy's death, and created the Assassination Records Review Board to further that goal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... ssinations

...now why on earth would they seal up all the evidence for 50 years if it corroborated the official story already presented???? Which of course it didn't....

Excerpt from Kill Zone by Craig Roberts -

I knew instantly that Oswald could not have done it. At least not alone. Oswald could not have possibly fired three shots in rapid succession 5.6 seconds according to the museum displays with a worn-out military surplus Mannlicher-Carcano mounted with a cheap telescopic sight from that particular location to the kill zone I now examined in more detail on the street below.

The reason I knew that Oswald could not have done it, was because I could not have done it.

Unlike Oswald, who failed to qualify on the rifle range in Boot Camp, and who barely qualified "Marksman" the lowest of three grades on a later try, I was a trained and combat-experienced Marine sniper. I had spent a year in Vietnam, during which time I had numerous occasions to line up living, breathing human beings in the cross-hairs of my precision Unertl scope and squeeze the trigger of my bolt-action Model 70 Winchester and send a .30 caliber match-grade round zipping down range.

Here I was, a professional police officer and writer, looking down at the most famous ambush site in history through the eyes of a sniper. A strange feeling came over me. A feeling of calm, dampening my anger. The trained investigator inside me surfaced and took over my emotions. I began to scrutinize what my senses were absorbing.

First, I analyzed the scene as a sniper. In the time allotted, and in the distance along the street in which the rounds had impacted the target from first report to final shot, it would take a minimum of two people shooting. There was little hope that I alone, even if armed with the precision equipment I had used in Vietnam, would be able duplicate the feat described by the Warren Commission. So if I couldn't, I reasoned, Oswald couldn't.

Unless he had help.

I looked at the engagement angle. It was entirely wrong. The wall of the building in which the windows overlooked Dealey Plaza ran east and west. By looking directly down at the best engagement angle which was straight out the window facing south I could see Houston Street. Houston was perpendicular to the wall and ran directly toward my window. This is the street on which the motorcade had approached and would have been my second choice as a zone of engagement. My first choice was directly below the window, at a drastic bend in the street that had to be negotiated by Kennedy's limousine. It would have to slow appreciably, almost to a stop, and when it did, the target would be presented moving at its slowest pace. The last zone of engagement I would pick would be as the limo drove away toward the west and the Grassy Knoll. Here, from what I could see, three problems arose that would influence my shots. First, the target was moving away at a drastic angle to the right from the window, meaning that I would have to position my body to compete with the wall and a set of vertical water pipes on the left frame of the window to get a shot. This would be extremely difficult for a right handed shooter. Second, I would have to be ready to fire exactly when the target emerged past some tree branches that obscured the kill zone. Finally, I would have to deal with two factors at the same time: the curve of the street, and the high-to-low angle formula, a law of physics Oswald would not have known.

Even if I waited for the target to pass the primary and secondary engagement zones, and for some reason decided to engage instead in the worst possible area, I still had to consider the fact that Oswald made his farthest, and most difficult shot, last. I estimated the range for this shot at between 80 and 90 yards. It was this final shot that, according to the Warren Commission, struck Kennedy's head.

As an experienced sniper, something else bothered me. Any sniper knows that the two most important things to be considered in selecting a position are the fields of fire, and a route of escape. You have to have both. It is of little value to take a shot, then not be able to successfully get away to fight another day. Even if the window was a spot that I would select for a hide, I had doubts about my ability to escape afterwards. According to what little I had read, the elevator was stuck on a floor below at the time in question, and only the stairway could have been used as a means of withdrawal. And there were dozens of people, potential witnesses, below who would be able to identify anyone rushing away from the scene. Not good.

