The ships of Chittim

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NoGreaterLove
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The ships of Chittim

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The ships of Chittim were ships that carried goods to various places. The goods were known as wealthy items and good commerce. So the ship of Chittim represents the ability to do commerce and trade to become wealthy.
Daniel uses this phrase when talking about the last king or "little horn" who persecutes the saints. And Isaiah uses it as a warning to us when speaking about what happens to Tyre. Tyre is an example of what the U.S. and European nations have become in our day.


First let's look at Daniel:

Daniel 11:30

30 ¶For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

This is describing an economic downfall that the "little horn" or last ruler of the whore will experience.

Now Isaiah:

Isaiah 23:1

1The burden of Tyre. Howl, ye ships of Tarshish; for it is laid waste, so that there is no house, no entering in: from the land of Chittim it is revealed to them.

From the U.S. (land of Chittim, or land of riches) it is revealed to the European nations that the economy is tanked.

Now Ezekiel: Notice what the heading summarizes in the scriptures.

Ezekiel

Chapter 27

Ezekiel laments the fall of Tyre and the loss of her riches and commerce.

1 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
2 Now, thou son of man, take up a lamentation for Tyrus;
3 And say unto Tyrus, O thou that art situate at the entry of the sea, which art a merchant of the people for many isles, Thus saith the Lord God; O Tyrus, thou hast said, I am of perfect beauty.
4 Thy borders are in the midst of the seas, thy builders have perfected thy beauty.
5 They have made all thy ship boards of fir trees of Senir: they have taken cedars from Lebanon to make masts for thee.
6 Of the oaks of Bashan have they made thine oars; the company of the Ashurites have made thy benches of ivory, brought out of the isles of Chittim.
7 Fine linen with broidered work from Egypt was that which thou spreadest forth to be thy sail; blue and purple from the isles of Elishah was that which covered thee.
8 The inhabitants of Zidon and Arvad were thy mariners: thy wise men, O Tyrus, that were in thee, were thy pilots.
9 The ancients of Gebal and the wise men thereof were in thee thy calkers: all the ships of the sea10 They of Persia and of Lud and of Phut were in thine army, thy men of war: they hanged the shield and helmet in thee; they set forth thy comeliness.
11 The men of Arvad with thine army were upon thy walls round about, and the Gammadims were in thy towers: they hanged their shields upon thy walls round about; they have made thy beauty perfect.
12 Tarshish was thy merchant by reason of the multitude of all kind of riches; with silver, iron, tin, and lead, they traded in thy fairs.
13 Javan, Tubal, and Meshech, they were thy merchants: they traded the persons of men and vessels of brass in thy market.
14 They of the house of Togarmah traded in thy fairs with horses and horsemen and mules.
15 The men of Dedan were thy merchants; many isles were the merchandise of thine hand: they brought thee for a present horns of ivory and ebony.
16 Syria was thy merchant by reason of the multitude of the wares of thy making: they occupied in thy fairs with emeralds, purple, and broidered work, and fine linen, and coral, and agate.
17 Judah, and the land of Israel, they were thy merchants: they traded in thy market wheat of Minnith, and Pannag, and honey, and oil, and balm.
18 Damascus was thy merchant in the multitude of the wares of thy making, for the multitude of all riches; in the wine of Helbon, and white wool.
19 Dan also and Javan going to and fro occupied in thy fairs: bright iron, cassia, and calamus, were in thy market.
with their mariners were in thee to occupy thy merchandise.
20 Dedan was thy merchant in precious clothes for chariots.
21 Arabia, and all the princes of Kedar, they occupied with thee in lambs, and rams, and goats: in these were they thy merchants.
22 The merchants of Sheba and Raamah, they were thy merchants: they occupied in thy fairs with chief of all spices, and with all precious stones, and gold.
23 Haran, and Canneh, and Eden, the merchants of Sheba, Asshur, and Chilmad, were thy merchants.
24 These were thy merchants in all sorts of things, in blue clothes, and broidered work, and in chests of rich apparel, bound with cords, and made of cedar, among thy merchandise.
25 The ships of Tarshish did sing of thee in thy market: and thou wast replenished, and made very glorious in the midst of the seas.
26 ¶Thy rowers have brought thee into great waters: the east wind hath broken thee in the midst of the seas.
27 Thy riches, and thy fairs, thy merchandise, thy mariners, and thy pilots, thy calkers, and the occupiers of thy merchandise, and all thy men of war, that are in thee, and in all thy company which is in the midst of thee, shall fall into the midst of the seas in the day of thy ruin.
28 The suburbs shall shake at the sound of the cry of thy pilots.
29 And all that handle the oar, the mariners, and all the pilots of the sea, shall come down from their ships, they shall stand upon the land;
30 And shall cause their voice to be heard against thee, and shall cry bitterly, and shall cast up dust upon their heads, they shall wallow themselves in the ashes:
31 And they shall make themselves utterly bald for thee, and gird them with sackcloth, and they shall weep for thee with bitterness of heart and bitter wailing.
32 And in their wailing they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and lament over thee, saying, What city is like Tyrus, like the destroyed in the midst of the sea?
33 When thy wares went forth out of the seas, thou filledst many people; thou didst enrich the kings of the earth with the multitude of thy riches and of thy merchandise.
34 In the time when thou shalt be broken by the seas in the depths of the waters thy merchandise and all thy company in the midst of thee shall fall.
35 All the inhabitants of the isles shall be astonished at thee, and their kings shall be sore afraid, they shall be troubled in their countenance.
36 The merchants among the people shall hiss at thee; thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt be any more.


So Daniel is predicting the economic collapse of the U.S and European allies.

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Re: The ships of Chittim

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3 Nephi 20:20

And it shall come to pass, saith the Father, that the sword of my justice shall hang over them at that day; and except they repent it shall fall upon them, saith the Father, yea, even upon all the nations of the Gentiles.

Since the Gentiles are the nations of Europe and nations with European ancestry, particularly the US, then this verse is saying that the US and Europe go down together, just like Daniel predicted.

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Is this because of my question of what will happen to those in Europe?

After your reply in my thread about the ships of Chittim and looking up wikipedia for Dan 11, and also Chittim, I come to the conclusion it must indeed be referring to the european-Mediterranean countries.

Also, about George A. Smith's account: “the president at that time would be of Greek extraction. Until then all the presidents would be of British or northern European ancestry”.
Maybe it wasn't the president that was of greek extraction, but it (the report) got mixed up that that president (the little horn) will be grieved by the Greek.

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SuHwak wrote:Is this because of my question of what will happen to those in Europe?

After your reply in my thread about the ships of Chittim and looking up wikipedia for Dan 11, and also Chittim, I come to the conclusion it must indeed be referring to the european-Mediterranean countries.

Also, about George A. Smith's account: “the president at that time would be of Greek extraction. Until then all the presidents would be of British or northern European ancestry”.
Maybe it wasn't the president that was of greek extraction, but it (the report) got mixed up that that president (the little horn) will be grieved by the Greek.
Yes, your question is what prompted this response. Basically European nations and the U.S. are all prophesied of together for the most part. We are the Gentile nations and have rejected the Gospel therefore we wil receive of the cursing promised in the D&C and the BoM.

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