But Oswald was not a trained or experienced military sniper. He was supposed to be little more than some odd-ball with a grudge. And for whatever reason, had decided to buy a rifle and shoot the President of the United States. Or so the Warren Commission would have us believe. It is important at this point to demonstrate exactly what would have had to happen that warm November day in 1963 on this very floor. To do this, the reader must become Lee Harvey Oswald.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that the Warren Commission was correct in their findings. Oswald, the lone nut, was the only shooter to fire at the President. He managed to smuggle his rifle up to the 6th floor, realizing well in advance that the motorcade would pass through Dealey Plaza below on his lunch hour which is the only open kill zone on the route and was well-prepared to take as many shots as he could at the open convertible (which he didn't even know would be uncovered that day, nor did anyone know that the motorcade would detour to Elm for a turn back to the west by the Book Depository unless they caught a late issue of the newspaper).

To see what would have had to transpire on the 22nd of November, 1963, to accomplish what the Warren Commission stated "Oswald" did, we must return to the scene of the crime and recreate the events. We must look at Dealey Plaza through a sniper's eyes. It is only this way, with the information presented here, that one can begin to comprehend how false the Warren Commission's verdict was:

It's a warm, muggy November day. But only two windows on the 6th Floor are opened in the un-airconditioned building. You are sweating, both because of the heat and because of what you are getting ready to do. Your plans are just about to culminate in your chance to change history (for whatever motive). You look at your watch. It's almost time. You pick up your rifle and kneel at the window overlooking Elm Street. Even though there is a large crowd below, you are unconcerned about being seen even with the weapon.

For some unfathomable reason, you have picked a confined area of Elm Street as your kill zone. You have disregarded Houston Street, which is aligned perfectly with your corner of the building, affording you a straight head-on shot for over a block where the motorcade will move slowly toward you. But shooting Kennedy from the
front, where he is most vulnerable, is not what you intend to do. You have decided, for some reason to shoot Kennedy in the back, through the trees, on a winding street, at a relatively steep vertical angle, in a partially obscured, confined area that is barely visible from the window on the Elm side.

Now it's time. The motorcade is approaching. You work the bolt on the Carcano, chambering an unpredictable round-nosed 6.5mm cartridge. You bring the short-barreled carbine to your shoulder (it wasn't really a rifle), and sight through the misaligned, non-boresighted scope with defective optics and loose mount, and study the thin crosshairs. Your field of view is almost nonexistent. You note that you can barely pick out one or two people in the circular lens. To bring this weapon on target after the recoil of a shot will be challenging, to say the least.

You wait. The motorcade turns the corner onto Elm, each vehicle almost stopping as they negotiate the 120 degree turn. Then you see the President. He looks different in person, alive, human. And there's Jackie. And Connally...

You are not looking though the scope now. You are simply watching the cars move slowly down Elm. You wait for a few seconds as they come into your kill zone, then raise the scope to your eye, taking a second to establish the proper eye-relief between your eyeball and the lens so that "half-moon shadows" don't appear on the edge of the sight picture. After all, the crosshairs and scope have to be exactly aligned or you will miss the target entirely. And this has to be done after every shot. But wait, you are not a trained sniper. You have no idea of the "high-low" formula, or the minute-of-angle rule. You don't realize that a sniper, shooting from high to low angle, has to aim low. You don't realize that if you don't aim low at the range you have selected, that you will miss the target by up to a foot. No one has told you that because of the effects of gravity, the bullet will not drop an appreciable amount like it did on the rifle range which was a flat-trajectory shot.

Maybe sweat is not stinging your eyes, and maybe your hands aren't shaking even though you have never killed anyone before and are now about to do so. But more than likely, you find it hard to hold the rifle on target. But you must. Seconds are ticking by and you will miss your chance. Don't worry about the time, concentrate on the crosshairs. But wait, no one ever told you to do that. Instead, you are watching the target, which is clear in your scope, and your crosshairs are a blur, exactly the opposite of what must occur for an accurate shot.

Never mind. You have other problems to contend with. Your adrenalin is pumping and you find your arms acting like they are detached from your body. Somehow you manage to regain mental control of your limbs, and at the same time attempt to control your breathing. What did they say on the rifle range in the Marines? Oh yes, "BRASS." Breath, Relax, Aim, Slack, Squeeze. That's it. You hold your breath, try your best to relax, aim the weapon, centering on the head of the President of the United States, in your scope, take up the slack from the trigger and squeeze...The first shot jolts you back to reality. You've done it! But did you hit anything? Now your adrenalin is really pumping as your curiosity makes you glance quickly at the street below while you take the weapon away from your line of vision to work the bolt, chambering a fresh round.

You realign, sight in again as the dark blue Lincoln begins to disappear around the bend behind that damned tree. Screw it. Shoot. This time you manage to get the shot off a little faster. "Buck Fever" has subsided a bit. Still, you aren't sure if you hit anything because in your haste you jerked the trigger you didn't have time for a proper squeeze. You work the bolt again, ejecting the spent casing to the right and across the room into the cardboard boxes or at least that's where it should have gone. Your last shot. The car is now at maximum range, actually almost out of view, but miraculously, for some reason, the car slows almost to a complete stop. You even see the brake lights come on. You shoot. Unknown to you this round hits Connally. All of a sudden the car speeds up and dashes away under the triple overpass. Elapsed time so far since the first shot, 5.6 seconds! Not bad, considering that it takes a minimum of 3.3 seconds to fire, work the bolt, and fire again and then only if you don't take time to accurately realign the rifle on the target before the next shot.

It's time to get away. You pull back from the window and sprint to the opposite end of the 6th floor, noting that there still is not a single person who has come up from the floor below to investigate the noise of the shots. You find a place between some boxes to hide the carbine. You didn't note, in your haste, that you left your lunch sack and a pop bottle that would undoubtedly contain your finger prints behind at the window, and nearby, only a few inches from the wall, just to the right of the window, are the three expended 6.5mm casings neatly grouped as if they'd been placed there on purpose. Mysteriously, there is no stripper clip which should have fallen to the floor through the magazine floor plateand the weapon could not have functioned without it!

You race down the stairs to the second floor (the elevator is stuck on a floor below) and enter the coffee room. You have time to fish some change out of your pocket, buy a coke, and drink half of it in the few seconds it took for a policeman to rush into the Depository, charge up one flight of stairs and charge up to the door of the room. He notes that you are standing casually by the Coke machine, haven't broken a sweat, and that you seem calm, breathing normally. This feat in itself is quite remarkable considering that you had to run completely across the 6th floor after taking your last shot, maneuvering around stacks of boxes as you raced away from your "sniper's nest," to the opposite (northwest) corner of the warehouse to the stair well. You then had to race unseen down four flights of stairs, then across the building's second floor to the coffee room where you had time to fish a dime from your pocket, buy the Coke from the vending machine, and drink half of it all in one minute or less from the time the final shot was fired! (According the Gerald Posner in his "Oswald-did-it-the-Warren-Commission- was-right" book Case Closed, this is what had to have happened for Oswald to have accomplished his single- sniper feat). The policeman, Dallas motorcycle officer Marrion Baker, asks your boss if you are an employee. When this is confirmed, he breaks away to search the floors above.

A few seconds later, after Baker is out of sight, you make your getaway. But instead of taking some preplanned mode of transportation out of town, you simply walk out the front door where you run into NBC reporter Robert McNeil who asks directions to the nearest telephone. You deal with him in a very calm, collected manner, then go home to your rented room. You know that you will soon be missed at work, that the Dallas police will begin rounding up anyone in the vicinity to question almost immediately, but you still don't try to escape by leaving the city. Even if you decided at the last moment to attempt such a move, you wouldn't be able to get very far on the $17.00 you have in your pocket. Instead, you decide to take a walkoutside, in public view.

....

I was a trained professional investigator with over 18 years experience at the time; I had been a combat experienced sniper and had qualified Expert on virtually every weapon used in an infantry battalion between 1964 and 1987 (active and reserve); I was also a master-ranked shooting team member of both the police department and the military, and I was a writer who had already written two respected books on sniping, One ShotOne Kill, and Police Sniper. These last qualifications would prove invaluable. The contacts I made during the research and writing of those books would open doors to me that no "assassination researcher" had ever gained access to or even knew existed.

....

Someday all of the witnesses will be gone and the remaining physical evidence will disappear. At that time, the "files" will probably become available to the public. However, like the FBI and CIA files, they will have been "sterilized." The conspiracy and coverup will have succeeded and there will be no true and final solution to the murder.55

But a few questions will remain through the ages that will forever threaten to raise the demons of truth before the official version parroted by the government. The most obvious is the simple mechanics of the killing. Could Lee Harvey Oswald, given the 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano, fire a minimum of three shots accurately from the 6th floor window of the Book Depository in the time allotted?

This can now be answered. He could not.

According to my friend, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, the former senior instructor for the U.S. Marine Corps Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia, it could not be done as described by the FBI investigators. Gunny Hathcock, now retired, is the most famous American military sniper in history. In Vietnam he was credited with 93 confirmed killsand a total of over 300 actual kills counting those unconfirmed. He now conducts police SWAT team sniper schools across the country. When I called him to ask if he had seen the Zapruder film, he chuckled and cut me off. "Let me tell you what we did at Quantico," he began. "We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don't know how many times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. Now if I can't do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the rifle range and later only qualified 'marksman' do it?"

The Marines were not the only ones who attempted to duplicate the shots. According to Victor Ostrovsky, an Israeli Mossad agent, the Mossad also tried to reenact the shooting using the available data. Using their best marksmen and finest equipment, they also found it couldn't be done by one man, using that position, in the time allowed:

"To test their theory, they did a simulation exercise of the presidential cavalcade to see if expert marksmen with far better equipment than Oswald's could hit a moving target from the recorded distance of 88 yards. They couldn't...The Mossad had every film taken of the Dallas Assassination. Pictures of the area, the topography, aerial photographs, everything. Using mannequins, they duplicated the presidential cavalcade over and over again. Professionals will do a job in the same way. If I'm going to use a high powered rifle, there are very few places I'd work from, and ideally I'd want a place where I held the target for the longest possible time, where I could get closest to it, but still create the least disturbance. Based on that, we picked a few likely places, and we had more than one person doing the shooting from more than one angle....During the simulation, the Mossad, using better, more powerful equipment, would aim their rifles, which were set up on tripods, and when the moment came they'd say "bang" over the loudspeakers and a laser directionfinder would show where the people in the car would have been hit, and the bullet exits. It was just an exercise, but it showed that it was impossible to do what Oswald was supposed to have done."56

And to cap this, even the Soviets considered Oswald to be a poor shot. A Russian who knew Oswald in the Soviet Union told the TASS news agency that Oswald was a man "of weak character and poor marksmanship." The TASS article went on to say that Oswald at one point bought a "hunting gun and joined a hunters' club. But he rarely attended training sessions and was considered a bad shot."57

And this simple fact Oswald could not have done itis the Achilles heal in the government's case. For the lack of planning and accomplishing two simple thingsspending a few dollars more to buy a better rifle, equipped with an accurate sight, which was capable of the rate of fire alluded to, and finding a dupe that could shoota secret kingdom the Entity may someday fall.

....of course we know that Craig Roberts drastically underestimated the willful ignorance of Americans...

[Robthe Sunbeam]

obiwan, see what Jason just did? Do that. Show us how LHO could have done it. Explain the magic bullet. Provide data, not insults.

[truefreedomcaptain of 50]

The perps got away with it , or Robert Kennedy wouldn't been assassinated
a few years later.

Same motive in both assassinations would be my guess.

Eisenhower warned us, and he also warned JFK and Kennedy was prepared
to do something about it, and so was his brother.

[braingruntcaptain of 100]

It always baffles me when someone claims superior reason is involved when a person believes Oswald killed JFK or fires brought down the WTC; or when they believe in AGW; or believe any other official story.

In truth very little reason has to be involved to believe any particular way; people by and large have no special data which puts them in the know.

For example, I cannot claim possession of heat maps which prove that no one was in the storm drain or behind the grassy knoll. I don't have inside knowledge of shooting techniques which tells me the oswald shot would have been easy when other people tell me it would have been nigh impossible. I don't have some insider knowledge which tells me the mob loved JFK and so planned a brazen revenge against oswald. Of a truth, I can't claim that reason tells me very much about that scene at all. It's beyond me. I'm not God and don't have a 200 IQ or 12 degrees or military training or top secret clearance or blah blah, blah. Even if I did, and knew through a combination of factors 100% the truth, who could be 100% sure I'm telling the truth? If I'm so darn superior and acquainted with the events I'd have all the more ability to eloquently or convincingly lie or twist truth.

We all decide who and what to believe based on extremely imperfect knowledge. Anybody who claims otherwise is a fool.

Now, I've seen what I consider ridiculous conspiracy so absolutely conspiracy can be a mental disease IMO. But so can many other things be, including love and trust of the world which Satan has control of. What could be sicker than that?

Now, here's what I will believe, and of a truth I can't claim that even this is centered in reason: I will believe that there are secret combinations and and evil designs in our own midst; and I will believe that our situation in this regard is so awful, that as the BOM puts it, the average person is going to have to wake up to see it. These beliefs are centered in faith, and backed by circumstantial evidence. To a person who sees no conspiracy, nowhere, I say the following: you do not believe the BOM and it will turn to your condemnation. I hate to hear anti conspiracy nonsense from people who "should know better".

Meanwhile, I will be extremely open to information which implies massive conspiracy; of course I will do my best to filter this information. Somewhere the truth is to be found; if not so, the BOM would not have told us to wake up to it.

[JohnnyLcaptain of 1,000]

Once more, stick with the most imporssible first.

It's not the magic bullet, the witnesses, the confessions, the Oswald travelings, etc. (which all support, but...).

It's the shots.

Can't even now be done by the best of the best, with better training and equipment.

Unless Oswald had something special done to him...?
but then, that would be to admit to a conspiracy, again.

So the question is not IF--it's clear there was.

Unless obiwan or someone has an explanation for the shots?

[JasonI am a nobody!]

The perps got away with it , or Robert Kennedy wouldn't been assassinated
a few years later.

Same motive in both assassinations would be my guess.

Eisenhower warned us, and he also warned JFK and Kennedy was prepared
to do something about it, and so was his brother.

Eisenhower was a turd.....warning us about the very animal he helped create....how convenient. Truly was "The Politician".....lying sack of crap!

Look up Operation Keelhaul for the 4-10 million deaths he is personally responsible for.....men, women, and children....soldiers who fought along side the Americans and the British against the Nazi's.

Also note that Prescott Bush and Eisenhower were golfing buddies and set the stage for JFK on Operation Zapata.....fyi - JFK wasn't supposed to win that election.

Again I highly recommend (as did Ezra Taft Benson in a personally annotated edition to Joseph F. Smith) the book - "The Politician" by Robert Welch for insight into one of the most treasonous and treacherous presidents to reside in the oval office. Although I think the last 3 presidents have one upped him (prior to Obama - of whom not very much information is available).

[believercaptain of 100]

Does anyone know how to get a copy of "The Politition"? Thanks.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Does anyone know how to get a copy of "The Politition"? Thanks.

I got mine (old spiral bound version) off of Bonanzle for $5 which included shipping a couple years ago....
Ebay -
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=the ... m270.l1313

Amazon -
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/ ... ition=used

[JasonI am a nobody!]

"My Dad Helped the CIA Kill JFK!"
http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2011/11/ ... l-jfk.html

“My Dad Helped the CIA Kill JFK!” Part 2
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/21 ... jfk-part-2

....on an unrelated note -

The MAGIC Classification And The Intelligence Failure of Pearl Harbor
http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2011/11 ... rl-harbor/

[AGalagaChiasmuscaptain of 100]

It always baffles me when someone claims superior reason is involved when a person believes Oswald killed JFK or fires brought down the WTC; or when they believe in AGW; or believe any other official story.

In truth very little reason has to be involved to believe any particular way; people by and large have no special data which puts them in the know.

For example, I cannot claim possession of heat maps which prove that no one was in the storm drain or behind the grassy knoll. I don't have inside knowledge of shooting techniques which tells me the oswald shot would have been easy when other people tell me it would have been nigh impossible. I don't have some insider knowledge which tells me the mob loved JFK and so planned a brazen revenge against oswald. Of a truth, I can't claim that reason tells me very much about that scene at all. It's beyond me. I'm not God and don't have a 200 IQ or 12 degrees or military training or top secret clearance or blah blah, blah. Even if I did, and knew through a combination of factors 100% the truth, who could be 100% sure I'm telling the truth? If I'm so darn superior and acquainted with the events I'd have all the more ability to eloquently or convincingly lie or twist truth.

We all decide who and what to believe based on extremely imperfect knowledge. Anybody who claims otherwise is a fool.

Now, I've seen what I consider ridiculous conspiracy so absolutely conspiracy can be a mental disease IMO. But so can many other things be, including love and trust of the world which Satan has control of. What could be sicker than that?

Now, here's what I will believe, and of a truth I can't claim that even this is centered in reason: I will believe that there are secret combinations and and evil designs in our own midst; and I will believe that our situation in this regard is so awful, that as the BOM puts it, the average person is going to have to wake up to see it. These beliefs are centered in faith, and backed by circumstantial evidence. To a person who sees no conspiracy, nowhere, I say the following: you do not believe the BOM and it will turn to your condemnation. I hate to hear anti conspiracy nonsense from people who "should know better".

Meanwhile, I will be extremely open to information which implies massive conspiracy; of course I will do my best to filter this information. Somewhere the truth is to be found; if not so, the BOM would not have told us to wake up to it.

Careful, braingrut. I reckon' they don't take to intellectual honesty in these parts....

[truefreedomcaptain of 50]

Secret Service stand down order.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Secret Service stand down order.

Pretty obvious it was an inside job is it not????

[iamse7encaptain of 1,000]

No, no, no Jason. You don't understand. You see, the Secret Service guy was just tired. He threw up his arms saying, "I'm tired. I can't run anymore. What do you want from me? I'm done. Too tired." Haven't you heard of occam's razor? Gosh, you think everything is a conspiracy! /sarc

Edit: looks like I'm a captain of 1,000 now. I feel so special.

[iamse7encaptain of 1,000]

Lies, Damn Lies, And National Geographic
by Ralph Cinque

[JasonI am a nobody!]

No, no, no Jason. You don't understand. You see, the Secret Service guy was just tired. He threw up his arms saying, "I'm tired. I can't run anymore. What do you want from me? I'm done. Too tired." Haven't you heard of occam's razor? Gosh, you think everything is a conspiracy! /sarc

LOL...same with his buddy that was on the other side....

[truefreedomcaptain of 50]

Secret Service stand down order.

jfk in florida .....
We couldn't get the shot, somebody was standing in the way!

[Obiwancaptain of 100]

This is the video which proves all you nuts false.....

http://youtu.be/DSBXW1-VGmM

[moonwhimcaptain of 1,000]

This is the video which proves all you nuts false.....

http://youtu.be/DSBXW1-VGmM

Here you are name-calling again. I didn't know you are an expert on the JFK assassination to be able to determine that this video is valid.